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Friday, July 27th Daily Discussion
Topic Started: Jul 26 2012, 01:39 PM (28,708 Views)
AHM


Athenadelphi, much as I don't like it, I'm afraid you are right that Days has boxed itself in to Sami and EJ being the life blood. But give it some time and see how you feel. You might keep loving EJami, as I know many still do. But my experience is that I was quickly burned out on them. Unlike you, I have a long history with Days, but I had tuned out in 2006 (yes, when JnJ left). I turned the show on in early 2010 though, and I got hooked on EJ/Sami. By winter of the same year, I was over them and bored with the show and would have tuned out and quit thinking about it. Unfortunately, though, they brought Jennifer back, and since I have adored JnJ since childhood, I stuck around to see where that would go, waiting for Jack. It turned out that went horribly and Jennifer has been largely ruined for me, but that's another story. The reason I lost all interest in EJ and Sami is nicely summed up by Kyrai:
But I think the big issue is there needs to be more to the show than generic interchangeable couples. At some point, the writers have to start making characters worth investing in. They are TOO changeable, not real people. The character you see and like today, is a character you hate and can't stand the next. If there is no integrity to the character, you don't invest because nothing has meaning. There are dilemmas no issues because if the writers want to change something today, they just do it without thinking about whether it makes any sense.
See, Sami and EJ just never really got any grounding, which took away my desire to invest in them. They'd flit around from Lucas to Rafe to Taylor to Nicole, and their cores, I simply couldn't pin down, because I don't think they actually have anything at the core. They just change as story dictates. Sadly, the whole thirty-something crowd is just a bunch of interchangeable parts, rather than characters. And sadly, the twenty-something crowd is dull and full of insta-love and completely changeable as well, so they are in no place to have the torch handed to them. Most but sadly, the show took a character who was much more than an interchangeable part and made her into one (Jennifer), sticking her with perhaps the king of all interchangeable and shallow characters, Dan. Now, I get that the show's dependent on EJ/Sami, as they've painted themselves into that corner, but Dan? Why on earth does the show insist on keeping him around, and giving him tons of focus too? Shudder. As to ratings, there are bumps, but overall there's been a steady decline with Sami/EJ and the general interchangeable parts/fanbase war method of story telling that dominates the show. It may be that the show will really buckle down and give EJ and Sami something solid. And that might go well, and it might be fine and good for you as a new viewer. For me though, I'm over Sami and EJ, and I don't think there's any way I can get on board with them, because they've been on too long not to have had solid writing at this point.
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brazen
Jul 28 2012, 08:22 AM
tylerbo20
Jul 27 2012, 10:49 PM
i cant believe how let down i was by the entire show..and its clear the new writers only want the sami/ej/daniel show
Not sure how it's clear when Sami and EJ were were at the bottom of the airtime for this episode, they must have had 5 minutes in the entire episode. There was more Madison than them.

The bulk of this episode was the fundraiser/wedding and the tunnels, not the warehouse set.

They were only on for seven minutes.

Seven minutes in heaven, but only seven minutes. :D

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How much time did everyone else get in comparison? I know Bope got two minutes.
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Hopeless_Dreamer
Jul 28 2012, 01:38 AM
athenadelphi
Jul 28 2012, 12:56 AM
Look, I'm a new viewer to DOOL. I started peeking in about 4 weeks ago and saw Sami and Ej and Will and I gotta tell you - that's what I came back for and am now watching daily to see. I have don't really care about any of the other couples. I'm learning how they're all related by inter-marriages and none of them have what I need to stay tuned into a soap: chemistry between 2 people. Now the actor who plays Ej is nice on the eyes and that's an easy answer so let's talk about Sweeney. What I've seen so far? Failure of the writers to have her say anything other than the same stuff over and over. That's not the actress's fault. Its the writers. She's doing the best she can given a 'holding' pattern storyline but now? We've seen some forward movement. She along with "Will" are coming together for a goal and I haven't seen the show but by the comments? Sami's character hasn't had a goal except her kids. Now she's fighting for justice against her own father. This is getting good. I'm sticking with DOOL for these characters and nothing else. Ratings show an increase of 123,000 people week before this last one we just got done watching. With 38,000 new viewers year over last year. That's me. I'm part of that 38k. Maybe down the line I'll get interested in the others but you want this show to live? This couple is your blood supply. Don't diss it.
And the week before last week the ratings were down 200,000 from last year. If this one couple was the blood supply of the show then the ratings would keep increasing instead of bouncing back and forth. JMO.
That's rather hard when this one couple hasn't been a couple.

Their writing was the most anti-couple I've ever witnessed.
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lysie
Jul 28 2012, 10:43 AM
How much time did everyone else get in comparison? I know Bope got two minutes.
I have no idea. I was wondering why they weren't looking for Melanie.
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julieg1977
Jul 28 2012, 07:42 AM
I will never wish this show to be cancelled if I am not getting what I want. I may not watch if it gets to the point where it annoys me to even tune in. (Although I won't post my opinions on those shows I don't watch because no one would take them seriously if I didn't even watch) but, I will just find another show to watch or do something else with that hour in the real world. I will never wish for this show to be cancelled.
Luckily, right now I am really enjoying the show. I am truly sorry for those of you who aren't, though. I've been on that side too. Hopefully some new storylines will begin soon and more of us will be happy with the direction in which things are headed.
Unless you have a Nielson box does it matter if you watch or not?

I was on hiatus for at least a year and I don't think NBC missed me. :tounge:
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Matt
Jul 28 2012, 08:56 AM
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Jul 28 2012, 04:46 AM
Random question, but did anyone else feel like the Daniel/Nicole conversation in the lobby was done entirely to showcase the elevator? It was just so...odd, the way it was staged.
Yes! They hovered around that elevator for so long I thought they were forshadowing one of them being trapped in there. They were there so long that I actually thought to myself that there was someone,somewhere, waiting on that elevator and they were damned pissed that it was taking 30 minutes to get to them.
ITA, the SODs and spoilers tried to elude that Nicole & Daniel could or would be involved in an elevator thing, hence their lingering convo at the elevator doors. It was a nice attempt, although it probably didn't come off as good as it could have been. Should have had Daniel in the elevator talking, as Nicole stood outside holding the door open, then have the elevator shake, lights flicker etc, letting them freak out a little, but then get out, only to see Abby get in, after they leave.

TomSell are going to have to cover off all these small details that have been missing from DAYS for so long. Rushing SLs and scenes is what MARDAR were doing and look what happent to them. Writers that neglect history, change history and ignore SL beats are on the road to failure. Creating a fast paced SL, skipping and jumping important plot parts or pretending to have things happen off screen, are not soapy at all, it brings DAYS into a whole new genre of it's own, a messy one. Watching a soap to see favorite actors/characters roam around talking here and there, is just not enough anymore. TIIC need to acknowledge that writing is as their biggest downfall, regardless of who they thrown on screen. Until they do, viewers will flock.
Edited by Dreamer, Jul 28 2012, 10:47 AM.
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brazen
Jul 28 2012, 08:22 AM
tylerbo20
Jul 27 2012, 10:49 PM
i cant believe how let down i was by the entire show..and its clear the new writers only want the sami/ej/daniel show
Not sure how it's clear when Sami and EJ were were at the bottom of the airtime for this episode, they must have had 5 minutes in the entire episode. There was more Madison than them.

The bulk of this episode was the fundraiser/wedding and the tunnels, not the warehouse set.

Wait, I can help you there. The EJam parts were clipped seperately and totaled 6 minutes and 58 seconds. The entire show, when clipped, totaled 37 minutes and 47 seconds, which means that there was over a half hour of other content on yesterday's show, but all people seem to be talking about is EJami. I think this is why Days keeps putting them together.

ETA: I just watched again, and those EJami minutes included the intro for the show (hourglass) and the explosions scenes, all of them, starting with Andrew in the tunnels. So it was actually about 5-6 minutes tops, of EJami.
Edited by julieg1977, Jul 28 2012, 11:39 AM.
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Jul 27 2012, 05:14 PM
Well, I liked it.

I thought the slow build of everything above ground vs below ground was very suspenseful.

I rewatched the ending is slow motion about 40 times. The explosions were fantastic and I thought the acting was great. Everyone was FREAKED!

From the exploding glass, falling chandelier, fires, Abby's look in the elevator, Marlena's duel with the dish, the tunnels caving in...WOWZA!

I am wondering what happened to the water that was supposed to come gushing in, but maybe that got cut by TomSell.
I don't recall anything about water rushing in but I agree with everything you posted.I guess I have lower expectations because I don't believe many soaps have the budget they once has allowing them to hire and retain talent and show the lavish cliff hangers of the past.I do wish they could have included Caroline and Celeste in the episode.Based on reaction to Stefano's murder I can also understand the shows unwillingness to sacrifice pivotal characters for a cliff hanger.I can only imagine the furor if Sami,EJ,Nicole,Marlena,John,Kate,or even Jennifer and Jack were killed off in an episode that some are lukewarm about although I am not one of them.
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athenadelphi
Jul 28 2012, 12:56 AM
Look, I'm a new viewer to DOOL. I started peeking in about 4 weeks ago and saw Sami and Ej and Will and I gotta tell you - that's what I came back for and am now watching daily to see. I have don't really care about any of the other couples. I'm learning how they're all related by inter-marriages and none of them have what I need to stay tuned into a soap: chemistry between 2 people. Now the actor who plays Ej is nice on the eyes and that's an easy answer so let's talk about Sweeney. What I've seen so far? Failure of the writers to have her say anything other than the same stuff over and over. That's not the actress's fault. Its the writers. She's doing the best she can given a 'holding' pattern storyline but now? We've seen some forward movement. She along with "Will" are coming together for a goal and I haven't seen the show but by the comments? Sami's character hasn't had a goal except her kids. Now she's fighting for justice against her own father. This is getting good. I'm sticking with DOOL for these characters and nothing else. Ratings show an increase of 123,000 people week before this last one we just got done watching. With 38,000 new viewers year over last year. That's me. I'm part of that 38k. Maybe down the line I'll get interested in the others but you want this show to live? This couple is your blood supply. Don't diss it.
Glad you're watching Days! I also mainly enjoy EJ, Sami, and Will, especially when they interact with each other. I think they're great actors, have good on screen chemistry, and I enjoy their storylines.

There's other storylines and characters, but these 3 generate a lot of fan response. It's good that there's positive and negative responses to these characters b/c it generates discussion. I don't like the kidnapping storyline but I don't feel the need to write a long response as to what I don't like about it. It's not interesting enough for me to want to do that.

Yes there's been a good amount of EJ and Sami, but part of that is due to the fact that 5 actors were fired and this summer was a transition period from old writers to new writers. Once these actors were fired, their scenes were limited. I am glad Days cut the scenes with Carrie, Austin, Ian, and Madison because I didn't want to waste my time watching characters that I knew were going to be leaving. I would've enjoyed more Jack scenes though. Also cutting their scenes led to seeing less of characters they interact with, such as Kate and Brady.

I wouldn't say Days is the EJAMI show either. It's only been in the last few weeks that we've seen more consistent EJAMI interaction. The beginning of the year EJAMI hardly interacted, then they started having scenes once every 1-2 weeks and then last & this month we've started to finally see more EJAMI scenes. I've been loving it! Especially since EJAMI barely interacted at all in 2011. Last year was awful!

So I'm going to savor every EJAMI scene I can get and hope to see more EJILL stuff too! I hope to see good stories for all of the other characters too after the break. From what little we know about what's coming up, it sounds like there will be more balance and interesting stuff coming up. At least I hope so!
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Jul 28 2012, 10:45 AM
julieg1977
Jul 28 2012, 07:42 AM
I will never wish this show to be cancelled if I am not getting what I want. I may not watch if it gets to the point where it annoys me to even tune in. (Although I won't post my opinions on those shows I don't watch because no one would take them seriously if I didn't even watch) but, I will just find another show to watch or do something else with that hour in the real world. I will never wish for this show to be cancelled.
Luckily, right now I am really enjoying the show. I am truly sorry for those of you who aren't, though. I've been on that side too. Hopefully some new storylines will begin soon and more of us will be happy with the direction in which things are headed.
Unless you have a Nielson box does it matter if you watch or not?

I was on hiatus for at least a year and I don't think NBC missed me. :tounge:
No, although I was a "Neilson family" last year without the box. But yeah that's my point. I don't need to wish the show cancelled to stop watching and move on with my life. Why ruin things for everyone else who is enjoying it? The most you would gain is another freakin hour of the today show. lol
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Don't get up. So how are you? What happened, eh? Let me guess, Stefano told you that you could fly,and you jumped off a building. HeHe It's funny right, no I'm sorry Bad EJ, I should'nt be that cruel!

Hopeless_Dreamer
Jul 28 2012, 01:28 AM
Alin89
Jul 28 2012, 01:17 AM
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Jul 28 2012, 01:11 AM
Alin89
Jul 28 2012, 01:03 AM
I seriously wish that Ej never came to salem at all in the first place. I have had enough of James scott. I wish they had kept sami backburned these two ppl r killing the show for me.
Yeah I love JS and Ej but I have to agree he's on too much, and the thing is Ej and Sami bring out the absolute worst in each other, and featuring them both so heavily has killed my enjoyment of Days. I haven't watched in over a month, and if things don't change there's really no point in me tuning in after the break either.
I wouldnt blame JS if he quits the show one day. He seems so drained and exhuasted. I feel the same for AS too. I think she will quit someday too. She also seems exhuasted and drained.
Yeah, I actually have been getting this feeling that JS will probably leave next year and really I wouldn't blame him at all. AS on the otherhand I have a feeling we are stuck with her till Days is cancelled. :shame:

James seem happy with the new writing, saying it was the best writing in years. On the other hand, I would not blame him if he did leave, I think James is too good for days anyway IMO.
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Jul 28 2012, 07:48 AM
4. Kayla and Abe could be interesting, but there is no story. Unless Steve returns later on...
I've been thinking that when Stefano comes back, there could be conflict between them over his role in Theo's life -- or even EJ's role, like they began to set up at Lexie's memorial. It's even about Steve in a way, because Kayla's still not over the brainwashing (and kidney escapades).

Re: EJami and being the "lifeblood" the show can't walk away from... I have no interest in a ratings argument, but they've been on for six years. Bo and Hope's entire first run took place in 3 and a half. They met, grew, had set backs, and overcame them personally and as a couple, and then left the show. The problem with EJ and Sami isn't that they're not currently together, it's that the past six years have been an incoherent mess - the same issue with every other character and couple on this show. Unless you are into the chemistry (which is subjective for every couple) there is very little to hang your hat on. That's a hole that the show has spent a lot of time digging.
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Jul 27 2012, 08:11 PM
Not into Abe and Kayla at all. Thought the show was fairly well done if I suspend my belief that EJ being a pretty sharp guy would have Will bring the children to him when he knows Will is being followed. It was like he wanted to get caught or is so f'd up he isn't thinking clearly at all. Loved Kate's advice to Lucas about him knowing if so & so is around the other will never get over them..talken to you Lucas. Don't know why Roman would call for back up when he had three policemen and the poison dwarf with him. EJ is not going to shoot Sami's father with her there so it seemed pretty pointless. He actually kept that gun focused on his daughter ..how fatherly Roman always is. best part of the episode was Ej with his kids.
The same sharp guy who did not know his wife was not pregnant,did not burn the letter stating Stefano was not his father,and threw the gloves away in a public area although I do not think he would have reason to believe Roman was having Will followed.Roman told Lucas to stay back so Roman would not expect Lucas to help in apprehending EJ.Roman and three police officers would not be able to cover all of the escape routes a warehouse would likely have so it makes sense to call for back up to surround the building.It also makes sense for Roman to keep his gun pointed in the general direction of EJ who was behind Sami so he could take a shot if EJ attempted to run.I love that EJ and Sami put themselves and what they want ahead of the safety of their children while Lucas put the safety of Will and Sami ahead of himself.
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Jul 26 2012, 01:58 PM
"marlena hits herself in the face with a plate"

This made me laugh.

Thanks for posting, Skye.
In one shot I thought John and Marlena give each other a head butt. :laugh:

This episode just sounds like one big corny mess. I think I would be interested more if it involved couples and characters that I actually care about and haven't been hovering in the back ground the last several weeks before da big cliff hanger. :ermmmm:
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The actual explosion, by DAYS standards, was well done--everything else at that fundraiser was a big waste of time.

Jack's about die again, yet they really couldn't throw in a few more crumbs with Jennifer and Abigail before chaos struck? Not even a dance or anything? Daniel going back and forth about being at the party was hardly worthy of the airtime it got. If they needed him to show up for the explosion, it should have happened at the end. Still not digging Kabe. Julie never having been in an earthquake was false. Lucas should have been more involved in grilling Will about what was happening instead of standing around doing nothing half of the episode. I'd want to jump out the window at this fundraiser, it was so boring.
Edited by LastLicks, Jul 28 2012, 05:16 PM.
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Jul 28 2012, 12:27 AM
If you mean as characters, then you're right. At least individually, they HAVE been the face of Days, but just until recently for the past four years all we've had was EJ with Nicole and Sami with Rafe. And yeah, it was bound to change. Even John and Marlena, Bo and Hope, Jack and Jen, Steve and Kayla - the old supercouples had split up several times throughout the years. Can anyone think of one supercouple on a soap who hasn't split up, even for a short period of time at some point of another? I can't. Also, both characters are all people talk about. EJ, Sami, EJ, Sami, weather together or separately. They love them/ they hate them, but most, not all, but most, talk about them in some form or another. I agree, the show should be more balanced. It used to be, years ago, that the shows would take turns on resting and rotating the characters they featured weekly, and it made viewers miss them and yearn for them. It worked well, because fans kept tuning in every day in hopes that they would see their favorite couple/characters, and there were no spoilers either. IMO that was better for the shows. People tuned in to watch every day, weather what they hoped for turned out or not.
But they were supercouples. And they didn't break up because they hated each other, because one raped the other, shot the other in the head, took away their children and the list goes on. They were parted by circumstance and death, not because they didn't love each other.

I don't talk about EJ and Sami unless I'm here on this board. I try to just ignore them, there's enough of them on the screen. I enjoy EJ, I wish they'd stick to him being a villain instead of messing back and forth, but I loathe Sami. Unfortunately EJ is tied to Sami, who they insist on making the primal figure on the show (which just does not work), so I tend to not even watch his scenes.
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Jul 27 2012, 11:42 PM
outrageous
Jul 27 2012, 11:02 PM
As a general rule, I don't consider soap actors "good" actors. If they were that good, they'd be on prime time and in movies.
I think this point is completely and utterly false.

I've seen better actors on soaps---shoot, even at the local theater, than some who make it to prime time or to the movies. I don't think an actor could be much worse than Kevin Costner, for example, but look how well he's done.

I do think Alison Sweeney's acting leaves a lot to be desired, but I kind of like that a woman whom I really do not think has movie star (or soap star) type good looks is doing as well as she is. I wish she'd just do well with Biggest Loser or something though, because I am really not interested in Sami.
A lot of them actually like the genre. Deidre Hall had a series that did pretty damn well, quit, decided to have a baby (and found some trouble), then missed Daytime so much she decided to return to it. She loved being the character and playing every beat of the story, instead of just some. She's never had the desire to be an actress, she's spoken about that, but she loves the show, it's where she's spent half of her life, the cast is her family and she loves Marlena.

There are other actors on other shows who've done the same. And there are actors who still praise the soap genre for what it is and what it meant to them. Moving on doesn't mean you think it's not worthy of you.

Kelly Ripa still speaks highly of her soap days, even though she's found a job that suits her life better than AMC did with how she wanted to raise her family. It doesn't mean they don't love the genre, or that they aren't good. Primetime is sometimes easier. It shoots over sometimes 10 days, and very rarely is someone in every scene on a primetime show, so they have more consistant days off. Easier to raise a family, unless you truly, truly love the work you do there.
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athenadelphi
Jul 28 2012, 12:56 AM
Look, I'm a new viewer to DOOL. I started peeking in about 4 weeks ago and saw Sami and Ej and Will and I gotta tell you - that's what I came back for and am now watching daily to see. I have don't really care about any of the other couples. I'm learning how they're all related by inter-marriages and none of them have what I need to stay tuned into a soap: chemistry between 2 people. Now the actor who plays Ej is nice on the eyes and that's an easy answer so let's talk about Sweeney. What I've seen so far? Failure of the writers to have her say anything other than the same stuff over and over. That's not the actress's fault. Its the writers. She's doing the best she can given a 'holding' pattern storyline but now? We've seen some forward movement. She along with "Will" are coming together for a goal and I haven't seen the show but by the comments? Sami's character hasn't had a goal except her kids. Now she's fighting for justice against her own father. This is getting good. I'm sticking with DOOL for these characters and nothing else. Ratings show an increase of 123,000 people week before this last one we just got done watching. With 38,000 new viewers year over last year. That's me. I'm part of that 38k. Maybe down the line I'll get interested in the others but you want this show to live? This couple is your blood supply. Don't diss it.
Sami has been the same for the past 20 (almost) years, because she doesn't have any layers. But man are there opportunities for that on both parts.

Sami has had one single goal in her life. To get the guy.
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Jul 28 2012, 12:34 PM
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Jul 27 2012, 08:11 PM
Not into Abe and Kayla at all. Thought the show was fairly well done if I suspend my belief that EJ being a pretty sharp guy would have Will bring the children to him when he knows Will is being followed. It was like he wanted to get caught or is so f'd up he isn't thinking clearly at all. Loved Kate's advice to Lucas about him knowing if so & so is around the other will never get over them..talken to you Lucas. Don't know why Roman would call for back up when he had three policemen and the poison dwarf with him. EJ is not going to shoot Sami's father with her there so it seemed pretty pointless. He actually kept that gun focused on his daughter ..how fatherly Roman always is. best part of the episode was Ej with his kids.
The same sharp guy who did not know his wife was not pregnant,did not burn the letter stating Stefano was not his father,and threw the gloves away in a public area although I do not think he would have reason to believe Roman was having Will followed.Roman told Lucas to stay back so Roman would not expect Lucas to help in apprehending EJ.Roman and three police officers would not be able to cover all of the escape routes a warehouse would likely have so it makes sense to call for back up to surround the building.It also makes sense for Roman to keep his gun pointed in the general direction of EJ who was behind Sami so he could take a shot if EJ attempted to run.I love that EJ and Sami put themselves and what they want ahead of the safety of their children while Lucas put the safety of Will and Sami ahead of himself.
Well I didn't buy EJ not knowing about the pregnancy either but ten Nicole is a skillful liar and EJ wasn't all that into her for the first marriage. He was still pining after Sami in witness protection. If Roman took a shot at EJ with Sami anywhere in the vicinity then he is as rotten a father as they get and no one can aim that well at that distance. EJ is emotionally shot rightnow after losing his father , Lexie, his family name so the fact he wanted to see Johnny and Sydney while a mistake was not unreasonable considering he feels he might be gone a long time. As for Lucas, frankly I would not consider him good at anything but being a sniffling rat
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