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Tuesday, July 24th Daily Discussion
Topic Started: Jul 23 2012, 01:57 PM (15,793 Views)
Helpless Romantic


emma mia
Jul 25 2012, 10:06 AM
Helpless Romantic
Jul 25 2012, 10:00 AM
emma mia
Jul 25 2012, 09:57 AM
Helpless Romantic
Jul 25 2012, 09:54 AM

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I was not talking about future because quite frankly I hope there is not one outside of hi and hello; I was talking about twhat their relationship was.

Besides EJ being interloper to true love is being squashed by everything we are seeing onscreen right now; Rafe got betrayed with his biggest enemy and Lucas is currently being set aside; and here is hoping for more of the same :cheer:
We will see the only hing the PTB are consistent on is playing us all and changing everything on a dime pepeatedley. I also want to make clear that I was replying orginally to your "and it would be" comment which is why I listed the instances that were just abouty SAFE and not EJ.
future sl have nothing to do with my comment, and those listed for before we still about EJ!
My point is that SAFE falling in love had NOTHING to do witt EJ. They were alone TOGETHER for months without outside interference became friends and grew to really care about each other and the others well being. So I will disagree respectfully. Rafe was risking his life for her got beat up almost bled to death went out and got her the penguins. When he had a high fever she took care of him. While circumstances because of the mayors killing brought them together, falling in love with each other had nothing to do with EJ in fact after getting together once coming back to Salem it was "
EJ Who?" and she was ALL about Rafe from 2009 - 2011
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Lil
Jul 25 2012, 10:13 AM
Sonny, I cannot believe you slept on that nasty DNA-laden sofa. You need to get yourself checked out PRONTO!

Weirdly enough I found Chad almost tolerable. He's by no means GOOD, but better than usual.

Was it just me or did it look like Agent Spencer was the one who grabbed SaMANhands?

That's all I got. To be honest, so far this "big cliffhanger week" had started off rather dull.
I thought it looked like the cop who kept interrupting EJAMI, his 5 o'clock shadown and sideburns seemed to be the same.
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Helpless Romantic
Jul 25 2012, 10:14 AM
emma mia
Jul 25 2012, 10:06 AM
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Jul 25 2012, 10:00 AM
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Jul 25 2012, 09:57 AM

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We will see the only hing the PTB are consistent on is playing us asll and changing everything on a dime pepeatedley. I also want to make clear that I was replying orginally to your "and it would be" comment which is why I listed the instances that were just abouty SAFE and not EJ.
future sl have nothing to do with my comment, and those listed for before we still about EJ!
My point is that sSAFE falling in love had NOTHING to do witj EJ. They were alone TOGETHER for months without outside interference became friends and grew to really care about each other and the others well being. So I will disagree respectfully.
yes we will have to agree to disagree given that when the safehouse scenes aired Sami was very much still mooning over EJ!
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Jul 25 2012, 10:13 AM
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Jul 25 2012, 10:11 AM
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Jul 25 2012, 10:04 AM
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Jul 25 2012, 10:02 AM

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I don't think of Johnny as a particularly healthy child. And he shouldn't be with parents like his. I also don't think his relationship with Rafe is contrived. Johnny seems like the kind of kid that would wonder off and be friendly with any stranger.
Perhaps he shouldn't be well adjusted, but the show has given us no indication that he isn't. Even your point about him being fast friends with everyone kind of rules out him being so furious for so long. He seems to be quite cheerful all the time, except when they needed him to be different for a plot point. His attachment to Rafe isn't contrived, but his attachment to Rafe to the exclusion of the father who was in his life is. His need to call Rafe daddy, while Allie, who didn't have a father in her life didn't, was contrived. Rafe sending over a special gift for Johnny while ignoring the girls, and even Will, was contrived.
His (previously strained) relationship with EJ is contrived but that's separate from his relationship with Rafe.
I'd agree if this were real life, but in my opinion, it's clear that the show purposefully set things up the way they did to juxtapose the (conveniently slowly crumbling) EJohnny bond with Rafe and Johnny's. R2 was a direct result of all that.
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Here's what I don't get. I think Lucas and Rafe both care about Johnny and Sydney, so I don't get why they repeatedly try to cut EJ out of their lives. It's obvious by now that when they try to get rid of EJ, he retaliates and fucked up shit eventually happens that hurts the kids even more. It seems that Ejami has finally figured out that they need to co-parent so why can't others let them try that tact for awhile?
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emma mia
Jul 25 2012, 10:17 AM
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Jul 25 2012, 10:14 AM
emma mia
Jul 25 2012, 10:06 AM
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Jul 25 2012, 10:00 AM

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future sl have nothing to do with my comment, and those listed for before we still about EJ!
My point is that sSAFE falling in love had NOTHING to do witj EJ. They were alone TOGETHER for months without outside interference became friends and grew to really care about each other and the others well being. So I will disagree respectfully.
yes we will have to agree to disagree given that when the safehouse scenes aired Sami was very much still mooning over EJ!
Yes you were given crumbs but as I said in my previous post after the safehouse she was all about Rafe and EJ couldn't stand that so enter Sydnapping and R2 because of his jealousy. etc
Edited by Helpless Romantic, Jul 25 2012, 10:22 AM.
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Jul 25 2012, 10:13 AM
Sonny, I cannot believe you slept on that nasty DNA-laden sofa. You need to get yourself checked out PRONTO!

Weirdly enough I found Chad almost tolerable. He's by no means GOOD, but better than usual.

Was it just me or did it look like Agent Spencer was the one who grabbed SaMANhands?

That's all I got. To be honest, so far this "big cliffhanger week" had started off rather dull.
I hope Spencer wasn't involved. It's nice to have an honest cop on the show who's more interesting than drying paint.
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emma mia
Jul 25 2012, 10:16 AM
Lil
Jul 25 2012, 10:13 AM
Sonny, I cannot believe you slept on that nasty DNA-laden sofa. You need to get yourself checked out PRONTO!

Weirdly enough I found Chad almost tolerable. He's by no means GOOD, but better than usual.

Was it just me or did it look like Agent Spencer was the one who grabbed SaMANhands?

That's all I got. To be honest, so far this "big cliffhanger week" had started off rather dull.
I thought it looked like the cop who kept interrupting EJAMI, his 5 o'clock shadown and sideburns seemed to be the same.
Could be. That was just a very quick reaction. I didn't bother to re-watch the scene to check either lol There has been nothing rewindable in months....Not even an unintentional funny.
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Helpless Romantic
Jul 25 2012, 10:20 AM
emma mia
Jul 25 2012, 10:17 AM
Helpless Romantic
Jul 25 2012, 10:14 AM
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Jul 25 2012, 10:06 AM

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My point is that sSAFE falling in love had NOTHING to do witj EJ. They were alone TOGETHER for months without outside interference became friends and grew to really care about each other and the others well being. So I will disagree respectfully.
yes we will have to agree to disagree given that when the safehouse scenes aired Sami was very much still mooning over EJ!
Yes you were given crumbs but as I said in my previous post after the safehouse she was all about Rafe and EJ couldn't stand that so enter Sydnapping and R2 because of his jealousy. etc
my EJAMI crumbs aside, the fact remains from beginning to end their relationship was all about EJ!

The Sydnapping was not motivated by EJ wanting Sami; in fact it was the opposite at that time, it was his revenge for the attempt to keep him from his child. He wanted Sami to pay, be alone and hurt!

as for Rafe 2, it was driven by the role played in his children's lives!

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MissLola
Jul 25 2012, 09:23 AM
julieg1977
Jul 25 2012, 09:12 AM
Liz<3Days
Jul 25 2012, 08:57 AM
CarlD2
Jul 25 2012, 08:38 AM
Even if Rafe/Sami are on the way back together I think it's a mistake to start this back up so quickly, when Lucas is still in the story. Too many men.
But when has Sami recently chosen someone stable...oh yeah Rafe.

I also think it would be rushing if they got together so quickly. But its also far past time that Rafe and Sami acknowledged each other. What MarDar loved to do is break up couples and not have them share scenes for months. Then theyll get one scene and another month of ignoring each other. Its not angst, its isolation.

I think SAFE need to be start sharing scenes, not romantic, just friendly, like "how are you," type stuff. Then have a story where they have to be together for longer periods of time. Then they finally talk things out. Then they make up and little Rafela or Samuel on the way!
I don't know. Caroline is getting so old. It seems mean to make her watch another kid... ;)

I said the same thing, (not that I WANT Sami and Rafe together...ewww)...BUT, right now there is no need for them to be in each other's orbit and they can't say it's for the kids, so Days would need to come up with some reason for them to interact if Safe were going to be reunited. Just throwing them back together would be hard because there is really no reason for them to interact at this point. Lumi and EJami always have an "in" because they share kids. Although I'm surprised Rafe didn't try to get visitation rights on Lucas' and EJ's kids seeing as how he LOVES other men's children! lol
There is plenty of reason for them to interact. They are in the middle of a divorce and have 4 years of history together as a couple. He has a bond with his her kids. If they are not able to work it out, at least they need to gain some closure so that both can move on to something else. Every good story needs a beginning, middle and end.
I'm all for a definitive END to the Safe suckfest! :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer:
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Helpless Romantic
Jul 25 2012, 10:20 AM
emma mia
Jul 25 2012, 10:17 AM
Helpless Romantic
Jul 25 2012, 10:14 AM
emma mia
Jul 25 2012, 10:06 AM

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My point is that sSAFE falling in love had NOTHING to do witj EJ. They were alone TOGETHER for months without outside interference became friends and grew to really care about each other and the others well being. So I will disagree respectfully.
yes we will have to agree to disagree given that when the safehouse scenes aired Sami was very much still mooning over EJ!
Yes you were given crumbs but as I said in my previous post after the safehouse she was all about Rafe and EJ couldn't stand that so enter Sydnapping and R2 because of his jealousy. etc
See, that is the point, people view things differently. From where I sat, it seemed the whole reason Sami didn't share her preg. with EJ and was dreaming of him in WP but wouldn't tell him was because SHE was jealous of Nicole and the elevator fiasco. That is how it was written. That once she saw EJ with Nicole, she no longer wanted to share his child with him and while she dreamed of him in WP, she refused to give into her feelings because of jealousy. Remember the wedding announcement in the paper scene?? Then she turned to Rafe as a safer option (pun intended) because she didn't want to face the whole situation with EJ. The WP and Safe was written very clearly to me, as EJami angst, then they went with Safe and EJole and now here we are, back at EJami.
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Jul 25 2012, 10:30 AM
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Jul 25 2012, 09:23 AM
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Jul 25 2012, 09:12 AM
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Jul 25 2012, 08:57 AM

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I don't know. Caroline is getting so old. It seems mean to make her watch another kid...

I said the same thing, (not that I WANT Sami and Rafe together...ewww)...BUT, right now there is no need for them to be in each other's orbit and they can't say it's for the kids, so Days would need to come up with some reason for them to interact if Safe were going to be reunited. Just throwing them back together would be hard because there is really no reason for them to interact at this point. Lumi and EJami always have an "in" because they share kids. Although I'm surprised Rafe didn't try to get visitation rights on Lucas' and EJ's kids seeing as how he LOVES other men's children! lol
There is plenty of reason for them to interact. They are in the middle of a divorce and have 4 years of history together as a couple. He has a bond with his her kids. If they are not able to work it out, at least they need to gain some closure so that both can move on to something else. Every good story needs a beginning, middle and end.
I'm all for a definitive END to the Safe suckfest! :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer:
:cheer: :cheer:

fongers crossed ;)
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emma mia
Jul 25 2012, 10:26 AM
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Jul 25 2012, 10:20 AM
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Jul 25 2012, 10:17 AM
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yes we will have to agree to disagree given that when the safehouse scenes aired Sami was very much still mooning over EJ!
Yes you were given crumbs but as I said in my previous post after the safehouse she was all about Rafe and EJ couldn't stand that so enter Sydnapping and R2 because of his jealousy. etc
my EJAMI crumbs aside, the fact remains from beginning to end their relationship was all about EJ!

The Sydnapping was not motivated by EJ wanting Sami; in fact it was the opposite at that time, it was his revenge for the attempt to keep him from his child. He wanted Sami to pay, be alone and hurt!

as for Rafe 2, it was driven by the role played in his children's lives!

I disagree he wanted her alone and miserable as he was and after deciding to play hero and bring her back it was CLEAR he wanted her. So while he may have been out for revenge they had him have an epiphany and decided to bring Syd back accomplishing 1. To get in her good graces and
2. breakup SAFE. I have not disagreed with you that the SAFE SL wasn't heavily EJcentric but the story was clearly SAFE from 2009- 2011. What happens from here on out remains to be seen but they are far from done playing us all. Thats why I just wish they had balls enough to pick a guy for Sami and stick to it because this back and forth is triresome and I think we can agree there. :)
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Jul 25 2012, 10:31 AM
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Jul 25 2012, 10:30 AM
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Jul 25 2012, 09:23 AM
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There is plenty of reason for them to interact. They are in the middle of a divorce and have 4 years of history together as a couple. He has a bond with his her kids. If they are not able to work it out, at least they need to gain some closure so that both can move on to something else. Every good story needs a beginning, middle and end.
I'm all for a definitive END to the Safe suckfest! :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer:
:cheer: :cheer:

fongers crossed ;)
I don't have any "fongers" but I'll cross my fingers! lol AND toes! (Looks like you are having as many typing problems as I am today!) :laugh:
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I think the Safe flashback means we will be seeing more of Safe, remember that Ejami flashback Sami had several months back and then we had all these contrived moments that followed. I think we will be seeing that with Safe except it won't feel so contrived. :)
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Jul 25 2012, 10:30 AM
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Jul 25 2012, 10:20 AM
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Jul 25 2012, 10:17 AM
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yes we will have to agree to disagree given that when the safehouse scenes aired Sami was very much still mooning over EJ!
Yes you were given crumbs but as I said in my previous post after the safehouse she was all about Rafe and EJ couldn't stand that so enter Sydnapping and R2 because of his jealousy. etc
See, that is the point, people view things differently. From where I sat, it seemed the whole reason Sami didn't share her preg. with EJ and was dreaming of him in WP but wouldn't tell him was because SHE was jealous of Nicole and the elevator fiasco. That is how it was written. That once she saw EJ with Nicole, she no longer wanted to share his child with him and while she dreamed of him in WP, she refused to give into her feelings because of jealousy. Remember the wedding announcement in the paper scene?? Then she turned to Rafe as a safer option (pun intended) because she didn't want to face the whole situation with EJ. The WP and Safe was written very clearly to me, as EJami angst, then they went with Safe and EJole and now here we are, back at EJami.
I have never denied she wasn't jealous or that 2008 EJ and Sami werent being written for but I saw that as Sami wanting what she couldn't have or knew she could, but didn't really want EJ didn't want Nicole to have him because of their decade long rivalry. The same way she freaked over Chloe and Lucas. IMO Sami wants everyone to want her and when they do she wants someone else. LOL. Seriously though after WP the SL direction changed and since then has been one never ending merry go round of who will Sami want or be with next. I think thats sadly far from over.
Edited by Helpless Romantic, Jul 25 2012, 10:42 AM.
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Jul 25 2012, 10:34 AM
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Yes you were given crumbs but as I said in my previous post after the safehouse she was all about Rafe and EJ couldn't stand that so enter Sydnapping and R2 because of his jealousy. etc
my EJAMI crumbs aside, the fact remains from beginning to end their relationship was all about EJ!

The Sydnapping was not motivated by EJ wanting Sami; in fact it was the opposite at that time, it was his revenge for the attempt to keep him from his child. He wanted Sami to pay, be alone and hurt!

as for Rafe 2, it was driven by the role played in his children's lives!

I disagree he wanted her alone and miserable as he was and after deciding to play hero and bring her back it was CLEAR he wanted her. So while he may have been out for revenge they had him have an epiphany and decided to bring Syd back accomplishing 1. To get in her good graces and
2. breakup SAFE. I have not disagreed with you that the SAFE SL wasn't heavily EJcentric but the story was clearly SAFE from 2009- 2011. What happens from here on out remains to be seen but they are far from done playing us all. Thats why I just wish they had balls enough to pick a guy for Sami and stick to it because this back and forth is triresome and I think we can agree there. :)
This is NOT how it played out at all. EJ was planning to run off with the kids and then after a convo with Anna he got the idea to play hero, get Sami alone and dependent on him, then run off with the kids and this is when he brought Sydney back. It was only AFTER spending more and more time with Sami he had his epiphany and realised he still loved her!

2009 it was just baout anybody's game, you even mentioned the dropped Meredith sl; plenty ppl were expecting an EJAMI reunion when they got back their kid but along the way the sl changed and we know for a fact that Corday intervened in 2010 and changed direction back into SAFE; so you clear is not as clear cut as you are making it out to be.

and sure anything can change along the way, that was never in dispute.
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Jul 25 2012, 10:20 AM
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Jul 25 2012, 10:13 AM
Sonny, I cannot believe you slept on that nasty DNA-laden sofa. You need to get yourself checked out PRONTO!

Weirdly enough I found Chad almost tolerable. He's by no means GOOD, but better than usual.

Was it just me or did it look like Agent Spencer was the one who grabbed SaMANhands?

That's all I got. To be honest, so far this "big cliffhanger week" had started off rather dull.
I hope Spencer wasn't involved. It's nice to have an honest cop on the show who's more interesting than drying paint.
Seriously!! I'd keep Spencer over Creamed Spinach Mouth or Eyebrows any day!!!!
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Jul 25 2012, 10:34 AM
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I'm all for a definitive END to the Safe suckfest! :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer:
:cheer: :cheer:

fongers crossed ;)
I don't have any "fongers" but I'll cross my fingers! lol AND toes! (Looks like you are having as many typing problems as I am today!) :laugh:
its actually a deliberate mistake, bit of an inside JS joke :D
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Jul 25 2012, 10:35 AM
I think the Safe flashback means we will be seeing more of Safe, remember that Ejami flashback Sami had several months back and then we had all these contrived moments that followed. I think we will be seeing that with Safe. :)
Well Sami is still having them about EJ so apparently if this is true we will be heading for another triangle. :-/ I thought it was more likely that they would pair Rafe with Hope even though she is older, but who knows. It seems as much as many of you hate Sami you would want someone else for Rafe. (although you may not even want Safe, I don't know. I just see that you dislike Sami) He seems like he would be more into the good girls, like Carrie, although that didn't work for me. I have never been a big Carrie fan except that time she was with Mike. But then perhaps people just want a "good" Sami, (that doesn't even sound right! lol) I like her the way she is. Always have.
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