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SOD: Days questions answered!; August 6th issue
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Jul 26 2012, 10:36 PM
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Here is a quote from the article with JS on EJ's relationship with Sami. I found this interesting. - Quote:
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You have to inject the reality into the sitution, which is that these characters have a history that includes betrayal, cheating, and lying. These things make any sort of resolution incredibly difficult, as they should be.
The fact that JS realizes that they have a lot to overcome before ever being a couple is good. I personally don't see it ever happening, just saying. All Nicole would have to say is "I want you back EJ" ...DONE!
I don't think that's actually a good trait of Nicole's. I'm admiring the fact that she's not taking EJ back. His heart has always been about Sami, which Nicole realizes, and he cheated on her with her sister. I think she can do better than a man who always sees her as the fallback. I'm hoping that Ari and Greg Vaughn have good chemistry and that Eric and Nicole are a possibility. Ari has made several references to the fact that she considers Eric to be Nicole's soul mate, now we finally get a chance to see how they work out their numerous issues. And regarding JS's comments about EJami, IMO overcoming obstacles and the show taking their time is the hallmark of a 'root-for' couple. I think the promotion from NBC has been pretty clear in that regard as well. Well said!
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Jul 26 2012, 10:39 PM
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I will believe Sami is not EJ's first choice when the following happens: 1. EJ holds a loaded gun to his head and contemplates suicide over the thought of losing Nicole. 2. EJ and Sami have sex and EJ calls out Nicoles name 3. When Sami says Why is it always Nicole Nicole Nicole For now agree to disagree. :)
I will believe Sami loves EJ when 1. She tells him she loves him 2. She has no clothes on when they make love. 3. She doesn't have a back up option waiting in the wings. I think (and hope) we might be seeing this soon :cheer: :cheer: :wub: :wub: (although I'm not sure how removal of all of her clothes is indicative of love).
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Jul 26 2012, 10:39 PM
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I don't see how this is going to be old interviews since the JS part about the attraction and not acting on it, just aired last week. The Rafe part sound current as well since there's no mention of Carrie and but Rafe's love for Sami and giving post-Olympics spoiler about a shake up for him.
Nicole and her pregnancy wasn't mentioned in the article recap, so IDK what she has to do with anything.
It might not be old but we really can't tell which set of writers he is referring to. Since Ejami went from hate to friends overnight under Mardar Ivan see the need for As and JS to state their preferences...
MarDar's been gone since March. ALL the actors interviews dating back to the Emmy's and prior has been all about GT. As for JS and AS, they're basically the Maurice Benard and Steve Burton of DAYS. They`re going to state their preferences no matter who the writers are so they can be catered to and get what they want. No matter who the writers are they`re going to get the same amount of airtime because of who they are.
We could go around in circles about this.... The scenes that aired in march were filmed in December, or january, those were the ones that had Ejami going from hate to friend overnight. Mardar were very much at the helm. The stuff we are seeing now is what was filmed in late April when tomsell was transitioning in. But as we've been told by a variety if sources including Jason the cliffhanger is mardar's work post cliff is tomsells. All I'm saying is that it makes way more sense for JS/as to approach the writers about this THEN and he just mentioned it now. All if us are speculating here... No one knows knows a damn thing So when did PR do his exit interview in this interview of SOD. Did he do it back in February or may be he did it last year?
GT's been there since April. It's August. SOD is talking about these writers. They wouldn't use quotes from last year in an article about post-Olympics. Rafe's shakeup? Post Olympics. WilSon? Post-Olympics. Bo leaving? Post-Olympics. The whole EJ/Sami slow build they're doing? .......
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Any problems that GT had with BD appear to be long gone. Bryan seems quite happy there. And as we know, we get LUMIMAGIC really soon!
That's why he's on twitter asking for more Lucas like he's a fan campaigning? I don't see AS, CM, GG or others asking for more air time on twitter.
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Jul 26 2012, 10:40 PM
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Here is a quote from the article with JS on EJ's relationship with Sami. I found this interesting. - Quote:
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You have to inject the reality into the sitution, which is that these characters have a history that includes betrayal, cheating, and lying. These things make any sort of resolution incredibly difficult, as they should be.
The fact that JS realizes that they have a lot to overcome before ever being a couple is good. I personally don't see it ever happening, just saying. All Nicole would have to say is "I want you back EJ" ...DONE! Wow lipstick on a pig in that quote, but it does sound um nicer than bullet to head, proxy r****, and dead baby to overcome especially when you inject reality and stuff :sheep:
Thanks for posting Vicky
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Jul 26 2012, 10:40 PM
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Here is a quote from the article with JS on EJ's relationship with Sami. I found this interesting. - Quote:
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You have to inject the reality into the sitution, which is that these characters have a history that includes betrayal, cheating, and lying. These things make any sort of resolution incredibly difficult, as they should be.
The fact that JS realizes that they have a lot to overcome before ever being a couple is good. I personally don't see it ever happening, just saying. All Nicole would have to say is "I want you back EJ" ...DONE!
I don't think that's actually a good trait of Nicole's. I'm admiring the fact that she's not taking EJ back. His heart has always been about Sami, which Nicole realizes, and he cheated on her with her sister. I think she can do better than a man who always sees her as the fallback. I'm hoping that Ari and Greg Vaughn have good chemistry and that Eric and Nicole are a possibility. Ari has made several references to the fact that she considers Eric to be Nicole's soul mate, now we finally get a chance to see how they work out their numerous issues. And regarding JS's comments about EJami, IMO overcoming obstacles and the show taking their time is the hallmark of a 'root-for' couple. I think the promotion from NBC has been pretty clear in that regard as well. I didn't watch when Nicole was with Eric.
What's their back story?
The only clip I have seen she is pretending to have cancer so that he will sleep with her (which doesn't exactly scream soulmate).
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Jul 26 2012, 10:44 PM
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Here is a quote from the article with JS on EJ's relationship with Sami. I found this interesting. - Quote:
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You have to inject the reality into the sitution, which is that these characters have a history that includes betrayal, cheating, and lying. These things make any sort of resolution incredibly difficult, as they should be.
The fact that JS realizes that they have a lot to overcome before ever being a couple is good. I personally don't see it ever happening, just saying. All Nicole would have to say is "I want you back EJ" ...DONE!
I don't think that's actually a good trait of Nicole's. I'm admiring the fact that she's not taking EJ back. His heart has always been about Sami, which Nicole realizes, and he cheated on her with her sister. I think she can do better than a man who always sees her as the fallback. I'm hoping that Ari and Greg Vaughn have good chemistry and that Eric and Nicole are a possibility. Ari has made several references to the fact that she considers Eric to be Nicole's soul mate, now we finally get a chance to see how they work out their numerous issues. And regarding JS's comments about EJami, IMO overcoming obstacles and the show taking their time is the hallmark of a 'root-for' couple. I think the promotion from NBC has been pretty clear in that regard as well.
I didn't watch when Nicole was with Eric. What's their back story? The only clip I have seen she is pretending to have cancer so that he will sleep with her (which doesn't exactly scream soulmate). Sami hired Nicole as a model for Bella magazine. Eric was the staff photographer. They fell in love for each other. Her sister also had a thing for him. Nicole was always insecure of her past and in the end dumped him for 5 mil for marrying Lucas.
The time Ive heard AZ talk about Eric, she's called him Nicole's first love.
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Jul 26 2012, 10:51 PM
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Here is a quote from the article with JS on EJ's relationship with Sami. I found this interesting.
Quoting limited to 4 levels deepany sort of resolution incredibly difficultAll Nicole would have to say is "I want you back EJ" ...DONE!
I don't think that's actually a good trait of Nicole's. I'm admiring the fact that she's not taking EJ back. His heart has always been about Sami, which Nicole realizes, and he cheated on her with her sister. I think she can do better than a man who always sees her as the fallback. I'm hoping that Ari and Greg Vaughn have good chemistry and that Eric and Nicole are a possibility. Ari has made several references to the fact that she considers Eric to be Nicole's soul mate, now we finally get a chance to see how they work out their numerous issues. And regarding JS's comments about EJami, IMO overcoming obstacles and the show taking their time is the hallmark of a 'root-for' couple. I think the promotion from NBC has been pretty clear in that regard as well.
I didn't watch when Nicole was with Eric. What's their back story? The only clip I have seen she is pretending to have cancer so that he will sleep with her (which doesn't exactly scream soulmate).
Sami hired Nicole as a model for Bella magazine. Eric was the staff photographer. They fell in love for each other. Her sister also had a thing for him. Nicole was always insecure of her past and in the end dumped him for 5 mil for marrying Lucas. The time Ive heard AZ talk about Eric, she's called him Nicole's first love. So was he interested in Taylor?
How long were they together before Nicole dumped him to marry Lucas?
Did she ever tell him the truth about he past or was Brady the first to find out about it?
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Jul 26 2012, 10:54 PM
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Is Theo a nickname or his full name? I think he calls him Theo... I just had to look into this. Stefano says "Theodore," so I assume that is his full name.
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MarDar's been gone since March. ALL the actors interviews dating back to the Emmy's and prior has been all about GT. As for JS and AS, they're basically the Maurice Benard and Steve Burton of DAYS. They`re going to state their preferences no matter who the writers are so they can be catered to and get what they want. No matter who the writers are they`re going to get the same amount of airtime because of who they are.
We could go around in circles about this.... The scenes that aired in march were filmed in December, or january, those were the ones that had Ejami going from hate to friend overnight. Mardar were very much at the helm. The stuff we are seeing now is what was filmed in late April when tomsell was transitioning in. But as we've been told by a variety if sources including Jason the cliffhanger is mardar's work post cliff is tomsells. All I'm saying is that it makes way more sense for JS/as to approach the writers about this THEN and he just mentioned it now. All if us are speculating here... No one knows knows a damn thing
So when did PR do his exit interview in this interview of SOD. Did he do it back in February or may be he did it last year? GT's been there since April. It's August. SOD is talking about these writers. They wouldn't use quotes from last year in an article about post-Olympics. Rafe's shakeup? Post Olympics. WilSon? Post-Olympics. Bo leaving? Post-Olympics. The whole EJ/Sami slow build they're doing? ....... - Quote:
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Any problems that GT had with BD appear to be long gone. Bryan seems quite happy there. And as we know, we get LUMIMAGIC really soon!
That's why he's on twitter asking for more Lucas like he's a fan campaigning? I don't see AS, CM, GG or others asking for more air time on twitter. I don't understand why you feel the need to be mocking about this. I think MOST of the "interview" or quotes are probably old. That doesn't have to mean that I think ejami isn't happening. My opinion of those quotes has nothing to do with writing direction and really nothing to do with the show at all. If you don't agree, fine. I've laid out the reasons I think they're old, and IMO I gave some pretty legitimate reasons.
And I've seen several actors ask us to write in for more air time for them. Obviously the ones you listed aren't doing that because they're on all the time right now.
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Quoting limited to 4 levels deepany sort of resolution incredibly difficultAll Nicole would have to say is "I want you back EJ" ...DONE!
I didn't watch when Nicole was with Eric. What's their back story? The only clip I have seen she is pretending to have cancer so that he will sleep with her (which doesn't exactly scream soulmate).
Sami hired Nicole as a model for Bella magazine. Eric was the staff photographer. They fell in love for each other. Her sister also had a thing for him. Nicole was always insecure of her past and in the end dumped him for 5 mil for marrying Lucas. The time Ive heard AZ talk about Eric, she's called him Nicole's first love.
So was he interested in Taylor? How long were they together before Nicole dumped him to marry Lucas? Did she ever tell him the truth about he past or was Brady the first to find out about it?
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So was he interested in Taylor?
Now really. He thought of her as a good friend.
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How long were they together before Nicole dumped him to marry Lucas?
Hmm...dont know...about a year? (Just guessing here.)
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Did she ever tell him the truth about he past or was Brady the first to find out about it?
Eric knew some of her checkered past because of Jay, the ex-BF who came around town threatening her.
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Jul 26 2012, 11:05 PM
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But he called Lexie "Lexie" and not Alexandra. Does that mean he didnt really care for her? :shrug:
He calls his son Johnny. And his brother Tony. And himself EJ.
And he usually refers to Abe as Abraham - maybe there's a potential coupling we missed. LOL I think I just spit my drink out all over my screen. :laugh:
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Is Theo a nickname or his full name? I think he calls him Theo...
I just had to look into this. Stefano says "Theodore," so I assume that is his full name. Theo = Theodore Brandon Carver
Thanks Jason!
https://sites.google.com/site/jason47days/dates-of-our-lives
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GT thanked him for not trying to force Lucas into the role of the winner. That sounds like a separate issue from BD's unprofessional attitude. He might keep his job, but his plea for more airtime makes me think he might be a part of the background.
I was thinking that too when I saw that tweet. It was a bit out there. I'm starting to worry about him to be honest. :unsure: I'd rather have him (minus the shouting) over GG any day of the week but I'm not writing the show nor in charge of it.
I agree about preferring him to GG. IDK how things will shake out, but the show really doesn't need both Lucas and more competent -less expressive Lucas. how things will shake out, but the show really doesn't need both Lucas and more competent -less expressive Lucas.
That is what I see happening unless Lucas goes dark
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I will believe Sami is not EJ's first choice when the following happens: 1. EJ holds a loaded gun to his head and contemplates suicide over the thought of losing Nicole. 2. EJ and Sami have sex and EJ calls out Nicoles name 3. When Sami says Why is it always Nicole Nicole Nicole For now agree to disagree. :)
I will believe Sami loves EJ when 1. She tells him she loves him 2. She has no clothes on when they make love. 3. She doesn't have a back up option waiting in the wings. Well (2) is already completed in May '08. One down, two to go!
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Here is a quote from the article with JS on EJ's relationship with Sami. I found this interesting. - Quote:
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You have to inject the reality into the sitution, which is that these characters have a history that includes betrayal, cheating, and lying. These things make any sort of resolution incredibly difficult, as they should be.
sounds like ejami are here long term and the new team is invested in the pairing. slow build is good. bed hopping not so much. I am excited about ejami slowly unfolding. The fact that JS realizes that they have a lot to overcome before ever being a couple is good. I personally don't see it ever happening, just saying. All Nicole would have to say is "I want you back EJ" ...DONE!
it is hard for me to believe that nicole ever truly loved nicole when he was fucking her own sister while married to her (nicole) not so long ago. he could have had nicole then but he chose taylor lol over her. going further, he was fantasizing about sami the love of his life while he was with nicole. not my idea of love lol. let's not forget ej moaning samantha's name while screwing nicole in the elevator. did i mention that ej cheated with nicole with sami? when sami left ej, he was so destroyed and devastated that he contemplated suicide. when nicole left him, he moved next door to sami and proceeded to rebuild his relationship with her. funny i don't see ej that devastated over nicole. just lonely. these days, he is getting all chummy with his real love and nicole is once again an after though. not exactly my idea of true love. sorry, ej loves nicole the way bo loved billie and carly or john loved kristen. nicole knows that all too well.
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I don't understand why you feel the need to be mocking about this. I think MOST of the "interview" or quotes are probably old. That doesn't have to mean that I think ejami isn't happening. My opinion of those quotes has nothing to do with writing direction and really nothing to do with the show at all. If you don't agree, fine. I've laid out the reasons I think they're old, and IMO I gave some pretty legitimate reasons.
I don't understand the disregard for certain quotes while not disregarding others. PR's interview about his exit is in here. So when was it done? It's new.
Galen talking about his character direction coming up, going through a shake up after the Olympics, also new. That's not under Mar Dar.
We may be seeing GT's work for the first time now, but these actors has been working with them for months. At the Emmy's all the actors talked about the writers, they were talking about GT when asked about the work they were doing. GG and the actors tweeting about their scenes, it's GT they're talking about.
I don't understand why quotes are picked out pulled out from this article as suddenly the actors quotes are from back in March and it is under MarDar. How is Galen talking about a shake up for Rafe under Mardar? .
They may not be from July 20th, sorry but for SOD to go get quotes from March or before that even is reaching a lot. The quotes could be from the Emmy red carpet, but it's still under GT and still relevant to what we are seeing now and will be seeing post-Olympics.
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And I've seen several actors ask us to write in for more air time for them. Obviously the ones you listed aren't doing that because they're on all the time right now.
Exactly, because they're happy with their airtime.
The quote I was replying to was implying with no basis that GT and BD were BFF's and have no problems anymore and that BD was happy. How do we know that GT and BD have no problems anymore? Lucas is being written worse than ever. BD is saying he had no story this summer (jobless, homeless, something else), he's hoping they bring on Autumn for him and asking for more Lucas on twitter. But that means he's happy and GT loves him. I don't think so.
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There is room for both Rafe and Lucas outside of Sami if the story is good. There haven't been many scenes really between the two. Still wish they would bring in Emily/Autumn, but tiic aren't going to do that. Lucas will stay Sami's don't do t guy and Rafe will stay Sami's virgin, until they move on from Sami and her once in awhile bone for you guy.
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I am just so excited about the possibility for Ejami in the future. James has me feeling confident with what he said. I can remember in the past him not even being able to comment on Ejami so this is good for me. I just hope we get more steamy scenes where James can be shirtless... those are always good!
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Here is a quote from the article with JS on EJ's relationship with Sami. I found this interesting. - Quote:
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You have to inject the reality into the sitution, which is that these characters have a history that includes betrayal, cheating, and lying. These things make any sort of resolution incredibly difficult, as they should be.
The fact that JS realizes that they have a lot to overcome before ever being a couple is good. I personally don't see it ever happening, just saying. All Nicole would have to say is "I want you back EJ" ...DONE!
I don't think that's actually a good trait of Nicole's. I'm admiring the fact that she's not taking EJ back. His heart has always been about Sami, which Nicole realizes, and he cheated on her with her sister. I think she can do better than a man who always sees her as the fallback. I'm hoping that Ari and Greg Vaughn have good chemistry and that Eric and Nicole are a possibility. Ari has made several references to the fact that she considers Eric to be Nicole's soul mate, now we finally get a chance to see how they work out their numerous issues. And regarding JS's comments about EJami, IMO overcoming obstacles and the show taking their time is the hallmark of a 'root-for' couple. I think the promotion from NBC has been pretty clear in that regard as well. Angel, :wave: I think you are right. :cheer: I don't feel that EJ ever loved Nicole completely. He married her the first time because she was pregnant. The second time was a business arrangement . He cheated on her with Taylor. I feel EJ settled for Nicole because he couldn't have Sami . He turned to Taylor cause he thought she accepted and wanted him. EJ is looking for love and acceptance . Unfortunately the person he wants to accept him is Sami. Nicole never has or will have EJ 's whole heart. He gave it to Sami a long time ago. I feel James and Ali both know and understand , the history between the two characters. They can also see the natural chemistry they have, when ever they have scenes together. I think NBC also sees this natural chemistry and that is why James and Ali did a photo shoot showcasing "Ejami's" smoking hot chemistry. :makeout: Jmo
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Jul 26 2012, 11:26 PM
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I don't understand why you feel the need to be mocking about this. I think MOST of the "interview" or quotes are probably old. That doesn't have to mean that I think ejami isn't happening. My opinion of those quotes has nothing to do with writing direction and really nothing to do with the show at all. If you don't agree, fine. I've laid out the reasons I think they're old, and IMO I gave some pretty legitimate reasons.
I don't understand the disregard for certain quotes while not disregarding others. PR's interview about his exit is in here. So when was it done? It's new. Galen talking about his character direction coming up, going through a shake up after the Olympics, also new. That's not under Mar Dar. We may be seeing GT's work for the first time now, but these actors has been working with them for months. At the Emmy's all the actors talked about the writers, they were talking about GT when asked about the work they were doing. GG and the actors tweeting about their scenes, it's GT they're talking about. I don't understand why quotes are picked out pulled out from this article as suddenly the actors quotes are from back in March and it is under MarDar. How is Galen talking about a shake up for Rafe under Mardar? . They may not be from July 20th, sorry but for SOD to go get quotes from March or before that even is reaching a lot. The quotes could be from the Emmy red carpet, but it's still under GT and still relevant to what we are seeing now and will be seeing post-Olympics. - Quote:
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And I've seen several actors ask us to write in for more air time for them. Obviously the ones you listed aren't doing that because they're on all the time right now.
Exactly, because they're happy with their airtime. The quote I was replying to was implying with no basis that GT and BD were BFF's and have no problems anymore and that BD was happy. How do we know that GT and BD have no problems anymore? Lucas is being written worse than ever. BD is saying he had no story this summer (jobless, homeless, something else), he's hoping they bring on Autumn for him and asking for more Lucas on twitter. But that means he's happy and GT loves him. I don't think so. I don't really know what the writers have to do with anything. IDK what LL thinks, but I think these quotes were from a month ago. The new writers were already in place. The PR interview is probably the newest thing, but I don't see any recycled quotes coming from him. I do in the other interviews.
Not being happy with screentime doesn't necessarily equal being on the chopping block. I think BD is probably on borrowed time, but I don't think him asking people to call or write in is indicative of that. Regardless, you don't have to mock to disagree.
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