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Spoilers for the week of October 8th; *updated 10/5*
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I think nicole destroys the test results because she is in denial and just uses what happens what happens with jen
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Nicole might as well come clean to EJ now. The baby has died, and there's no longer a reason to keep the secret. Sure, they'll be mad as hell, but whatever. And what was Nikki planning to do by destroying the records? It's not like she knew she'd get into it with Jennibitch. I do wish Jennifer DID get stabbed by Nicole then Days would be much better.
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Really? I can't think of any stories where anyone has paid for a paternity lie. I don't remember it ever being a big deal until it started affecting EJ. Even with Sami/Austin in 97 it was only one more thing in a long list of things that made Austin dump Sami.
Maybe we have different definitions of "paying." I would consider the way Sami got humiliated at the 97 wedding and had to deal with Lucas being angry with her payment. Then it happened again when Brandon had their marriage annulled when he found out she'd switched Theo's paternity. The same situation played out with Mimi and Shawn over Claire.

If Sami would rip into Rafe for lying to her and break things off with him, I'd feel that he suffered the consequences of what he did, but since Sami is asking to get in on the scam, it doesn't look like that day will come.
The thing is, it doesn't affect Sami. So her tearing into him about it would be irrelevant. Sami's past paternity lies negatively affected the people she was with, so them berating her made sense. EJ berating Rafe would be the equivalent payment in this case.

Ultimately, I just don't see why Rafe's "crimes" should ever be a big deal when EJ and Stefano an even Sami and Nicole are walking around free as can be. Rafe is a nothing character with no personality and no real relevance to Days and trying to make him pay for all the nothing he does while organ thieves, money thieves, kidnappers, and shooters can walk freely about town seems ridiculous to me. It's not like he's the only one in the group to get away with something. And his something is a lot smaller than any of the rest of them can claim. I will give him credit for being able to snatch this story right out from under Nicoke though. Maybe he's more relevant than I am willing to acknowledge.
But it does affect her, because he's lying to her to help her worst enemy. And she's friendly with EJ and feels (felt) that she and Rafe made a mistake with Grace. And, she's Sami and when is it not all about her? But really, it's not just about the characters, it's about the audience and soaps are in part about payoff, not someone committing crime after crime without facing consequences. Even Stephanie paid for a paternity lie and she didn't even switch the results.

And Stefano, EJ, Sami and Nicole have paid. I suppose someone could argue that their payment wasn't proportional to the crime, but I don't think it's accurate that they never lose anything. Unlike Rafe, who's been lying and stealing kids and generally acting like a thug when it suits him and hasn't lost anything except Sami when she kicked him out after the cafe kiss.

NIcoke :wub2: I wish she was a drug addict, because that would be perfect.
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I do enjoy a scheming nicole but not these depressing stories the show oves to give her the first time she miscarried i didn't watch for almost a year or so just not interested in watching the same characters have to face the same tradgies over and over
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Don't get up. So how are you? What happened, eh? Let me guess, Stefano told you that you could fly,and you jumped off a building. HeHe It's funny right, no I'm sorry Bad EJ, I should'nt be that cruel!

Lanemack
Oct 2 2012, 10:56 AM
I'd support a "love 'em and leave 'em" EJ/Jen pairing followed by an EJ/Gabi tryst as revenge on them, Daniel, and Rafe. Old worn-out Sami can be blissfully happy with her bore of a boyfriend, St. Rafe.
At this point, I will support Ej with anyone but Sami. I am sick of her playing musical chairs.

I never understood why the writers never made Ej a womanizer.

I always supported that theory.
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wait what's the deal with the substitute doctor, i missed that

why would they make a point of saying its a sub
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Oct 2 2012, 12:26 PM
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Oct 2 2012, 10:56 AM
I'd support a "love 'em and leave 'em" EJ/Jen pairing followed by an EJ/Gabi tryst as revenge on them, Daniel, and Rafe. Old worn-out Sami can be blissfully happy with her bore of a boyfriend, St. Rafe.
At this point, I will support Ej with anyone but Sami. I am sick of her playing musical chairs.

I never understood why the writers never made Ej a womanizer.

I always supported that theory.
Absolutely! I'm fine with EJ always feeling a "connection" with Sami and taunting her with his charms (*sigh* - he does that SO well) but it does become unbelievable that a handsome, rich man such as EJ has nothing better to do than live ALONE and continually scheme to get this, um, prize called Sami. It would make more sense to have him flit from woman to woman - and maybe always want Sami - but live a gloriously rich, exciting life without her. She can baste in Rafe's plaid boringness for all I care.
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Oct 2 2012, 12:17 PM
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Oct 2 2012, 11:52 AM
Spoilers from SoapsSheKnows:
-Nicole is furious about seeing Dannifer together, and rushes to the hospital to destroy the evidence of her most recent visit. She and Dan plan to move to Utah, since Daniel quits. Nicole gets into a huge clash with Jennifer and considers stabbing her. Jennifer and her get into a fight where Nicole falls down the stairs. Nicole blames her for forcing her into labor, where she gives birth to a stillborn baby boy. Billie and Brady tells the police he heard the women arguing when Nicole fell, and Jennifer is arrested for the murder of Nicole's baby.

-Sami and Rafe kiss, but run into EJ on their date. She asks Rafe to tell him the truth of the paternity secret. He doesn't, but she is willing to keep the child from EJ. Rafe does end up telling Sami that he forgive her for her tryst with EJ.

-Caroline worries her family. Kayla tests her and realizes she has Alzheimer's. Her family will be there for her.
-Bo wants to travel the world, but Hope isn't too keen on the idea, and Caroline gives him second thoughts.
-Kate gives Nick an offer. Then, Chad advises her to let go of Stefano.
-Abby wants to uncover the truth about Melanie's sudden departure.
-Stefano tries from Europe to reach out to EJ. When EJ declines, Stefano calls Kristen for assistance.
-Jennifer tells Billie about her frustration with Nicole. She also confronts Nicole-again-for ruining Daniel's life.
-Jennifer vows in front of Brady to take down Nicole.
-Sami and Rafe share yet another passionate kiss.

Wow, this whole post, with the exception of the names Kristen, Stefano and Kate, is one big container of suck.

Now I see why we needed a substitute doctor. Nicole has always been a bit of a nutjob, but this is all just too much. What sort of person immediately comes up with a plan like that? I thought she was just going to fake the crime at the spur of the moment, not set up things in advance by covering up the fact that she'd gone to the OBGYN.
I think the destruction of the records is to prevent Daniel from finding out, not to set up Jen. The other spoilers talk about how Daniel and Nicole plan to move to Utah after she destroys the records. I don't even think the fights are to set up Jen. I think the only part that is a set-up might be Nicole's fall. But I could be wrong, it's hard to know for sure from the spoilers.

Nonetheless, it's clear that Nicole has gone around the deep end again. Yay!! She's more fun that way.
Hmm, that makes sense. Her faking the results to trick Dan makes it a bit better. I was thinking it was about Jennifer, since Nicole initially went looking for Dan, presumably to tell him the truth, and only destroyed the results after she saw Dannifer, but I could see her figuring the baby would be her only way to convince Dan to leave town with her.
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Oct 2 2012, 12:23 PM
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Maybe we have different definitions of "paying." I would consider the way Sami got humiliated at the 97 wedding and had to deal with Lucas being angry with her payment. Then it happened again when Brandon had their marriage annulled when he found out she'd switched Theo's paternity. The same situation played out with Mimi and Shawn over Claire.

If Sami would rip into Rafe for lying to her and break things off with him, I'd feel that he suffered the consequences of what he did, but since Sami is asking to get in on the scam, it doesn't look like that day will come.
The thing is, it doesn't affect Sami. So her tearing into him about it would be irrelevant. Sami's past paternity lies negatively affected the people she was with, so them berating her made sense. EJ berating Rafe would be the equivalent payment in this case.

Ultimately, I just don't see why Rafe's "crimes" should ever be a big deal when EJ and Stefano an even Sami and Nicole are walking around free as can be. Rafe is a nothing character with no personality and no real relevance to Days and trying to make him pay for all the nothing he does while organ thieves, money thieves, kidnappers, and shooters can walk freely about town seems ridiculous to me. It's not like he's the only one in the group to get away with something. And his something is a lot smaller than any of the rest of them can claim. I will give him credit for being able to snatch this story right out from under Nicoke though. Maybe he's more relevant than I am willing to acknowledge.
But it does affect her, because he's lying to her to help her worst enemy. And she's friendly with EJ and feels (felt) that she and Rafe made a mistake with Grace. And, she's Sami and when is it not all about her? But really, it's not just about the characters, it's about the audience and soaps are in part about payoff, not someone committing crime after crime without facing consequences. Even Stephanie paid for a paternity lie and she didn't even switch the results.

And Stefano, EJ, Sami and Nicole have paid. I suppose someone could argue that their payment wasn't proportional to the crime, but I don't think it's accurate that they never lose anything. Unlike Rafe, who's been lying and stealing kids and generally acting like a thug when it suits him and hasn't lost anything except Sami when she kicked him out after the cafe kiss.

NIcoke :wub2: I wish she was a drug addict, because that would be perfect.
I wouldn't agree that Rafe hasn't lost anything. He might not have lost anything long term, but neither have the rest of them. He got thrown in some South American prison trying to find Anna. He got kidnapped, had his memory erased and a criminal replaced him in his life. He lost his sister. He lost his wife and family (and I know some people hate that Rafe was close to the kids, but he was). And, in terms of the Grace lie, he lost Grace when she died. He would never have felt that loss if he had not participated in the lie. So, I'd say he's paid as much for his crimes as anybody else on the show. He just hasn't paid in the ways some people would like. Just as Stefano and EJ have never paid for their crimes in the way I would have liked.
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Don't get up. So how are you? What happened, eh? Let me guess, Stefano told you that you could fly,and you jumped off a building. HeHe It's funny right, no I'm sorry Bad EJ, I should'nt be that cruel!

esp13
Oct 2 2012, 12:39 PM
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Oct 2 2012, 12:23 PM
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Oct 2 2012, 12:02 PM
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Oct 2 2012, 11:12 AM

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The thing is, it doesn't affect Sami. So her tearing into him about it would be irrelevant. Sami's past paternity lies negatively affected the people she was with, so them berating her made sense. EJ berating Rafe would be the equivalent payment in this case.

Ultimately, I just don't see why Rafe's "crimes" should ever be a big deal when EJ and Stefano an even Sami and Nicole are walking around free as can be. Rafe is a nothing character with no personality and no real relevance to Days and trying to make him pay for all the nothing he does while organ thieves, money thieves, kidnappers, and shooters can walk freely about town seems ridiculous to me. It's not like he's the only one in the group to get away with something. And his something is a lot smaller than any of the rest of them can claim. I will give him credit for being able to snatch this story right out from under Nicoke though. Maybe he's more relevant than I am willing to acknowledge.
But it does affect her, because he's lying to her to help her worst enemy. And she's friendly with EJ and feels (felt) that she and Rafe made a mistake with Grace. And, she's Sami and when is it not all about her? But really, it's not just about the characters, it's about the audience and soaps are in part about payoff, not someone committing crime after crime without facing consequences. Even Stephanie paid for a paternity lie and she didn't even switch the results.

And Stefano, EJ, Sami and Nicole have paid. I suppose someone could argue that their payment wasn't proportional to the crime, but I don't think it's accurate that they never lose anything. Unlike Rafe, who's been lying and stealing kids and generally acting like a thug when it suits him and hasn't lost anything except Sami when she kicked him out after the cafe kiss.

NIcoke :wub2: I wish she was a drug addict, because that would be perfect.
I wouldn't agree that Rafe hasn't lost anything. He might not have lost anything long term, but neither have the rest of them. He got thrown in some South American prison trying to find Anna. He got kidnapped, had his memory erased and a criminal replaced him in his life. He lost his sister. He lost his wife and family (and I know some people hate that Rafe was close to the kids, but he was). And, in terms of the Grace lie, he lost Grace when she died. He would never have felt that loss if he had not participated in the lie. So, I'd say he's paid as much for his crimes as anybody else on the show. He just hasn't paid in the ways some people would like. Just as Stefano and EJ have never paid for their crimes in the way I would have liked.
Sadly he should have lost his life, that will make up for his crimes :pray:
Edited by JamesScott_19, Oct 2 2012, 12:42 PM.
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pennieloafer
Oct 2 2012, 12:28 PM
wait what's the deal with the substitute doctor, i missed that

why would they make a point of saying its a sub
Nicole goes back and destroys the medical records, erasing the evidence that the baby was already dead before her fight with Jennifer. If the doctor worked at the hospital, there would be a witness who'd be able to come forward and clear Jennifer in short order.
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.

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Oct 2 2012, 12:14 PM
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Oct 2 2012, 11:35 AM
I have to admit Sami wanting to help keep the baby away from EJ is hilarious. I don't mind, lol. Heck Nicole wants to do the same thing so she's just joining chorus.
I think that it takes a lot of nerve for Sami to do that. Considering that the whole reason for this is because Sami went on her own to Ej's and willingly fucked him, she is half to blame. You would think that with her and Rafe back together, she would want Ej to go away and find someone else to bother.
Blaming Sami for helping 3 other people keep the baby a secret is interesting since Nicole herself doesn't want EJ to know either. So that's Rafe, Dan, and Sami all helping Nicole. Face it, Nicole is the reason EJ doesn't know he's the father because it was her plan to keep him from his child all along. Whether Sami boinked him last year is irrelevant. Nicole started this whole thing in motion when she found out she was pregnant. Her hurt feelings over EJ sleeping with Sami is the reason EJ doesn't know, period. Safe are back together and if the psycho wants to leave Sami alone he's welcome to do so any minute now. But he insists on being a pest like he was since 2006 and can't stand it when Sami chooses not to be with him. That's his problem not Sami's, lol. And if Nicole wants to tell EJ the truth, she's welcome to. I don't see anyone stopping her since it is completely her decision.
If Nicole chose to tell EJ now she'd be putting both Rafe and Dan at risk because they are both duplicitous in switching/covering up the switch of the paternity test. So it's really not as cut and dry as you've stated.
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I have to admit Sami wanting to help keep the baby away from EJ is hilarious. I don't mind, lol. Heck Nicole wants to do the same thing so she's just joining chorus.
I think that it takes a lot of nerve for Sami to do that. Considering that the whole reason for this is because Sami went on her own to Ej's and willingly fucked him, she is half to blame. You would think that with her and Rafe back together, she would want Ej to go away and find someone else to bother.
Blaming Sami for helping 3 other people keep the baby a secret is interesting since Nicole herself doesn't want EJ to know either. So that's Rafe, Dan, and Sami all helping Nicole. Face it, Nicole is the reason EJ doesn't know he's the father because it was her plan to keep him from his child all along. Whether Sami boinked him last year is irrelevant. Nicole started this whole thing in motion when she found out she was pregnant. Her hurt feelings over EJ sleeping with Sami is the reason EJ doesn't know, period. Safe are back together and if the psycho wants to leave Sami alone he's welcome to do so any minute now. But he insists on being a pest like he was since 2006 and can't stand it when Sami chooses not to be with him. That's his problem not Sami's, lol. And if Nicole wants to tell EJ the truth, she's welcome to. I don't see anyone stopping her since it is completely her decision.
If Nicole chose to tell EJ now she'd be putting both Rafe and Dan at risk because they are both duplicitous in switching/covering up the switch of the paternity test. So it's really not as cut and dry as you've stated.
Yes, but now that Daniel has quit, and Sami has made it clear that she only wants Rafe, what can EJ do?
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I wonder if they'll even call EJ when after the baby is born. Somehow I doubt it. Heaven forbid EJ be allowed to mourn his own son.

I hope EJ finds out the whole truth, including Sami's involvement and finally cuts Sami out of his life & destorys all of them.
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Blaming Sami for helping 3 other people keep the baby a secret is interesting since Nicole herself doesn't want EJ to know either. So that's Rafe, Dan, and Sami all helping Nicole. Face it, Nicole is the reason EJ doesn't know he's the father because it was her plan to keep him from his child all along. Whether Sami boinked him last year is irrelevant. Nicole started this whole thing in motion when she found out she was pregnant. Her hurt feelings over EJ sleeping with Sami is the reason EJ doesn't know, period. Safe are back together and if the psycho wants to leave Sami alone he's welcome to do so any minute now. But he insists on being a pest like he was since 2006 and can't stand it when Sami chooses not to be with him. That's his problem not Sami's, lol. And if Nicole wants to tell EJ the truth, she's welcome to. I don't see anyone stopping her since it is completely her decision.
If Nicole chose to tell EJ now she'd be putting both Rafe and Dan at risk because they are both duplicitous in switching/covering up the switch of the paternity test. So it's really not as cut and dry as you've stated.
Yes, but now that Daniel has quit, and Sami has made it clear that she only wants Rafe, what can EJ do?
Daniel committed medical fraud. He could still lose his medical license and be arrested.
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Oct 2 2012, 10:46 AM
I really expected Rafe to fess up to Sami so they could tie Safe up in a nice, pretty bow and be done with Rafe having any kind of potential stink on him (at least in Tomlin's view). The fact they still have him lying almost leads me to think he might suffer just the tiniest consequence for it. But then I blink and realize that's just crazy talk.
Normally I'd agree with you because I have a hard time believing GT would allow Rafe to suffer some consequences for his lie. But the only reason I can see for the blink-and-you-missed-it EJ blackmail scheme was to ramp up the consequences in this upcoming Safe storyline. We know that Sami was choosing Rafe over EJ anyway, so it seems the reason for the blackmail story was to create an Ejami rift. If Ejami were still on good terms, Rafe would've had a better excuse for not telling Sami the truth about paternity since he could've been worried she'd tell EJ. But, GT chose to write the short blackmail story to facilitate an Ejami fallout and put Sami completely behind Rafe against EJ. GT also chose to have EJ point out to Sami that Rafe doesn't trust her and to that he's not the man she thinks he is. And GT also chose to write Safe as promising to be honest from this point forward. This tells me that GT is trying to ramp up the consequences for Rafe/Safe when Sami finds out he continued to lie to her. Who knows if GT will actually follow-through, but he did set-up the story so the reveal for Rafe/Safe could have some meaningful fallout.
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I have to admit Sami wanting to help keep the baby away from EJ is hilarious. I don't mind, lol. Heck Nicole wants to do the same thing so she's just joining chorus.
I think that it takes a lot of nerve for Sami to do that. Considering that the whole reason for this is because Sami went on her own to Ej's and willingly fucked him, she is half to blame. You would think that with her and Rafe back together, she would want Ej to go away and find someone else to bother.
Blaming Sami for helping 3 other people keep the baby a secret is interesting since Nicole herself doesn't want EJ to know either. So that's Rafe, Dan, and Sami all helping Nicole. Face it, Nicole is the reason EJ doesn't know he's the father because it was her plan to keep him from his child all along. Whether Sami boinked him last year is irrelevant. Nicole started this whole thing in motion when she found out she was pregnant. Her hurt feelings over EJ sleeping with Sami is the reason EJ doesn't know, period. Safe are back together and if the psycho wants to leave Sami alone he's welcome to do so any minute now. But he insists on being a pest like he was since 2006 and can't stand it when Sami chooses not to be with him. That's his problem not Sami's, lol. And if Nicole wants to tell EJ the truth, she's welcome to. I don't see anyone stopping her since it is completely her decision.
If Nicole chose to tell EJ now she'd be putting both Rafe and Dan at risk because they are both duplicitous in switching/covering up the switch of the paternity test. So it's really not as cut and dry as you've stated.
Actually it is because if she just wanted EJ to know for the simple fact that she cares about him enough for him to know he's the father (or was the father) of her baby, she would tell him. Sure Dan and Rafe would get in trouble and clearly Nicole cares about them more than EJ but my point was Sami getting blamed for this makes no sense since it was Nicole who didn't want and still doesn't want EJ to know. So in a way Sami joining the game of "let's all help Nicole keep EJ in the dark" is to Nicole's advantage, lol.
Edited by lumifan4life, Oct 2 2012, 12:52 PM.
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Blaming Sami for helping 3 other people keep the baby a secret is interesting since Nicole herself doesn't want EJ to know either. So that's Rafe, Dan, and Sami all helping Nicole. Face it, Nicole is the reason EJ doesn't know he's the father because it was her plan to keep him from his child all along. Whether Sami boinked him last year is irrelevant. Nicole started this whole thing in motion when she found out she was pregnant. Her hurt feelings over EJ sleeping with Sami is the reason EJ doesn't know, period. Safe are back together and if the psycho wants to leave Sami alone he's welcome to do so any minute now. But he insists on being a pest like he was since 2006 and can't stand it when Sami chooses not to be with him. That's his problem not Sami's, lol. And if Nicole wants to tell EJ the truth, she's welcome to. I don't see anyone stopping her since it is completely her decision.
If Nicole chose to tell EJ now she'd be putting both Rafe and Dan at risk because they are both duplicitous in switching/covering up the switch of the paternity test. So it's really not as cut and dry as you've stated.
Yes, but now that Daniel has quit, and Sami has made it clear that she only wants Rafe, what can EJ do?
He could still press charges for the falsification of records and the cover up - putting both their careers at risk. Even if Daniel isn't working at Salem Hospital anymore I don't think he'd appreciate being stripped of his medical license.

Rafe would no doubt just get rehired by either the FBI or SPD for the eleventy billionth time down the road - but he'd probably be pissed that he'd have to stay home in the smug nest and make nachos or whatever the hell it is he cooks for a week or so.
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as a nicole fan can't wait until shes out of this dannifer hell stiory i wish they had never killed her mother off though
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The thing is, it doesn't affect Sami. So her tearing into him about it would be irrelevant. Sami's past paternity lies negatively affected the people she was with, so them berating her made sense. EJ berating Rafe would be the equivalent payment in this case.

Ultimately, I just don't see why Rafe's "crimes" should ever be a big deal when EJ and Stefano an even Sami and Nicole are walking around free as can be. Rafe is a nothing character with no personality and no real relevance to Days and trying to make him pay for all the nothing he does while organ thieves, money thieves, kidnappers, and shooters can walk freely about town seems ridiculous to me. It's not like he's the only one in the group to get away with something. And his something is a lot smaller than any of the rest of them can claim. I will give him credit for being able to snatch this story right out from under Nicoke though. Maybe he's more relevant than I am willing to acknowledge.
But it does affect her, because he's lying to her to help her worst enemy. And she's friendly with EJ and feels (felt) that she and Rafe made a mistake with Grace. And, she's Sami and when is it not all about her? But really, it's not just about the characters, it's about the audience and soaps are in part about payoff, not someone committing crime after crime without facing consequences. Even Stephanie paid for a paternity lie and she didn't even switch the results.

And Stefano, EJ, Sami and Nicole have paid. I suppose someone could argue that their payment wasn't proportional to the crime, but I don't think it's accurate that they never lose anything. Unlike Rafe, who's been lying and stealing kids and generally acting like a thug when it suits him and hasn't lost anything except Sami when she kicked him out after the cafe kiss.

NIcoke :wub2: I wish she was a drug addict, because that would be perfect.
I wouldn't agree that Rafe hasn't lost anything. He might not have lost anything long term, but neither have the rest of them. He got thrown in some South American prison trying to find Anna. He got kidnapped, had his memory erased and a criminal replaced him in his life. He lost his sister. He lost his wife and family (and I know some people hate that Rafe was close to the kids, but he was). And, in terms of the Grace lie, he lost Grace when she died. He would never have felt that loss if he had not participated in the lie. So, I'd say he's paid as much for his crimes as anybody else on the show. He just hasn't paid in the ways some people would like. Just as Stefano and EJ have never paid for their crimes in the way I would have liked.
Again, I think this is a difference in definition, instead of a bias against Rafe. Rafe was a clear victim in all those scenarios, except one - losing Sami and the kids - but in that case, he didn't actually lose them - he walked away after she cheated on him through no fault of his own. Safe lost Grace, but Grace didn't die because she needed some of her father's blood, or something. It was just a tragedy, no different than DJ's death. Just like EJ isn't paying by losing this child - he's not responsible for this in any way. Same with Arianna. She died and she happened to be related to Rafe, but I don't see how that was a payment.

Rafe also hadn't done anything to deserve R2 - that was no more of a payment/payoff than the times John and Roman got kidnapped by Stefano. Now that I think of it, maybe the prison was a payoff - I can't exactly remember why Rafe ended up there.

To me, people pay when they suffer as a result of something they did - so Tony's death - not payment for Stefano, because it was a freak accident. Lexie's death was payment because, with the rewrite, Stefano inadvertently set it in motion.

So basically, the kinds of losses I'm talking about are the ones that fans/characters would say "You had this coming" about. Not situations in which someone was an innocent victim of a crime after they happened to screw someone over in an unrelated incident.
Edited by six, Oct 2 2012, 01:17 PM.
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