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Spoilers for the week of October 8th; *updated 10/5*
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LuvingLumi
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Oct 2 2012, 10:59 AM
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Come on Ron, We are counting on YOU !!
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I hate what they are doing to Nicole. HATE IT HATE IT HATE IT!
Rafe hiding the secret for Nicole should be no big deal for Sami. First of all, he has forgiven her for something so much worse and so she owes it to him to forgive as well. Second, Sami is willing to help hide Nicole's baby because once again Ej has proven to her that he isn't worthy of being a dad (blackmailing etc). I think when she gets the full story she will be understanding. At least I hope that's how GT decides to write her.
As for Jen, God love her, but she did stick her nose in people's business after they asked her to stop. A night in jail will do her some good maybe...but I doubt it goes on for much more than a night or so. The truth will come out. It sounds like GT wants to get all these storylines gone that he didn't create. And for the most part I agree with him. (DO not agree in any shape or form what he is doing to Nicole though)
EJ and Nicole need to learn, you can't make someone love you, if they just DON'T. They sooo need to stick together. I hope GT is like the biggest EJOLE fan ever! They need some serious help. And they are both to blame for this precious miracle baby's death. EJ better not try and put the blame on her, after all, if he wasn't so stinking evil he could have been by her side the entire time!
Nicole had no issues with EJ's 'evilness'. The only reason she cut him out of their baby's too short life was because he screwed Sami. EJ is the one person in this baby storyline that is completely blameless in the baby's tragic demise.
Not just that, but EJ's not the asshole for wanting Sami to love him. That dumb broad was willing to do anything to clear his name/run away with him/be with him, just a few Salem weeks ago, with MONTHS & MONTHS of build up leading up to it. That sent him a message LOUD & CLEAR, yet now she does a total 180 and wants the King of the dickheads back? All of her former feelings be damned? Seriously. WHAT. THE. FUCKEY DOO? No wonder the poor guy is confused. I wish Safe all the happiness in the world. And then I hope a giant monster truck runs them over dead. Cause they are DEAD to me. #DieSafeDie Sami sends LOUD and CLEAR messages all the time doesn't she?...She wuvs Rafe so much that when she thinks her kid is dead rushes to Ej and fucks him, then about 3 months later, her and rafe are through but she loves Lucas, cancels plane ticket so he won't go back to HK, tells him to stay, she wants to be in a committed relationship but instead of doing that what does she do? Runs off with Ej instead, tries to prove his innocence, swaps spit with the guy enough to actually make him believe that something might be going on here...feelings, yes, that's it...it's her FEEEEELINGS wooo, wooo....anyway....guess what happens? Yep...she agrees to a date with him, he even has flowers rushed into Salem from half way around the world, then BAM Rafe arrives kisses her and oh oh....she cancels said date with Ej...cause...well you know she has to be alone, focus on the the kids, her job....yep....but what does she do the minute Ej leaves? She invites Rafe on a date....he accepts...the go, they kiss, she wants HIM NOW......
Sami's messages are more like smoke signals on a foggy day....you don't see shit because she means NOTHING of what she says. The woman is a train wreck and only delusional fools like Rafe, Ej and yes Lucas too would want her...because we all know that it's only a matter of time before Lucas' dick is bouncing back around Sami and he's my favorite but I would rather see him in another meaningful realationship at this point that see him be one of Sami's 3 fools.
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gailwinters
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Oct 2 2012, 10:59 AM
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- Lanemack
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- Oct 2 2012, 10:37 AM
I wish Safe all the happiness in the world. And then I hope a giant monster truck runs them over dead. Cause they are DEAD to me.
#DieSafeDie
You make me laugh about all this. I'm picturing Michelle spitting a la Stephano, while she says the "dead to me" part.
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lysie
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Oct 2 2012, 10:59 AM
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There is a repeat history with Rafe on this issue - he lied about Grace, even went so far as to have fake adoption papers drawn up. Then almost the moment he found out about this baby he dove in to claim paternity - and has staunchly defended that lie to everyone (except Carrie), including Sami who he's apparently now vowed to be completely honest with. I really expected Rafe to fess up to Sami so they could tie Safe up in a nice, pretty bow and be done with Rafe having any kind of potential stink on him (at least in Tomlin's view). The fact they still have him lying almost leads me to think he might suffer just the tiniest consequence for it. But then I blink and realize that's just crazy talk.
I know it's a repeat. That doesn't change the fact that it's not a very big soap crime. As a mater of fact, it seems to be the opposite.
Sadly, I think it's being written to be a big deal so that Sami can be outraged that he has the audacity to lie to HER, when they promised to be honest. His big lie will be reduced to HUGE :rolleyes: angst for Safe, never mind that he's trying to keep another of EJ's children away from him. It's all going to be about Sami. Lol. Maybe. But I doubt it. And if that's the case, I don't think it's particularly sad.
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gailwinters
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Oct 2 2012, 11:01 AM
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- lysie
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I know it's a repeat. That doesn't change the fact that it's not a very big soap crime. As a mater of fact, it seems to be the opposite.
Sadly, I think it's being written to be a big deal so that Sami can be outraged that he has the audacity to lie to HER, when they promised to be honest. His big lie will be reduced to HUGE :rolleyes: angst for Safe, never mind that he's trying to keep another of EJ's children away from him. It's all going to be about Sami.
Lol. Maybe. But I doubt it. And if that's the case, I don't think it's particularly sad. It's sad for me as a viewer trying to find some reason to watch this train wreck of a story.
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Oct 2 2012, 11:04 AM
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- six
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Quoting limited to 4 levels deepone person in this baby storyline that is completely blameless in the baby's tragic demise.
Absolutely true! EJ hasn't been around Nicole enough to even be able to plot or scheme. RAFE, DANIEL, AND NICOLE have done all the scheming, plotting, lying in this story. I don't care if everyone on the planet is as enamoured of Rafe as GT is, the truth must be owned: he's a lying baby stealer, who thinks he's entitled to make judgements about right and wrong for everyone.
Would it matter if he owned it? In the grand scale of things, that's not really a blip on the "bad soap things" scale. I agree that the character sucks, but bigger and better characters have lied and covered paternities and their ability to get away with it had nothing to do with favoritism from a writer.
What do you mean by "getting away with it"? I'm not expecting Rafe to go to jail, but looking back GT's regime seems to be the only one where people don't pay for their paternity coverups. Well, Sami didn't get torn apart in the Belle story, but she was a victim in that story, too. Really? I can't think of any stories where anyone has paid for a paternity lie. I don't remember it ever being a big deal until it started affecting EJ. Even with Sami/Austin in 97 it was only one more thing in a long list of things that made Austin dump Sami.
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lysie
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Oct 2 2012, 11:05 AM
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Sadly, I think it's being written to be a big deal so that Sami can be outraged that he has the audacity to lie to HER, when they promised to be honest. His big lie will be reduced to HUGE :rolleyes: angst for Safe, never mind that he's trying to keep another of EJ's children away from him. It's all going to be about Sami.
Lol. Maybe. But I doubt it. And if that's the case, I don't think it's particularly sad.
It's sad for me as a viewer trying to find some reason to watch this train wreck of a story. Well, there's your reason. The implosion of Safe. But I don't think it will happen that way.
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Oct 2 2012, 11:05 AM
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- MissLola
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Basically Nicole spent this whole pregnancy stressed out from spending all her time plotting against Ej. Dan and Rafe were her accomplices. While it really isn't anyone's fault the baby died. All the stress could not have helped. She chose this herself. There is also no good reason why she shouldn't have gotten her own place. She is a grown woman. How was she to care for a baby when she can't even make a home for it? I know that everyone blames Jenn for arguing with her,and I am no Jenn fan, but she should not have been there to begin with. She is not afraid of Ej, that was just a lame excuse.
I agree with a lot of this, but I think Jen needs to take responsibility for inserting herself into Nicole's drama, then actively adding to her stress. Is it really contrived for Nicole to be homeless? She hasn't had a job in months and it's in character for her to blow through money, so I can buy her not having anything in savings, especially since she was probably paying more for the hotel than she would have for a small apartment or a room somewhere. Although that doesn't explain why she didn't look for another job. I don't think she's afraid of EJ in general, but I do think she's afraid he would take the kid one day, but that would have been easily avoidable.
See, as crafty as Nicole is I think that anyone of those men including Brady, would have helped her out with money for a place until she got back on her feet. And is it completely contrived for her to be living with Jenn. Jenn is a bitch, but she also just lost a husband and Nicole was pressing her buttons. Oh, I agree that it's contrived for her to move in with Jennifer, especially considering they hate each other. I just don't think it's contrived that Nicole wouldn't be able to pay her own way. I think she could have gone to Brady, too, but didn't she move out of the hotel in the first place because she was angling to move in with Daniel? I could see her choosing to move in with Jennifer over asking Brady for help, just because it gives her a chance to keep an eye on dannifer. What I don't understand is why Jennifer extended the invitation, considering she's jumped at every opportunity to take Nicole's bait. She is smart enough to know Nicole was going to needle her at every turn.
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Oct 2 2012, 11:05 AM
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Basically Nicole spent this whole pregnancy stressed out from spending all her time plotting against Ej. Dan and Rafe were her accomplices. While it really isn't anyone's fault the baby died. All the stress could not have helped. She chose this herself. There is also no good reason why she shouldn't have gotten her own place. She is a grown woman. How was she to care for a baby when she can't even make a home for it? I know that everyone blames Jenn for arguing with her,and I am no Jenn fan, but she should not have been there to begin with. She is not afraid of Ej, that was just a lame excuse.
I agree with a lot of this, but I think Jen needs to take responsibility for inserting herself into Nicole's drama, then actively adding to her stress. Is it really contrived for Nicole to be homeless? She hasn't had a job in months and it's in character for her to blow through money, so I can buy her not having anything in savings, especially since she was probably paying more for the hotel than she would have for a small apartment or a room somewhere. Although that doesn't explain why she didn't look for another job. I don't think she's afraid of EJ in general, but I do think she's afraid he would take the kid one day, but that would have been easily avoidable.
See, as crafty as Nicole is I think that anyone of those men including Brady, would have helped her out with money for a place until she got back on her feet. And is it completely contrived for her to be living with Jenn. Jenn is a bitch, but she also just lost a husband and Nicole was pressing her buttons. If Jen-Jen's buttons were so easily pushed, she had no business inviting a woman she dislikes and who dislikes her to move in with her in the first place. Just what did she think was going to happen? Not to mention that Jennifer made no more effort to get along with Nicole than Nicole made with her. In fact, she started gunning for Nicole just about the moment after she learned Nicole was involved with Daniel--picking fights, hurling accusations, and generally being a bitch on wheels. Honestly, why invite someone with a high-risk medical condition to live with you when you aren't even going to try to coexist peacefully with that person? Both Jennifer and Nicole were far too intent on impressing Daniel than either should have been. Jennifer has a husband to mourn and children to care for, Nicole had her unborn baby's welfare to consider. Neither should have been obsessing over a fickle douchebag like Daniel.
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Mitchapalooza
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Oct 2 2012, 11:06 AM
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^ My face watching DAYS
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Thursday ("Nicole's Accident") Jennifer causes Nicole to take a terrible fall; Stefano meets with Kristen in Europe.
Seriously who needs any other spoilers, when we got this gem right here!
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Oct 2 2012, 11:08 AM
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is there any chance the baby is alive
what will they do for nov sweeps
they pulled the baby out which is a GOOD sign imho
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Oct 2 2012, 11:10 AM
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Come on Ron, We are counting on YOU !!
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- pennieloafer
- Oct 2 2012, 11:08 AM
is there any chance the baby is alive
what will they do for nov sweeps
they pulled the baby out which is a GOOD sign imho For November sweeps the truth will come out that the baby was already dead by the time Nicole took the fall down the stairs and add since it's likely that Rafe won't come clean about him not being NIcole's baby daddy Sami will find out and boo hoo all the way to Ej's house and tell him the truth and then they will have grief sex over the loss of his son Daniel Rafael. :-/
Then Nicole goes to church to turn a new leaf and sees Father Eric standing there....
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Why don't they take some time to clean Sam's act up. She didn't have to get so close to EJ after Rafe broke things off with her. She sure shouldn't be about to kiss him. Why have her act so skanky. The man you're suppose to be madly in love with ends things with you and you're already in the same day ready to lock lips with the another guy? She could have been with EJ and kept her distance and Rafe seeing them together would have had the same effect.
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Oct 2 2012, 11:12 AM
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Would it matter if he owned it? In the grand scale of things, that's not really a blip on the "bad soap things" scale. I agree that the character sucks, but bigger and better characters have lied and covered paternities and their ability to get away with it had nothing to do with favoritism from a writer.
What do you mean by "getting away with it"? I'm not expecting Rafe to go to jail, but looking back GT's regime seems to be the only one where people don't pay for their paternity coverups. Well, Sami didn't get torn apart in the Belle story, but she was a victim in that story, too.
Really? I can't think of any stories where anyone has paid for a paternity lie. I don't remember it ever being a big deal until it started affecting EJ. Even with Sami/Austin in 97 it was only one more thing in a long list of things that made Austin dump Sami. Maybe we have different definitions of "paying." I would consider the way Sami got humiliated at the 97 wedding and had to deal with Lucas being angry with her payment. Then it happened again when Brandon had their marriage annulled when he found out she'd switched Theo's paternity. The same situation played out with Mimi and Shawn over Claire.
If Sami would rip into Rafe for lying to her and break things off with him, I'd feel that he suffered the consequences of what he did, but since Sami is asking to get in on the scam, it doesn't look like that day will come.
Edited by six, Oct 2 2012, 11:30 AM.
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Oct 2 2012, 11:13 AM
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oh fuck i think it is dead, nm
she falls down the stairs with the baby inside jesus christ
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Oct 2 2012, 11:14 AM
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Would it matter if he owned it? In the grand scale of things, that's not really a blip on the "bad soap things" scale. I agree that the character sucks, but bigger and better characters have lied and covered paternities and their ability to get away with it had nothing to do with favoritism from a writer.
What do you mean by "getting away with it"? I'm not expecting Rafe to go to jail, but looking back GT's regime seems to be the only one where people don't pay for their paternity coverups. Well, Sami didn't get torn apart in the Belle story, but she was a victim in that story, too.
Really? I can't think of any stories where anyone has paid for a paternity lie. I don't remember it ever being a big deal until it started affecting EJ. Even with Sami/Austin in 97 it was only one more thing in a long list of things that made Austin dump Sami.
ICAM!!!
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Oct 2 2012, 11:14 AM
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is there any chance the baby is alive
what will they do for nov sweeps
they pulled the baby out which is a GOOD sign imho
For November sweeps the truth will come out that the baby was already dead by the time Nicole took the fall down the stairs and add since it's likely that Rafe won't come clean about him not being NIcole's baby daddy Sami will find out and boo hoo all the way to Ej's house and tell him the truth and then they will have grief sex over the loss of his son Daniel Rafael. :-/ Then Nicole goes to church to turn a new leaf and sees Father Eric standing there.... yeah that's totall what's going to happen
FUCK YOU TOMSELL THE BABY KILLER
this is the worst shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i am tweeting #fireTomSell and #babykiller
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Oct 2 2012, 11:15 AM
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when did AZ tweet its a happy day or something to that effect?
also when is the horton house scene with ej and rafe and daniel going to air..does it tie into around the sweeps? *assuming this is when they find out*
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Oct 2 2012, 11:16 AM
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.
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- lysie
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Would it matter if he owned it? In the grand scale of things, that's not really a blip on the "bad soap things" scale. I agree that the character sucks, but bigger and better characters have lied and covered paternities and their ability to get away with it had nothing to do with favoritism from a writer.
There is a repeat history with Rafe on this issue - he lied about Grace, even went so far as to have fake adoption papers drawn up. Then almost the moment he found out about this baby he dove in to claim paternity - and has staunchly defended that lie to everyone (except Carrie), including Sami who he's apparently now vowed to be completely honest with. I really expected Rafe to fess up to Sami so they could tie Safe up in a nice, pretty bow and be done with Rafe having any kind of potential stink on him (at least in Tomlin's view). The fact they still have him lying almost leads me to think he might suffer just the tiniest consequence for it. But then I blink and realize that's just crazy talk.
I know it's a repeat. That doesn't change the fact that it's not a very big soap crime. As a mater of fact, it seems to be the opposite. I think the severity of the crime is subjective. It's an issue for me on a couple of levels - first, that Rafe is constantly presented as the paragon of virtue and goodness. His super hero cape is rarely tarnished - the worst he's ever been written in general was when he was making goo goo eyes at his sister in law before he had an inkling about the EJami grief sex. Yet - in truth, he's consistently been shown to be a liar and uses his position within law enforcement to manipulate the 'facts' to suit his needs or to protect those whom he chooses to protect. He seems to feel entitled to playing judge and jury for everyone based on his personal relationship with them. And as I mentioned earlier, he's had a history of screwing with EJ's parental rights in particular. That ramps up the severity level for me given that he completely got away with it the first time and I'd bet $$ will again.
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Oct 2 2012, 11:17 AM
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Why don't they take some time to clean Sam's act up. She didn't have to get so close to EJ after Rafe broke things off with her. She sure shouldn't be about to kiss him. Why have her act so skanky. The man you're suppose to be madly in love with ends things with you and you're already in the same day ready to lock lips with the another guy? She could have been with EJ and kept her distance and Rafe seeing them together would have had the same effect. boy i can't believe it but i actually miss the days when everyone would be like sami what did you do now lol
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Oct 2 2012, 11:23 AM
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the only way the baby might not be dead is if nicole fakes her fall completely
but if she really falls then that's bad news
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