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Monday July 23rd Daily Discussion
Topic Started: Jul 20 2012, 01:57 PM (13,054 Views)
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rachelgreen
Jul 22 2012, 09:36 PM
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Jul 22 2012, 09:23 PM
Kali
Jul 22 2012, 05:59 PM
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Jul 22 2012, 05:33 PM

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I think they're making it clear that Ejami is the rooting couple for NOW. Who knows how long they will be written that way. (I personally hope for a long time). The difference that I'm seeing (and I really hope I continue to see) is less of the confusing crumb-throwing that has been the hallmark of the Sami-centered pairings for years.
They're not a couple yet ..... she still loves/is with Lucas.
does she? hmmm, you would not know it the way she is acting....

not to mention she has not said once to lucas even when he is pouring his heart out to her.
Thursday 19th July

she (Sami) says "stop it stop i'm with lucas"



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I vent or am critical about scenes I have seen or about what I've read in day ahead's/summaries. I made the mistake of reading Monday's and watching clips and scenes from tomorrow's show. So I posted about it. I may lurk when I am not watching just to see what's going on, but not post. But I don't even think I will be doing that for a bit. I am not in the habit of just complaining to hear the sound of my own typing. ;)

Although I do love to talk.

And write long posts no one will read. =)

The thing about not watching for a few epis and then resuming for a day or two, is that I get to be surprised all over again by Kate's fashions. Were those puke green leggings I saw? Oh Kate.
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Jul 22 2012, 09:44 AM
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Jul 22 2012, 04:07 AM
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Jul 22 2012, 03:24 AM
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Jul 22 2012, 02:47 AM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deepfor EJ it will always be Sami, Sami, Sami.
Lucas has not ignored it. He knows its there and that's why he is telling her to make up her damn mind. And thank god he finally told her that!! phew :cheer:
My problem with that though is that Lucas already knows the answer, he's just waiting for Sami to actually verbalize it which seems strange to me. As an EJami fan I much prefer the current storyline route of Sami needing to make up her mind, but if I were a Lucas fan I'd prefer that he make up her mind for her and bow out with some pride intact. The onus is then on Sami to fight for and prove that she wants to be with him. In any event, I think once the cliffhanger stuff plays out it will be impossible for Lucas to continue ignoring what his gut is telling him. I think it will be good for his character to move on from Sami and find something else to occupy his screen time.
I'm a Lucas fan and I can tell you I would just like him to tell her what he told her back in March when he got back that he wasn't going to play the game again with her, that he was going to leave with some dignity and his pride and bow out. The shift in Lucas' writing has been sudden and I just hope there is a reason for it because I don't like what they are doing. I obviously don't want him to go back to HK, but he can do the same thing and tell her that he just can't be with her now because he doesn't want to play this game with her, then they can have him in a holding pattern for a few months until they bring someone else for him. If she can't decide then fine but he won't be around trying to commit to a relationship this way because it's bound to fail. I suspect that he won't get the chance to tell her that because by Friday she's already falling to her supposed death and I suspect that she'll be in a coma for weeks, then when she wakes up she will not remember squat.....I got a really funny feeling that there is a reason for the death row framing reference on Monday's show....that is the worse possible time that Lumi went through, and I also got a funny feeling that there was a reason for the bracelet giving a few weeks back too.....so yeah, I suspect she'll wake up and not remember falling in love with Lucas, she thinks he's still her enemy and she will fire him I'm sure.....likely fight him for custody of Allie and since Will is pissed at Lucas he will play along to screw Lucas over.
It was interesting that they brought up the death row incident, it's been ages since that's come up. I personally think the purpose of it was to highlight the fact that lumi have had their share of bad times and perhaps remind the audience that Lucas and Kate have a history of teaming up to try and bring down Sami. Based on the writing for Lucas, I don't think that there will be some sort of 'Sami is going to fall in love with Lucas all over again' scenario. IMO they are writing him as being a few short steps away from villainy. Teaming up with Kate to say, sue for custody of Allie once Sami's feelings for EJ become more apparent to him wouldn't surprise me at this point.
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jackjenfan
Jul 22 2012, 11:47 AM
I just can't ever see Sami choosing one guy to be with. She likes to have EJ and Lucus hanging on as she goes back and forth. And she has never wanted EJ enough to choose him to be with over anyone. She likes to sleep with him, but there has never been anything else with EJ for her.
That's the part of the storyline that has to change in order for this to not become just another wash, rinse, repeat waste of screen time. I believe the point of the cliffhanger will be for Sami to finally realize and verbalize how much EJ means to her.
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Jul 22 2012, 10:46 PM
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Jul 22 2012, 11:47 AM
I just can't ever see Sami choosing one guy to be with. She likes to have EJ and Lucus hanging on as she goes back and forth. And she has never wanted EJ enough to choose him to be with over anyone. She likes to sleep with him, but there has never been anything else with EJ for her.
That's the part of the storyline that has to change in order for this to not become just another wash, rinse, repeat waste of screen time. I believe the point of the cliffhanger will be for Sami to finally realize and verbalize how much EJ means to her.
Agreed! EJ and Sami have been such a main focus in each other's lives, even when they weren't together. As James Scott said in the soap series interview, EJ and Sami only hurt each other because they can't express their love for one another.

EJ's been more passionate in expressing his love for Sami, but Sami's fought her feelings & has tried to be a boring Stepford wife to Lucas or Rafe. But Sami has a deceptive side that only EJ accepts.

It's clear that Sami's always been EJ's priority, but now it's time to see Sami give into her feelings and admit that she loves EJ too. :wub:

So excited to see an EJAMI romance!!!
Edited by Ireland98, Jul 22 2012, 11:24 PM.
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Jul 22 2012, 11:22 PM
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Jul 22 2012, 10:46 PM
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Jul 22 2012, 11:47 AM
I just can't ever see Sami choosing one guy to be with. She likes to have EJ and Lucus hanging on as she goes back and forth. And she has never wanted EJ enough to choose him to be with over anyone. She likes to sleep with him, but there has never been anything else with EJ for her.
That's the part of the storyline that has to change in order for this to not become just another wash, rinse, repeat waste of screen time. I believe the point of the cliffhanger will be for Sami to finally realize and verbalize how much EJ means to her.
Agreed! EJ and Sami have been such a main focus in each other's lives, even when they weren't together. As James Scott said in the soap series interview, EJ and Sami only hurt each other because they can't express their love for one another.

EJ's been more passionate in expressing his love for Sami, but Sami's fought her feelings & has tried to be a boring Stepford wife to Lucas or Rafe. But Sami has a deceptive side that only EJ accepts.

It's clear that Sami's always been EJ's priority, but now it's time to see Sami give into her feelings and admit that she loves EJ too. :wub:

So excited to see an EJAMI romance!!!
Maybe EJ should accept that she's just not that into him.

Even when she wants him she doesn't want him.
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I am currently enjoying the show, in my opinion the stories have picked up & gotten more interesting in the last month or so.
I have watched Days since 1987 only taking a break from 2004 to 2008 due to real life issues that kept me too busy to watch.
I think part of the reason I like the show even now is that I like almost every character, I don't always like the writing but I
roll with it since it is a soap & things don't make sense most of the time lol
Don't kill me but I am even enjoying Gabi acting so desperate & crazy over Mel & Chad . I like Abby & Cameron so far too
I am pissed Matt A is again being fired since I loved J & J since their start. Same with Caustin their whole storyline was an big fiasco . I know quite a few people that stopped watching last summer when Nadia & Crystal were fired.
As I see it it is a mixed bag no one is ever going to be happy all of the time. So I just watch what I like & I FF the stuff I find boring

Getting back on topic Monday looks good & hopefully with GT writing the show will become less boring & more entertaining
because I watch to be entertained
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Jul 22 2012, 09:21 PM
Yeah, I was in the not watching boat for several months from last summer to around February of this year. It wasn't because EJami weren't together, hell I've dealt with 6 years of WTFery on that front, but the show just sucked so bad that I found better things to do each day until I had found that I stopped watching all together. It wasn't that I quit cold turkey and made a declaration, (although I was pissed enough to threaten that a few times! lol) I just simply didn't have a reason to watch. Then a friend mentioned that EJami had the grief sex encounter and I was stunned. I hadn't seen that coming when I stopped watching. SO I then visited a couple boards, tuned into some youtube footage, took another gander at the show, and found that I really liked Will. WHAT!? DId I just say that!!?? I have hated Will since he became old enough to sound like Lucas, but what do you know!? HE brought me back to Days! Then I found that there was hope for EJami again and got interested in that, then learned that Eric would be coming back and was excited that perhaps he and Nikki could re-connect because I miss liking her. I haven't for quite some time. So now, I am hoping that they can give me some good stories and even more reason to watch, because I am hooked again and loving it! :)
I came back for Will, too! I stopped watching in the aftermath of Sami shooting EJ in the head. It wasn't just that EJami weren't together and Safe were reuniting. That I was used to enduring. It was that Sami became unrecognizable, and the show was writing her like we were supposed to be on her side. It was also that Bricole, my other fave couple at the time, were destroyed. I liked dark Brady, but what he did to Nicole made no sense. It was also the whole thing with Arianna dying, and no one caring. (I think I was one of the few viewers who liked Arianna and would have been open to an EJ-Arianna romance). It was also what happened with Danloe, another couple I liked. My skin is crawling just remembering how awful the show was when I stopped watching.

I read spoilers once every month, if that to see if it was worth my time to come back. In October 2011, I read that some good Ejami stuff was coming in November, but I didn't tune back in for that because that's just how little I cared. I came back when I read about Will's coming out story. I liked that the show was finally going to go ahead with it, and I wanted to see how Sami would deal with it. I started to watch sporadically. Then I stayed because I liked EJill and I wanted to see the February reveal. Then there was that look that Sami gave EJ during the reveal, and I was hooked again, despite the fact that I had sworn off ever supporting that coupling again.

So the points of this big long post: 1)One couple or non-coupling isn't enough to make or break the show for me, but at least one compelling story is enough to keep me watching (and one interesting premise was enough to draw me back in). 2)chemistry works for me and is more important for me than good writing. But if we have both (like I think we do right now for Ejami), I become one obsessed viewer!
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Jul 22 2012, 10:01 PM
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They're not a couple yet ..... she still loves/is with Lucas.
does she? hmmm, you would not know it the way she is acting....

not to mention she has not said once to lucas even when he is pouring his heart out to her.
Thursday 19th July

she (Sami) says "stop it stop i'm with lucas"



IMO saying you're "with someone" does not mean you love him. In this show (7/23), EJ says that Sami showed go to Lucas and tell him that she loves him, if she, in fact, loves him. Sami doesn't respond. When Lucas first came back, Sami said that a part of her would always love him, but other than that statement, the silence has been deafening from Sami when Lucas proclaims his love.

As EJ has pointed out repeatedly, if Lucas is so important to Sami, why does she keep coming to EJ, seeking him out? I think the dialogue on EJ's part, and Sami's physical reaction to him makes it clear that the man she's into right now is not Lucichihuahua.
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Jul 22 2012, 03:05 PM
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Jul 21 2012, 11:40 PM
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Jul 21 2012, 07:05 PM

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He didn't ask her to chose till the end of the convo...then he left... The other question was what was she doing there and why and she answered it, even brought up death row and the framing to justify why she felt she needed to help EJ clear his name.


jackjenfan
Jul 22 2012, 11:47 AM
I just can't ever see Sami choosing one guy to be with. She likes to have EJ and Lucus hanging on as she goes back and forth. And she has never wanted EJ enough to choose him to be with over anyone. She likes to sleep with him, but there has never been anything else with EJ for her.


i think it is quite obvious that is exactly what she is doing now finally: she is choosing ej over anyone else including lucas and her family (the bradys). i could not be any happier about it.
No she isnt choosing anyone. Just because she helps him doesn't mean she chooses him as her lover or anything. She helped him with the immigration thing in 2008, but she didn't choose him as her lover.
She looked like his lover to me and Sydney didn't come from a pumpkin patch.
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jackjenfan
Jul 22 2012, 11:47 AM
I just can't ever see Sami choosing one guy to be with. She likes to have EJ and Lucus hanging on as she goes back and forth. And she has never wanted EJ enough to choose him to be with over anyone. She likes to sleep with him, but there has never been anything else with EJ for her.


i think it is quite obvious that is exactly what she is doing now finally: she is choosing ej over anyone else including lucas and her family (the bradys). i could not be any happier about it.
No she isnt choosing anyone. Just because she helps him doesn't mean she chooses him as her lover or anything. She helped him with the immigration thing in 2008, but she didn't choose him as her lover.
She looked like his lover to me and Sydney didn't come from a pumpkin patch.
They had a ONS, she repeatedly choses other men over EJ and even though she slept with EJ she didn't commit to him at all. There is a difference
Edited by LuvingLumi, Jul 23 2012, 08:11 AM.
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They aren't writing Sami any different than in 2007/8 or even 2010. She has the hots for EJ but she don't love the fellow, not even after six years and two kids.
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Jul 23 2012, 04:05 AM
Sydney didn't come from a pumpkin patch.
Wading thru all of the stagnant discussion I needed this laugh!
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.

rpmaluki
Jul 23 2012, 08:42 AM
They aren't writing Sami any different than in 2007/8 or even 2010. She has the hots for EJ but she don't love the fellow, not even after six years and two kids.
I disagree with this...particularly the 2010 version of Sami. Back then she was all about Rafe - daydreaming about him, pining for him and using EJ to try to move on - even though she admitted freely to EJ she was still in love with Rafe.

Now? We're seeing none of that. She is with Lucas now but not proclaiming her love for him like she did for Rafe in 2010 or even for Lucas back in 2007/2008. She is going out of her way to seek EJ out, to try to help him, and to be in his presence. That's not been the case in the past - EJ always sought her out.

So I definitely see a shift in the way Sami's being written and it sounds like the spoilers this week are a good indication that will continue is a huge way.
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They aren't writing Sami any different than in 2007/8 or even 2010. She has the hots for EJ but she don't love the fellow, not even after six years and two kids.
I disagree with this...particularly the 2010 version of Sami. Back then she was all about Rafe - daydreaming about him, pining for him and using EJ to try to move on - even though she admitted freely to EJ she was still in love with Rafe.

Now? We're seeing none of that. She is with Lucas now but not proclaiming her love for him like she did for Rafe in 2010 or even for Lucas back in 2007/2008. She is going out of her way to seek EJ out, to try to help him, and to be in his presence. That's not been the case in the past - EJ always sought her out.

So I definitely see a shift in the way Sami's being written and it sounds like the spoilers this week are a good indication that will continue is a huge way.
Exactly, like EJ so aptly told Sami, he is not dragging her into anything, she is the one pushing; the one showing up at his house, the one storming the police station and this is a far cry from all EJAMI in the past.

Sami is the one doing the leg work this time ( :cheer: ) and EJ is just bringing the charm :wub:
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Of course, everyone can spec whatever they wish, and I enjoy reading them all. But I think someone whose is actually watching the show, preferably the whole show, has a better handle on what's happening, and therefore a better chance at an accurate spec. I've been watching for decades, as some of you have, so I have knowledge of the basic devices soaps, Days, and Tomsel use. But I've also watched all of every episode right up to current, so I've "worked" to gain knowledge a non viewer or a fast forward editor cannot possibly have. I might not be able to know for sure what will happen, but my specs are an educated theory, which is very different from wishful or hopeful thinking and guessing.
Edited by Shadow, Jul 23 2012, 11:04 AM.
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No she isnt choosing anyone. Just because she helps him doesn't mean she chooses him as her lover or anything. She helped him with the immigration thing in 2008, but she didn't choose him as her lover.
She looked like his lover to me and Sydney didn't come from a pumpkin patch.
They had a ONS, she repeatedly choses other men over EJ and even though she slept with EJ she didn't commit to him at all. There is a difference
I agree, I watched the show then, and Sami had love and lust for EJ but she's always chosen someone else. But as I said, I've been watching the whole show, and Sami's interactions with everyone, and everything ALL the characters are saying and doing. Whats happening now is not the same as its been in the past.

That said, I expect her to avoid making a choice as long as possible. Triangles are a soap staple, and based on what I see on screen I'd expect her to continue having Lucas and EJ if she can get away with it. From my GT experience he'd rather do EJ, Sami and Rafe, so if it will be Lucas or Rafe she tries to keep as her cake, while she eats EJ cake too, I dont know.
Edited by Shadow, Jul 23 2012, 11:26 AM.
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Jul 23 2012, 11:02 AM
Of course, everyone can spec whatever they wish, and I enjoy reading them all. But I think someone whose is actually watching the show, preferably the whole show, has a better handle on what's happening, and therefore a better chance at an accurate spec. I've been watching for decades, as some of you have, so I have knowledge of the basic devices soaps, Days, and Tomsel use. But I've also watched all of every episode right up to current, so I've "worked" to gain knowledge a non viewer or a fast forward editor cannot possibly have. I might not be able to know for sure what will happen, but my specs are an educated theory, which is very different from wishful or hopeful thinking and guessing.
Well, I agree there's a difference between people posting fanfics as guesses, and actual guesses. But that aside, if someone really IS guessing, I don't think this show or the soap formula in general is rocket science. In fact, if someone's been watching since the 80's, I can't see how that would help him/her guess what's going to happen now, as the 80's featured much longer stories, deeper character development, and multiple payoffs. We don't have any of those now. There are standard soap cliches such as someone saying "Nothing bad will happen" and then things going wrong the next week, but even those weren't in use as much before JER. As for fast-forwarding, I think the only constant with the writing teams of the past 5 years or so is that there are hardly any rooting couples, as Kenny was saying in last week's Twitter thread. So it really wouldn't matter what percentage of the show someone watches - if their couple gets broken up and put together and paired with others, which ALL of the couples have, then they probably have a good guess at what's going to happen.

Meanwhile, as long as someone isn't intentionally posting fanfic here (and if you think they are, please report it), we do welcome all speculation in the spoiler threads. It's fun to see who ends up guessing correctly!
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Jul 23 2012, 10:54 AM
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Jul 23 2012, 08:42 AM
They aren't writing Sami any different than in 2007/8 or even 2010. She has the hots for EJ but she don't love the fellow, not even after six years and two kids.
I disagree with this...particularly the 2010 version of Sami. Back then she was all about Rafe - daydreaming about him, pining for him and using EJ to try to move on - even though she admitted freely to EJ she was still in love with Rafe.

Now? We're seeing none of that. She is with Lucas now but not proclaiming her love for him like she did for Rafe in 2010 or even for Lucas back in 2007/2008. She is going out of her way to seek EJ out, to try to help him, and to be in his presence. That's not been the case in the past - EJ always sought her out.

So I definitely see a shift in the way Sami's being written and it sounds like the spoilers this week are a good indication that will continue is a huge way.
Exactly, like EJ so aptly told Sami, he is not dragging her into anything, she is the one pushing; the one showing up at his house, the one storming the police station and this is a far cry from all EJAMI in the past.

Sami is the one doing the leg work this time ( :cheer: ) and EJ is just bringing the charm :wub:
Yes! this time the writing is for Ejami and not against them, it's a big difference how it was before. ;)
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Jul 22 2012, 05:33 PM
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Jul 22 2012, 01:58 PM
I have said over and over again that the writers need to make it clear who the rooting couple is in order for the audience to care and feel invested. I feel that they are finally doing so. IMO They are finally making clear that, at least for now, Ejami is the rooting couple. It makes such a difference!
They're not doing anything different than what they've done with Safe, Lumi, Ejole, etc at various times. I think it's a little late for them to truly establish a rooting couple out of these characters. Everyone's been split for too long.
:hail: :rockon:
Personally, I'm so tired of this. No reason to go back to watching if this is what is going on, no matter who it involves. The redundancy is nuts.
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