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Friday, July 13th Daily Discussion
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Liz<3Days
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peaches179
Jul 13 2012, 08:56 AM
Liz<3Days
Jul 13 2012, 08:31 AM
Now I know why Lucas was brought back, to tell us that EJ and Sami have feelings for each other. Same shit for YEARS. EJs not IN love with Sami...Sami is not IN love with EJ. Chalk this round of EJ and Sami as unforgettable...like all the other years. What a waste of screen time.

Next week he'll be in love with Nicole.
I think we have to wait until the Olympics break for that! ;)
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peaches179
Jul 13 2012, 08:56 AM
Liz<3Days
Jul 13 2012, 08:31 AM
Now I know why Lucas was brought back, to tell us that EJ and Sami have feelings for each other. Same shit for YEARS. EJs not IN love with Sami...Sami is not IN love with EJ. Chalk this round of EJ and Sami as unforgettable...like all the other years. What a waste of screen time.

Next week he'll be in love with Nicole.
I don't know...

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Wednesday July 18:
EJ and Sami find themselves alone with an abundance of sexual tension in the air.
Sami believes EJ is not guilty.

Thursday July 19:
EJ is surprised when Sami shows him an idea she hopes that can clear him.
EJ takes Sami's help as a sign of what is between them.
Sami's overwhelmed by desire when EJ pulls her to him.

Friday July 20:
EJ and Sami bond as they find something on video footage that could clear EJ.


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[Sami]'s won over to his side and soon comes up with a way she hopes can clear him. She suggests there must be surveillance footage of him throwing away the gloves and someone else grabbing them. He seems more interested in the fact that she's obsessing over this. EJ suggests that she wants to do a lot more than help him. They get close to proving that but he pulls away at the last minute. She throws all of her energy into his case and soon unearths the surveillance footage.


He seems pre-occupied with Sami right now and with the way things are progressing...but who knows, maybe things will change post Olympic break. I highly doubt it, but you never know.
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Liz<3Days
Jul 13 2012, 09:05 AM
peaches179
Jul 13 2012, 08:56 AM
Liz<3Days
Jul 13 2012, 08:31 AM
Now I know why Lucas was brought back, to tell us that EJ and Sami have feelings for each other. Same shit for YEARS. EJs not IN love with Sami...Sami is not IN love with EJ. Chalk this round of EJ and Sami as unforgettable...like all the other years. What a waste of screen time.

Next week he'll be in love with Nicole.
I think we have to wait until the Olympics break for that! ;)
whoops, didn't see your post. I got ahead of myself replying to a post.
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LucasHortonFan
Please write 4 Bryan Dattilo, Give him a love interest.

I am watching today only for Lucas. Ej and Sami get my throw up award for worst non couple followed by Dancole. Ewww to both!
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peaches179
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Liz<3Days
Jul 13 2012, 09:05 AM
peaches179
Jul 13 2012, 08:56 AM
Liz<3Days
Jul 13 2012, 08:31 AM
Now I know why Lucas was brought back, to tell us that EJ and Sami have feelings for each other. Same shit for YEARS. EJs not IN love with Sami...Sami is not IN love with EJ. Chalk this round of EJ and Sami as unforgettable...like all the other years. What a waste of screen time.

Next week he'll be in love with Nicole.
I think we have to wait until the Olympics break for that! ;)

LOL. That's probably true. But I could really care less who he ends up being with. The point I was trying to make is that they change partners on this show like they change underwear. So, you never know who'll be hooked up with who next week.
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I can't belive how bad this show is right now.
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peaches179
Jul 13 2012, 10:00 AM
Liz<3Days
Jul 13 2012, 09:05 AM
peaches179
Jul 13 2012, 08:56 AM
Liz<3Days
Jul 13 2012, 08:31 AM
Now I know why Lucas was brought back, to tell us that EJ and Sami have feelings for each other. Same shit for YEARS. EJs not IN love with Sami...Sami is not IN love with EJ. Chalk this round of EJ and Sami as unforgettable...like all the other years. What a waste of screen time.

Next week he'll be in love with Nicole.
I think we have to wait until the Olympics break for that! ;)

LOL. That's probably true. But I could really care less who he ends up being with. The point I was trying to make is that they change partners on this show like they change underwear. So, you never know who'll be hooked up with who next week.
I got your point...and I agree that its interchangeable...I was trying to make a joke because its better then ranting about the writing... :)
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Liz<3Days
Jul 13 2012, 10:10 AM
peaches179
Jul 13 2012, 10:00 AM
Liz<3Days
Jul 13 2012, 09:05 AM
peaches179
Jul 13 2012, 08:56 AM

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I think we have to wait until the Olympics break for that! ;)

LOL. That's probably true. But I could really care less who he ends up being with. The point I was trying to make is that they change partners on this show like they change underwear. So, you never know who'll be hooked up with who next week.
I got your point...and I agree that its interchangeable...I was trying to make a joke because its better then ranting about the writing... :)

QFT!! :rockon:
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I think the show is more entertaining than its been in a long time. I don't have a clue about how the stories are going to play out, and I'm okay with that. I don't need to FF anything, not even the Mel/Gabi/Chad stuff, and I have even caught myself looking forward to the show!

That's a marked improvement from last year for me.
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Me too, Gail. All the storylines are picking up pace and promising a bit of good, soapy payoff.
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LucasHortonFan
Please write 4 Bryan Dattilo, Give him a love interest.

I love these previews, now I know exactly what nonsense I can skip with Ej and Sami and what a pity, I'll miss all those sponsor ads. Stupid move Days!
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gailwinters
Jul 13 2012, 08:08 AM
rpmaluki
Jul 13 2012, 01:13 AM
Two weeks left of this writing then 'reset'! Tomlin has more grasp on the characters on screen, if they are going to be written in charcter, what happen between now and the Olympics is more than likely to change. we have had several actors allude this on separate occasions, what ever mardar planned will be discarded and only s/ls more in tune with TomSell will survive beyond the break. This cliffhanger will make so many characters realise life is too short to waste and the 30s age bracket needs this epiphany so desperately. The audience want charcters they recognise, that's why they tune in. When Lucas/EJ/Nicole/Sami/Rafe/Brady/Carrie/Austin and even Philip/Chloe/Stephanie, among others, act outside of their character's perimetres without any build up to speak of the audience doesn't invest and therefore viewers drop like flies.
IMO, most of the characters are being written well within their wheelhouse right now. Nicole has a long history of behaving exactly like she is right now with Daniel. Lucas has many years of shouting to get his point across, as opposed to the one month of more maturity that he displayed when he first returned, and once again, he's stuck in a tussle with EJ. Sami has been drawn to EJ since he came on the show. EJ has spent much more time being drawn to Sami than being "in love" with someone else. Rafe has regained the sanctimonious smug attitude that he lost for a couple of months. Brady hasn't been on enough to have a real story, but he seems completely in character to me. Carrie and Austi are completely in character: Carrie was always subject to falling for another guy, and Austin was always subject to being played for a fool.



Well, these in character/out of character debates could go on forever, and sometimes what is in character or out of character is eye of beholder stuff, how well someone knows a character, what traits they feel are more true to that character, etc.

What Nicole is doing now and how in character that is, I don't know - I don't know enough the history of her character to know what is consistent or not. All I know is I really, really like her, and I don't like what is happening with her and Dan right now.

You are right that Carrie is not being written out of character, in that she is a cheater, is often torn between men, and has played Austin before. But this storyline is so boring right now that I don't care. At least her feelings for Mike, that was a better written story where I remember believing it, and feeling conflicted as to whether I wanted her with Mike or Austin (I was a biitttt of a Caustin fan in the 90s....I was young). Even though yes technically it's in character for Carrie to have cheating tendencies, it's like the writers just led with that, and just threw Rafe into the guy role in that storyline. And that is why that had no build up.

Austin is a fool and a doofus. But no incarnation of Austin I ever knew would be scrapbooking to get his woman back. After all they went thru to be together, this version of Austin seems especially neutered, in order to make the Cafe story stick even in its smallest measurement. I have liked PM's performances, but I think even he has said he was surprised by Austin's reaction thru this whole s/l. So that characterization has been disappointing too.

It seems Rafe is being portrayed as either a smug asshole cop, or making puppy dog faces at Carrie. Like him or not, think that he is pretty much a smug asshole or not, that seems to be a pretty one, one and half dimensional portrayal as well. That is annoying.

And now for Lucas. What gets me about his portrayal lately, and this episode in particular, is that these behaviors are NOT totally OOC for Lucas. Which is why it might stick for some. He is jealous, especially around EJ. He is insecure, prob since teenagedom. He has lost Sami to EJ before, so he prob feels esp possessive of his family around this perceived threat in EJ. I get all of it. Except for that Lucas is running off memories of what EJ is done, and prob what EJ is still capable of doing. I think he has a point, don't blame him. But what this set up enables to happen is for new audiences who would have no clue or evidence of that history, of those parts of EJ's character, to not know what Lucas is talking about, and just think he is the idiot and the baddie. And even old audiences will prob admit that Lucas's concerns are a bit of an overreaction based on what EJ has done or not done recently, a bit pre-emptive. So it's like, let's take everything that is negative about this character, blow it up 11-fold and condense it into five minutes, to make it even more pronounced. Let's have him react to the history of a character, rather than to something that character has concretely done in the past few days. Makes Lucas look like nothing but a possessive fool, with no grounds or reason for what he is saying, and EJ the victim or receiving end of Lucas's outta nowhere censure. That is annoying. It's like taking this character, distilling him down to his worst qualities, then magnifying those qualities, and constructing a context where he is the bad guy, and the bad guy he thinks is a bad guy is being shown as the opposite as a bad guy. That is why that whole confrontation felt very one-sided to me (for ex, the discussion about piss-poor parenting. And make it look like EJ has a stake in all of Sami's children - still can't get over that throw-away he cares about Allie line - and have Lucas very pointedly mention HIS family Will, Allie Sami. That seems just the teeniest bit suspicious).

And on top of that, if the whole point was to put Ejami together, why bring Lucas into this? If the point was to crap on Lucas, that would be one thing. But if EJami was the intended result, why bother involving Lucas?! It's the same thing as "smearing" EJ's character to prop Safe. That was annoying to some. So this is annoying to me for the same reason. And because I really, really love Lucas (and Lumi, but more so Lucas at the moment), I find this portrayal, these particular decisions, especially insulting. It really just comes down to that. Characters before Lucas have been the victims of poor devicey writing, and character after him will be too. But right now it's happening with seemingly great deliberate effort to Lucas, and that upsets me to no end.
Edited by elci525, Jul 13 2012, 10:54 AM.
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Well, this is not in character for Nicole. Would Nicole use sex? YES. Would she endanger the life of her baby and have total disregard about her high risk pregnancy? NO.

Although some traits are in line with characters...MarDar would clearly run over any recognizable trait in order to pimp whatever they wanted to pimp for 3 months....this hold especially true of the current airhogs- Sami, EJ and Will.
Edited by Liz<3Days, Jul 13 2012, 10:50 AM.
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elci525
Jul 13 2012, 10:42 AM
gailwinters
Jul 13 2012, 08:08 AM
rpmaluki
Jul 13 2012, 01:13 AM
Two weeks left of this writing then 'reset'! Tomlin has more grasp on the characters on screen, if they are going to be written in charcter, what happen between now and the Olympics is more than likely to change. we have had several actors allude this on separate occasions, what ever mardar planned will be discarded and only s/ls more in tune with TomSell will survive beyond the break. This cliffhanger will make so many characters realise life is too short to waste and the 30s age bracket needs this epiphany so desperately. The audience want charcters they recognise, that's why they tune in. When Lucas/EJ/Nicole/Sami/Rafe/Brady/Carrie/Austin and even Philip/Chloe/Stephanie, among others, act outside of their character's perimetres without any build up to speak of the audience doesn't invest and therefore viewers drop like flies.
IMO, most of the characters are being written well within their wheelhouse right now. Nicole has a long history of behaving exactly like she is right now with Daniel. Lucas has many years of shouting to get his point across, as opposed to the one month of more maturity that he displayed when he first returned, and once again, he's stuck in a tussle with EJ. Sami has been drawn to EJ since he came on the show. EJ has spent much more time being drawn to Sami than being "in love" with someone else. Rafe has regained the sanctimonious smug attitude that he lost for a couple of months. Brady hasn't been on enough to have a real story, but he seems completely in character to me. Carrie and Austi are completely in character: Carrie was always subject to falling for another guy, and Austin was always subject to being played for a fool.



Well, these in character/out of character debates could go on forever, and sometimes what is in character or out of character is eye of beholder stuff, how well someone knows a character, what traits they feel are more true to that character, etc.

What Nicole is doing now and how in character that is, I don't know - I don't know enough the history of her character to know what is consistent or not. All I know is I really, really like her, and I don't like what is happening with her and Dan right now.

You are right that Carrie is not being written out of character, in that she is a cheater, is often torn between men, and has played Austin before. But this storyline is so boring right now that I don't care. At least her feelings for Mike, that was a better written story where I remember believing it, and feeling conflicted as to whether I wanted her with Mike or Austin (I was a biitttt of a Caustin fan in the 90s....I was young). Even though yes technically it's in character for Carrie to have cheating tendencies, it's like the writers just led with that, and just threw Rafe into the guy role in that storyline. And that is why that had no build up.

Austin is a fool and a doofus. But no incarnation of Austin I ever knew would be scrapbooking to get his woman back. After all they went thru to be together, this version of Austin seems especially neutered, in order to make the Cafe story stick even in its smallest measurement. I have liked PM's performances, but I think even he has said he was surprised by Austin's reaction thru this whole s/l. So that characterization has been disappointing too.

It seems Rafe is being portrayed as either a smug asshole cop, or making puppy dog faces at Carrie. Like him or not, think that he is pretty much a smug asshole or not, that seems to be a pretty one, one and half dimensional portrayal as well. That is annoying.

And now for Lucas. What gets me about his portrayal lately, and this episode in particular, is that these behaviors are NOT totally OOC for Lucas. Which is why it might stick for some. He is jealous, especially around EJ. He is insecure, prob since teenagedom. He has lost Sami to EJ before, so he prob feels esp possessive of his family around this perceived threat in EJ. I get all of it. Except for that Lucas is running of memories of what EJ is done, and prob what EJ is still capable of doing. But new audiences would have no clue of that, and even old audiences will prob admit that Lucas's concerns are a bit of an overreaction bases on what EJ has done or not done, a bit pre-emptive. So it's like, let's take everything that is negative about this character, blow it up 11-fold and condense it into five minutes, to make it even more pronounced. Let's have him react to the history of a character, rather than to something that character has concretely done in the past few days. Makes Lucas look like nothing but a possessive fool, with no grounds or reason for what he is saying, and EJ the victim or receiving end of Lucas's outta nowhere censure. That is annoying. It's like taking this character, distilling him down to his worst qualities, then magnifying those qualities, and constructing a context where he is the bad guy, and the bad guy he thinks is a bad guy is being shown as the opposite as a bad guy. That is why that whole confrontation felt very one-sided to me (for ex, the discussion about piss-poor parenting).

And on top of that, if the whole point was to put Ejami together, why bring Lucas into this? It's the same thing as "smearing" EJ's character to prop Safe. That was annoying to some. So this is annoying to me for the same reason. And because I really, really love Lucas (and Lumi, but more so Lucas at the moment), I find this portrayal, these particular decisions, especially insulting. It really just comes down to that. Character before Lucas have been the victims of poor devicey writing, and character after him will too. But right now it's happening with seemingly great deliberate effort to Lucas, and that upsets me to no end.
I hope they cast Autumn for Lucas he deserves better than being saddled with dumbass Sami who wants everyone on a string. TomSell have alot of work to do with her character before I want her with anyone ever again. As to the way Rafe is acting right now is completely OOC but hopefully he can be turned around too. Everyone was damaged by MarDars poison pen or in the process of being. I am just happy that all the actors seem really happy about the newest writing and so that gives me hope but I will believe it when I see it. As MarDars being over hyped left a bad taste in my mouth after their sls really started to take shape.
Edited by Helpless Romantic, Jul 13 2012, 10:57 AM.
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If EJ/Sami is not your thing this show is not for you right now. I know it's not for me.
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Tara
Jul 13 2012, 10:51 AM
If EJ/Sami is not your thing this show is not for you right now. I know it's not for me.
I feel EXACTLY the same way! Heres to better DAYS ahead! :cheers:
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Liz<3Days
Jul 13 2012, 10:49 AM
Well, this is not in character for Nicole. Would Nicole use sex? YES. Would she endanger the life of her baby and have total disregard about her high risk pregnancy? NO.

Although some traits are in line with characters...MarDar would clearly run over any recognizable trait in order to pimp whatever they wanted to pimp for 3 months....this hold especially true of the current airhogs- Sami, EJ and Will.
I'm not sure we are supposed to believe that having sex endangers the life of Nicole's baby. She and Daniel have had conversations about her high risk pregnancy, but refraining from sex wasn't discussed. I must say that I think Nicole is very capable of using her pregnancy to gain the upper hand. It doesn't mean she doesn't want this baby with every fiber of her being, but Nicole was always willing to do whatever she had to to get what she wants.

I would argue that we saw as much character assassination under DH as we've seen under MarDar, and that some of those characters are now being restored.
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Jul 12 2012, 11:15 PM
Sami will never say those three little words not to EJ or any one dumb enough to listen. EJ is just too beneath her but sexy enough to roll around with, just not worth an actual grown up mature relationship. It's been SEVEN BLOODY LONG YEARS!!!

Let it go already!
Oh, she'll say them now. Haven't you heard...its full speed ahead with Ejami. Everyone else has been slutted out, castrated, removed, etc. just so she will be able to say those words to EJ. :soapbox:
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Again, I don't understand this idea that if one storyline doesn't go your way, the whole show must suck.

I never liked Nicole with EJ, but it's not like I boycotted the show when they were together. I even watched their scenes, even though it broke my heart to see Nicole happy enough to be the woman EJ setteled for instead of choosing to be someone's first choice, like she had been with Eric and Brady.

The boycotting because you don't get your couple just seems weird to me. Boo hoo, you don't get them now. Well, maybe you will down the road; that is the way soaps go.
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And that's fine - but if a fan doesn't want to support a show b/c of one storyline or several, that's fine too. If it broke your heart to watch another couple, but you still watched, that was your choice. I've been there too, watching the show even though I couldn't stomach what was happening. But if someone else doesn't want to, I don't get what this boo hoo nonsense is. It's a choice; it's valid. Hopefully this storyline will change =/ But if until it does someone doesn't want to waste their time with it, don't see how that is wrong. Weird? Well, I dunno - I don't think so. I wouldn't object to someone doing that in response to a couple or storyline I loved. Which has happened. Whatever floats someone's boat. I guess I am just not as big of a fan of the show than I can overlook a storyline that is so loathsome to me.
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