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Lucas learns the truth about EJ; Airs week of July 16th
Topic Started: Jul 12 2012, 02:51 PM (8,911 Views)
LuvingLumi
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Come on Ron, We are counting on YOU !!

MericP
Jul 12 2012, 06:39 PM
LucasHortonFan
Jul 12 2012, 03:44 PM
Stupid fracking Will! Lucas is the one who deserves your loyalty, not stinkin Ej! Stupid fracking writers!
I do think Will is giving his dad the shaft.

But then again EJ's given Will all these perks.

There's enough Will to go around; I think he has room for both men in his life, if he chooses to do so. :)
Will seems to not even realize that at the end HE is the reason why his parents are really not together. He doesn't seem to care what his father sacrificed and was willing to sacrifice to protect his butt, he's all up in Ej's to notice.
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Don't get up. So how are you? What happened, eh? Let me guess, Stefano told you that you could fly,and you jumped off a building. HeHe It's funny right, no I'm sorry Bad EJ, I should'nt be that cruel!

brazen
Jul 12 2012, 09:27 PM
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That is it, right there, Sami seems more concerned in clearing Ej's name than in trying to find a way to get her son from out of Ej's grasp.


But Will wants to be in EJ's grasp.

Will isn't Allie or Johnny that need parents to provide and take care of them. Will's a grown up with his own apartment, own car, in college, own money, own job. He blackmails, he schemes, he stuffs ballot boxes and he wants to be EJ from his own words.

It's not up to mommy to make decisions for Will. Will chooses to work for EJ, he needs to make his own choices and mistakes.
Exactly, Will is not being forced to work for Ej, he wants too.
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LuvingLumi
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Come on Ron, We are counting on YOU !!

brazen
Jul 12 2012, 09:27 PM
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That is it, right there, Sami seems more concerned in clearing Ej's name than in trying to find a way to get her son from out of Ej's grasp.


But Will wants to be in EJ's grasp.

Will isn't Allie or Johnny that need parents to provide and take care of them. Will's a grown up with his own apartment, own car, in college, own money, own job. He blackmails, he schemes, he stuffs ballot boxes and he wants to be EJ from his own words.

It's not up to mommy to make decisions for Will. Will chooses to work for EJ, he needs to make his own choices and mistakes.
It doesn't matter what Will wants, especially if being around Ej could cause him to go to jail. Who gives a shit... Its like saying that if your kid wanted to take drugs you would let him.
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LuvingLumi
Jul 12 2012, 09:19 PM
px780
Jul 12 2012, 06:27 PM
JamaicanBeauty7
Jul 12 2012, 05:20 PM
Mitchapalooza
Jul 12 2012, 04:25 PM
Will is becoming more pathetic with every passing spoiler...I mean he is PRACTICALLY begging to service EJ at this point....what would really be hilarious is if the show just "went there" with both of them...haha...now that would send all fanbases into a bloody tailspin of panic...it would be HILARIOUS and probably the most unpredictable thing this show has ever done.
I don't understand how he is pathetic. Lucas ruined the one piece of information that made Will finally have leverage over EJ. Now that's all gone straight to hell. Who knows what EJ is going to do now since Alice's letter is out there and he still holds that secret of attempted murder on him. He's freaking out and understandably so.
Is that all Will has? Didn't he participate in stuffing a ballot box or anything?

Also, I tend to think Sami and Lucas (or Lucas and Kate) could very easily think of a way to defuse the whole Will-shoots-EJ blackmail, if EJ weren't golden. So for me that whole aspect...I don't get why it drives action the way it does. It seems to me like everyone else has to be stupid/pathetic or focused on other inane things for it to continue to work.

Will should grow a pair, embrace his legacy, and scheme his way out, imho. Or one of the schemers in his family should. It just doesn't seem that hard.


That is it, right there, Sami seems more concerned in clearing Ej's name than in trying to find a way to get her son from out of Ej's grasp. No one has even questioned what evidence, if any, EJ has proving Will shot him. If anything it would be in character for Sami to get close to EJ so she can find whatever evidence he had and take it . But we can't do that can we...
Maybe that is what she is trying to do.
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JamesScott_19
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Don't get up. So how are you? What happened, eh? Let me guess, Stefano told you that you could fly,and you jumped off a building. HeHe It's funny right, no I'm sorry Bad EJ, I should'nt be that cruel!

LuvingLumi
Jul 12 2012, 09:42 PM
brazen
Jul 12 2012, 09:27 PM
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That is it, right there, Sami seems more concerned in clearing Ej's name than in trying to find a way to get her son from out of Ej's grasp.


But Will wants to be in EJ's grasp.

Will isn't Allie or Johnny that need parents to provide and take care of them. Will's a grown up with his own apartment, own car, in college, own money, own job. He blackmails, he schemes, he stuffs ballot boxes and he wants to be EJ from his own words.

It's not up to mommy to make decisions for Will. Will chooses to work for EJ, he needs to make his own choices and mistakes.
It doesn't what Will wants, especially if being around Ej could cause him to go to jail. Who gives a shit... Its like saying that if your kid wanted to take drugs you would let him.
No it is not saying that at all, Will has made it clear many times that he enjoys working with him. He does not need the approval of his mommy or daddy, he is a young man that can make his own decisions. The whole idea of him not going to jail is not why he is associated with Ej, quite the contrary.
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Crazy4Ejole


I must be insane because I continuously read these shitty spoilers hoping for a different outcome....but nope it's the same crap that has been playing all year, I'll pass.
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LuvingLumi
Jul 12 2012, 09:42 PM
brazen
Jul 12 2012, 09:27 PM
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That is it, right there, Sami seems more concerned in clearing Ej's name than in trying to find a way to get her son from out of Ej's grasp.


But Will wants to be in EJ's grasp.

Will isn't Allie or Johnny that need parents to provide and take care of them. Will's a grown up with his own apartment, own car, in college, own money, own job. He blackmails, he schemes, he stuffs ballot boxes and he wants to be EJ from his own words.

It's not up to mommy to make decisions for Will. Will chooses to work for EJ, he needs to make his own choices and mistakes.
It doesn't matter what Will wants, especially if being around Ej could cause him to go to jail. Who gives a shit... Its like saying that if your kid wanted to take drugs you would let him.
There's a difference in being an addict and just your kid having a job you don't like. Will wants to work for EJ, it makes
him happy. So he should be miserable doing a job that he hates and doesn't like because it's what his parents want?

Will's a big boy, making his own big boy decisions. It's not up to Sami or Lucas to dictate who he works for anymore than it's up
to Kate to meddle in Lucas's life and order him around on who he should be with and who he shouldn't. Kate doesn't approve of Sami at all for Lucas, thinks she's going to hurt/ruin etc.. his life. So is it up to Kate to tell Lucas it doesn't matter what he wants, what matters is what Kate wants for him?

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JamesScott_19
Jul 12 2012, 09:44 PM
LuvingLumi
Jul 12 2012, 09:42 PM
brazen
Jul 12 2012, 09:27 PM
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That is it, right there, Sami seems more concerned in clearing Ej's name than in trying to find a way to get her son from out of Ej's grasp.


But Will wants to be in EJ's grasp.

Will isn't Allie or Johnny that need parents to provide and take care of them. Will's a grown up with his own apartment, own car, in college, own money, own job. He blackmails, he schemes, he stuffs ballot boxes and he wants to be EJ from his own words.

It's not up to mommy to make decisions for Will. Will chooses to work for EJ, he needs to make his own choices and mistakes.
It doesn't what Will wants, especially if being around Ej could cause him to go to jail. Who gives a shit... Its like saying that if your kid wanted to take drugs you would let him.
No it is not saying that at all, Will has made it clear many times that he enjoys working with him. He does not need the approval of his mommy or daddy, he is a young man that can make his own decisions. The whole idea of him not going to jail is not why he is associated with Ej, quite the contrary.
Again if will working for EJ can end up hurting Will, I don't give a shit what he 'wants'... As a parent Lucas shouldn't either.
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Mardar are really transparent

They took the the ejill interaction (which most people initially liked) and beat us over the head with it

Nothing they do is subtle
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JamesScott_19
Jul 12 2012, 09:44 PM
LuvingLumi
Jul 12 2012, 09:42 PM
brazen
Jul 12 2012, 09:27 PM
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That is it, right there, Sami seems more concerned in clearing Ej's name than in trying to find a way to get her son from out of Ej's grasp.


But Will wants to be in EJ's grasp.

Will isn't Allie or Johnny that need parents to provide and take care of them. Will's a grown up with his own apartment, own car, in college, own money, own job. He blackmails, he schemes, he stuffs ballot boxes and he wants to be EJ from his own words.

It's not up to mommy to make decisions for Will. Will chooses to work for EJ, he needs to make his own choices and mistakes.
It doesn't what Will wants, especially if being around Ej could cause him to go to jail. Who gives a shit... Its like saying that if your kid wanted to take drugs you would let him.
No it is not saying that at all, Will has made it clear many times that he enjoys working with him. He does not need the approval of his mommy or daddy, he is a young man that can make his own decisions. The whole idea of him not going to jail is not why he is associated with Ej, quite the contrary.
Exactly, plus Will has been working for EJ for months and nothing bad has happened to him. If anything, working for EJ has been very beneficial for Will. He's happy, more confident, gaining good job skills, etc. It's not like we've seen Will commit all of these shady actions under EJ's thumb. We've seen him play power games with EJ, which is harmless b/c no way will EJ ever try to hurt Will due to his love for Sami. Will was always crying & pissed off all the time until he started working for EJ. Now Will is awesome!

EJ recognizes Will's deceptive side and desire for power. EJ treats Will like an adult and is teaching/mentoring Will in a good way. Will has the ability to become unhinged at any moment and EJ provides a way for Will to tap into his natural 'deceptive' side or desire for power, but keep his recklessness/impulsiveness/anger under control.

Will is definitely more interesting to watch as a gray character and when he has scenes with EJ. Actually Will is most interesting when he interacts with DiMeras- EJ & Chad. Will is definitely his mother's son :)
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LuvingLumi
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Come on Ron, We are counting on YOU !!

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Jul 12 2012, 10:00 PM
LuvingLumi
Jul 12 2012, 09:42 PM
brazen
Jul 12 2012, 09:27 PM
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That is it, right there, Sami seems more concerned in clearing Ej's name than in trying to find a way to get her son from out of Ej's grasp.


But Will wants to be in EJ's grasp.

Will isn't Allie or Johnny that need parents to provide and take care of them. Will's a grown up with his own apartment, own car, in college, own money, own job. He blackmails, he schemes, he stuffs ballot boxes and he wants to be EJ from his own words.

It's not up to mommy to make decisions for Will. Will chooses to work for EJ, he needs to make his own choices and mistakes.
It doesn't matter what Will wants, especially if being around Ej could cause him to go to jail. Who gives a shit... Its like saying that if your kid wanted to take drugs you would let him.
There's a difference in being an addict and just your kid having a job you don't like. Will wants to work for EJ, it makes
him happy. So he should be miserable doing a job that he hates and doesn't like because it's what his parents want?

Will's a big boy, making his own big boy decisions. It's not up to Sami or Lucas to dictate who he works for anymore than it's up
to Kate to meddle in Lucas's life and order him around on who he should be with and who he shouldn't. Kate doesn't approve of Sami at all for Lucas, thinks she's going to hurt/ruin etc.. his life. So is it up to Kate to tell Lucas it doesn't matter what he wants, what matters is what Kate wants for him?

I made the drug analogy just to get the point across. Maybe comparing it to working for the mob would be a better comparison. My 20 year old wants to work for uncle Vinny cause he's cool and gets all this stuff, money, power and other folks are afraid to cross Vinny, but Vinny is in the mob....should I let him, because he's an adult and wants to do it? Hell No!! As if all 20 year olds actually know what is best for them.
Edited by LuvingLumi, Jul 12 2012, 10:08 PM.
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pennieloafer
Jul 12 2012, 10:03 PM
Mardar are really transparent

They took the the ejill interaction (which most people initially liked) and beat us over the head with it

Nothing they do is subtle
Mardar had no idea what they were doing they just threw stuff at the wall and hoped something would stick. I highly believe they had no story outlines or anything just throwing stuff at the wall.
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Crazy4Ejole
Jul 12 2012, 10:15 PM
pennieloafer
Jul 12 2012, 10:03 PM
Mardar are really transparent

They took the the ejill interaction (which most people initially liked) and beat us over the head with it

Nothing they do is subtle
Mardar had no idea what they were doing they just threw stuff at the wall and hoped something would stick. I highly believe they had no story outlines or anything just throwing stuff at the wall.
Everything with EJAMI and EJILL has been perfection! But nothing else under MarDar has been that great.
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Jul 12 2012, 10:01 PM
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It doesn't what Will wants, especially if being around Ej could cause him to go to jail. Who gives a shit... Its like saying that if your kid wanted to take drugs you would let him.
No it is not saying that at all, Will has made it clear many times that he enjoys working with him. He does not need the approval of his mommy or daddy, he is a young man that can make his own decisions. The whole idea of him not going to jail is not why he is associated with Ej, quite the contrary.
Again if will working for EJ can end up hurting Will, I don't give a shit what he 'wants'... As a parent Lucas shouldn't either.
All types of jobs can hurt you. What if Will wanted to follow in his family members foot steps, should he not be a cop because he can get hurt and shot?

Sami and Lucas should be refusing to let him do that too, since that can end up hurting Will. Working as a pilot can end up hurting Will.
Working as a construction worker can end up hurting Will. Look at Jack, he was a journalist and ended up kidnapped. Anything can end up hurting you.

Will wants to work for the Mayor's office/Dimera Enterprises. He wants to learn the ropes of that from EJ. Will runs around doing errands and delivering papers most of the time anyways it's not like he's shooting people. He hasn't been hurt or close to being hurt and the only time EJ's even been hurt has been when Will and Sami shot him, which had nothing to do with EJ's job or work at all. So I'm failing to see this big huge danger Will is in by working for the Mayor since EJ's not in danger. If Will's in danger for working for him, shouldn't Sami and Lucas be too? Shouldn't Johnny and Sydney be for being EJ's kids? Shouldn't Sami and everyone for living across the hall from EJ? They haven't shown anything that being around EJ means Will would be hurt.

EJ's not Sonny Corinthos or Jason Morgan. Will is not Michael. If this was GH, I'd have a different stance.

Will works for EJ, because Will likes and wants to work for EJ. Before it he was a mess and now he himself says he came out to Roman to give him the alibi, he came out to his parents, he is light years different than the messed up kid he was when he showed up on EJ's doorstep blackmailing him for money so he could run away out of town.
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Will isn't a baby he is at least college age so if he is anything like most teens/twenty somethings
he thinks he knows it all. His parents can tell him what to do but that doesn't mean he will listen,
in fact he might do just the opposite to get a reaction from them
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Jul 12 2012, 03:44 PM
Stupid fracking Will! Lucas is the one who deserves your loyalty, not stinkin Ej! Stupid fracking writers!
Love your banner! BD looks great in orange! Lumi Magic!
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Jul 12 2012, 10:17 PM
Crazy4Ejole
Jul 12 2012, 10:15 PM
pennieloafer
Jul 12 2012, 10:03 PM
Mardar are really transparent

They took the the ejill interaction (which most people initially liked) and beat us over the head with it

Nothing they do is subtle
Mardar had no idea what they were doing they just threw stuff at the wall and hoped something would stick. I highly believe they had no story outlines or anything just throwing stuff at the wall.
Everything with EJAMI and EJILL has been perfection! But nothing else under MarDar has been that great.
No it hasn't Ejill was ok at first but now it's just repetitive and stupid. And don't even let me start with Eshami that's whole other story that needs fixing.
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Will isn't a baby he is at least college age so if he is anything like most teens/twenty somethings
he thinks he knows it all. His parents can tell him what to do but that doesn't mean he will listen,
in fact he might do just the opposite to get a reaction from them

It's not Will's actions I have an issue with, it's those of the people around him. Mostly Sami, because I can't reconcile her 20+ year hatred of John and her continual rage towards her sister with the idea that she'd let EJ slide for blackmailing her son (and if she is being sneaky in all this, they need to make that clear, imho).

So my main reaction to this is: these people is dumb. At least Lucas does something (goes to John), but how much cooler would it have been if he went to EJ instead? That to me would be a grown-up Lucas. Or he'd go to his mother, whatever. Or he and Sami would think it through together (or not if he doesn't trust her).

Bottom line, I feel like all these people are kind of stupid at this point in the whole Will-blackmailed-by-EJ saga. And the thing is...I'm cool with stories written around the idea that people are idiots. I watched Days in the 90s and enjoyed much of Passions. But I need at least one character with a solid, functioning brain. I'm not getting that from this storyline. JMHO of course.

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Will isn't a baby he is at least college age so if he is anything like most teens/twenty somethings
he thinks he knows it all. His parents can tell him what to do but that doesn't mean he will listen,
in fact he might do just the opposite to get a reaction from them


Well, if my father went to prison and did time for a crime that I committed, I sure in the hell wouldn't be buds with the m'effer that he went to prison for.
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Jul 12 2012, 11:19 PM
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Will isn't a baby he is at least college age so if he is anything like most teens/twenty somethings
he thinks he knows it all. His parents can tell him what to do but that doesn't mean he will listen,
in fact he might do just the opposite to get a reaction from them


Well, if my father went to prison and did time for a crime that I committed, I sure in the hell wouldn't be buds with the m'effer that he went to prison for.
I would think most children wouldn't be buds in that situation BUT
all I am saying is that since Will is an adult he needs to decide that for himself.
His parents or parent can demand he do something but they can't force him to listen or obey.
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