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| Friday, July 27th Daily Discussion | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jul 26 2012, 01:39 PM (28,708 Views) | |
| AHM | Jul 28 2012, 10:21 AM Post #281 |
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Athenadelphi, much as I don't like it, I'm afraid you are right that Days has boxed itself in to Sami and EJ being the life blood. But give it some time and see how you feel. You might keep loving EJami, as I know many still do. But my experience is that I was quickly burned out on them. Unlike you, I have a long history with Days, but I had tuned out in 2006 (yes, when JnJ left). I turned the show on in early 2010 though, and I got hooked on EJ/Sami. By winter of the same year, I was over them and bored with the show and would have tuned out and quit thinking about it. Unfortunately, though, they brought Jennifer back, and since I have adored JnJ since childhood, I stuck around to see where that would go, waiting for Jack. It turned out that went horribly and Jennifer has been largely ruined for me, but that's another story. The reason I lost all interest in EJ and Sami is nicely summed up by Kyrai: But I think the big issue is there needs to be more to the show than generic interchangeable couples. At some point, the writers have to start making characters worth investing in. They are TOO changeable, not real people. The character you see and like today, is a character you hate and can't stand the next. If there is no integrity to the character, you don't invest because nothing has meaning. There are dilemmas no issues because if the writers want to change something today, they just do it without thinking about whether it makes any sense. See, Sami and EJ just never really got any grounding, which took away my desire to invest in them. They'd flit around from Lucas to Rafe to Taylor to Nicole, and their cores, I simply couldn't pin down, because I don't think they actually have anything at the core. They just change as story dictates. Sadly, the whole thirty-something crowd is just a bunch of interchangeable parts, rather than characters. And sadly, the twenty-something crowd is dull and full of insta-love and completely changeable as well, so they are in no place to have the torch handed to them. Most but sadly, the show took a character who was much more than an interchangeable part and made her into one (Jennifer), sticking her with perhaps the king of all interchangeable and shallow characters, Dan. Now, I get that the show's dependent on EJ/Sami, as they've painted themselves into that corner, but Dan? Why on earth does the show insist on keeping him around, and giving him tons of focus too? Shudder. As to ratings, there are bumps, but overall there's been a steady decline with Sami/EJ and the general interchangeable parts/fanbase war method of story telling that dominates the show. It may be that the show will really buckle down and give EJ and Sami something solid. And that might go well, and it might be fine and good for you as a new viewer. For me though, I'm over Sami and EJ, and I don't think there's any way I can get on board with them, because they've been on too long not to have had solid writing at this point. |
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| SpriteEyes | Jul 28 2012, 10:41 AM Post #282 |
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They were only on for seven minutes. Seven minutes in heaven, but only seven minutes. :D |
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| lysie | Jul 28 2012, 10:43 AM Post #283 |
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How much time did everyone else get in comparison? I know Bope got two minutes. |
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| SpriteEyes | Jul 28 2012, 10:43 AM Post #284 |
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That's rather hard when this one couple hasn't been a couple. Their writing was the most anti-couple I've ever witnessed. |
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| SpriteEyes | Jul 28 2012, 10:44 AM Post #285 |
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I have no idea. I was wondering why they weren't looking for Melanie. |
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| SpriteEyes | Jul 28 2012, 10:45 AM Post #286 |
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Unless you have a Nielson box does it matter if you watch or not? I was on hiatus for at least a year and I don't think NBC missed me. :tounge: |
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| Dreamer | Jul 28 2012, 10:46 AM Post #287 |
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Gone, But Not Forgotten!
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ITA, the SODs and spoilers tried to elude that Nicole & Daniel could or would be involved in an elevator thing, hence their lingering convo at the elevator doors. It was a nice attempt, although it probably didn't come off as good as it could have been. Should have had Daniel in the elevator talking, as Nicole stood outside holding the door open, then have the elevator shake, lights flicker etc, letting them freak out a little, but then get out, only to see Abby get in, after they leave. TomSell are going to have to cover off all these small details that have been missing from DAYS for so long. Rushing SLs and scenes is what MARDAR were doing and look what happent to them. Writers that neglect history, change history and ignore SL beats are on the road to failure. Creating a fast paced SL, skipping and jumping important plot parts or pretending to have things happen off screen, are not soapy at all, it brings DAYS into a whole new genre of it's own, a messy one. Watching a soap to see favorite actors/characters roam around talking here and there, is just not enough anymore. TIIC need to acknowledge that writing is as their biggest downfall, regardless of who they thrown on screen. Until they do, viewers will flock. Edited by Dreamer, Jul 28 2012, 10:47 AM.
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| julieg1977 | Jul 28 2012, 11:03 AM Post #288 |
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Wait, I can help you there. The EJam parts were clipped seperately and totaled 6 minutes and 58 seconds. The entire show, when clipped, totaled 37 minutes and 47 seconds, which means that there was over a half hour of other content on yesterday's show, but all people seem to be talking about is EJami. I think this is why Days keeps putting them together. ETA: I just watched again, and those EJami minutes included the intro for the show (hourglass) and the explosions scenes, all of them, starting with Andrew in the tunnels. So it was actually about 5-6 minutes tops, of EJami. Edited by julieg1977, Jul 28 2012, 11:39 AM.
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| BeeBee | Jul 28 2012, 11:40 AM Post #289 |
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I don't recall anything about water rushing in but I agree with everything you posted.I guess I have lower expectations because I don't believe many soaps have the budget they once has allowing them to hire and retain talent and show the lavish cliff hangers of the past.I do wish they could have included Caroline and Celeste in the episode.Based on reaction to Stefano's murder I can also understand the shows unwillingness to sacrifice pivotal characters for a cliff hanger.I can only imagine the furor if Sami,EJ,Nicole,Marlena,John,Kate,or even Jennifer and Jack were killed off in an episode that some are lukewarm about although I am not one of them. |
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| Ireland98 | Jul 28 2012, 11:43 AM Post #290 |
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Glad you're watching Days! I also mainly enjoy EJ, Sami, and Will, especially when they interact with each other. I think they're great actors, have good on screen chemistry, and I enjoy their storylines. There's other storylines and characters, but these 3 generate a lot of fan response. It's good that there's positive and negative responses to these characters b/c it generates discussion. I don't like the kidnapping storyline but I don't feel the need to write a long response as to what I don't like about it. It's not interesting enough for me to want to do that. Yes there's been a good amount of EJ and Sami, but part of that is due to the fact that 5 actors were fired and this summer was a transition period from old writers to new writers. Once these actors were fired, their scenes were limited. I am glad Days cut the scenes with Carrie, Austin, Ian, and Madison because I didn't want to waste my time watching characters that I knew were going to be leaving. I would've enjoyed more Jack scenes though. Also cutting their scenes led to seeing less of characters they interact with, such as Kate and Brady. I wouldn't say Days is the EJAMI show either. It's only been in the last few weeks that we've seen more consistent EJAMI interaction. The beginning of the year EJAMI hardly interacted, then they started having scenes once every 1-2 weeks and then last & this month we've started to finally see more EJAMI scenes. I've been loving it! Especially since EJAMI barely interacted at all in 2011. Last year was awful! So I'm going to savor every EJAMI scene I can get and hope to see more EJILL stuff too! I hope to see good stories for all of the other characters too after the break. From what little we know about what's coming up, it sounds like there will be more balance and interesting stuff coming up. At least I hope so! |
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| julieg1977 | Jul 28 2012, 11:55 AM Post #291 |
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No, although I was a "Neilson family" last year without the box. But yeah that's my point. I don't need to wish the show cancelled to stop watching and move on with my life. Why ruin things for everyone else who is enjoying it? The most you would gain is another freakin hour of the today show. lol |
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| JamesScott_19 | Jul 28 2012, 12:06 PM Post #292 |
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Don't get up. So how are you? What happened, eh? Let me guess, Stefano told you that you could fly,and you jumped off a building. HeHe It's funny right, no I'm sorry Bad EJ, I should'nt be that cruel!
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James seem happy with the new writing, saying it was the best writing in years. On the other hand, I would not blame him if he did leave, I think James is too good for days anyway IMO. |
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| granolagirl | Jul 28 2012, 12:19 PM Post #293 |
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#SorryNotSorry
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I've been thinking that when Stefano comes back, there could be conflict between them over his role in Theo's life -- or even EJ's role, like they began to set up at Lexie's memorial. It's even about Steve in a way, because Kayla's still not over the brainwashing (and kidney escapades). Re: EJami and being the "lifeblood" the show can't walk away from... I have no interest in a ratings argument, but they've been on for six years. Bo and Hope's entire first run took place in 3 and a half. They met, grew, had set backs, and overcame them personally and as a couple, and then left the show. The problem with EJ and Sami isn't that they're not currently together, it's that the past six years have been an incoherent mess - the same issue with every other character and couple on this show. Unless you are into the chemistry (which is subjective for every couple) there is very little to hang your hat on. That's a hole that the show has spent a lot of time digging. |
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| BeeBee | Jul 28 2012, 12:34 PM Post #294 |
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The same sharp guy who did not know his wife was not pregnant,did not burn the letter stating Stefano was not his father,and threw the gloves away in a public area although I do not think he would have reason to believe Roman was having Will followed.Roman told Lucas to stay back so Roman would not expect Lucas to help in apprehending EJ.Roman and three police officers would not be able to cover all of the escape routes a warehouse would likely have so it makes sense to call for back up to surround the building.It also makes sense for Roman to keep his gun pointed in the general direction of EJ who was behind Sami so he could take a shot if EJ attempted to run.I love that EJ and Sami put themselves and what they want ahead of the safety of their children while Lucas put the safety of Will and Sami ahead of himself. |
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| jackjenfan | Jul 28 2012, 03:47 PM Post #295 |
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In one shot I thought John and Marlena give each other a head butt. :laugh: This episode just sounds like one big corny mess. I think I would be interested more if it involved couples and characters that I actually care about and haven't been hovering in the back ground the last several weeks before da big cliff hanger. :ermmmm: |
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| LastLicks | Jul 28 2012, 05:16 PM Post #296 |
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The actual explosion, by DAYS standards, was well done--everything else at that fundraiser was a big waste of time. Jack's about die again, yet they really couldn't throw in a few more crumbs with Jennifer and Abigail before chaos struck? Not even a dance or anything? Daniel going back and forth about being at the party was hardly worthy of the airtime it got. If they needed him to show up for the explosion, it should have happened at the end. Still not digging Kabe. Julie never having been in an earthquake was false. Lucas should have been more involved in grilling Will about what was happening instead of standing around doing nothing half of the episode. I'd want to jump out the window at this fundraiser, it was so boring. Edited by LastLicks, Jul 28 2012, 05:16 PM.
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| The Room Stops | Jul 28 2012, 05:30 PM Post #297 |
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But they were supercouples. And they didn't break up because they hated each other, because one raped the other, shot the other in the head, took away their children and the list goes on. They were parted by circumstance and death, not because they didn't love each other. I don't talk about EJ and Sami unless I'm here on this board. I try to just ignore them, there's enough of them on the screen. I enjoy EJ, I wish they'd stick to him being a villain instead of messing back and forth, but I loathe Sami. Unfortunately EJ is tied to Sami, who they insist on making the primal figure on the show (which just does not work), so I tend to not even watch his scenes. |
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| The Room Stops | Jul 28 2012, 05:34 PM Post #298 |
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A lot of them actually like the genre. Deidre Hall had a series that did pretty damn well, quit, decided to have a baby (and found some trouble), then missed Daytime so much she decided to return to it. She loved being the character and playing every beat of the story, instead of just some. She's never had the desire to be an actress, she's spoken about that, but she loves the show, it's where she's spent half of her life, the cast is her family and she loves Marlena. There are other actors on other shows who've done the same. And there are actors who still praise the soap genre for what it is and what it meant to them. Moving on doesn't mean you think it's not worthy of you. Kelly Ripa still speaks highly of her soap days, even though she's found a job that suits her life better than AMC did with how she wanted to raise her family. It doesn't mean they don't love the genre, or that they aren't good. Primetime is sometimes easier. It shoots over sometimes 10 days, and very rarely is someone in every scene on a primetime show, so they have more consistant days off. Easier to raise a family, unless you truly, truly love the work you do there. |
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| The Room Stops | Jul 28 2012, 05:36 PM Post #299 |
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Sami has been the same for the past 20 (almost) years, because she doesn't have any layers. But man are there opportunities for that on both parts. Sami has had one single goal in her life. To get the guy. |
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| sassyblonde | Jul 28 2012, 05:56 PM Post #300 |
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Well I didn't buy EJ not knowing about the pregnancy either but ten Nicole is a skillful liar and EJ wasn't all that into her for the first marriage. He was still pining after Sami in witness protection. If Roman took a shot at EJ with Sami anywhere in the vicinity then he is as rotten a father as they get and no one can aim that well at that distance. EJ is emotionally shot rightnow after losing his father , Lexie, his family name so the fact he wanted to see Johnny and Sydney while a mistake was not unreasonable considering he feels he might be gone a long time. As for Lucas, frankly I would not consider him good at anything but being a sniffling rat |
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