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Friday, July 13th Daily Discussion
Topic Started: Jul 12 2012, 01:18 PM (10,886 Views)
brazen
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It's a soap, couples come couples go. It could be one couple now but they won't be together forever and they'll be another version of a pairing a few months after. Packing up your toys and refusing to play because the couple you want isn't on right now does not make sense.

It's a soap.
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I cant believe im saying this but i am impressed with todays episode. Havent been in a long time.
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elci525
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Why does that matter? What doesn't make sense?

Yeah it's a soap. I understand how soaps work.

It's also a show. And if people don't want to watch it for whatever reason, this one or these three or these 18 storylines are boring, or silly, or annoying, or insulting, or not perceived as worth someone's time, that is fine. And it's not childish, if that is what your "pack up toys" is meant to suggest. It's a legit fan reaction.

That would go with any form of entertainment anywhere.

If the show isn't interesting to me, I won't watch. Simple as that. And knowing it's a soap, I will indeed bide my time until the tides change.
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I refuse to even start to read 10 pages of fanwank.

I was honestly hopening EJ's answer to "Who do you love?" (of course, I kept hearing Kojak going "Who loves ya, baby?" in my head) was going to be "William".

No, Sami, you are most definitely NOT a prize.

So Chad had flashbacks to him and Melanie. With him having shorter hair. Which is didn't get cut until AFTER she disappeared. mmkay. And Melanie had a fantasy about Chad coming to rescue her. With shorter hair. mmmkay Did you plan this thing out much? Didn't think so.

In that picture of Melanie, all I could see was teeth, gums, and hair. Pretty accurate description, IMO.

I would no be opposed to EJ, Sami, & Lucas all shooting each other in a daisy chain.

I would also like TPTB to fucking pick a solid story direction for these characters because it changes from day to day. Sami hates EJ. Sami is soft to EJ. EJ is soft to Sami. EJ hates Sami. EJ loves Nicole. EJ thinks Nicole is a whore. Nicole is soft to EJ. Nicole wants Daniel. Nicole has feelings for Rafe. PICK. A. FUCKING. DIRECTION. This is not "character depth". It's inconsistant storytelling drowning in WTFery.

When I wear gloves to shoot someone, I plan on holding on to them and taping them to the back of a painting. Isn't that what any logical person would do?

Seriously. This show lately has me really looking forward to the Olympics.
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elci525
Jul 13 2012, 12:47 PM
And that's fine - but if a fan doesn't want to support a show b/c of one storyline or several, that's fine too. If it broke your heart to watch another couple, but you still watched, that was your choice. I've been there too, watching the show even though I couldn't stomach what was happening. But if someone else doesn't want to, I don't get what this boo hoo nonsense is. It's a choice; it's valid. Hopefully this storyline will change =/ But if until it does someone doesn't want to waste their time with it, don't see how that is wrong. Weird? Well, I dunno - I don't think so. I wouldn't object to someone doing that in response to a couple or storyline I loved. Which has happened. Whatever floats someone's boat. I guess I am just not as big of a fan of the show than I can overlook a storyline that is so loathsome to me.
I actually agree with this. No one should feel obligated to watch any soap opera. If a person doesn't like what he/she is seeing, I say, tune out. I've done it several times with a bunch of soaps. Eventually, I returned. I did it with Days a few years ago and only recently started watching again. The break did me good and I am watching the show with fresh eyes and no expectations. Just going with the flow. I think one thing that has changed with me after my break from Days is now my reasons for tuning out from any show have more to do with boredom than pure misery. If a show starts putting me to sleep, I am out.
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For the record the reason I'm not watching isn't because my couple isn't together, its because they threw several characters and pairings I cared about under the bus to make one pairing work. When you have to go to that much trouble, its not worth it. :shame:
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Helpless Romantic


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Jul 13 2012, 12:42 PM
Again, I don't understand this idea that if one storyline doesn't go your way, the whole show must suck.

I never liked Nicole with EJ, but it's not like I boycotted the show when they were together. I even watched their scenes, even though it broke my heart to see Nicole happy enough to be the woman EJ setteled for instead of choosing to be someone's first choice, like she had been with Eric and Brady.

The boycotting because you don't get your couple just seems weird to me. Boo hoo, you don't get them now. Well, maybe you will down the road; that is the way soaps go.
For me MarDars whole package SUCKED! It has nothing to do with which couples I like but the non sensical garbage I am supposed to swollow because everyone is behaving like nitwits who are dogs in heat panting after someone else. I want orgy of our lives to END! :puke:
Edited by Helpless Romantic, Jul 13 2012, 01:16 PM.
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michelle
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Matt
Jul 13 2012, 01:09 PM
So Chad had flashbacks to him and Melanie. With him having shorter hair. Which is didn't get cut until AFTER she disappeared. mmkay. And Melanie had a fantasy about Chad coming to rescue her. With shorter hair. mmmkay Did you plan this thing out much? Didn't think so.

In that picture of Melanie, all I could see was teeth, gums, and hair. Pretty accurate description, IMO.


When I wear gloves to shoot someone, I plan on holding on to them and taping them to the back of a painting. Isn't that what any logical person would do?

These three things, have me laughing my booty off.

Love you Matt, despite your abhorrence to fanwanking. (some of us can't help it)
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Matt
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I am long past carrying who wins the fairest Sami's glittering vajayjay. She can have a gaggle of Brother Husbands for all I care. It's really barely more than a gag gift, anyway.
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I thought today was good. Even though I wish Gabi would get hit by a bus. I thought the Chelanie flashbacks were really sweet. JMHO.
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LucasHortonFan
Please write 4 Bryan Dattilo, Give him a love interest.

I can watch or not watch when I want to and for who I want to. If I want to watch bc I like Lucas and Sami and Jarlena and Lucas and Will, then I will watch. But if I don't want to watch bc of the Melanie crap or the Ejami crap or the Dancole crap then I don't have to. Its my choice as a viewer to watch when I want to and for whom I want to. If I want to watch for Ej and Nicole then I will. Its really that simple. I watch for who and when I want to and no one is ever going to change my mind on that. And I can also use the ff key when I want to. My choice as the viewer.
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Lucas's shouting today was worse than described. They had BD play that way too over the top. It just gave me a head ache and made all 3 of them want to go away.

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brazen
Jul 13 2012, 01:35 PM
Lucas's shouting today was worse than described. They had BD play that way too over the top. It just gave me a head ache and made all 3 of them want to go away.

I wish he would shout himself to death.

Can you die from that? I hope you can.
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elci525
Jul 12 2012, 04:17 PM
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Jul 12 2012, 04:01 PM
elci525
Jul 12 2012, 03:39 PM
I don't think it's that it's just a competition to Lucas....he HAS lost Sami to EJ before. The whole fucked up vendetta nonsense and wedding. He has been at this place before. So yeah he's overprotective. Yeah he might be hotheaded about this. And I think he is a little competitive with EJ of all people, sure. But it doesn't take away from his love for Sami. He doesn't just want to be with her so that EJ can't be allowed to have her or be with her. I don't believe that for a second.

And I don't think Lucas doesn't care for Johnny and Sydney too. But this whole confrontation bull-crap seems to be about drawing lines in the sand. Moron writers.

Look, the epi tomorrow sounds terrible for Lucas. He sounds jealous and insecure and overprotective. All those feelings are understandable to me, and they are his lesser qualities (these people are flawed), but it doesn't sound like something I want to watch. I think it's all so ridiculous and insulting. EJ has done terrible things to Sami's children for her not to want him near the kids. Even if EJ gave Sami full custody, it's like they are forgetting about some of the Sydnapping stuff, or his chloroforming her (for a second time, I think) so he could run off with Johnny and Sydney. That's convenient. I realize it happened in the past, but it wasn't that long ago that Lucas doesn't have some point. But none of that gets considered.

It just all sounds like such utter, fucktastic garbage.
Lucas overreacting is understandable, IMO, but the character needs a story of his own, not just reacting to EJami 24/7. As for Sami being willing to forgive all that EJ's done to her? She shot him in the head for pete's sake. If EJ can let bygones be bygones, it shouldn't be a problem for her. :P
I don't disagree Lucas needs a story other than to react to Ejami all the time. Please. The character and actor are so much better than that. So I don't disagree and I don't think I suggested that I wanted Lucas to be doing this 24/7. I couldn't think of a s/l less worth that character's time.

I am not bringing up EJ's past to get in another Sami forgives him so it's ok debate. That's fine. It's fine if Sami forgives him. I wasn't putting Sami's willingness to forgive in question. That has nothing to do with what I meant to say, which is that from the day ahead it sounds like Lucas's claim that EJ is a questionable parent are utterly dismissed, when he has shown he is. He can love his children to the ends of the earth, but he has endangered them too. So for EJ to able to say to Lucas, you are a crap parent b/c you moved to Hong Kong, but for no specifics of what EJ has done to be mentioned....it's just annoying. And seems one-sided. That's all I was saying - that Lucas has some point, but the show doesn't seem interested in saying that.

And I am not saying Lucas is completely right either, just in case people think I mean that. I don't.
I agree that Lucas's concern for Will is well-founded, and earlier I wasn't finding his reactions as Will's father to be ridiculously over the top. Today's dialogue and Bryan's take on it did the character no favors. Yes, I like EJami, but that doesn't preclude me from wanting other Salemites to have a decent story and an understandable POV. I know I hated spending the last few years watching my favorites repeatedly run over by a Big Mack, and I really don't need to see the same done to others, except possibly Rafe. :wave:
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Jul 13 2012, 12:42 PM
Again, I don't understand this idea that if one storyline doesn't go your way, the whole show must suck.

I never liked Nicole with EJ, but it's not like I boycotted the show when they were together. I even watched their scenes, even though it broke my heart to see Nicole happy enough to be the woman EJ setteled for instead of choosing to be someone's first choice, like she had been with Eric and Brady.

The boycotting because you don't get your couple just seems weird to me. Boo hoo, you don't get them now. Well, maybe you will down the road; that is the way soaps go.
Speaking only for me. I don't watch whenever there is a heavy Sami day. I hate that character like I have never hated a character in my entire life. And I am not young. I don't want to see her with EJ, Marlena, Will, Lucas, etc. I have only watched DOOL the last several years strictly to ogle James/EJ. When he is with Sami I can't even do that because I can't stand Sami. Her shooting the pretty in the head was the last straw for me (and yes I know it is fiction). She can never be redeemed to the point that I will support her character again. Even if they write her saving EJ's life (which I'm sure they will do soon). But the good new is Days is my only soap, so I'm almost weaned from a long addiction.
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Jul 13 2012, 01:09 PM
I would also like TPTB to fucking pick a solid story direction for these characters because it changes from day to day. Sami hates EJ. Sami is soft to EJ. EJ is soft to Sami. EJ hates Sami. EJ loves Nicole. EJ thinks Nicole is a whore. Nicole is soft to EJ. Nicole wants Daniel. Nicole has feelings for Rafe. PICK. A. FUCKING. DIRECTION. This is not "character depth". It's inconsistant storytelling drowning in WTFery.

You forgot Rafe loving Sami and then Carrie 3 hours later. Sami loving Rafe and then deciding she loves Lucas while taking a dump. And of course Brady may make a reappearance as the one Nicole really wants, but probably not because the next soon to be hired and then fired love of Brady's life might be coming along.
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Jul 13 2012, 01:14 PM
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Jul 13 2012, 12:42 PM
Again, I don't understand this idea that if one storyline doesn't go your way, the whole show must suck.

I never liked Nicole with EJ, but it's not like I boycotted the show when they were together. I even watched their scenes, even though it broke my heart to see Nicole happy enough to be the woman EJ setteled for instead of choosing to be someone's first choice, like she had been with Eric and Brady.

The boycotting because you don't get your couple just seems weird to me. Boo hoo, you don't get them now. Well, maybe you will down the road; that is the way soaps go.
For me MarDars whole package SUCKED! It has nothing to do with which couples I like but the non sensical garbage I am supposed to swollow because everyone is behaving like nitwits who are dogs in heat panting after someone else. I want orgy of our lives to END! :puke:
I would agree with a lot of this. I've just gotten a sense from some comments here that some are tuning out because they're not getting their one dream pairing, and I just find that rather odd.

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LucasHortonFan
Please write 4 Bryan Dattilo, Give him a love interest.

Folks can tune in or out for whatever reasons Folks want and as for not getting our pairing, FOLKS already now there are Lumi scenes after the break. As for being odd, guess I'll be odd then if I refuse to watch a non couple or two I don't like. I don't have to follow the hoard. I'll like whom I wanna like and thats all there is to it. I'll take Lucas's shouting to Ej's raping and Sydnapping any day as well as to Sami and Will both shooting Ej.
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Edited by elci525, Jul 13 2012, 04:06 PM.
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EJamandBread
Jul 13 2012, 03:36 PM
Helpless Romantic
Jul 13 2012, 01:14 PM
EJamandBread
Jul 13 2012, 12:42 PM
Again, I don't understand this idea that if one storyline doesn't go your way, the whole show must suck.

I never liked Nicole with EJ, but it's not like I boycotted the show when they were together. I even watched their scenes, even though it broke my heart to see Nicole happy enough to be the woman EJ setteled for instead of choosing to be someone's first choice, like she had been with Eric and Brady.

The boycotting because you don't get your couple just seems weird to me. Boo hoo, you don't get them now. Well, maybe you will down the road; that is the way soaps go.
For me MarDars whole package SUCKED! It has nothing to do with which couples I like but the non sensical garbage I am supposed to swollow because everyone is behaving like nitwits who are dogs in heat panting after someone else. I want orgy of our lives to END! :puke:
I would agree with a lot of this. I've just gotten a sense from some comments here that some are tuning out because they're not getting their one dream pairing, and I just find that rather odd.

For me personally, it is not just that I am not getting Lumi. That is sad, but that isn't the worst of it. I don't really want to watch Ejami in any capacity, but I might be able to stomach it. It's what is being done to other beloved characters in order to pursue the Ejami s/line. And like I have said, if Ejami was the end result, I am not sure why Lucas was needed in any of this. They could have spared me this. And I realize that this behavior is not completely OOC for Lucas...but to see it to this extent, to this degree, when he was written a bit differently before getting involved with Sami again, even more recently than that, before all this very Ejami heavy writing....that is uberly annoying, frustrating and downright upsetting. I realize this is not the first time characters have been destroyed or portrayed unflatteringly in some way in order to support a certain storyline direction. Nor do I think it will be the last. But, be that as it may, I don't want to watch it. I don't want memories of things I hold dear to be sullied. Is it because I am an obsessive shipper? Probably. But if this is what the show wants to do, the show holds very little interest for me. And I am entitled to decide I don't any part of it - I don't think that's odd.
Edited by elci525, Jul 13 2012, 04:17 PM.
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