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Friday, July 27th Daily Discussion
Topic Started: Jul 26 2012, 01:39 PM (28,701 Views)
Dakotasmom


Wondering where it is headed. They just got new writers, so all speculation is valid and not just spinning IMO
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Shadow
Jul 29 2012, 02:04 AM
Ashtonion
Jul 28 2012, 08:59 PM
OMG< I didn't watch the cliffhanger and didn't intend to but I had to check this out, because the spoiler clearly said Sami puts herself in the line of fire in so many words. Sami just stood by him and he actually yanked her arm and placed her in front of him and actually held her there and then kind of cowered behind her. How friggen funny. This reminds me of the supposed "shirtless EJ" scene and the "almost kiss" that was also spoiled and didn't happen that way. I see that the tweeks are still coming. I love how you can't always trust spoilers. If that was Nicole, he would have put Nicole behind him in an instant.
You watched a totally different show than I did. But that happens a lot and I guess it keeps discussion interesting.

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I agree, its a problem caused by one take.


It's perfectly clear because of what every official sourcee says, Sami put herself there. EJ wanted her to stay down. She stood up. Then he tried to hold her back with an arm and she kept getting closer. His arm is up to hold her back, not yank her forward.

This is where the actors screwed up a little by making the rest look awkward. Ali went to move in front of James and he wrapped his arms around her and they sruggled a little. It looked like James was trying to make sure Ali didn't fall over the edge while they struggled. As soon as she's on both feet and stable he lets go of her and is not touching her any more.

Sami looks determined and tells EJ to run.

Awkwardly played, yes. In the context of the story and the entire rest of the scene, as well as what all the sources say, EJ did not pull her in front of him. Those odd three second of James with his arms aromd Ali trying to jeep her away from the edge, at the same time as trime as tying to show EJ pulling Sami back and trying to move her away don't override the mountains of evidence that Sami used herself as a shield, not EJ.

I'm hoping they have one of those redo scenes they often start the show with and it's not so awkwardly done. If not, the fact that none of the actors or characters will have perceived it that way, and it's not what the show says happened will be proof enough. If Lucas saw EJ pull Sami in front of him. I'm sure he'll be ranting about it plenty. Yelling about how EJ pulled Sami into the line if fire, because there is no way Lucas would let that go and not mention it.

Imo, That EJ pulled her in front of him is as likely as the Jedi spec, when you look at note than those two seconds.
That was how I saw it. I think JS did try to make sure AS didn't fall, but I thought the context was clear. I didn't even give it a thought till I saw the comments and went back to re-watch.

I'm not taking stock in it for the future though. I have no idea where the new writers will go, and I am very afraid they'll go with merry-go-round partners. Regardless of how it plays out, I absolutely loved it. It was the first time I've seen a nice soapy moment in ages. Who'd a thought it would be Sami making me smile.

Aside from that, my biggest cliffhanger thought was with Chad shaking poor helpless wounded unconscious Andrew. I wish we could keep looney Andrew. He was fun and interesting. I'm also surprised that I have actually liked Melanie (figures I would now that she is leaving). I like Gabi too. Not because it's a great performance by CB (although I think she may need time to grow into an evil role), but the show needs more villains, and I am into her getting found out. I can see them dragging this out.

I was bummed seeing Jack and Jennifer. I guess the writers were trying to give a we're such a happy contented couple feel now that they're ready to kill Jack off, but it was such a bitter feeling.

I'm also already lamenting that Bo will be leaving. Why do we need Roman and Rafe? I don't understand why PR has to go, but we always keep Roman who is sooo painful to watch. Maybe they could recast GG as Roman if they are so interested in GG and keeping Sami's father (j/k sorta...).

Random thought - When Roman was pointing that gun at Ej, I did have a brief flashback to Abe shooting Brady way back when, and thought, what a moment that might be if Roman's Ej obsession ended up with Sami shot, the way his Brady obsession ended with Brady getting shot.

Speaking of Brady. While I thought it was odd that when he's supposed to get married, he runs off hunting Melanie, I do prefer him more action oriented like this. I've missed the young heroic types (John, Bo, Shane, Steve, etc), and Rafe just doesn't cut it for me as he's been played up till now.
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Dakotasmom
Jul 29 2012, 06:19 AM
Wondering where it is headed. They just got new writers, so all speculation is valid and not just spinning IMO
I'm a big supporter of speculation, as in trying to predict what will happen next. Spinning, I think, is trying to find a way to interpret a scene that already played out in a way favorable to the direction the spinner wants the story to go. It doesn't change anything, but if it gets people to continue watching, I'm all for it.
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Dakotasmom
Jul 29 2012, 06:19 AM
Wondering where it is headed. They just got new writers, so all speculation is valid and not just spinning IMO
Me too. What makes it harder is that we don't really know what was Tomsell and what was Higley from the last run. If they shared the same opinion, I am guessing that Safe is endgame and Ejole is toast too. At this point I don't care - its all musical chairs, and has been for years.
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julieg1977
Jul 29 2012, 12:24 AM
rpmaluki
Jul 28 2012, 09:11 PM
Ash you are so right, he would have put Nicole behind him, not in front of him in the line of fire.
He wouldn't have had to put Nicole behind him, she would have put herself there. We all see where Nicole is when EJ is in trouble. So much for true love. lol EJ said it himself "every single time our lives spin out of control, we end up in exactly the sam place...TOGETHER". He wasn't talking to Nicole.
EJ wouldn't want Nicole to get shot, can't say the same thing about Nicole wanting EJ to get shot. (Nicole's one of my favorites, but she ain't in a good place, cuz you know, it'll always be Sami, Sami, Sami.)



Edited by SpriteEyes, Jul 29 2012, 07:42 AM.
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rpmaluki
Jul 29 2012, 01:27 AM
Times have changed in deed, Sami and Nicole have swapped roles whether intentionally or not. Even EJ acts more into Nicole than Sami when you compared to the babyswitch/sydnapping s/ls. Nicole is his ideal where as Sami is back up.
I must have been sleepwatching because Nicole has ALWAYS been Sami's replacement.
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Ashtonion
Jul 29 2012, 12:26 AM
EJ used the Beast as a shield and who knows why he grabbed her -- Reflex? To gain points with the cops? Because he can't very well let her fall in front of Roman? Etc. He couldn't very well step on her fingers while she's defenseless and crush them and watch her fall to her death and then just leave her their helpless and dying. That's Sami's mode of operation.
Yeah he could.

He could have let her slip when he had a hold of her wrist, instead he's pulling her up.

Weren't Roman and Lucas knocked unconcious? He could have dropped her and they wouldn't have had a clue he even had her to start with.
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Liz<3Days
Jul 29 2012, 12:26 AM
julieg1977
Jul 29 2012, 12:15 AM
Liz<3Days
Jul 28 2012, 08:27 PM
Well, spoilers have been frequently wrong or not shown as written. Maybe it was an actor's choice since they knew the direction that their character is going to take. Maybe JS stepped in to show that Sami is really insignificant to EJ as long as he gets to escape. He has changed stuff from the script before.
What I quoted wasn't a spoiler, it was a summary written AFTER the show BY NBC. So Days of Our Lives saw it the same way I did.
There are others that saw it as I did too. I dont care what some intern wrote, it does look like EJ pulled the pork.

Hopefully others saw the before and after and have enough wits about them to realize a misstep from the actual storyline.

They could see where EJ told Sami to stay down while he got up and was going to let himself be re-arrested and give Sami time to get away.

EJ didn't have his hands anywhere Sami and she could have moved, ran off, dropped down, exited right but she chose to stand her ground and give her dad the stare of death while telling EJ to run.
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SpriteEyes
Jul 29 2012, 07:53 AM
Liz<3Days
Jul 29 2012, 12:26 AM
julieg1977
Jul 29 2012, 12:15 AM
Liz<3Days
Jul 28 2012, 08:27 PM
Well, spoilers have been frequently wrong or not shown as written. Maybe it was an actor's choice since they knew the direction that their character is going to take. Maybe JS stepped in to show that Sami is really insignificant to EJ as long as he gets to escape. He has changed stuff from the script before.
What I quoted wasn't a spoiler, it was a summary written AFTER the show BY NBC. So Days of Our Lives saw it the same way I did.
There are others that saw it as I did too. I dont care what some intern wrote, it does look like EJ pulled the pork.

Hopefully others saw the before and after and have enough wits about them to realize a misstep from the actual storyline.

They could see where EJ told Sami to stay down while he got up and was going to let himself be re-arrested and give Sami time to get away.

EJ didn't have his hands anywhere Sami and she could have moved, ran off, dropped down, exited right but she chose to stand her ground and give her dad the stare of death while telling EJ to run.
Yeah, the interpretation of EJ using Sami as a shield just doesn't fit with what I saw or make sense, and just detracts from the awesomeness of the scene. I'm curious about what Lucas' reaction is going to be on August 13. In this episode, if EJ was using Sami as a shield, I'm sure Lucas would have yelled "get your hands off of her" or something to that effect. But he didn't, and lord knows, Lucas doesn't let an opportunity to yell go unseized.
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lysie


If y'all are going to do this for this next two weeks, do it somewhere else.
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Matt
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Nope. Nothing new about this episode here. Moving on now...
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Maybe having a break before seeing this episode made me appreciate it more. While it no way measured up to galas from Salem's past, it did bring Melanie's kidnapping to an impressive climax, and it tied in well with EJ's attempt to avoid the snares that Ian has been laying for him. Most depressing note is the weakest actors from the saga of sewers are staying put, and while actor playing Andrew I can only assume is toast. Guess since I have not exactly a Melanie fan, I should give credit where it's due, Molly did help a medicore story, that went on too long, together.
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julieg1977
Jul 29 2012, 12:15 AM
spartan
Jul 28 2012, 08:42 PM
Liz<3Days
Jul 28 2012, 08:27 PM
Well, spoilers have been frequently wrong or not shown as written. Maybe it was an actor's choice since they knew the direction that their character is going to take. Maybe JS stepped in to show that Sami is really insignificant to EJ as long as he gets to escape. He has changed stuff from the script before.
I agree. You can't rely on spoilers or writeups as the end all be all.

You have to watch it which is why it's clear Sami stepped in front of the line of fire for EJ. :wub:

I still would dig it though if they reveal EJ is a Jedi. :jedi:
Since when do you have to watch the show? :huh:
If you want to analyze little acting nuances like the one being discussed. You can't get that from a write up. Like, if I hadn't watched the show, I wouldn't have seen EJ tell Sami to "stay down" to protect her as he was standing up. I wouldn't have seen his right hand pushing her back as she did stand up and started to come in front of him. I also wouldn't have seen Sami standing in front of EJ all on her own. She wasn't forced ( :jedi: )

So my point is you don't get those details from a write up. You have to watch if you want an accurate picture. That's all.
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Okay, I'm a sporadic watcher so this may have been convered, but why was Brady planning a wedding when his best bud Melanie was missing? Did he just find out?
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Mrs. H and Mr. B

I wish Days could have pulled off a cliffhanger like GH or Y&R used to when they had all the cast involved and you were screaming at the tv and the suspense was palpable. I really hope TomSell can do it, but who knows anymore. Things have to change or this show is so dead. The Sami Beast show has to go. If they can't realize that a lot of people are sick of her and her relationships, there is no saving this show. I mean, the guy she's supposed to be with is who?? Lucas, EJ, Rafe? And when you don't know who a woman wants to be with, that means the actress can't pull off the material. I mean, if AS was supposed to "jump" in front of EJ and maybe she was supposed to, but by looking at the footage, that is not what Sami did at all. EJ yanked her there. And that means AS didn't do her job. I mean, the thing about acting is being able to act out a scene in a manner so it's perceived the way it's supposed to be without ambiguousness involved. I'm not saying that scene wasn't tweaked either to make it look like it turned out, but the fact of the matter is, AS is always awkardly off kilter. I can't even tell if she's doing sexual tension or having an asthma attack half the time. That is my problem. A better actress would make all the difference.

At this point, I just want Nicole to get away from Daniel and for AZ to get the material she deserves. TomSell's first order of business, in my opinion, won't be to have Nicole miscarry considering a lot of outcry from her last miscarriage. I think they will use her to the fullest all the way to the delivery if they are smart.
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spartan
Jul 29 2012, 09:37 AM
julieg1977
Jul 29 2012, 12:15 AM
spartan
Jul 28 2012, 08:42 PM
Liz<3Days
Jul 28 2012, 08:27 PM
Well, spoilers have been frequently wrong or not shown as written. Maybe it was an actor's choice since they knew the direction that their character is going to take. Maybe JS stepped in to show that Sami is really insignificant to EJ as long as he gets to escape. He has changed stuff from the script before.
I agree. You can't rely on spoilers or writeups as the end all be all.

You have to watch it which is why it's clear Sami stepped in front of the line of fire for EJ. :wub:

I still would dig it though if they reveal EJ is a Jedi. :jedi:
Since when do you have to watch the show? :huh:
If you want to analyze little acting nuances like the one being discussed. You can't get that from a write up. Like, if I hadn't watched the show, I wouldn't have seen EJ tell Sami to "stay down" to protect her as he was standing up. I wouldn't have seen his right hand pushing her back as she did stand up and started to come in front of him. I also wouldn't have seen Sami standing in front of EJ all on her own. She wasn't forced ( :jedi: )

So my point is you don't get those details from a write up. You have to watch if you want an accurate picture. That's all.
I was being sarcastic. lol
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lysie


We'll reopen the thread after we've gone through it and figured out who all completely ignored the moderation from earlier. Thanks.
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Well I can't stand Sami and wish she would die a horrible horrible (preferably really gory too - but also really quick so I don't have to watch her anymore) death, but it's clear to me that, even if it does look like EJ is pulling Sami in front of him, that TPTB didn't intend for it to look like he's using her as a human shield. I also think the point is moot in the first place since Sami isn't really putting herself in any danger or the "line of fire" considering it's her own dad holding the gun on EJ. Guess he could shoot her "accidentally".

It's pretty funny though.
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On a non-EJ and Sami note, because I did watch the other half hour, I kind of like ABe and Kayla together, and I think Lexie would aprove if they went about it slowly. Could be interesting to have an interacial stroyline.
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You know, I have been watching the latest episodes and the show has really stepped up.. if you look at the other SLs as well. Love the Andrew story.. and Jack, Abby and that has been great. Granted that Lucas been really annoying with his closemindedness, I just hope he gets over it soon and move on. Love EJ and Will.
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