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Spoilers for the week of October 8th; *updated 10/5*
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MissLola
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Oct 2 2012, 10:22 AM
Vicky4Mimi
Oct 2 2012, 10:15 AM
I hate what they are doing to Nicole. HATE IT HATE IT HATE IT!

Rafe hiding the secret for Nicole should be no big deal for Sami. First of all, he has forgiven her for something so much worse and so she owes it to him to forgive as well. Second, Sami is willing to help hide Nicole's baby because once again Ej has proven to her that he isn't worthy of being a dad (blackmailing etc). I think when she gets the full story she will be understanding. At least I hope that's how GT decides to write her.

As for Jen, God love her, but she did stick her nose in people's business after they asked her to stop. A night in jail will do her some good maybe...but I doubt it goes on for much more than a night or so. The truth will come out. It sounds like GT wants to get all these storylines gone that he didn't create. And for the most part I agree with him. (DO not agree in any shape or form what he is doing to Nicole though)

EJ and Nicole need to learn, you can't make someone love you, if they just DON'T. They sooo need to stick together. I hope GT is like the biggest EJOLE fan ever! They need some serious help. And they are both to blame for this precious miracle baby's death. EJ better not try and put the blame on her, after all, if he wasn't so stinking evil he could have been by her side the entire time!
Nicole had no issues with EJ's 'evilness'. The only reason she cut him out of their baby's too short life was because he screwed Sami. EJ is the one person in this baby storyline that is completely blameless in the baby's tragic demise.
Yet somehow he will end up taking good portion of the blame for this. And Rafe and Daniel will get off scott free.
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It would have been far more interesting had jen actually been the reason for nicoles baby to die. But this way they set it up for nicole to be the coniving bitch to use her baby to stay with daniel and torture jen
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Oct 2 2012, 10:17 AM
So, are they going to write Bo and Caroline off together? I'd be really bitter if I were PM.
I don't think so. Deidre posted a video or picture of Peggy on the set recently.
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lysie
Oct 2 2012, 10:24 AM
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Oct 2 2012, 10:22 AM
Vicky4Mimi
Oct 2 2012, 10:15 AM
I hate what they are doing to Nicole. HATE IT HATE IT HATE IT!

Rafe hiding the secret for Nicole should be no big deal for Sami. First of all, he has forgiven her for something so much worse and so she owes it to him to forgive as well. Second, Sami is willing to help hide Nicole's baby because once again Ej has proven to her that he isn't worthy of being a dad (blackmailing etc). I think when she gets the full story she will be understanding. At least I hope that's how GT decides to write her.

As for Jen, God love her, but she did stick her nose in people's business after they asked her to stop. A night in jail will do her some good maybe...but I doubt it goes on for much more than a night or so. The truth will come out. It sounds like GT wants to get all these storylines gone that he didn't create. And for the most part I agree with him. (DO not agree in any shape or form what he is doing to Nicole though)

EJ and Nicole need to learn, you can't make someone love you, if they just DON'T. They sooo need to stick together. I hope GT is like the biggest EJOLE fan ever! They need some serious help. And they are both to blame for this precious miracle baby's death. EJ better not try and put the blame on her, after all, if he wasn't so stinking evil he could have been by her side the entire time!
Nicole had no issues with EJ's 'evilness'. The only reason she cut him out of their baby's too short life was because he screwed Sami. EJ is the one person in this baby storyline that is completely blameless in the baby's tragic demise.
Everyone is blameless in the baby's demise.
I'm actually curious if they will give a reason why the baby died when he was kicking and moving around i know it happens in real life but i find it hard to understand
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I agree i think that there is no real blame to anyone for the babys death sometimes those things just happen. But the writters couldnt leave it there they had to make nicole look bad when it all comes to light
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Courtneya6688
Oct 2 2012, 10:27 AM
It would have been far more interesting had jen actually been the reason for nicoles baby to die. But this way they set it up for nicole to be the coniving bitch to use her baby to stay with daniel and torture jen
that would have made more sense to me than a baby who seemed healthy the night before
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lysie
Oct 2 2012, 10:24 AM
SocRMum1
Oct 2 2012, 10:22 AM
Vicky4Mimi
Oct 2 2012, 10:15 AM
I hate what they are doing to Nicole. HATE IT HATE IT HATE IT!

Rafe hiding the secret for Nicole should be no big deal for Sami. First of all, he has forgiven her for something so much worse and so she owes it to him to forgive as well. Second, Sami is willing to help hide Nicole's baby because once again Ej has proven to her that he isn't worthy of being a dad (blackmailing etc). I think when she gets the full story she will be understanding. At least I hope that's how GT decides to write her.

As for Jen, God love her, but she did stick her nose in people's business after they asked her to stop. A night in jail will do her some good maybe...but I doubt it goes on for much more than a night or so. The truth will come out. It sounds like GT wants to get all these storylines gone that he didn't create. And for the most part I agree with him. (DO not agree in any shape or form what he is doing to Nicole though)

EJ and Nicole need to learn, you can't make someone love you, if they just DON'T. They sooo need to stick together. I hope GT is like the biggest EJOLE fan ever! They need some serious help. And they are both to blame for this precious miracle baby's death. EJ better not try and put the blame on her, after all, if he wasn't so stinking evil he could have been by her side the entire time!
Nicole had no issues with EJ's 'evilness'. The only reason she cut him out of their baby's too short life was because he screwed Sami. EJ is the one person in this baby storyline that is completely blameless in the baby's tragic demise.
Everyone is blameless in the baby's demise.
In the real world sense, yes, but on a soap, where people routinely get blamed for causing miscarriages due to stress, there are several people at fault.
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Oct 2 2012, 10:22 AM
Vicky4Mimi
Oct 2 2012, 10:15 AM
I hate what they are doing to Nicole. HATE IT HATE IT HATE IT!

Rafe hiding the secret for Nicole should be no big deal for Sami. First of all, he has forgiven her for something so much worse and so she owes it to him to forgive as well. Second, Sami is willing to help hide Nicole's baby because once again Ej has proven to her that he isn't worthy of being a dad (blackmailing etc). I think when she gets the full story she will be understanding. At least I hope that's how GT decides to write her.

As for Jen, God love her, but she did stick her nose in people's business after they asked her to stop. A night in jail will do her some good maybe...but I doubt it goes on for much more than a night or so. The truth will come out. It sounds like GT wants to get all these storylines gone that he didn't create. And for the most part I agree with him. (DO not agree in any shape or form what he is doing to Nicole though)

EJ and Nicole need to learn, you can't make someone love you, if they just DON'T. They sooo need to stick together. I hope GT is like the biggest EJOLE fan ever! They need some serious help. And they are both to blame for this precious miracle baby's death. EJ better not try and put the blame on her, after all, if he wasn't so stinking evil he could have been by her side the entire time!
Nicole had no issues with EJ's 'evilness'. The only reason she cut him out of their baby's too short life was because he screwed Sami. EJ is the one person in this baby storyline that is completely blameless in the baby's tragic demise.
Absolutely true!

EJ hasn't been around Nicole enough to even be able to plot or scheme. RAFE, DANIEL, AND NICOLE have done all the scheming, plotting, lying in this story. I don't care if everyone on the planet is as enamoured of Rafe as GT is, the truth must be owned: he's a lying baby stealer, who thinks he's entitled to make judgements about right and wrong for everyone.
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gailwinters
Oct 2 2012, 10:31 AM
SocRMum1
Oct 2 2012, 10:22 AM
Vicky4Mimi
Oct 2 2012, 10:15 AM
I hate what they are doing to Nicole. HATE IT HATE IT HATE IT!

Rafe hiding the secret for Nicole should be no big deal for Sami. First of all, he has forgiven her for something so much worse and so she owes it to him to forgive as well. Second, Sami is willing to help hide Nicole's baby because once again Ej has proven to her that he isn't worthy of being a dad (blackmailing etc). I think when she gets the full story she will be understanding. At least I hope that's how GT decides to write her.

As for Jen, God love her, but she did stick her nose in people's business after they asked her to stop. A night in jail will do her some good maybe...but I doubt it goes on for much more than a night or so. The truth will come out. It sounds like GT wants to get all these storylines gone that he didn't create. And for the most part I agree with him. (DO not agree in any shape or form what he is doing to Nicole though)

EJ and Nicole need to learn, you can't make someone love you, if they just DON'T. They sooo need to stick together. I hope GT is like the biggest EJOLE fan ever! They need some serious help. And they are both to blame for this precious miracle baby's death. EJ better not try and put the blame on her, after all, if he wasn't so stinking evil he could have been by her side the entire time!
Nicole had no issues with EJ's 'evilness'. The only reason she cut him out of their baby's too short life was because he screwed Sami. EJ is the one person in this baby storyline that is completely blameless in the baby's tragic demise.
Absolutely true!

EJ hasn't been around Nicole enough to even be able to plot or scheme. RAFE, DANIEL, AND NICOLE have done all the scheming, plotting, lying in this story. I don't care if everyone on the planet is as enamoured of Rafe as GT is, the truth must be owned: he's a lying baby stealer, who thinks he's entitled to make judgements about right and wrong for everyone.
Would it matter if he owned it? In the grand scale of things, that's not really a blip on the "bad soap things" scale. I agree that the character sucks, but bigger and better characters have lied and covered paternities and their ability to get away with it had nothing to do with favoritism from a writer.
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SocRMum1
Oct 2 2012, 10:22 AM
Vicky4Mimi
Oct 2 2012, 10:15 AM
I hate what they are doing to Nicole. HATE IT HATE IT HATE IT!

Rafe hiding the secret for Nicole should be no big deal for Sami. First of all, he has forgiven her for something so much worse and so she owes it to him to forgive as well. Second, Sami is willing to help hide Nicole's baby because once again Ej has proven to her that he isn't worthy of being a dad (blackmailing etc). I think when she gets the full story she will be understanding. At least I hope that's how GT decides to write her.

As for Jen, God love her, but she did stick her nose in people's business after they asked her to stop. A night in jail will do her some good maybe...but I doubt it goes on for much more than a night or so. The truth will come out. It sounds like GT wants to get all these storylines gone that he didn't create. And for the most part I agree with him. (DO not agree in any shape or form what he is doing to Nicole though)

EJ and Nicole need to learn, you can't make someone love you, if they just DON'T. They sooo need to stick together. I hope GT is like the biggest EJOLE fan ever! They need some serious help. And they are both to blame for this precious miracle baby's death. EJ better not try and put the blame on her, after all, if he wasn't so stinking evil he could have been by her side the entire time!
Nicole had no issues with EJ's 'evilness'. The only reason she cut him out of their baby's too short life was because he screwed Sami. EJ is the one person in this baby storyline that is completely blameless in the baby's tragic demise.
Not just that, but EJ's not the asshole for wanting Sami to love him. That dumb broad was willing to do anything to clear his name/run away with him/be with him, just a few Salem weeks ago, with MONTHS & MONTHS of build up leading up to it. That sent him a message LOUD & CLEAR, yet now she does a total 180 and wants the King of the dickheads back? All of her former feelings be damned?

Seriously. WHAT. THE. FUCKEY DOO?

No wonder the poor guy is confused.

I wish Safe all the happiness in the world. And then I hope a giant monster truck runs them over dead. Cause they are DEAD to me.

#DieSafeDie


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Courtneya6688
Oct 2 2012, 10:27 AM
It would have been far more interesting had jen actually been the reason for nicoles baby to die. But this way they set it up for nicole to be the coniving bitch to use her baby to stay with daniel and torture jen
Why is Jennifer obesessing so much over Nicole? Daniel been around the block a few times, hell he was there when they built the block. Why does she think Nicole has all this power over him. If you ask me they've been writting Jennifer like she's losing her mind. Who gets into a fight with a pregnant woman? And if Nicole goes to stab her and she jumps out the way and Nicole falls down the stairs, then it's still her fault she shouldn't have picked a fight with her to begin with. She's lucky Nicole didn't die. The next spoiler I want to see is 'EJ puts a hit out on Jennifer for the death of his son after Nicole confessing the truth to him'. The bitch should have left Nicole alone.
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Basically Nicole spent this whole pregnancy stressed out from spending all her time plotting against Ej. Dan and Rafe were her accomplices. While it really isn't anyone's fault the baby died. All the stress could not have helped. She chose this herself. There is also no good reason why she shouldn't have gotten her own place. She is a grown woman. How was she to care for a baby when she can't even make a home for it? I know that everyone blames Jenn for arguing with her,and I am no Jenn fan, but she should not have been there to begin with. She is not afraid of Ej, that was just a lame excuse.
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.

lysie
Oct 2 2012, 10:36 AM
gailwinters
Oct 2 2012, 10:31 AM
SocRMum1
Oct 2 2012, 10:22 AM
Vicky4Mimi
Oct 2 2012, 10:15 AM
I hate what they are doing to Nicole. HATE IT HATE IT HATE IT!

Rafe hiding the secret for Nicole should be no big deal for Sami. First of all, he has forgiven her for something so much worse and so she owes it to him to forgive as well. Second, Sami is willing to help hide Nicole's baby because once again Ej has proven to her that he isn't worthy of being a dad (blackmailing etc). I think when she gets the full story she will be understanding. At least I hope that's how GT decides to write her.

As for Jen, God love her, but she did stick her nose in people's business after they asked her to stop. A night in jail will do her some good maybe...but I doubt it goes on for much more than a night or so. The truth will come out. It sounds like GT wants to get all these storylines gone that he didn't create. And for the most part I agree with him. (DO not agree in any shape or form what he is doing to Nicole though)

EJ and Nicole need to learn, you can't make someone love you, if they just DON'T. They sooo need to stick together. I hope GT is like the biggest EJOLE fan ever! They need some serious help. And they are both to blame for this precious miracle baby's death. EJ better not try and put the blame on her, after all, if he wasn't so stinking evil he could have been by her side the entire time!
Nicole had no issues with EJ's 'evilness'. The only reason she cut him out of their baby's too short life was because he screwed Sami. EJ is the one person in this baby storyline that is completely blameless in the baby's tragic demise.
Absolutely true!

EJ hasn't been around Nicole enough to even be able to plot or scheme. RAFE, DANIEL, AND NICOLE have done all the scheming, plotting, lying in this story. I don't care if everyone on the planet is as enamoured of Rafe as GT is, the truth must be owned: he's a lying baby stealer, who thinks he's entitled to make judgements about right and wrong for everyone.
Would it matter if he owned it? In the grand scale of things, that's not really a blip on the "bad soap things" scale. I agree that the character sucks, but bigger and better characters have lied and covered paternities and their ability to get away with it had nothing to do with favoritism from a writer.
There is a repeat history with Rafe on this issue - he lied about Grace, even went so far as to have fake adoption papers drawn up. Then almost the moment he found out about this baby he dove in to claim paternity - and has staunchly defended that lie to everyone (except Carrie), including Sami who he's apparently now vowed to be completely honest with.

I really expected Rafe to fess up to Sami so they could tie Safe up in a nice, pretty bow and be done with Rafe having any kind of potential stink on him (at least in Tomlin's view). The fact they still have him lying almost leads me to think he might suffer just the tiniest consequence for it. But then I blink and realize that's just crazy talk.
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Oct 2 2012, 10:46 AM
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Oct 2 2012, 10:36 AM
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Oct 2 2012, 10:31 AM
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Oct 2 2012, 10:22 AM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deepone person in this baby storyline that is completely blameless in the baby's tragic demise.
Absolutely true!

EJ hasn't been around Nicole enough to even be able to plot or scheme. RAFE, DANIEL, AND NICOLE have done all the scheming, plotting, lying in this story. I don't care if everyone on the planet is as enamoured of Rafe as GT is, the truth must be owned: he's a lying baby stealer, who thinks he's entitled to make judgements about right and wrong for everyone.
Would it matter if he owned it? In the grand scale of things, that's not really a blip on the "bad soap things" scale. I agree that the character sucks, but bigger and better characters have lied and covered paternities and their ability to get away with it had nothing to do with favoritism from a writer.
There is a repeat history with Rafe on this issue - he lied about Grace, even went so far as to have fake adoption papers drawn up. Then almost the moment he found out about this baby he dove in to claim paternity - and has staunchly defended that lie to everyone (except Carrie), including Sami who he's apparently now vowed to be completely honest with.

I really expected Rafe to fess up to Sami so they could tie Safe up in a nice, pretty bow and be done with Rafe having any kind of potential stink on him (at least in Tomlin's view). The fact they still have him lying almost leads me to think he might suffer just the tiniest consequence for it. But then I blink and realize that's just crazy talk.
I know it's a repeat. That doesn't change the fact that it's not a very big soap crime. As a mater of fact, it seems to be the opposite.
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Oct 2 2012, 10:38 AM
Basically Nicole spent this whole pregnancy stressed out from spending all her time plotting against Ej. Dan and Rafe were her accomplices. While it really isn't anyone's fault the baby died. All the stress could not have helped. She chose this herself. There is also no good reason why she shouldn't have gotten her own place. She is a grown woman. How was she to care for a baby when she can't even make a home for it? I know that everyone blames Jenn for arguing with her,and I am no Jenn fan, but she should not have been there to begin with. She is not afraid of Ej, that was just a lame excuse.
I agree with a lot of this, but I think Jen needs to take responsibility for inserting herself into Nicole's drama, then actively adding to her stress. Is it really contrived for Nicole to be homeless? She hasn't had a job in months and it's in character for her to blow through money, so I can buy her not having anything in savings, especially since she was probably paying more for the hotel than she would have for a small apartment or a room somewhere. Although that doesn't explain why she didn't look for another job.

I don't think she's afraid of EJ in general, but I do think she's afraid he would take the kid one day, but that would have been easily avoidable.
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Oct 2 2012, 10:37 AM
I wish Safe all the happiness in the world. And then I hope a giant monster truck runs them over dead. Cause they are DEAD to me.

#DieSafeDie


You make me laugh about all this.
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Oct 2 2012, 10:50 AM
MissLola
Oct 2 2012, 10:38 AM
Basically Nicole spent this whole pregnancy stressed out from spending all her time plotting against Ej. Dan and Rafe were her accomplices. While it really isn't anyone's fault the baby died. All the stress could not have helped. She chose this herself. There is also no good reason why she shouldn't have gotten her own place. She is a grown woman. How was she to care for a baby when she can't even make a home for it? I know that everyone blames Jenn for arguing with her,and I am no Jenn fan, but she should not have been there to begin with. She is not afraid of Ej, that was just a lame excuse.
I agree with a lot of this, but I think Jen needs to take responsibility for inserting herself into Nicole's drama, then actively adding to her stress. Is it really contrived for Nicole to be homeless? She hasn't had a job in months and it's in character for her to blow through money, so I can buy her not having anything in savings, especially since she was probably paying more for the hotel than she would have for a small apartment or a room somewhere. Although that doesn't explain why she didn't look for another job.

I don't think she's afraid of EJ in general, but I do think she's afraid he would take the kid one day, but that would have been easily avoidable.
See, as crafty as Nicole is I think that anyone of those men including Brady, would have helped her out with money for a place until she got back on her feet. And is it completely contrived for her to be living with Jenn. Jenn is a bitch, but she also just lost a husband and Nicole was pressing her buttons.
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I'd support a "love 'em and leave 'em" EJ/Jen pairing followed by an EJ/Gabi tryst as revenge on them, Daniel, and Rafe. Old worn-out Sami can be blissfully happy with her bore of a boyfriend, St. Rafe.
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Oct 2 2012, 10:48 AM
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Oct 2 2012, 10:46 AM
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Oct 2 2012, 10:36 AM
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Oct 2 2012, 10:31 AM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deepone
Would it matter if he owned it? In the grand scale of things, that's not really a blip on the "bad soap things" scale. I agree that the character sucks, but bigger and better characters have lied and covered paternities and their ability to get away with it had nothing to do with favoritism from a writer.
There is a repeat history with Rafe on this issue - he lied about Grace, even went so far as to have fake adoption papers drawn up. Then almost the moment he found out about this baby he dove in to claim paternity - and has staunchly defended that lie to everyone (except Carrie), including Sami who he's apparently now vowed to be completely honest with.

I really expected Rafe to fess up to Sami so they could tie Safe up in a nice, pretty bow and be done with Rafe having any kind of potential stink on him (at least in Tomlin's view). The fact they still have him lying almost leads me to think he might suffer just the tiniest consequence for it. But then I blink and realize that's just crazy talk.
I know it's a repeat. That doesn't change the fact that it's not a very big soap crime. As a mater of fact, it seems to be the opposite.
Sadly, I think it's being written to be a big deal so that Sami can be outraged that he has the audacity to lie to HER, when they promised to be honest. His big lie will be reduced to HUGE :rolleyes: angst for Safe, never mind that he's trying to keep another of EJ's children away from him. It's all going to be about Sami.

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Oct 2 2012, 10:36 AM
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Oct 2 2012, 10:31 AM
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Oct 2 2012, 10:22 AM
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Oct 2 2012, 10:15 AM
I hate what they are doing to Nicole. HATE IT HATE IT HATE IT!

Rafe hiding the secret for Nicole should be no big deal for Sami. First of all, he has forgiven her for something so much worse and so she owes it to him to forgive as well. Second, Sami is willing to help hide Nicole's baby because once again Ej has proven to her that he isn't worthy of being a dad (blackmailing etc). I think when she gets the full story she will be understanding. At least I hope that's how GT decides to write her.

As for Jen, God love her, but she did stick her nose in people's business after they asked her to stop. A night in jail will do her some good maybe...but I doubt it goes on for much more than a night or so. The truth will come out. It sounds like GT wants to get all these storylines gone that he didn't create. And for the most part I agree with him. (DO not agree in any shape or form what he is doing to Nicole though)

EJ and Nicole need to learn, you can't make someone love you, if they just DON'T. They sooo need to stick together. I hope GT is like the biggest EJOLE fan ever! They need some serious help. And they are both to blame for this precious miracle baby's death. EJ better not try and put the blame on her, after all, if he wasn't so stinking evil he could have been by her side the entire time!
Nicole had no issues with EJ's 'evilness'. The only reason she cut him out of their baby's too short life was because he screwed Sami. EJ is the one person in this baby storyline that is completely blameless in the baby's tragic demise.
Absolutely true!

EJ hasn't been around Nicole enough to even be able to plot or scheme. RAFE, DANIEL, AND NICOLE have done all the scheming, plotting, lying in this story. I don't care if everyone on the planet is as enamoured of Rafe as GT is, the truth must be owned: he's a lying baby stealer, who thinks he's entitled to make judgements about right and wrong for everyone.
Would it matter if he owned it? In the grand scale of things, that's not really a blip on the "bad soap things" scale. I agree that the character sucks, but bigger and better characters have lied and covered paternities and their ability to get away with it had nothing to do with favoritism from a writer.
What do you mean by "getting away with it"? I'm not expecting Rafe to go to jail, but looking back GT's regime seems to be the only one where people don't pay for their paternity coverups. Well, Sami didn't get torn apart in the Belle story, but she was a victim in that story, too.
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