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Matt Ashford's Diva of DOOL Interview
Topic Started: Jul 19 2012, 09:17 AM (8,912 Views)
DesignatedShelley
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BTW, let's be honest: what Missy shied away from was not criticism of her acting but the fact that people were blaming her for the writing for Jennifer. This was not about her being able to handle or not handle the assessment of her competency as an actress. We all know that what she has been bothered by is people blaming her for trying to go with/understand/rationalize/play out Jennifer's choices. It was her comments about fans separating character from actor that pissed people off way back a few months ago. That is what she withdrew from. It is very easy to go back in one's memory and see how given the kind of mass feedback that gets thrown at an actor, she perceived "I hate you because of your character" rather than "I disagree with some of your acting choices". That may not be the attitude of any given poster on this board, but she had feedback from a LOT of fans to process, and we can all admit that some fans crossed the line w.r.t. what they said to her.
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Romancer66
Jul 19 2012, 04:22 PM
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Jul 19 2012, 04:18 PM
DesignatedShelley
Jul 19 2012, 03:52 PM
One thing the interview suggested to me -- going off of what esp13 posted -- is that fan feedback has to become a lot more precise otherwise it's going to be poorly interpreted by TPTB. Matt said that there simply was never a plan B for J/J/D, it was either going to be That Story or nothing at all, and that's not ideal and it doesn't speak well of the writers that that was a reality, but what is a fan to actually do about it? Perhaps, since supposedly NBC/Sony/whatever other TPTB are listening now more than they have been before, there needs to be more dialog about what to do when a story tanks. It's not really good soap writing to have no plan B, but I can't think of a way to compel the writers to remember that.
I've had the same dilemma since 2008 or so. I have no clue what the answer is, but their response to fan feedback is definitely one of the things that's broken about the show. I'm not sure there's really anything to do about it.
Especially when it seems that TIIC hear only what they want to hear. In my most pessimistic moments, I think the most thoughtful, articulate fans could submit a detailed and comprehensive treatise about what they think works and doesn't work, and what they would like to see happen and why--and the suits would still find some way to completely misinterpret/misunderstand the message, resulting in more crapola that nobody wants to see.
I think the problem is that they don't have good writers who have good stories and follow thru with them. Or if they do, tptb don't support them and force the stories to be changed and cause the flailing around we've been seeing.

The last thing they should do is listen to the fans. The viewpoints are too different. It would be schizophrenic writing, and sadly that's what's happened. You can't listen to too many voices, and there are too many fans who will balk the second 'their' couple is in jeopardy. Then no one gets any story, just waffling and juggling and boredom.

The writers should tell what they want to tell, discussing the character motivations and story like they did back in the early days when the Cordays and Bell and Anderson and Racine and Jer cared about Salem. It's ridiculous that Days had gotten as bad as it had. It's been empty and lost it's foundation.

It doesn't mean the fans shouldn't provide feedback. Cheer, boo, root, etc, but it should not affect the story. If the writing fails, then it fails and should be judged on what was written. I hated Danifer before Jack ever came on the scene. It just never felt real, and I don't think there's anything wrong in saying that. I do think some fans can carry it too far, and have been somewhat disappointed in what I've seen, and I do think it's limited actors when it shouldn't have.

At the same time, I'd argue the mistake was letting overzealous fans affect the writing. I can see how it's a very difficult line, trying to keep the ratings up with so many fans mobilized for their fanbase, but once the line was crossed that if fans throw up too big of a fuss, tptb cave, I think things went downhill. (edit - I am NOT saying this is what happened with J&J - I think it happened ages ago back in the late 90s/early2000s).

If they are 'punishing' J&J fans, I find it ironic because I was actually rooting for Jack and Jennifer to move on, and for Jack to actually have a story outside of Jennifer. I'd really prefer MA to have a fresh start as Jack. I don't think he needs Jennifer. If anything, I think Jennifer suffers without Jack.
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Jul 19 2012, 11:42 AM
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Jul 19 2012, 11:33 AM
But I'm going to push those bitter feelings more towards the writers and TPTB than towards her. It really isn't her fault that Matt was fired. I still won't watch Dannifer though. :puke:
Well, after listening to the interview, I'm still bitter. While I don't blame Missy for Matt's firing, I still think her actions speaks louder than words. I can't forget Missy's actions, and especially her pimping of Dannifer. I respect Matt's take on things, but I don't buy it, and I will never support Missy as Jennifer again.
I'm with you on this unpopular opinion. I think Matt is a great friend trying defend Missy but it doesn't sway my opinion because it doesn't change the fact that she was singing Daniel's praises while acting like Jack was just some guy who she was married to who happened to be the DNA donor for her children, or her bizarre actions against fans that didn't do anything offensive. Matt is a class act and a gentleman but my opinion of the situation isn't changed. Besides that, this was a really good interview. I like Matt's positive attitude and I really wish that The Bay would be on TV. I absolutely LOVE the cast and stories on there!
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AHM
Jul 19 2012, 04:36 PM
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Jul 19 2012, 04:22 PM
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Jul 19 2012, 04:18 PM
DesignatedShelley
Jul 19 2012, 03:52 PM
One thing the interview suggested to me -- going off of what esp13 posted -- is that fan feedback has to become a lot more precise otherwise it's going to be poorly interpreted by TPTB. Matt said that there simply was never a plan B for J/J/D, it was either going to be That Story or nothing at all, and that's not ideal and it doesn't speak well of the writers that that was a reality, but what is a fan to actually do about it? Perhaps, since supposedly NBC/Sony/whatever other TPTB are listening now more than they have been before, there needs to be more dialog about what to do when a story tanks. It's not really good soap writing to have no plan B, but I can't think of a way to compel the writers to remember that.
I've had the same dilemma since 2008 or so. I have no clue what the answer is, but their response to fan feedback is definitely one of the things that's broken about the show. I'm not sure there's really anything to do about it.
Especially when it seems that TIIC hear only what they want to hear. In my most pessimistic moments, I think the most thoughtful, articulate fans could submit a detailed and comprehensive treatise about what they think works and doesn't work, and what they would like to see happen and why--and the suits would still find some way to completely misinterpret/misunderstand the message, resulting in more crapola that nobody wants to see.
Well, I have seen many thoughtful, articulate fans do just that on this very board to no avail.
I get the impression that the writers are/were "listening" but only, in this case, with half an ear (if that). A J&J story (good or bad) was never going to be their main priority and was never going to make or break the show - not anymore.

And, to be honest, I think maybe some of us are just too darn wordy to get a succinct point across. I don't know about most people here for instance, but, on almost all internet sites, even if something really interests me, I generally "scan-read" posts, etc. There's often tons to read in any given day that seems increasingly short on time. So if a "listening" writer reads "I hate this storyline with 1000 words following on why and then ending with a "what they shoulda done.."" maybe they aren't really getting the full picture of what the fans are asking for. What I mean is, at some point, complaints just become "noise" and no one hears anything beyond "I'm not happy with this". They never get to the constructive part of the criticism.

Maybe we should put together a 10 (100?) point plan to save Days, everybody sign it and send it in. Course, everybody would have to agree and that doesn't seem likely. This show excels like no other at pitting fanbases against eachother.
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I'll just copy and paste the comments I made about the interview on my own site.

I liked the interview once Matt started going off on tangents. He spoke about and brought up the issues I wanted to hear from him on. The interviewers didn't ask very good questions, especially opening the interview out asking ' is there anything you would like to say to your fans?' That would be something to close out with not open up with. I didn't think the callers questions added much they were to much of broad open questions.

But I really liked it when Matt just started rollin' on his own.

One other thing I didn't like was that no one challanged him. They all just nodded and yes and agreed with everything he said.

When it came to some of the stuff about fans not liking the storyline last fall and just wanting Jack and Jennifer together, that tptb listened to the fans and ended the story, and that we should just be happy they are just on the show and don't care what the story is.. That I DO NOT Agree with.

First, from what I saw on the web and what my own feelings were. I didn't not like the story because Jack and Jennifer weren't together, or because Daniel was even in the picture but for a few different reasons.

1 - Jennifer was written WAY Out of Characters. The compassionate, out to help everyone, take in every homeless person there is Jennifer Rose was not who we saw. She was being written as mean, cold and heartless.

2. His saying the Jennifer saying she couldn't be with someone who wasn't happy was a good thing. I think he said that in another interview as well. WHAT! If it were 1990 YES. It would make sense. It doesn't make sense saying it to a man who we know, who Jennifer knows and who he knows is suffering from PTSD and had just come home from being help captive in a cave and tourtured for year and just had a breakdown right in front of you a few episodes before. That's just cold and heartless.

3. SO many people I saw were not clamoring for Jack and Jennnifer to just get back together. They wanted Jack to stand up for himself, to be a man, to not keep groveling at her feet and saying how awful he is and taking blame for everything. People wanted Jack to leave her, move on and find someone new. There was so much talk on the net about Jack with Nicole- Billie - someone from the ptsd support group. People were VERY willing to give Jack and Anyone a chance. TPTB were NOT listening on that front.

And in turn, people were saying how THAT would make for good story of Jennifer and Jack being APART but secretly longing.

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4. You can't have it both ways. You can't tell fans to just sit back and take it and don't say a word just be happy with what ya have making it sound like blaming the fan for wanting to much which ended the story and ended his stay on DAYS, when he has also been on the otherside.

In 1991, it was the FANS that balked and make NBC step in and keep him on.
It was the fans clamoring for his return over the years that HAS brought him back so many times. And their continued support in trying to get him back on the show even now.

I was listening to the interview and found myself debating Matt on certain points. The majority I agreed with him on, but there were a few things that I didn't agree with him on. And isn't exactly what was happening.. at least not what I saw. I would have liked if someone would have challanged him on that
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DesignatedShelley
Jul 19 2012, 03:52 PM
One thing the interview suggested to me -- going off of what esp13 posted -- is that fan feedback has to become a lot more precise otherwise it's going to be poorly interpreted by TPTB. Matt said that there simply was never a plan B for J/J/D, it was either going to be That Story or nothing at all, and that's not ideal and it doesn't speak well of the writers that that was a reality, but what is a fan to actually do about it? Perhaps, since supposedly NBC/Sony/whatever other TPTB are listening now more than they have been before, there needs to be more dialog about what to do when a story tanks. It's not really good soap writing to have no plan B, but I can't think of a way to compel the writers to remember that.

I don't blame Matt for being a realist about it all though. It's got to be tough taking the principled stance for decades and getting nothing in return for it but a shaky financial future. It's easier for fans to take on that fight than actors, so I have no problem doing it if I could think of a way to do it effectively.
I haven't listened to it yet, but this just sounds like a cop out to me. They've gotten more negative feedback for other, more prominent stories than what they got for the J/J/D triangle. Those stories didn't just up and disappear. Besides, they also got a lot of positive feedback on those characters and that positive feedback actually got some mainstream attention. They used that as an excuse. I truly doubt Jack was a part of MarDar's plan.
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Dreamer
Gone, But Not Forgotten!

If TPTB were listening to the fans, SC would be fired. SC is not a must have on "DAYS", he's definitely -- not young, at 47. His character is a lame slimeball, really has no history, is not intriguing or involved in anything more than laying women in bed.

I for one, did not like the SL of the J/J/D and was bothered most by Jennifer's unrecognizable character. The SL was just not written well and I just do not buying into the Dannifer vs what agnst should have been written for JnJ. Poor story writing killed this MA, not the fans.

What is the difference between watching MR & SC on screen over MR & MA, and please don't tell me it is age. TPTB are idiots for making the wrong choice.

Good luck to TomSell if they keep their old hags (MR & KA) and write them for with new men, I can certainly see KA getting a earful from BOPE fans, just as MR did from JnJ fans.
Edited by Dreamer, Jul 19 2012, 09:46 PM.
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I think what put the triangle on the road to oblivion was the overwhelmingly negative feedback to the Dan the Eggbaby story. Based on the timing of SC's absence, that's what caused TBTB to panic and send Dan off the canvas, which in turn completely disrupted J/J/D's s/l. Maybe they had intended to resume it when SC came back, but by then the reaction to the triangle was so bad that I think MarDar? NBC? just said, screw it, why bother and they all got back burnered.
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Dreamer
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SC is not required on DAYS, eggbaby or not. There are so many other actors/characters, currently on and off screen that have been weel written, that are interesting etc. that could easiy replace the mess of "Daniel". For the life of me, I still can't figure out why TPTB tried and are trying so hard to keep him on the show. TPTB obviously don't listen to the fanbase. Dannifer 2.0 will be blasted 10x more, especially if Jack has been killed out of Jennifer's life, to do so. I am not a soap writer, but an a loyal soap watcher and it doesn't take much to see what the ramifications of that are going to be.
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I think the biggest problem with returning to Dannifer is the way they were treated after they were dropped -- there hasn't really been enough story maintained for it to make sense to go back there. It was the same problem with Dan and Chloe. I like Dan, and I don't mind the serial relationships, as much I mind the lack of bridging. Now he and Nicole have built up some support, so I hope it makes sense if they really do turn back to Dan and Jen.
Edited by granolagirl, Jul 19 2012, 10:08 PM.
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Jul 19 2012, 09:45 PM
Good luck to TomSell if they keep their old hags (MR & KA) and write them for with new men, I can certainly see KA getting a earful from BOPE fans, just as MR did from JnJ fans.
I personally wouldn't describe either of them that way. I think they are both wonderful and beautiful women, and both have given a lot to the show.
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Dreamer
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No to Dan, period! The old Jennifer Horton Deveraux is what I wanted to see, I don't the latest version from the writers.
Jennifer Horton Deveraux R.I.P., MR will be eaten alive is there is not a lenthy and formal grieving period, if Jack dies. Writers were better off, letting Jack leave and move on with his life after seeing Jennifer happy Dr. D. Epic fail on all fronts. Killing Jack, to save Jennifer for Dan, makes me sick.
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Dreamer
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Lucky
Jul 19 2012, 10:13 PM
Dreamer
Jul 19 2012, 09:45 PM
Good luck to TomSell if they keep their old hags (MR & KA) and write them for with new men, I can certainly see KA getting a earful from BOPE fans, just as MR did from JnJ fans.
I personally wouldn't describe either of them that way. I think they are both wonderful and beautiful women, and both have given a lot to the show.
MR and KA are indeed very beautiful woman, ITA, but they are not 30 something anymore. If the show is going 'young', KA and MR need the boot, just as much as PR and MA. Perhaps instead of calling DAYS "agiest", I could call them "sexist". As a woman who watches soaps, I am more intrigued by the male actors over the female ones, I enjoy couples over bed-hopping and romance over sex. I like meaty characters over flash in the pan types and like longer SL over short ARCS. I hate the term vets, as DAYS' currently only real newbies were MAD & Ian, they rest have had their fair share of story telling and so I consider them all on the same playing field. I hope you see where I'm going with this.
Edited by Dreamer, Jul 19 2012, 10:36 PM.
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Jul 19 2012, 09:18 PM
I'll just copy and paste the comments I made about the interview on my own site.

I liked the interview once Matt started going off on tangents. He spoke about and brought up the issues I wanted to hear from him on. The interviewers didn't ask very good questions, especially opening the interview out asking ' is there anything you would like to say to your fans?' That would be something to close out with not open up with. I didn't think the callers questions added much they were to much of broad open questions.

But I really liked it when Matt just started rollin' on his own.

One other thing I didn't like was that no one challanged him. They all just nodded and yes and agreed with everything he said.

When it came to some of the stuff about fans not liking the storyline last fall and just wanting Jack and Jennifer together, that tptb listened to the fans and ended the story, and that we should just be happy they are just on the show and don't care what the story is.. That I DO NOT Agree with.

First, from what I saw on the web and what my own feelings were. I didn't not like the story because Jack and Jennifer weren't together, or because Daniel was even in the picture but for a few different reasons.

1 - Jennifer was written WAY Out of Characters. The compassionate, out to help everyone, take in every homeless person there is Jennifer Rose was not who we saw. She was being written as mean, cold and heartless.

2. His saying the Jennifer saying she couldn't be with someone who wasn't happy was a good thing. I think he said that in another interview as well. WHAT! If it were 1990 YES. It would make sense. It doesn't make sense saying it to a man who we know, who Jennifer knows and who he knows is suffering from PTSD and had just come home from being help captive in a cave and tourtured for year and just had a breakdown right in front of you a few episodes before. That's just cold and heartless.

3. SO many people I saw were not clamoring for Jack and Jennnifer to just get back together. They wanted Jack to stand up for himself, to be a man, to not keep groveling at her feet and saying how awful he is and taking blame for everything. People wanted Jack to leave her, move on and find someone new. There was so much talk on the net about Jack with Nicole- Billie - someone from the ptsd support group. People were VERY willing to give Jack and Anyone a chance. TPTB were NOT listening on that front.

And in turn, people were saying how THAT would make for good story of Jennifer and Jack being APART but secretly longing.

and
4. You can't have it both ways. You can't tell fans to just sit back and take it and don't say a word just be happy with what ya have making it sound like blaming the fan for wanting to much which ended the story and ended his stay on DAYS, when he has also been on the otherside.

In 1991, it was the FANS that balked and make NBC step in and keep him on.
It was the fans clamoring for his return over the years that HAS brought him back so many times. And their continued support in trying to get him back on the show even now.

I was listening to the interview and found myself debating Matt on certain points. The majority I agreed with him on, but there were a few things that I didn't agree with him on. And isn't exactly what was happening.. at least not what I saw. I would have liked if someone would have challanged him on that
I disliked the storyline for many of the same reasons, and also for its overfamiliarity. How often have J&J been shoehorned into a triangle with her latest man of the moment? It sucked the first five or six times they tried it, and it wasn't any better this time around.

I wish I knew why MA keeps fixating on Jennifer's "happy man" comment and trying to defend it as some profound insight or pearl of wisdom. Because, in my opinion, it was one of the cruelest, most hateful, indefensible things she could have said to Jack under the circumstances. And it made her look unforgivably shallow, self-absorbed, and callous. There are times when it's appropriate to criticize your partner's character flaws and low self-esteem, but not when he's suffering from PTSD, feels isolated and alone, and had a breakdown in front of you just days before. Plus, the way the lines were written and the way MR delivered them (full of spite, venom, and contempt), Jennifer's whole demeanor smacked of "I don't care if you're hurting. It's not my problem anymore. If you can't just be happy, then I don't want you. And now, just for kicks, I'm going to falsely accuse you again of something you've already denied because I couldn't be bothered verifying the facts for myself." That was the moment my Jennifer-fatigue tipped right over into Jennifer-loathing--and never quite tipped back in spite of the insta-reunion. After that, I was more than ready to see Jack test the waters with someone else.

I also wish I knew why MA thinks Daniel is "a happy man" (I think he said something like this in another of his exit interviews). Uh, no. A "happy man" who's secure and comfortable with himself doesn't need to turn every interaction with another male into a competition. Or act all butt-hurt whenever he sees evidence of his girlfriend's lengthy history with her ex-husband. And a "happy man" doesn't continually troll his patient roster in search of his next lay.

Fans wanted a storyline for Jack, not merely J&J. They thought they might be getting that with the PTSD angle, and that development received a fair amount of positive attention in the soap press. (It ended up garnering the show a Prism Award and a Best Writing Emmy for heaven's sake!) There was absolutely no excuse for TIIC dropping the ball on that, and that decision had absolutely nothing to do with viewers who hated the J/J/D triangle for whatever reason.

Sigh. This is turning into a rant, so I think I'll stop right here. MA is a fine actor, a loyal friend, and an articulate, thoughtful interview subject. But he's clearly not infallible when it comes to analyzing fan reaction or the reasoning behind the reaction.
Edited by Romancer66, Jul 19 2012, 10:48 PM.
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I'm sick of being bashed for not liking MR or Bitchifer.
And I'm sick of the fans being blamed for the lack of J&J airtime.
If the show, writers or actors serve up shit - fans have every right to complain and walk away. They are NOT obligated to eat that shit and say "thank you."

Absolute BS.

Fans and "super couples" are NOT the problem.
NO ONE was asking for an insta J&J reunion.
I heard lots of fans bemoaning OOC writing, superficial angst, and missed story line opportunities.
Lots of fans were open to J&J parting ways. They just wanted good, compelling DRAMA that made some logical sense. I don't think we were asking for too much.
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I had such high hopes when MA returned. That, however, was quickly dashed from the very first scene when he fell in the cake. I could have even understood Jennifer's anger with Jack's decision had it not been for how she was written for at that time. I don't ever recall Jennifer being that mean and heartless. If she was going to move on to make the triangle that was fine but write a good storyline for these three. There were so many things I was wanting for the character of Jack--seeing him get stronger emotionally, connecting with Adrienne, Abigail, scenes with his namesake, Jackson and the list goes on. What we got was a few thrown together scenes that, in the end, didn't make any sense to anyone. Jennifer wasn't the Jennifer we all knew, Jack was a mess and they threw Daniel in the mix for some drama...for me, that's the most disappointing thing. I will really miss Matthew Ashford's Jack, the Jack from the late 80"s and early 90's--that's the Jack AND Jennifer I miss.
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I know there's sentiment against Missy and to be honest I have questioned her responses too, but to call her and Kristian hags solves nothing. If you must, you will, but I don't think it has to go that far.
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Jul 19 2012, 10:34 PM
HJBJDJ
Jul 19 2012, 09:18 PM

I was listening to the interview and found myself debating Matt on certain points. The majority I agreed with him on, but there were a few things that I didn't agree with him on.
MA is a fine actor, a loyal friend, and an articulate, thoughtful interview subject. But he's clearly not infallible when it comes to analyzing fan reaction or the reasoning behind the reaction.
I feel the same as the two of you on this. I wanted someone to challenge him on some of his statements. If I had known about this interview in time to listen live, I would have tried to call in. The quickie reconciliation was not what JnJ fans wanted. Also, when he talked about Daniel's "checkered past," I had to roll my eyes. Jack had checkered past. Steve had a checkered past. A checkered past can add to a character's complexity. But Daniel? He's just got an empty past with a fetish for patients and an ease of moving from woman to woman. Besides, if the show had been acknowledging Dan's "checkered past" that would have somewhat negated Jennifer's supposed reason for wanting to be with him over Jack. Now Nicole is giving it lip service, but whatever.

I do think MA is a wonderfully thoughtful actor, and I appreciate him for trying to keep Jack as Jack over the years. Though I think it led to his firing in 93, I admire it. And he tried to hang on to Jack's essence throughout some very bad writing, but sometimes I feel like he too falls into the trap of looking for a challenge at the expense of a story that makes sense or is true to character, but I think it's Jennifer's character he was failing to analyze properly here. Also, when he talked about being open to Kate/Jack back in the day, I wondered exactly what he meant, because I could never buy that Jack would have cheated with Kate . . . maybe in a weak moment of despair, but seriously, he managed to resist Jennifer, with whom he was hopelessly in love and to whom he was wildly attracted for a long time, so I'd have had trouble buying he'd not be able to resist Kate. But I suppose that's neither here not there at this point.
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I just have to apologize for the yucky (and unintended) pun that could be read into Nicole giving Dan's past "lip service." Sorry about that.
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If the reason for dropping the J/J/D storyline was because of fan backlash why was the response from TIIC to kill off Jack again? The majority (if not all) the complaints were from JnJ and Jack fans. Does this not tell the writers that it is JnJ's story that people preferred to see and that Dan was the third wheel? How does getting rid of Jack constitute listening to the viewers? Do they really think people are going to accept Dannifer more now that Jack is gone? I just don't understand that reasoning. Also Jack fans were very vocal about not wanting to see Jack killed for the 999th time yet that is exactly what it sounds like we're getting. Why not just be honest and say they have no time for the character? Don't blame the long-suffering JnJ fans just because they want their ship.
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