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Lucas learns the truth about EJ; Airs week of July 16th
Topic Started: Jul 12 2012, 02:51 PM (8,909 Views)
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Jul 13 2012, 11:21 AM
Lucas makes a big mistake here by running to others with Alice's letter rather than talking to Will about it first. Had he done that, Lucas would show his concern for Will's interests. Instead, he runs to everyone else in town, waving the letter like a child seeking attention. He has no idea at this point what kinds of repercussions his own actions will have on his son. Rather, he's much more interested in furthering his own agenda to bring EJ down. Will's called it right here. Lucas has sold him out.
I agree. Who is to say that EJ doesn't have a huge file on when he was shot which has tons of evidence against Will, and now, because of his actions, Lucas just put Will's freedom in jeopardy because of his need to seek revenge on EJ? Now, having said that, I think that EJ truly values Will's friendship and would never do that to him, but there is a possiblity. And I say that EJ values Will's friendship and his opinion because he listened to him about the lie detector test. This was what cemented to me that they truly were friends, despite all the blackmail. Ah, but what's a little blackmail amongst friends, right?? :biggrin:

Lucas is so excited to have found this little tidbit of information, that he acts without thinking. I thought the same thing when he went to John and Marlena about Will behind Sami's back this past week. Surely, Lucas knows how Sami feels about Marlena and Will's relationship and how jealous she is of that, I am not sure she is going to like the fact that he turned to John and Marlena with this information without talking to her or Will about it first.

Now as to whether or not EJ is a good influence on Will... I don't think it matters to Will. And I think the harder his parents try to convince him otherwise, the more he will turn to EJ. The biggest difference is with EJ, Will is treated differently. He's listened to. He's trusted. There are benefits to being with EJ (car, apartment, money, power, etc). For any guy Will's age, these are all very attractive. Does he really want to be living in Sami's new apartment with his much, much younger siblings? Probably not.

I think Lucas made a mistake and that his running to the police with this information is going to cause big problems for Will and Lucas. It shows a lack of trust on Lucas' part, which will severely hurt Will.
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I just can't stomach any of this. I hate this writing for Lucas. I hate this writing for Will - I would rather have boring, sunshine pie Will than this one - this Will is not gray or murky, and that is what was going to be interesting about Ejill. Not a spoiler like "he runs to warn EJ....will he make it in time?" Please. This will is a lap dog, when he isn't being smug. I hate the factions that are seemingly developing. I hate all of it and hope it ends or subsides soon.

I agree about Will not acknowledging his role, however big or small it may have been, in his parents being apart. It's not the only reason they are apart, and I don't think he intentionally shot EJ in order to jeopardize his parents' marriage or anything. It's just funny that that acknowledgement doesn't happen. And I realize that story happened years ago, and this Ejill story is happening now. I GET all that. But how convenient that Lucas's sacrifice is retconned, so that the occasion to talk about and understand it for what it was are few, and secondary or tertiary to current storylines. And then how convenient that that is past - even though we are just learning about it now - but what is present is apparently all this tender love and fatherly feeling EJ has for Will. Interesting......

But anyway, that is just how I feel b/c I am a Lucas and Lumi fan, so I find these omissions and story-focuses annoying, if not insulting. I get that Lucas is not the first nor the last character to get less than flattering writing. But I am a fan. So as a I fan I am upset, I can see through the very deliberate story devices being constructed here, and it frustrates me.

That Will wants to work for EJ is irrelevant to me. I mean, I wish he didn't, but whatever. That's fine. I agree that I have an objection with the reactions around this, such as Sami's. She might know EJ better, hold him in better regard than Lucas does, but how can she be guaranteed that EJ really just wants to look out for her son?? How can she be GUARANTEED that?? Oh what, b/c she loves EJ? Yeah ok. It's so that the factions can develop as they are, Ejill/Ejami vs. Lucas. So that Sami is seen having a weaker reaction (watered down, despite the moments of huffing and puffing we have seen) and Lucas can on the other end of the spectrum have this stronger one. That is also very interesting.

Just my opinion.
Edited by elci525, Jul 13 2012, 12:27 PM.
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There are benefits to being with EJ (car, apartment, money, power, etc). For any guy Will's age, these are all very attractive. Does he really want to be living in Sami's new apartment with his much, much younger siblings? Probably not.


So, in a sense, Will is getting the kind of 'perks' that pimps usually gives their hookers to keep them hooking. :shrug:

Chandler Massey deserves to play more than this shit. I want to get back to his story. Not this lame-out, jacked up plot to keep Sami in EJ's orbit.

Free Will from Ejill.
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Chandler Massey deserves to play more than this shit. I want to get back to his story. Not this lame-out, jacked up plot to keep Sami in EJ's orbit.


Yet according to Chandler Massey he loves it and says James is his fav to work with. Any of the others in the teen crowd would kill for CM's story and airtime he's getting by being involved with EJ. EJ and Will started long ago and it had nothing to do with EJ & Sami other than Will wanting to stick it to her.
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At this point the character of Will has irritated me beyond belief and I don't really care what happens to him. I was rooting for him during the coming out so its shame they've shelved it only to focus on the only character that matters to them, EJ! Let EJ blow him out of the water and hopefully somehow it'll come out that Will was the one who stole the jobs plan from Abe too. Get it over with b/c I am so ready to move on.
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Jul 13 2012, 12:42 PM
At this point the character of Will has irritated me beyond belief and I don't really care what happens to him. I was rooting for him during the coming out so its shame they've shelved it only to focus on the only character that matters to them, EJ! Let EJ blow him out of the water and hopefully somehow it'll come out that Will was the one who stole the jobs plan from Abe too. Get it over with b/c I am so ready to move on.
THIS! But Sami more so needs to be blown out of the water. She has been irritating me MUCH longer than Will has!
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This is just more proof of why MarDar were given the boot. :shame: How I miss liking the characters I used to enjoy.
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Jul 13 2012, 11:21 AM
Lucas makes a big mistake here by running to others with Alice's letter rather than talking to Will about it first. Had he done that, Lucas would show his concern for Will's interests. Instead, he runs to everyone else in town, waving the letter like a child seeking attention. He has no idea at this point what kinds of repercussions his own actions will have on his son. Rather, he's much more interested in furthering his own agenda to bring EJ down. Will's called it right here. Lucas has sold him out.
I don't see it that way. Why should Lucas go to his son for advice on what to do next? He should be a parent, imho, which is what I think he's doing by going to John (to give John ammo to get EJ's source of wealth gone- without that, would Will want to be his bitch?) and sort of by going to Rafe (to get EJ's freedom gone).

So he is acting in Will's best interests, from my perspective.

The dumb part- and I'm not sure how this will play out- is that Lucas isn't covering his tracks so this all gets blamed on some random third party.

EJ going down because of some random person wouldn't necessarily mean Will goes down, too. Unless EJ is just that big of a douchebag. So if Lucas played it smart, whatever EJ has on Will is irrelevant.
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So he is acting in Will's best interests, from my perspective.

Taking away the information Will had on EJ and running to the cops with it, while Lucas knows EJ still has his information on Will in his pocket doesn't sound like best interests of Will.

It's best interests of Lucas.

Lucas knew Will had the information he should have went to Will with it to discuss what he was doing with it first before running all over town with it and showing everyone he ran into. While Lucas is at it why doesn't he just tell the cops that Will shot EJ. Case closed, EJ can't hold anything over Will and Will would probably grateful to Lucas right?
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Jul 12 2012, 09:40 PM
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Jul 12 2012, 06:39 PM
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Jul 12 2012, 03:44 PM
Stupid fracking Will! Lucas is the one who deserves your loyalty, not stinkin Ej! Stupid fracking writers!
I do think Will is giving his dad the shaft.

But then again EJ's given Will all these perks.

There's enough Will to go around; I think he has room for both men in his life, if he chooses to do so. :)
Will seems to not even realize that at the end HE is the reason why his parents are really not together. He doesn't seem to care what his father sacrificed and was willing to sacrifice to protect his butt, he's all up in Ej's to notice.
I think Lumi would have still split up - Lucas in prison or not. I felt it was heading that way. There might have been different circumstances but I don't think Sami was above cheating on Lucas with EJ.

It's a soap - there would have been this kind of drama either way.

Honestly, I never even though about it the way you do until you posted. I think Lucas and Sami split because EJ came into the picture not so much that Lucas "left" it.
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Jul 12 2012, 09:42 PM
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Jul 12 2012, 09:27 PM
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That is it, right there, Sami seems more concerned in clearing Ej's name than in trying to find a way to get her son from out of Ej's grasp.


But Will wants to be in EJ's grasp.

Will isn't Allie or Johnny that need parents to provide and take care of them. Will's a grown up with his own apartment, own car, in college, own money, own job. He blackmails, he schemes, he stuffs ballot boxes and he wants to be EJ from his own words.

It's not up to mommy to make decisions for Will. Will chooses to work for EJ, he needs to make his own choices and mistakes.
It doesn't matter what Will wants, especially if being around Ej could cause him to go to jail. Who gives a shit... Its like saying that if your kid wanted to take drugs you would let him.
It really comes down to how serious you consider the EJ thing.

I personally think that drugs are worse than EJ.

Not that I disagree with Lucas and Sami being concerned - they might have reason to be. But Will should make that choice on his own. And if he's happy where he is...well it's not like he's on drugs or something that horrible.

But again, it's all in how you see it. I like EJ and so I don't mind this.
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Jul 13 2012, 02:45 PM
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So he is acting in Will's best interests, from my perspective.

Taking away the information Will had on EJ and running to the cops with it, while Lucas knows EJ still has his information on Will in his pocket doesn't sound like best interests of Will.

It's best interests of Lucas.

Lucas knew Will had the information he should have went to Will with it to discuss what he was doing with it first before running all over town with it and showing everyone he ran into. While Lucas is at it why doesn't he just tell the cops that Will shot EJ. Case closed, EJ can't hold anything over Will and Will would probably grateful to Lucas right?
Say he goes to Will, Will wants to keep the counter-blackmail evidence. And then...he still works for EJ, which Lucas thinks is bad for Will, right?

I just think Lucas is acting in Will's best interest as Lucas sees it. Maybe that's where we diverge on this point. I don't really care what Will wants to do, I don't think Lucas should care what Will wants to do in this scenario.

And as I said upthread, I don't consider EJ's blackmail of Will all that serious, in the sense that it'd be easy for Lucas and/or Sami (if she gave a shit) to effectively counter it. So I guess I'm not really factoring that in as this big thing that Lucas has to be fearful of.
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Jul 13 2012, 10:03 AM
what if the situation were reversed? Let`s age Johnny a decade or so. And he begins following Rafe around, disses EJ his father even though he`s done everything to protect him. Maybe he should pull out his FBI jacket now and start experiencing his male revolution.
I would be sorely disappointed if we didn't have a storyline where Johnny challenges his father.

Are you telling me there was never any bo / shawn conflict. (or should that be Bo/ Victor conflict).

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Jul 13 2012, 12:33 PM
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There are benefits to being with EJ (car, apartment, money, power, etc). For any guy Will's age, these are all very attractive. Does he really want to be living in Sami's new apartment with his much, much younger siblings? Probably not.


So, in a sense, Will is getting the kind of 'perks' that pimps usually gives their hookers to keep them hooking. :shrug:

Chandler Massey deserves to play more than this shit. I want to get back to his story. Not this lame-out, jacked up plot to keep Sami in EJ's orbit.

Free Will from Ejill.
Although he is also freed from the servitude of being an on call babysitter 24-7.

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Jul 13 2012, 03:06 PM
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So he is acting in Will's best interests, from my perspective.

Taking away the information Will had on EJ and running to the cops with it, while Lucas knows EJ still has his information on Will in his pocket doesn't sound like best interests of Will.

It's best interests of Lucas.

Lucas knew Will had the information he should have went to Will with it to discuss what he was doing with it first before running all over town with it and showing everyone he ran into. While Lucas is at it why doesn't he just tell the cops that Will shot EJ. Case closed, EJ can't hold anything over Will and Will would probably grateful to Lucas right?
Say he goes to Will, Will wants to keep the counter-blackmail evidence. And then...he still works for EJ, which Lucas thinks is bad for Will, right?

I just think Lucas is acting in Will's best interest as Lucas sees it. Maybe that's where we diverge on this point. I don't really care what Will wants to do, I don't think Lucas should care what Will wants to do in this scenario.

And as I said upthread, I don't consider EJ's blackmail of Will all that serious, in the sense that it'd be easy for Lucas and/or Sami (if she gave a shit) to effectively counter it. So I guess I'm not really factoring that in as this big thing that Lucas has to be fearful of.
They can't have it both ways, EJ can't be this evil blackmailer that's blackmailing poor innocent Will
that Lucas needs to save Will from and also try to say that EJ wouldn't go to the cops and out Will.

I don't think EJ has any intentions of going to the cops on what Will did. However, Lucas seems to think that EJ's
this evil blackmailer of his son. So when your son has information on EJ to counter that blackmail and make them equal wouldn't you hold onto that for the sake of your sons freedom? Freedom and working for EJ (which Will chooses to do on his own, blackmail not required) or Jail. Isn't that Lucas's options as a father he should be seeing for his son?

Lucas's response is to go to the cops and give up this information and leave Will with nothing to fight evil blackmailing EJ with?
Since EJ's so evil the blackmailer according to Lucas, how does Lucas not think that EJ wouldn't go to the cops and spill on Will?

The whole thing is contrived to make Lucas look bad and he walks right into it by not being on his sons side first and instead Lucas
is just on his own side of just wanting EJ in jail and not caring about the consequences to Will, not caring if EJ's innocent. He just wants EJ gone so he can have what he deems he owns.
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Jul 12 2012, 09:42 PM
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Jul 12 2012, 09:27 PM
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That is it, right there, Sami seems more concerned in clearing Ej's name than in trying to find a way to get her son from out of Ej's grasp.


But Will wants to be in EJ's grasp.

Will isn't Allie or Johnny that need parents to provide and take care of them. Will's a grown up with his own apartment, own car, in college, own money, own job. He blackmails, he schemes, he stuffs ballot boxes and he wants to be EJ from his own words.

It's not up to mommy to make decisions for Will. Will chooses to work for EJ, he needs to make his own choices and mistakes.
It doesn't matter what Will wants, especially if being around Ej could cause him to go to jail. Who gives a shit... Its like saying that if your kid wanted to take drugs you would let him.
If keeping himself out of jail is the important thing - he's better off on Team EJ.

Both Sami and Lucas have done time.
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Jul 13 2012, 03:19 PM
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Jul 12 2012, 09:42 PM
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Jul 12 2012, 09:27 PM
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That is it, right there, Sami seems more concerned in clearing Ej's name than in trying to find a way to get her son from out of Ej's grasp.


But Will wants to be in EJ's grasp.

Will isn't Allie or Johnny that need parents to provide and take care of them. Will's a grown up with his own apartment, own car, in college, own money, own job. He blackmails, he schemes, he stuffs ballot boxes and he wants to be EJ from his own words.

It's not up to mommy to make decisions for Will. Will chooses to work for EJ, he needs to make his own choices and mistakes.
It doesn't matter what Will wants, especially if being around Ej could cause him to go to jail. Who gives a shit... Its like saying that if your kid wanted to take drugs you would let him.
If keeping himself out of jail is the important thing - he's better off on Team EJ.

Both Sami and Lucas have done time.
EJ could turn on him at any time when he no longer has a use for him. Then he is left standing all alone as Lucas already warned him.
Edited by Helpless Romantic, Jul 13 2012, 03:22 PM.
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EJ could turn on him at any time when he no longer has a use for him. Then he is left standing all alone as Lucas already warned him.


It's too bad that Will didn't have information against EJ to prevent him from ever doing that.....oh wait.

If EJ ever did turn on Will they're going to show it as being all Lucas's fault. Great job dad!
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Jul 13 2012, 03:21 PM
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It doesn't matter what Will wants, especially if being around Ej could cause him to go to jail. Who gives a shit... Its like saying that if your kid wanted to take drugs you would let him.
If keeping himself out of jail is the important thing - he's better off on Team EJ.

Both Sami and Lucas have done time.
EJ could turn on him at any time when he no longer has a use for him. Then he is left standing all alone as Lucas already warned him.
Kate to the rescue....... she'll love you Will whether you want to play good team or bad team.

and since you are not going to get messed up with the girls there shouldn't be any problems further down the track.

I'm not sure she is willing to take on victor by feeding Sonny chocolate brownies.
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If keeping himself out of jail is the important thing - he's better off on Team EJ.

Both Sami and Lucas have done time.
EJ could turn on him at any time when he no longer has a use for him. Then he is left standing all alone as Lucas already warned him.
Kate to the rescue....... she'll love you Will whether you want to play good team or bad team.
LOL! With a new batch of brownies :laugh:
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