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SOD: Days questions answered!; August 6th issue
Topic Started: Jul 26 2012, 12:56 PM (23,463 Views)
LuvingLumi
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Come on Ron, We are counting on YOU !!

Kali
Jul 27 2012, 07:32 AM
Well I think Ejami has never been given full-on root for writing before now. I think and hope the writers are trying it now. Maybe it will help the ratings. Maybe it won't. But at least it will have been tried. It makes no sense to me that it hasn't been tried yet. I wish I knew the backstory on why not. I'm not into debating numbers, but they have a fanbase. I don't get why there would be resistance to trying any coupling that might help the show, from Tptb or from fans of the show. I ended up not liking Safe, but I gave them a chance. Same for Ejole and even ejaylor (well, I only watched Ejaylor on YouTube, but I gave them a chance).
I don't see a difference in this writing for Ejami and the Ejami of 2008 that also had Sami helping Ej out with the immigration and basically pissing Lucas off because she seemed to care too much about EJ. There is really nothing different IMHO about this...Sami is once again helping Ej and Ej is once again being very nice to her. Same shit different year.
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JamaicanBeauty7
Jul 27 2012, 06:45 AM
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Jul 27 2012, 05:04 AM
For some reason JS is holding back in EJ's ardour for Samanther. He's is spending all this amount of time and has yet to make it obvious to me that he truly wants to be with her. The fact that he still tells Sami that his plan really was to spend the rest of his life with Nicole (if only she would change her mind), he hasn't deviated from that plan. He's "waiting" for Nicole to say the magic words or whatever and he'll be back to his normal self (plotting and scheming merrily along). Why is he so sad and appearing lonely he's hanging out with two of his attempted murderers? Because in boosting their egos (Will is attracted to the 'power' and money, Sami just likes the attention of a hot blooded alpha male even when she has wonderful guys laready warming her bed, she has never changed in this regard) they are boosting his.

The things EJ is saying to Sami he has said to Nicole time and time again during their on and off for the last four years. He screwed up royally and she dumped him subsequently, so he needed someone to fill that Nicole has held for four years (Nicole has always believed in him, believed he could do great things, believed he was a wonderful person despite his flaws, she has encouraged him, supported him at almost every cost because that is what she wanted to do for him) and hence the incredible wtf'ery every scene with EJ/Sami because before March 2012 this type of relationship between them was non existent.
The "for some reason" has already been explained in the article.
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He continues that the buildup to characters' getting together is what is the most powerful, especially characters with a history which includes lying and betrayal, like theirs does. He says that he and Ali Sweeney have asked that the relationship not move quickly because of this.


You're right, EJ has said that his plan WAS to spend the rest of his life with Nicole, you know like around 18 months ago, his plan was to be with Taylor for the rest of his life, or years before to be with Sami or the rest of this life. Essentially in that statement he made to Sami, his plans changed. He slept with Sami, Nicole (rightfully) believes that it's always Sami, Sami, Sami. In fact, when he was talking to Sami, he was describing how he was losing everything but he didn't know what he would do it wasn't for her[Sami]; essentially, Sami was the one person who stuck around for him when everything in his world was falling apart. We'll have to agree to disagree on EJ waiting for Nicole to say the magic words since last week he was pretty focused on getting Sami to say some magic words.

I'd agree that he's told Sami and Nicole the same thing but that he said the same thing to Sami first. He pursued her first and gave his ode to her for a significant period of time before Nicole even came onto the scene. The thing about EJ's relationships with both women, and JS has alluded to this in a interview not too long ago, is that he gets different things from them. First comes along Sami, the love of his life as EJ had stated several times, and goes after it HARDCORE. Of course, Sami doesn't bite, one of the many reasons being that she doesn't accept him. In comes in Nicole in 2008 and she accepts and loves him for him. That's great in EJ's mind, he's getting something from her that he couldn't get from Sami. But of course, even though he thinks he has what he wants and believes he can even love her at least close to how he loves Sami, his love for Sami always pulls him back into her orbit. It has shown in several ways over the years, ranging from dreams to recently grief sex. I personally think EJ wants both: an encompassing love with someone who understands him and accepts him. Who doesn't. IMO, the fact that he is alluding to it to Sami, and her slightly awkward reaction to it leads me to believe that he'll get both pieces with Sami soon. Hell, she even went to verbally encourage him to make a run for it by saying that's he's EJ Dimera for goodness' sakes, someone who has done anything and said anything to get what he wants, etc. It's not "ILY EJ for exactly who you are" but it's good step in the right direction for Sami. Still, this is just a spec and really I can't say for sure if it's going to happen; I'm not writing the show but that's what it looks like it's heading to me. I guess we'll have to wait and see how things shake out.

Bravo, JB.

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lysie


I want to clear up my argument in this. Two arguments are being treated as one and since one is mine, I want to make sure my stance is clear. Someone early on said JS might be talking about MarDar (and I think shes cleared up her stance, too). Several pages later, I said I thought the interviews were old. For me, there's no connection between the two. When I say old, I mean June. I'm pretty sure he's talking about TomSell but I really don't care. That's not relevant to my original point, though.
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I've decided I'm officially not reading any posts that say "EJAMI" multiple times. No good comes from it, just headaches lol
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I just saw the magazine and I think his "interview" are pieced together quotes from a past interview. The CM interview is in the same section and I also think its old. SOD does this sometimes with articles that are non news specific. This one was supposedly about "Soaps Hottest Stars."
Edited by Liz<3Days, Jul 27 2012, 08:40 AM.
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lysie
Jul 27 2012, 08:06 AM
I want to clear up my argument in this. Two arguments are being treated as one and since one is mine, I want to make sure my stance is clear. Someone early on said JS might be talking about MarDar (and I think shes cleared up her stance, too). Several pages later, I said I thought the interviews were old. For me, there's no connection between the two. When I say old, I mean June. I'm pretty sure he's talking about TomSell but I really don't care. That's not relevant to my original point, though.
I agree. I saw the actual interview and James talks about Lexie's death being the hardest storyline he's played which indicates that the interview happened after that - probably end of June. TomSell started in April.

Regarding Ejami, here is the exact quote:

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Q: Do you think that EJ and Sami not acting on their mutual attraction makes the story sexier?

Scott: Without question. Not only does it make for good television, I think anybody who has ever been attracted to somebody understands that the buildup to the moment of getting together is what makes it so powerful. When you have the kind of history that these characters share, it’s very difficult for one of them to concede his or her feelings for the other person. Alison (Sweeney, Sami) and I have gone to great lengths to protect that facet of these characters. We really argue against the relationship moving too quickly. You have to inject the reality into the situation, which is that these characters have a history that includes betrayal, cheating and lying. Those things make any sort if resolution incredibly difficult, as they should.

The way that JS phrases his statement in the present tense ("we really argue against the relationship moving too quickly") makes it sound like this is an ongoing push that JS and AS have with the writers to ensure that Ejami history isn't glossed over.
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Liz<3Days
Jul 27 2012, 08:23 AM
I just saw the magazine and I think his "interview" are pieced together quotes from a past interview. The CM interview is in the same section and I also think its old. SOD does this sometimes with articles that are non news specific. This one was supposedly about "Soaps Hottest Stars."
I guess it depends on your definition of "old".

To the best of my knowledge, James hasn't done a lot of SOD interviews in the past few months, but i could have missed them. Maybe he did some that never made it to print.

I also saw the article and James talks about Lexie's death (which occurred in late June) being his biggest acting challenge this year. Common sense would indicate that he addressed this question after that story aired.

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tomsawyer
Jul 27 2012, 08:56 AM
lysie
Jul 27 2012, 08:06 AM
I want to clear up my argument in this. Two arguments are being treated as one and since one is mine, I want to make sure my stance is clear. Someone early on said JS might be talking about MarDar (and I think shes cleared up her stance, too). Several pages later, I said I thought the interviews were old. For me, there's no connection between the two. When I say old, I mean June. I'm pretty sure he's talking about TomSell but I really don't care. That's not relevant to my original point, though.
I agree. I saw the actual interview and James talks about Lexie's death being the hardest storyline he's played which indicates that the interview happened after that - probably end of June. TomSell started in April.

Regarding Ejami, here is the exact quote:

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Q: Do you think that EJ and Sami not acting on their mutual attraction makes the story sexier?

Scott: Without question. Not only does it make for good television, I think anybody who has ever been attracted to somebody understands that the buildup to the moment of getting together is what makes it so powerful. When you have the kind of history that these characters share, it’s very difficult for one of them to concede his or her feelings for the other person. Alison (Sweeney, Sami) and I have gone to great lengths to protect that facet of these characters. We really argue against the relationship moving too quickly. You have to inject the reality into the situation, which is that these characters have a history that includes betrayal, cheating and lying. Those things make any sort if resolution incredibly difficult, as they should.

The way that JS phrases his statement in the present tense ("we really argue against the relationship moving too quickly") makes it sound like this is an ongoing push that JS and AS have with the writers to ensure that Ejami history isn't glossed over.
Great minds and all that..... :P
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LuvingLumi
Jul 27 2012, 07:41 AM
Kali
Jul 27 2012, 07:32 AM
Well I think Ejami has never been given full-on root for writing before now. I think and hope the writers are trying it now. Maybe it will help the ratings. Maybe it won't. But at least it will have been tried. It makes no sense to me that it hasn't been tried yet. I wish I knew the backstory on why not. I'm not into debating numbers, but they have a fanbase. I don't get why there would be resistance to trying any coupling that might help the show, from Tptb or from fans of the show. I ended up not liking Safe, but I gave them a chance. Same for Ejole and even ejaylor (well, I only watched Ejaylor on YouTube, but I gave them a chance).
I don't see a difference in this writing for Ejami and the Ejami of 2008 that also had Sami helping Ej out with the immigration and basically pissing Lucas off because she seemed to care too much about EJ. There is really nothing different IMHO about this...Sami is once again helping Ej and Ej is once again being very nice to her. Same shit different year.
I agree that there were scenes in 2008 written to show their attraction and that EJ was in love with Sami again, but it soon became abundantly clear that, while Sami was attracted to EJ, she was still in love with Rafe. Safe was the rooting couple in all of that. In fact, if I recall, scenes were redone to make it clearer to the audience that Safe was the rooting couple. Now, that whole bait and switch could be done again, but I really hope not. The bait and switch is what's been done to death. Why not try giving Ejami a true chance? It's never been done.
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Come on Ron, We are counting on YOU !!

Kali
Jul 27 2012, 09:19 AM
LuvingLumi
Jul 27 2012, 07:41 AM
Kali
Jul 27 2012, 07:32 AM
Well I think Ejami has never been given full-on root for writing before now. I think and hope the writers are trying it now. Maybe it will help the ratings. Maybe it won't. But at least it will have been tried. It makes no sense to me that it hasn't been tried yet. I wish I knew the backstory on why not. I'm not into debating numbers, but they have a fanbase. I don't get why there would be resistance to trying any coupling that might help the show, from Tptb or from fans of the show. I ended up not liking Safe, but I gave them a chance. Same for Ejole and even ejaylor (well, I only watched Ejaylor on YouTube, but I gave them a chance).
I don't see a difference in this writing for Ejami and the Ejami of 2008 that also had Sami helping Ej out with the immigration and basically pissing Lucas off because she seemed to care too much about EJ. There is really nothing different IMHO about this...Sami is once again helping Ej and Ej is once again being very nice to her. Same shit different year.
I agree that there were scenes in 2008 written to show their attraction and that EJ was in love with Sami again, but it soon became abundantly clear that, while Sami was attracted to EJ, she was still in love with Rafe. Safe was the rooting couple in all of that. In fact, if I recall, scenes were redone to make it clearer to the audience that Safe was the rooting couple. Now, that whole bait and switch could be done again, but I really hope not. The bait and switch is what's been done to death. Why not try giving Ejami a true chance? It's never been done.
Rafe? He wasn't around until November of 2008, you must mean Lucas.....In 2008 before she slept with him she started believing everything he said simply because he 'reassured' her after coming clean about John's whereabouts. Even Marlena seemed to be fine with Ej and Sami sharing a safe house and then moving into the Mansion with John and her. That writing and this writing is very, very similar. She went out of her way and lied about them being happily married to the immigration officer so he could stay in the country. We then found out that was a scam....After Lucas returned he questioned her feelings for Ej, questioned her decision to sleep with him and all that jazz. Then she denied her feelings for Ej, told him there was nothing there, that she wanted and loved Lucas and was not choosing Ej above him. What about now is any different than what we saw then? Maybe the fact that Nicole is more prominently featured in this story now but that is it. Lucas is still jealous, questioning Sami's decisions to side with Ej and he thinks she is choosing Ej over him, which in fact she is. By choosing to believe and help Ej out, she is purposely driving the wedge in the relationship she's chosen to have with Lucas.

I'm specifically talking about 2008 and not 2010, I think you are thinking about 2010....
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Oh, sorry. I read "2010" not "2008." My coffee hasn't kicked in yet this morning!
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LuvingLumi
Jul 27 2012, 09:27 AM
Kali
Jul 27 2012, 09:19 AM
LuvingLumi
Jul 27 2012, 07:41 AM
Kali
Jul 27 2012, 07:32 AM
Well I think Ejami has never been given full-on root for writing before now. I think and hope the writers are trying it now. Maybe it will help the ratings. Maybe it won't. But at least it will have been tried. It makes no sense to me that it hasn't been tried yet. I wish I knew the backstory on why not. I'm not into debating numbers, but they have a fanbase. I don't get why there would be resistance to trying any coupling that might help the show, from Tptb or from fans of the show. I ended up not liking Safe, but I gave them a chance. Same for Ejole and even ejaylor (well, I only watched Ejaylor on YouTube, but I gave them a chance).
I don't see a difference in this writing for Ejami and the Ejami of 2008 that also had Sami helping Ej out with the immigration and basically pissing Lucas off because she seemed to care too much about EJ. There is really nothing different IMHO about this...Sami is once again helping Ej and Ej is once again being very nice to her. Same shit different year.
I agree that there were scenes in 2008 written to show their attraction and that EJ was in love with Sami again, but it soon became abundantly clear that, while Sami was attracted to EJ, she was still in love with Rafe. Safe was the rooting couple in all of that. In fact, if I recall, scenes were redone to make it clearer to the audience that Safe was the rooting couple. Now, that whole bait and switch could be done again, but I really hope not. The bait and switch is what's been done to death. Why not try giving Ejami a true chance? It's never been done.
Rafe? He wasn't around until November of 2008, you must mean Lucas.....In 2008 before she slept with him she started believing everything he said simply because he 'reassured' her after coming clean about John's whereabouts. Even Marlena seemed to be fine with Ej and Sami sharing a safe house and then moving into the Mansion with John and her. That writing and this writing is very, very similar. She went out of her way and lied about them being happily married to the immigration officer so he could stay in the country. We then found out that was a scam....After Lucas returned he questioned her feelings for Ej, questioned her decision to sleep with him and all that jazz. Then she denied her feelings for Ej, told him there was nothing there, that she wanted and loved Lucas and was not choosing Ej above him. What about now is any different than what we saw then? Maybe the fact that Nicole is more prominently featured in this story now but that is it. Lucas is still jealous, questioning Sami's decisions to side with Ej and he thinks she is choosing Ej over him, which in fact she is. By choosing to believe and help Ej out, she is purposely driving the wedge in the relationship she's chosen to have with Lucas.

I'm specifically talking about 2008 and not 2010, I think you are thinking about 2010....
But I think 2008 was yet another bait and switch. That kind of proves what I'm saying. The bait and switch has been done ad nauseum. There's nothing showing that it won't be done again here. What I'm saying is it's time for TPTB to try writing Ejami for real. It's like the old story of crying wolf--eventually people will stop responding when they've been burned so many times.
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LuvingLumi
Jul 27 2012, 07:40 AM
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Jul 26 2012, 10:39 PM
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Jul 26 2012, 09:53 PM
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Jul 26 2012, 09:28 PM

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We could go around in circles about this.... The scenes that aired in march were filmed in December, or january, those were the ones that had Ejami going from hate to friend overnight. Mardar were very much at the helm. The stuff we are seeing now is what was filmed in late April when tomsell was transitioning in. But as we've been told by a variety if sources including Jason the cliffhanger is mardar's work post cliff is tomsells. All I'm saying is that it makes way more sense for JS/as to approach the writers about this THEN and he just mentioned it now. All if us are speculating here... No one knows knows a damn thing
So when did PR do his exit interview in this interview of SOD. Did he do it back in February or may be he did it last year?

GT's been there since April. It's August. SOD is talking about these writers. They wouldn't use quotes from last year in an article about post-Olympics.
Rafe's shakeup? Post Olympics. WilSon? Post-Olympics. Bo leaving? Post-Olympics. The whole EJ/Sami slow build they're doing? .......

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Any problems that GT had with BD appear to be long gone. Bryan seems quite happy there. And as we know, we get LUMIMAGIC really soon!

That's why he's on twitter asking for more Lucas like he's a fan campaigning? I don't see AS, CM, GG or others asking for more air time on twitter.
You are totally missing what I'm saying....it's not that the interview was conducted months ago...it's that he MIGHT BE referring to a time where he spoke to the writers about slowing it down with Ejami.

For instance...we know that in late March, Ejami went from "I Hate you and you are going to end up alone" to "OMG this Pinot is fantastic and the sex was good and I'll take the house and I don't give a shit if you are blackmailing my son, you are still fantastic"....

I can see how JS and AS would be concerned about their characters and the direction by MarDar at the time that seemed to point at a very rapid shift and how they were interacting. Is it REALLY that far fetched for JS/AS AT THAT TIME to approach MarDar or Meng or whomever about how quickly Ejami seemed to have been shifted from hate to friend mode and how concerned they might be about that. THEN, this interview opportunity comes around now and JS is asked about Ejami and he just happens to mention that he and AS spoke to the writers about going slow with Ejami. Fact: We don't know when he spoke to the writers about going slow with Ejami. Fact: JS doesn't mention that he spoke to the 'new writers' the 'new regime' or Tomlin and Whitesell and he doesn't specify he spoke to 'the former writers' the 'old regime' or "Marlene and Darrell"...so how can ANYONE be so sure that he is talking about future and not present or past.
I read the entire article.

There was no sexual anything with EJ and Sami played out until last week, then EJ became flirty. They were just tense or friendly
during the time from she got the apartment until then (last week). EJ spent 80% of his time with Will.

The question SOD asked him, that James is answering where he talks about how he and Alison don't want it to move quickly is about EJ and Sami not acting on their sexual attraction. He also goes on to mention that one of them isn't conceding their attraction to the other. (Aka Sami.)

He's talking about last weeks scenes. It would make no sense otherwise because there was nothing like that before last week. So why in a question about
what we saw recent would he talk about requests to writers he hasn't seen since March? It's irrelevant. It's also irrelevant if the show returns and GT wasn't
continuing the same story.

The article doesn't even say he spoke to "writers", he and AS could go straight to Sony or NBC to have these chats. He never points out as to who he and Ali
make these"we want to go slow" requests with. They could have it with Head writers, Exec Producers , NBC, SONY, Corday. Or even all of them in a group conference text. It doesn't say. Considering the head writers are bottom of the totem poll and being controlled, it could not even be them.

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I agree and I know I've criticized Corday on many occasions. He's known to have flat out lied about some things, but at least THIS particular time he seems to have absolutely no control or a very limited amount of control over his own show. It does appear like NBC is calling the shots from everything from storyline dictates to who they feature and why.

Considering what is going on at Y&R right now, I would think it's more Sony in charge than NBC.
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Yes, Yes, keeping the tension up is the key. Alison and James can deliver, and make it real. Once the boy gets the girl it is the happy ending. So, they need to keep doing the dance.
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Jul 26 2012, 08:32 PM
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Liz<3Days
Jul 26 2012, 01:47 PM
You have dialog this week that says EJ would rather be with Nicole, but she doesnt want to talk or see him. Sami is his second choice. Sami's isnt really EJ's choice either. Rafe has been taken totally out of the equation.

EJ does not even think Sami is an option right now, how exactly is he supposed to choose Nicole over her?

I mean the man point blank refuses to be out of Sami's life, not even willing to leave when Nicole gives him the chance to reunite, yet he chooses her over Sami.....NAH!
EJ should never be out of Sami's life. They have 2 children.

EJ should never be out of Nicole's life. They will have a child.

Ej may love both if them. Just one more than the other. IMO he's SHOWN love toward both of them.

Choosing would be hard for anyone in this situation. Sami does have more advantage in that she never denied that her kids belonged to him and family seems to mean alot to him.
...except for that one time when Sami hid her pregnancy and went into witness protection and pretended like she'd adopted Sydney/Grace so that EJ would never find out about her and never be a part of her life.

Or the times she prevented EJ from having any contact with the children at all as a form of blackmail for her uncovering bad things he had done (and vice-versa).

All part of the Ejami merry-go-round - one of them gets the upper hand, gets full custody, and denies the other one the chance to see the kids at all.

Yep, family is definitely number one for Sami. ;)



I never said family was number one for Sami. I said EJ.

I agree on most other of your points. I do not watch Days much so I may not have all the dots connected, though I thought I did. ;)

That's terrible that they use(d)? the kids that way. Wow.
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Don't get up. So how are you? What happened, eh? Let me guess, Stefano told you that you could fly,and you jumped off a building. HeHe It's funny right, no I'm sorry Bad EJ, I should'nt be that cruel!

JamaicanBeauty7
Jul 26 2012, 11:18 PM
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Jul 26 2012, 10:35 PM
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Jul 26 2012, 10:16 PM
I will believe Sami is not EJ's first choice when the following happens:

1. EJ holds a loaded gun to his head and contemplates suicide over the thought of losing Nicole.
2. EJ and Sami have sex and EJ calls out Nicoles name
3. When Sami says Why is it always Nicole Nicole Nicole


For now agree to disagree. :)
I will believe Sami loves EJ when

1. She tells him she loves him
2. She has no clothes on when they make love.
3. She doesn't have a back up option waiting in the wings.
Well (2) is already completed in May '08. One down, two to go!
Sami has already said she loves Ej though, in the pub. "Apart of me will always love Ej" and even if that is not enough, her actions says it all.
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Jul 27 2012, 08:20 AM
I've decided I'm officially not reading any posts that say "EJAMI" multiple times. No good comes from it, just headaches lol
It's amazing how fast you can get through a thread and there's even some threads you can completely ignore! :wave:

I do agree though, this back and forth is WAY too much--it's characters on a show for heaven's sake.......
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whats the update on ej's paternity stuff??? i noticed an update on dool's fb page. seems like they'd mention it here
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Jul 27 2012, 10:52 AM
JamaicanBeauty7
Jul 26 2012, 11:18 PM
concerned
Jul 26 2012, 10:35 PM
TribeHines
Jul 26 2012, 10:16 PM
I will believe Sami is not EJ's first choice when the following happens:

1. EJ holds a loaded gun to his head and contemplates suicide over the thought of losing Nicole.
2. EJ and Sami have sex and EJ calls out Nicoles name
3. When Sami says Why is it always Nicole Nicole Nicole


For now agree to disagree. :)
I will believe Sami loves EJ when

1. She tells him she loves him
2. She has no clothes on when they make love.
3. She doesn't have a back up option waiting in the wings.
Well (2) is already completed in May '08. One down, two to go!
Sami has already said she loves Ej though, in the pub. "Apart of me will always love Ej" and even if that is not enough, her actions says it all.
Just saying a part of me will always love someone doesn't necessarily mean you are in love with that person.
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Sami could love Victor with the stroke of a pen....I really don't get this debate at all........WHY look for consistency from over the years when the writers come and go like riders on a merry-go-round? :shame:
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