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Topic Started: Jul 24 2012, 01:44 PM (10,309 Views)
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Jul 24 2012, 02:27 PM
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.
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I'm still loving the support both Will and Sami are giving EJ - and the fact that Sami is not trying to hide it from Lucas but is adamantly defending her decision to do so.
The Jack scenes make me sad. :(
Thanks for the write ups, ladies!
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Jul 24 2012, 02:29 PM
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- Jul 24 2012, 02:22 PM
^ Right but at least they have an excuse for getting that wrong since we didn't really see Brady grow up on the show (not that I'd believe it would happen that way). But we pretty much saw Abby's whole life on the show (aside from a couple of years when she was very young and then the last 4 years) and Jack was a constant throughout that. They were always close and he never chose not to be in her life - except when he left her as a baby (which she wouldn't remember anyway). so did will grow up on show and yet lucas is mention absent father
show how much crappy writing it is when they try to rewrite stuff we saw on screen for years
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Jul 24 2012, 02:30 PM
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- Jul 24 2012, 02:22 PM
^ Right but at least they have an excuse for getting that wrong since we didn't really see Brady grow up on the show (not that I'd believe it would happen that way). But we pretty much saw Abby's whole life on the show (aside from a couple of years when she was very young and then the last 4 years) and Jack was a constant throughout that. They were always close and he never chose not to be in her life - except when he left her as a baby (which she wouldn't remember anyway).
I agree, but it still sucks to see characters ruin for the sake of the stupid lazy plot. I also agree about Jack and Abby. Just..... :eyeroll:
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SocRMum1
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Jul 24 2012, 02:33 PM
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.
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^ Right but at least they have an excuse for getting that wrong since we didn't really see Brady grow up on the show (not that I'd believe it would happen that way). But we pretty much saw Abby's whole life on the show (aside from a couple of years when she was very young and then the last 4 years) and Jack was a constant throughout that. They were always close and he never chose not to be in her life - except when he left her as a baby (which she wouldn't remember anyway).
so did will grow up on show and yet lucas is mention absent father show how much crappy writing it is when they try to rewrite stuff we saw on screen for years With Lucas I think Will was referring to the time he was away in Hong Kong and is rebelling at the idea that Lucas is coming back now and passing judgment on the choices/decisions Will has made. I haven't really picked up the feeling they are trying to paint Lucas as an absentee father when Will was younger.
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Jul 24 2012, 02:33 PM
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^ Right but at least they have an excuse for getting that wrong since we didn't really see Brady grow up on the show (not that I'd believe it would happen that way). But we pretty much saw Abby's whole life on the show (aside from a couple of years when she was very young and then the last 4 years) and Jack was a constant throughout that. They were always close and he never chose not to be in her life - except when he left her as a baby (which she wouldn't remember anyway).
so did will grow up on show and yet lucas is mention absent father show how much crappy writing it is when they try to rewrite stuff we saw on screen for years
I wasn't watching the screen, but when he said he could relate to how EJ felt or something to that effect, I just rolled my eyes.
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Jul 24 2012, 02:36 PM
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Look at you. You almost got yourself killed today. Sami - This wasn't EJ's fault and I'm fine. Lucas - No you're not fine and I'm not going to let the woman that I love risk her life trying to defend some guy who's thrown her under the bus a million times.
You know whose fault it is, it's Lucas's fault for telling Ian about the flash drive. Good job Lucas, keep blaming EJ for your actions and for things he didn't do. He's looking stupider and stupider. While Sami and her can't let Rafe and her father handle it because they want EJ to fry finally gets how bias they are.
because lucas not allowed to say anything about the bad stuff ej have done because how else they going to pimp ej as poor victim I got a whole "you shot him in the head, he kidnapped Sydney, he took the kids etc.." recap from Will and Sami in today's show. They're not ignoring the past to pimp anyone when they're pointing out the past.
If they're ignoring, they seem to not be pointing out who really murdered Franco. While Lucas runs around calling others murderers. Sami mentions being framed, but they dance around who the real murderer was.
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Jul 24 2012, 02:37 PM
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^ Right but at least they have an excuse for getting that wrong since we didn't really see Brady grow up on the show (not that I'd believe it would happen that way). But we pretty much saw Abby's whole life on the show (aside from a couple of years when she was very young and then the last 4 years) and Jack was a constant throughout that. They were always close and he never chose not to be in her life - except when he left her as a baby (which she wouldn't remember anyway).
so did will grow up on show and yet lucas is mention absent father show how much crappy writing it is when they try to rewrite stuff we saw on screen for years
I wasn't watching the screen, but when he said he could relate to how EJ felt or something to that effect, I just rolled my eyes. i know and will compare lucas to stefano i was you gotta kidding me
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Jul 24 2012, 02:45 PM
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Even implying that Lucas was an absentee father for the last two yeas - which, yes he was, in that he was gone - felt a little cheap. Just a little. It's not totally wrong, which is why it can stick. But Will could have emailed Lucas the same way he did Marlena, gone to see him on a school vacation or two, anything. But it's easy to go there in order to exta-boldly-underline this idea that Lucas is a clueless, out of touch outsider. They are doing a good job of it.
This writing is so transparent. Let's just strip Lucas of all his limbs and put him in a dumpster - that is effectively what his treatment so far is like. Sami sounds like a parrot repeating things EJ's said. I know this comment will come under fire and am ready for the backlash, but I don't think - I really, really, really don't think - that Lucas would not care about Johnny and Sydney, at least not say something like, "Yes, I can understand why a part of you wants to do this Sami, but...." or "I can understand, I am glad Allie wasn't old enough to see me or understand when I went to jail, but...." etc. They can still have him want to put EJ away but not have him so consumed that he is this cartoon of a one-note. I guess the intent is just to show that he is CONSUMED with hate and jealousy - and again, b/c he has tended towards the jealous before, it can work. But I see through it.
My only hope at this point is that the writers AT LEAST give Lucas a speech or moment when something finally happens to break him a bit, and he can admit the mistakes he made in handling things quite the way he did. Something, anything, please - unless this is just complete character crap-on mode.
I can hardly take more of Ejill quite like this. Glad young William is learning, but, whatever, enough said.
Edited by elci525, Jul 24 2012, 02:48 PM.
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lysie
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Jul 24 2012, 02:53 PM
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You know what irritates me more than anything? If they truly think EJ killed Stefano, they should be throwing him a parade. EJ and Samis reactions aren't very relevant to me, but absolutely no one else is in character.
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Jul 24 2012, 02:57 PM
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Look at you. You almost got yourself killed today. Sami - This wasn't EJ's fault and I'm fine. Lucas - No you're not fine and I'm not going to let the woman that I love risk her life trying to defend some guy who's thrown her under the bus a million times.
You know whose fault it is, it's Lucas's fault for telling Ian about the flash drive. Good job Lucas, keep blaming EJ for your actions and for things he didn't do. He's looking stupider and stupider. While Sami and her can't let Rafe and her father handle it because they want EJ to fry finally gets how bias they are.
because lucas not allowed to say anything about the bad stuff ej have done because how else they going to pimp ej as poor victim
I got a whole "you shot him in the head, he kidnapped Sydney, he took the kids etc.." recap from Will and Sami in today's show. They're not ignoring the past to pimp anyone when they're pointing out the past. If they're ignoring, they seem to not be pointing out who really murdered Franco. While Lucas runs around calling others murderers. Sami mentions being framed, but they dance around who the real murderer was. ej did kill people and try to kill people in cold blood and now they try portray ej is not cable to murder and did not even mention how he put the kids in danger with the all fake rafe and how ej did not just took the kids he told their mom does not love him and all the bad stuff he did to other people and ect...and the all crappy recap on today show was try to show how sami was blame to stuff ej done to her despite most stuff was ej done to her was not her fault
and they can mention lucas killing franco he did that to save his mom and they did meniton lot over years
they deliberately not leting lucas mention the bad stuff ej did the only thing he does mention something ej did not do to set up to make lucas like fool despite he have real reasons to be against ej
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Jul 24 2012, 02:58 PM
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poor officer eve nobody will mention ej responsible to her death
So true So true I was thinking that same thing. True EJ did not kill Stefano but he is in no way innocent he has committed murder before but noone talks about that. I guess we are supposed to forget that it ever happened. :shrug: He wasn't convicted of any of that, so what are they going to do with it? Lucas keeps saying EJ is horrible and deserves to go to prison anyway, Sami and will just don't care. Sami shot EJ as well as other stuff she's done and she's not in prison.
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SocRMum1
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Jul 24 2012, 03:00 PM
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.
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Even implying that Lucas was an absentee father for the last two yeas - which, yes he was, in that he was gone - felt a little cheap. Just a little. It's not totally wrong, which is why it can stick. But Will could have emailed Lucas the same way he did Marlena, gone to see him on a school vacation or two, anything. But it's easy to go there in order to exta-boldly-underline this idea that Lucas is a clueless, out of touch outsider. They are doing a good job of it.
This writing is so transparent. Let's just strip Lucas of all his limbs and put him in a dumpster - that is effectively what his treatment so far is like. Sami sounds like a parrot repeating things EJ's said. I know this comment will come under fire and am ready for the backlash, but I don't think - I really, really, really don't think - that Lucas would not care about Johnny and Sydney, at least not say something like, "Yes, I can understand why a part of you wants to do this Sami, but...." or "I can understand, I am glad Allie wasn't old enough to see me or understand when I went to jail, but...." etc. They can still have him want to put EJ away but not have him so consumed that he is this cartoon of a one-note. I guess the intent is just to show that he is CONSUMED with hate and jealousy - and again, b/c he has tended towards the jealous before, it can work. But I see through it.
My only hope at this point is that the writers AT LEAST give Lucas a speech or moment when something finally happens to break him a bit, and he can admit the mistakes he made in handling things quite the way he did. Something, anything, please - unless this is just complete character crap-on mode.
I can hardly take more of Ejill quite like this. Glad young William is learning, but, whatever, enough said. I absolutely understand your point. I hate it when they make the writing so heavily weighted for or against any one character and Lucas is certainly getting a full dose of it right now. It's such a shame because at the beginning of this run I was enjoying the more mature, calmer version of Lucas we were seeing. Still being a truth teller to Sami - but not in the shouty, huffing and puffing way he is now. One note and cartoonish are good descriptions and it's a shame.
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Jul 24 2012, 03:04 PM
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because lucas not allowed to say anything about the bad stuff ej have done because how else they going to pimp ej as poor victim
I got a whole "you shot him in the head, he kidnapped Sydney, he took the kids etc.." recap from Will and Sami in today's show. They're not ignoring the past to pimp anyone when they're pointing out the past. If they're ignoring, they seem to not be pointing out who really murdered Franco. While Lucas runs around calling others murderers. Sami mentions being framed, but they dance around who the real murderer was.
ej did kill people and try to kill people in cold blood and now they try portray ej is not cable to murder and did not even mention how he put the kids in danger with the all fake rafe and how ej did not just took the kids he told their mom does not love him and all the bad stuff he did to other people and ect...and the all crappy recap on today show was try to show how sami was blame to stuff ej done to her despite most stuff was ej done to her was not her fault and they can mention lucas killing franco he did that to save his mom and they did meniton lot over years they deliberately not leting lucas mention the bad stuff ej did the only thing he does mention something ej did not do to set up to make lucas like fool despite he have real reasons to be against ej That's Gary Tomlin for you, not a Lucas fan.
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Jul 24 2012, 03:07 PM
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You know what irritates me more than anything? If they truly think EJ killed Stefano, they should be throwing him a parade. EJ and Samis reactions aren't very relevant to me, but absolutely no one else is in character. I know, right? Wouldn't killing Stefano make EJ one of the good guys in Salem, LOL? All the other suspects were written to be "just" and "righteous" in the motivation because of all the things Steffy did to them - why aren't they just happy somebody succeeded? Or, at minimum, not very interested in seeking justice for Stefano's killer?
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Jul 24 2012, 03:07 PM
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I got a whole "you shot him in the head, he kidnapped Sydney, he took the kids etc.." recap from Will and Sami in today's show. They're not ignoring the past to pimp anyone when they're pointing out the past. If they're ignoring, they seem to not be pointing out who really murdered Franco. While Lucas runs around calling others murderers. Sami mentions being framed, but they dance around who the real murderer was.
ej did kill people and try to kill people in cold blood and now they try portray ej is not cable to murder and did not even mention how he put the kids in danger with the all fake rafe and how ej did not just took the kids he told their mom does not love him and all the bad stuff he did to other people and ect...and the all crappy recap on today show was try to show how sami was blame to stuff ej done to her despite most stuff was ej done to her was not her fault and they can mention lucas killing franco he did that to save his mom and they did meniton lot over years they deliberately not leting lucas mention the bad stuff ej did the only thing he does mention something ej did not do to set up to make lucas like fool despite he have real reasons to be against ej
That's Gary Tomlin for you, not a Lucas fan. but it strated it beofre tomlin came back with mardr tomlin just not in hurry to fix it from mardr stuff like he does to his beloved rafe
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Jul 24 2012, 03:08 PM
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In just two epis, GT has ramped up the Lucas hate and Will seeing EJ as a father figure instead of his own dad. Seriously, did BD run over GT's puppy or something?
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Jul 24 2012, 03:10 PM
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In just two epis, GT has ramped up the Lucas hate and Will seeing EJ as a father figure instead of his own dad. Seriously, did BD run over GT's puppy or something? rafe as a father figure to will was tomlin doing while ej as a father figure was mardr
lucas hate start before with mardr writing
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Jul 24 2012, 03:13 PM
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I've only seem the EJill and EJami scenes but they were really good. EJ needs someone to stand by him since Abe abandoned him immediately. I'm glad one of his supporters is Sami. Their scenes this week have been awesome.
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In just two epis, GT has ramped up the Lucas hate and Will seeing EJ as a father figure instead of his own dad. Seriously, did BD run over GT's puppy or something?
rafe as a father figure to will was tomlin doing while ej as a father figure was mardr lucas hate start before with mardr writing When he first returned I loved the way MarDar wrote him. He was mature and honest withhomself and others. His Will coming out scenes made him look really good.
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because lucas not allowed to say anything about the bad stuff ej have done because how else they going to pimp ej as poor victim
I got a whole "you shot him in the head, he kidnapped Sydney, he took the kids etc.." recap from Will and Sami in today's show. They're not ignoring the past to pimp anyone when they're pointing out the past. If they're ignoring, they seem to not be pointing out who really murdered Franco. While Lucas runs around calling others murderers. Sami mentions being framed, but they dance around who the real murderer was.
ej did kill people and try to kill people in cold blood and now they try portray ej is not cable to murder and did not even mention how he put the kids in danger with the all fake rafe and how ej did not just took the kids he told their mom does not love him and all the bad stuff he did to other people and ect...and the all crappy recap on today show was try to show how sami was blame to stuff ej done to her despite most stuff was ej done to her was not her fault and they can mention lucas killing franco he did that to save his mom and they did meniton lot over years they deliberately not leting lucas mention the bad stuff ej did the only thing he does mention something ej did not do to set up to make lucas like fool despite he have real reasons to be against ej it is not that EJ is not capable of killing someone, it is that EJ is not capable of killing Stephano which is something we have been privy too over the years; from strangling him, to the letter opener to right before he died with him shooting the wall.
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