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| Chandler Massey interview with Frontiers LA | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jul 23 2012, 08:59 PM (10,592 Views) | |
| brazen | Jul 25 2012, 11:50 AM Post #121 |
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I don't think so because Will isn't in a war. He's choosing his right vs wrong, who he believes in versus a framing of an innocent person. Sami, Johnny and Sydney are his family and they're all on EJ's side. Will shouldn't have to choose who to hate based on who some members of his family hates. Sami works for EJ, Lucas works for EJ. John is a Dimera himself. Marlena's preaching just made her look as bad as Lucas in dictating what Will should do and who he should work for should be based on them and not Will himself. His job should have nothing to do with them supporting his coming out. They support him coming out, but so did EJ. "I have to hate EJ because my family says so and because they support me" is ridiculous. |
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| Partnersincrime | Jul 25 2012, 11:58 AM Post #122 |
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will was on ej side before even ej was frame will should not be ej side not because his family said so it because ej hurt will family that nothing but support if will supposedly care and love them he will not side with someone that did not nothing but hurt them |
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| lysie | Jul 25 2012, 11:59 AM Post #123 |
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Yeah...Will had plenty of reasons to hate EJ all on his own before EJ stared gifting him. Will hasn't been corrupted to dislike EJ. After the things EJ has done, wills family should be concerned about his incident with him despite their own DNA. DNA didn't make EJ do the things he did. If Will chooses to ignore that, that's fine. But it's be stupid for his family to just sit back and say do whatever feels right when they've seen the consequences o an EJ alliance before. Or they could be best buds and no one could intervene and there'd be no conflict or story at all...which is pretty much what has happened. |
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| cyndabell | Jul 25 2012, 11:59 AM Post #124 |
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How did Will go from wanting to use the letter to command respect from EJ and getting back the perks to becoming EJ's advocate you ask? It's really quite simple! WILL LOVES EJ (perhaps to his own surprise). :wub: And I love THEM! :wub: Edited by cyndabell, Jul 25 2012, 12:38 PM.
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| Partnersincrime | Jul 25 2012, 12:05 PM Post #125 |
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will hate ej enough to shoot but after spend few weeks with ej and ej is best buddy |
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| yourstar | Jul 25 2012, 12:21 PM Post #126 |
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No, but if EJ and his family personally tormented my grandparents, my mom, my father, and me to the point that I felt the need to shoot him. I think that would be justification for hating him. |
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| LonePirate | Jul 25 2012, 01:03 PM Post #127 |
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Preach it, CarlD! You have been on point with every single word in your posts from the past few pages. I wanted to single out this one in particular as it points out two of the three major obstacles that potentially are preventing a Will and Sonny relationship from taking flight and being immensely enjoyable on screen. The first reason is the complete lack of characterization and story for Sonny in recent months. Agent Spencer has had a more significant presence in Salem than Sonny has. Viewers and fans are going to need to know more about Sonny and develop a connection to him in order for a Will and Sonny relationship to have any widespread support. Hopefully that is coming soon. The second reason is obviously Chandler's indifference if not disdain for the relationship. He surely knew his character would be paired up at some point and there are no other options on contract with the show. There is never going to be an EJ and Will relationship. The show is not going to bring on some random day player to serve as his love interest as I suspect they are very sensitive to any backlash from not treating Will's personal life the same as it treats the other characters' personal lives. Short of firing Freddie and bringing on a new character in place of Sonny, there is no avoiding the eventual Will and Sonny romance. Chandler should have known all of this. Whether or not his reluctance comes from a general dislike of Freddie and thus he has been resisting the promotion of the pairing (even through suppression of on screen chemistry), I do not know. If he wants to be taken seriously as an actor, he will need to make this relationship believable even if he has to set aside his personal preferences. We know Freddie couldn't be happier and more willing to portray Sonny's love life on screen so Chandler needs to step up his enthusiasm. Lastly, there's the writing which could sink this relationship before it ever leaves the harbor. The show only seems to write their heterosexual couples in one of three ways - fighting, fucking or fleeing. None of those apply to Will and Sonny so I have no idea what they will do. Will it be written with the same level of concern and care they devoted to Will's coming out story? Or will it be written as too fast or too sanitized while navigating pro and con audience pressure? Whatever is being written has made Eileen a fan so I'm optimistic at the moment. Now it's up to Chandler to drop his mealy-mouthed trepidation (and homophobia?) and adopt Freddie's enthusiasm for the relationship. |
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| elci525 | Jul 25 2012, 06:02 PM Post #128 |
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Yes, I agree! I sort of said this up-thread, but probably not as effectively. I don't think Will as written in this Ejill dynamic, at least in the past several weeks especially, is all that gray. He is firmly, firmly on EJ's side - as the plot dictates. Which is fine - that happens, but it's unappealing to me. And it's not gray. It's flipping sides a bit, which I guess is a form of gray sort of (or just flipping from one side to another), but my point is I haven't seen much nuance to his character in this dynamic. It's been forms of adoration or admiration or wanting emulate or being opportunist a little (which has the potential for gray, but it didn't pan out that way to me), to gushing on and crushing. It is maybe a new or different side to Will, but it's not gray, and it's not enough to hold my attention. I want at some point to see some kind of internal struggle or debate or high-stakes moment where Will needs to make some tough decisions. That is interesting. That shows some back and forth, some depth, some gradation. Not right away of course - I guess I could see reason or room for Will to hover around this extreme for a bit. But what's been happening with Will's character - I tired of it long ago. Edited by elci525, Jul 25 2012, 06:03 PM.
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| michr544125 | Jul 25 2012, 06:13 PM Post #129 |
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My main issue is how Chandler doesn't seem to be supportive of Wilson nor working with Freddie. Yeah, so what if Sonny wasn't your first choice for Will to be paired up with? Chandler is getting paid plenty of money to at least be supportive of Freddie and Wilson. Chandler is not in the ranks of other vet actors where they have earned the right to be so unsupportive over a story. Chandler should be happy that he was part of the first coming out story this show ever did and now is part of the first gay romance this show has ever shown. It's as if he has no excitement at all about Will being part of something landmarkish for this show. That's just disappointing. Maybe I am reading him wrong. I really want to be wrong but it is the way he's coming across to me in various interviews with what he's saying and not saying. That being said, I am still looking forward to Wilson and just hope Chandler and Freddie along with good writing make it an enjoyable story to watch. I know many doubters think Will and Sonny will just be blown under the rug with the romance but my gut feels different. I really believe they are going to show a real romance. This show has nothing to lose at this point since they are more than likely going to be canceled any way and the only thing that might save them is to start taking some chances, not only with guy-guy romance but with other stories as well. Edited by michr544125, Jul 25 2012, 06:19 PM.
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| Difficult Diva | Jul 26 2012, 05:12 AM Post #130 |
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The "issues" about the "chemistry" or lack of between Sonny and Will IS due to the shoddy writing from the folks in charge. I find it interesting that they could find TONS of things that worked for Will and his friendship with Chad and Yet, with the character that was talked about in the press for months before he started on the show, a character that is the offspring of two legendary and beloved characters on the show, there's been a lack of development for Sonny and storyline for him for almost an entire year. It's like DAYS thought "Hey, we made another legacy character gay. Well, that's enough." and got bored and disinterested in the character. That's not the fault of Freddie OR Chandler. It's the fault in TPTB. It's not enough to just have these characters existing. They need development, direction and writing to make them interesting. Right now, this whole situation reminds me of when TPTB of ATWT just stopped developing the Noah character. Noah's personality would change by a flip of a coin whenever the show wanted Luke to do something different every six months or so. Edited by Difficult Diva, Jul 26 2012, 05:32 AM.
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| Difficult Diva | Jul 26 2012, 05:53 AM Post #131 |
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It's great to have hope, but I also recall fans of Olivia/Natalia on Guiding Light, fans of Noah/Luke and Luke/Reid on As The World Turns and fans of Oliver/Kyle on One Life to Live saying those same very words in the same context/situation for those pairings. Look at what resulted: The loving ladies in Springfield were able to be together in the end, but were never EVER able to display physical and romantic love for each other THAN hugs and baking cookies. The loving pairing of cop Oliver and doctor Kyle were WRITTEN out of the show, due to "viewership decline" during their storyline. At least, baby Sierra Rose was able to stay alive and make it out of Llanview with her two daddies. Poor Luke: he FINALLY breaks up with his control freak boyfriend Noah and finds love with Reid,the surgeon he blackmailed in order to save his then boyfriend's sight at the time, which results in him having to give Reid's heart to Chris Hughes. All this happened in the last year of the show being on the air. Also, out of ALL those pairings Oliver and Kyle were the ONLY ones to have an onscreen love/sex scene (which included FIREWORKS) and that was their LAST onscreen love/sex scene before they were written off the show. |
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| michr544125 | Jul 26 2012, 07:19 AM Post #132 |
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The old writers didn't care about Sonny nor his entire family. The fact Sonny has a lot of story coming up makes this completely different IMO. If Sonny didn't have story coming up, I'd say you were right and this was repeating other stories. But Freddie said we will be sick of him by October because of how much story Sonny has coming up and how he was excited to see it play out with all of the story that Will has gotten and see it all come together. And I do take that interview at his word as he obviously wasn't just teasing with Sonny and Will, he was actually being truthful with what he said. So I do believe the new writers are invested in Sonny as a character and his parents also since they have screen time coming up as well, where as with the old writers they were all non existent. I don't even think it was so much of a slight on Sonny as it was the writers didn't care about his entire family. Trust me, I get what has happened in the past with gay couples and characters. But it's also proven the ratings were not hurt specifically because of those gay stories but instead the writing all across the board, especially with Kyle and Fish. At this point this show needs to take some risks. They are on the brink of cancellation anyway and where things are right now is not working. They need stories that all types of fans can cling to and whatever happens, happens. Edited by michr544125, Jul 26 2012, 07:19 AM.
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| Honeybees | Jul 26 2012, 08:22 AM Post #133 |
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Honestly, I understand why Chandler prefers a friendship with EJ over a romance with Sonny, given the utter indifference and/or dislike the previous writers had for Sonny. It's not rocket science to know that if you're in storyline with the writers favorite character, EJ, you're going to get more airtime and more stuff to do. Also, EJ is a villain, albeit a complex one, and that always leads to more story. He also probably feels like a dodged an insta love bullet when it comes to Sonny, because look how well things worked out for Brady and Madison. If Will and Sonny had remained friends for over a year - and Sonny had his own storyline with his own romance (even with a non contract player) - that could have been really interesting and fresh. But they didn't do that. Instead, they've been timid about Will's attachment to EJ, they've been timid about what exactly Will has been doing when he's hanging out with Neil and Brian and they've backburned Sonny so he's barely a presence - although that seems to be changing. They should just step up and have Sonny or Sami or Lucas or Marlena realize that Will has a crush on EJ. They should have EJ be more overt about using that crush to manipulate Will (though I think there's a snowball's chance in hell they would ever have their leading man sleep with Will, I think EJ probably would if it suited his purposes.) They should outright say that Will is getting "romantically" involved with the young men he's hanging out with in bars. Right now, they seem to want to play both sides. They want to be vague enough so that "sensitive" viewers will miss the implications, while playing around with subtext. But all the coyness and vagueness is becoming very annoying. But Eileen's interview gives me hope that the new writers know what they have in Sonny and a potential Will and Sonny romance. I also loved Sonny's brief scenes at the DiMansion with Will. His superpower seems to be truth telling, and if they play with that they'll have a very interesting character. At this point, the show isn't really taking a risk by having a gay romance. It can only attract new viewers. I know little about how the gay story lines affected GL or AMC, but I know ATWT held on stronger than expected in the ratings and a lot of credit was given to Luke's early gay storyline and Nuke, despite the kissing ban and general skittishness of P&G. But Luke's story, when they weren't backburning it, always was heavily integrated into the canvas. Lily's initial difficulty with Luke's sexuality did not disappear after one conversation, it was a long process. Luke was portrayed coming out to his peers as well as his family. When Noah showed up, Maddie wasn't just window dressing. Unlike Gabi, she was a character with her own romantic history and her feelings about Noah's sexuality were portrayed as relevant and important - and she wound up sucking up her own pain and supporting them. When Reid showed up, they actually had a very soapy triangle that was very much in the tradition of what ATWT did with straight characters like Holden/Lily/Damian. In other words, five or six years ago, ATWT was doing a gay story better and it was very imperfect. With Kish, Brian Frons wanted OLTL dead, and to me he just killed anything that might attract new viewers. I think the only thing that kept them on the canvas for as long as they were was the fact that the baby storyline with Sierra Rose was a huge cross-canvas storyline. If Days does want to survive, a real gay storyline could drawn in at least some new viewers. |
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| WGuyMd35 | Jul 26 2012, 09:32 AM Post #134 |
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It was prompted by a change in writers. :o) While I'm looking forward to a Sonny & Will relationship, I can totally see why Chandler isn't excited about it. The show is playing it safe and predictable. Days has a history of not knowing what to do with couples once they are together. If there isn't a 3rd party or whos-the-daddy to cause conflict, the show sends them offscreen. A happy ending is a dead end. And it seems like the writers are going directly to endgame here. Plus, from Chandlers point of view, he's going from basically being the star of the show the past few months, in story with the two lead actors - Sami and EJ (like it or not, they are the current stars), to being put back with the teen set in the b or c level storyline with Sonny (who the writers have shown no interest in developing any deeper than Henderson or the nurse at the hospital). From an actors point of view, it's a major demotion. I doubt it's anything personal about Freddie. Freddie, on the other hand, is finally going to get a storyline, so of course he's excited. |
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| Honeybees | Jul 26 2012, 04:13 PM Post #135 |
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Overall, they just need to some way integrate Will and Sonny into the larger canvas. Will is pretty much there, but they need to do it for Sonny as well, so they will have things to do outside their romance. Honestly, they need to do that with the entire younger set. I know Melanie is leaving - but Chad and Abby need to be given connections and stories that have them interacting with the canvas as well. |
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| michr544125 | Jul 26 2012, 04:31 PM Post #136 |
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Why do you say it's a B or C level story? Every indication is that Sonny is going to be on almost nonstop for a while since Freddie said he was literally working nonstop and we will be sick of Sonny how much we will be seeing of him, which tells me Chandler may not be sharing screen time with just EJ, EJ and more EJ but instead moving into a different front burner story. I agree Honeybee the entire younger cast needs to be better integrated into the larger cast. They need their own age related stories but also involved in other stories also. The younger group needs to be pulled back together again. MarDar really fucked them up bad. It's as if none of them even know each other. We never even got a scene of Sonny meeting Cameron but the other day we see them act as though they know each other. Will never even had a conversation with his friends (besides Sonny and Gabi) that he was gay. What a mess... Edited by michr544125, Jul 26 2012, 04:54 PM.
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| Geovanne | Jul 27 2012, 09:51 AM Post #137 |
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Nice interview, thanks. |
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| sonwill | Jul 27 2012, 10:13 AM Post #138 |
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I still don't know what to make of Chandler's comments, so I've decided to just ignore them to the most part, every person has a right to an opinion and I guess Chandler just liked the friendship of Will and Sonny, but I don't think that necessarily makes him not like the romance, just that he preferred the friendship because it was "fresh". IDK, I don't think I can be too bothered with it anyways, the main importance really, for me, is that Will and Sonny seems to be coming and that's just really positive IMO, I can't wait to see that playout. |
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| WGuyMd35 | Jul 27 2012, 10:16 AM Post #139 |
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I expect it to be a b/c level storyline. The coming out story was never really A level. The show pulled back after the backlash of the first kiss, and there have been rumors they show was backing away from the gay stuff. Further, last winter, Freddie was on tv shows and doing interviews playing up Sonny's role - and he was barely on. We heard weeks in advance about the scenes with Jai Rodreiquz, and that was about 2 minutes of airtime. So, I take his "we're going to be sick of him" comment with a grain of salt. I hope I'm wrong, cause I'd love to see them front-burner, but I don't see the Sonny & Will romance getting any more airtime than Chad & Melanie or Cameron & Abby. |
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| LonePirate | Jul 27 2012, 10:40 AM Post #140 |
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I'd like to see someone ask Chandler why he doesn't approach his scenes with Freddie the same way he approaches his scenes with James. If his character was still heterosexual, he might still have been nominated; but he wouldn't have won his Emmy this year. Also, the EJ scenes would have never contained the same pizzazz if Will was straight. He consequently wouldn't have received nearly as much attention and acclaim for his role. It seems like he has developed an ego and is not appreciative of what allowed him to reach this point in his career. |
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