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Spoilers for the week of October 8th; *updated 10/5*
Topic Started: Sep 27 2012, 12:04 AM (56,211 Views)
LucasHortonFan
Please write 4 Bryan Dattilo, Give him a love interest.

oh damn, she finds out Rafe didnt father Nicole's baby, she'll think he's all noble for lying about it. Shit, we're doomed for safe sex for sure.
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Oct 2 2012, 02:23 PM
oh damn, she finds out Rafe didnt father Nicole's baby, she'll think he's all noble for lying about it. Shit, we're doomed for safe sex for sure.
Yup because we all know how Rafe's noble deeds turn Sami on. Remember how after he played the tape, Sami got him into bed? LOL
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Oct 2 2012, 02:23 PM
oh damn, she finds out Rafe didnt father Nicole's baby, she'll think he's all noble for lying about it. Shit, we're doomed for safe sex for sure.
Exactly, lol.
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Haven't posted in a while because this show is so bad it's painful to be around. Just wanted to say that, like some others, I'm starting to think maybe the writers aren't going to go with Dannifer. Sure, there will probably be more junk scenes like this week, but I think they'll eventually have Jennifer and Brady spending more time together. Unfortunately, I think the writers will also have Abigail and Brady drawn to each other and we'll have Brady at the center of a mother-daughter triangle. I'm not advocating this, mind you. But I could see these writers going there.

Perhaps by February, we'll see Jennifer finding out about her daughter's true feelings and she'll decide to step aside to clear the way for Brady and Abigail -- and leave Salem.

MR's contract was technically up for renewal last month, and we've heard nothing about any decision to renew/extend. I get the strong sense she would like to leave. But perhaps she agreed to stick around for a few months at Meng's/Corday's request.

The writers have taken the destruction of Jennifer's character -- that they started in 2010 and that MarDar exacerbated -- to new lows. TPTB would have to be pretty obtuse not to see that. So they either are incredibly obtuse or they don't care -- or some combination of the two. Too sad.

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The ladies fight and Nic winds up tumbling down one of the deadly stairways of Salem just as Billie and Brady arrive. Jenn feels bad as the cops arrive and Nicole is taken to the hospital. She gives birth to a stillborn. Daniel arrives and Nicole puts the blame squarely on Jenn. Brady backs that up and the Horton is arrested for murder.


This is very reminiscent of the 1998 Billie/Georgia/Bo/Hope storyline
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.

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Oct 2 2012, 01:59 PM
Friday:
Sami and Rafe make love, complete with a montage of their entire relationship.
Which would really just amount to a loop of Safe having sex while Nigel looks on.
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Oct 2 2012, 01:48 PM
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Oct 2 2012, 12:50 PM
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Oct 2 2012, 10:46 AM
I really expected Rafe to fess up to Sami so they could tie Safe up in a nice, pretty bow and be done with Rafe having any kind of potential stink on him (at least in Tomlin's view). The fact they still have him lying almost leads me to think he might suffer just the tiniest consequence for it. But then I blink and realize that's just crazy talk.
Normally I'd agree with you because I have a hard time believing GT would allow Rafe to suffer some consequences for his lie. But the only reason I can see for the blink-and-you-missed-it EJ blackmail scheme was to ramp up the consequences in this upcoming Safe storyline. We know that Sami was choosing Rafe over EJ anyway, so it seems the reason for the blackmail story was to create an Ejami rift. If Ejami were still on good terms, Rafe would've had a better excuse for not telling Sami the truth about paternity since he could've been worried she'd tell EJ. But, GT chose to write the short blackmail story to facilitate an Ejami fallout and put Sami completely behind Rafe against EJ. GT also chose to have EJ point out to Sami that Rafe doesn't trust her and to that he's not the man she thinks he is. And GT also chose to write Safe as promising to be honest from this point forward. This tells me that GT is trying to ramp up the consequences for Rafe/Safe when Sami finds out he continued to lie to her. Who knows if GT will actually follow-through, but he did set-up the story so the reveal for Rafe/Safe could have some meaningful fallout.
Oh he'll suffer his consequence when Sami likely breaks up with him for his lying to her. She will cry, screech and be all boo hoo. Then we'll have to live through 6 months of simulatenous flashbacks of Safe kissing and boinking while she cries and clutches a blanket and he stares out the window wondering what might have been.
Six months? IF she's even mad, considering the speed of this reunion it'll be:

Friday Cliffhanger
Sami finds out Rafe has been lying and kicks him out of the smugnest.

Monday:
Will encourages Sami to forgive Rafe. Rafe senses Sami is in trouble.

Tuesday:
Rafe saves Sami when she trips over a crack that EJ put in the sidewalk. Marlena gets Sami to admit she still has feelings for Rafe.

Wed.
Rafe and Sami share a tender moment as Sydney and Johnny and Nigel the penguin look on. Wait, I think the penguin has a Spanish name now. Anyway...

Thurs.
Sami and Rafe kiss.

Friday:
Sami and Rafe make love, complete with a montage of their entire relationship.
Followed by the next week where they decide to get re-married in HTS in front of the Horton's sign.

Salemites decide to erect new sign to Rafe & Sami. It's a likeness of them screwing.

Upon the completion of the vows, the clouds part & a heavenly light shines down on just the two of them.

EJ lurks in the shadows twirling his newly grown handlebar mustache.

Lucas determines it's best for Allie to be raised by her mother & the heroiest hero of all heros & signs over his parental rights.
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Oct 2 2012, 12:23 PM
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Oct 2 2012, 12:02 PM
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Oct 2 2012, 11:12 AM
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Oct 2 2012, 11:04 AM

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Maybe we have different definitions of "paying." I would consider the way Sami got humiliated at the 97 wedding and had to deal with Lucas being angry with her payment. Then it happened again when Brandon had their marriage annulled when he found out she'd switched Theo's paternity. The same situation played out with Mimi and Shawn over Claire.

If Sami would rip into Rafe for lying to her and break things off with him, I'd feel that he suffered the consequences of what he did, but since Sami is asking to get in on the scam, it doesn't look like that day will come.
The thing is, it doesn't affect Sami. So her tearing into him about it would be irrelevant. Sami's past paternity lies negatively affected the people she was with, so them berating her made sense. EJ berating Rafe would be the equivalent payment in this case.

Ultimately, I just don't see why Rafe's "crimes" should ever be a big deal when EJ and Stefano an even Sami and Nicole are walking around free as can be. Rafe is a nothing character with no personality and no real relevance to Days and trying to make him pay for all the nothing he does while organ thieves, money thieves, kidnappers, and shooters can walk freely about town seems ridiculous to me. It's not like he's the only one in the group to get away with something. And his something is a lot smaller than any of the rest of them can claim. I will give him credit for being able to snatch this story right out from under Nicoke though. Maybe he's more relevant than I am willing to acknowledge.
But it does affect her, because he's lying to her to help her worst enemy. And she's friendly with EJ and feels (felt) that she and Rafe made a mistake with Grace. And, she's Sami and when is it not all about her? But really, it's not just about the characters, it's about the audience and soaps are in part about payoff, not someone committing crime after crime without facing consequences. Even Stephanie paid for a paternity lie and she didn't even switch the results.

And Stefano, EJ, Sami and Nicole have paid. I suppose someone could argue that their payment wasn't proportional to the crime, but I don't think it's accurate that they never lose anything. Unlike Rafe, who's been lying and stealing kids and generally acting like a thug when it suits him and hasn't lost anything except Sami when she kicked him out after the cafe kiss.

NIcoke :wub2: I wish she was a drug addict, because that would be perfect.
Didn't see this earlier.

Using this argument, Rafe has paid too. Or the others haven't had a suitable payment for this audience member. So they're all even. I think we can all agree that this show sucks at payoffs but I don't find Rafe important enough to focus a payoff story on. I can't say the same for the other characters. Some big comeuppance story for Rafe would be about as dull as watching EJ make sandwiches and play chutes and ladders.

I don't agree that it affects Sami in the way that I was talking about.
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Oct 2 2012, 01:48 PM
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Oct 2 2012, 10:46 AM
I really expected Rafe to fess up to Sami so they could tie Safe up in a nice, pretty bow and be done with Rafe having any kind of potential stink on him (at least in Tomlin's view). The fact they still have him lying almost leads me to think he might suffer just the tiniest consequence for it. But then I blink and realize that's just crazy talk.
Normally I'd agree with you because I have a hard time believing GT would allow Rafe to suffer some consequences for his lie. But the only reason I can see for the blink-and-you-missed-it EJ blackmail scheme was to ramp up the consequences in this upcoming Safe storyline. We know that Sami was choosing Rafe over EJ anyway, so it seems the reason for the blackmail story was to create an Ejami rift. If Ejami were still on good terms, Rafe would've had a better excuse for not telling Sami the truth about paternity since he could've been worried she'd tell EJ. But, GT chose to write the short blackmail story to facilitate an Ejami fallout and put Sami completely behind Rafe against EJ. GT also chose to have EJ point out to Sami that Rafe doesn't trust her and to that he's not the man she thinks he is. And GT also chose to write Safe as promising to be honest from this point forward. This tells me that GT is trying to ramp up the consequences for Rafe/Safe when Sami finds out he continued to lie to her. Who knows if GT will actually follow-through, but he did set-up the story so the reveal for Rafe/Safe could have some meaningful fallout.
Oh he'll suffer his consequence when Sami likely breaks up with him for his lying to her. She will cry, screech and be all boo hoo. Then we'll have to live through 6 months of simulatenous flashbacks of Safe kissing and boinking while she cries and clutches a blanket and he stares out the window wondering what might have been.
Nah, we won't have to suffer for months because she will be onto her next great 6 week cycle great love by then.
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Come on Ron, We are counting on YOU !!

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Oct 2 2012, 01:59 PM
LuvingLumi
Oct 2 2012, 01:48 PM
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Oct 2 2012, 12:50 PM
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Oct 2 2012, 10:46 AM
I really expected Rafe to fess up to Sami so they could tie Safe up in a nice, pretty bow and be done with Rafe having any kind of potential stink on him (at least in Tomlin's view). The fact they still have him lying almost leads me to think he might suffer just the tiniest consequence for it. But then I blink and realize that's just crazy talk.
Normally I'd agree with you because I have a hard time believing GT would allow Rafe to suffer some consequences for his lie. But the only reason I can see for the blink-and-you-missed-it EJ blackmail scheme was to ramp up the consequences in this upcoming Safe storyline. We know that Sami was choosing Rafe over EJ anyway, so it seems the reason for the blackmail story was to create an Ejami rift. If Ejami were still on good terms, Rafe would've had a better excuse for not telling Sami the truth about paternity since he could've been worried she'd tell EJ. But, GT chose to write the short blackmail story to facilitate an Ejami fallout and put Sami completely behind Rafe against EJ. GT also chose to have EJ point out to Sami that Rafe doesn't trust her and to that he's not the man she thinks he is. And GT also chose to write Safe as promising to be honest from this point forward. This tells me that GT is trying to ramp up the consequences for Rafe/Safe when Sami finds out he continued to lie to her. Who knows if GT will actually follow-through, but he did set-up the story so the reveal for Rafe/Safe could have some meaningful fallout.
Oh he'll suffer his consequence when Sami likely breaks up with him for his lying to her. She will cry, screech and be all boo hoo. Then we'll have to live through 6 months of simulatenous flashbacks of Safe kissing and boinking while she cries and clutches a blanket and he stares out the window wondering what might have been.
Six months? IF she's even mad, considering the speed of this reunion it'll be:

Friday Cliffhanger
Sami finds out Rafe has been lying and kicks him out of the smugnest.

Monday:
Will encourages Sami to forgive Rafe. Rafe senses Sami is in trouble.

Tuesday:
Rafe saves Sami when she trips over a crack that EJ put in the sidewalk. Marlena gets Sami to admit she still has feelings for Rafe.

Wed.
Rafe and Sami share a tender moment as Sydney and Johnny and Nigel the penguin look on. Wait, I think the penguin has a Spanish name now. Anyway...

Thurs.
Sami and Rafe kiss.

Friday:
Sami and Rafe make love, complete with a montage of their entire relationship.
lol...yep...and you forgot the shooting stars, the heavens parting, and the ropes form the wedding being strategically placed on the dresser as the audience sees the candles burning while they hump the night away....
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Oct 2 2012, 02:53 PM
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Oct 2 2012, 01:59 PM
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Oct 2 2012, 12:50 PM

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Oh he'll suffer his consequence when Sami likely breaks up with him for his lying to her. She will cry, screech and be all boo hoo. Then we'll have to live through 6 months of simulatenous flashbacks of Safe kissing and boinking while she cries and clutches a blanket and he stares out the window wondering what might have been.
Six months? IF she's even mad, considering the speed of this reunion it'll be:

Friday Cliffhanger
Sami finds out Rafe has been lying and kicks him out of the smugnest.

Monday:
Will encourages Sami to forgive Rafe. Rafe senses Sami is in trouble.

Tuesday:
Rafe saves Sami when she trips over a crack that EJ put in the sidewalk. Marlena gets Sami to admit she still has feelings for Rafe.

Wed.
Rafe and Sami share a tender moment as Sydney and Johnny and Nigel the penguin look on. Wait, I think the penguin has a Spanish name now. Anyway...

Thurs.
Sami and Rafe kiss.

Friday:
Sami and Rafe make love, complete with a montage of their entire relationship.
Followed by the next week where they decide to get re-married in HTS in front of the Horton's sign.

Salemites decide to erect new sign to Rafe & Sami. It's a likeness of them screwing.

Upon the completion of the vows, the clouds part & a heavenly light shines down on just the two of them.

EJ lurks in the shadows twirling his newly grown handlebar mustache.

Lucas determines it's best for Allie to be raised by her mother & the heroiest hero of all heros & signs over his parental rights.
Agreed, except this is Tomlin, so I'm not sure Allie will exist, except in our memories, by then.
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Oct 2 2012, 02:16 PM
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Oct 2 2012, 01:48 PM
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Oct 2 2012, 10:46 AM
I really expected Rafe to fess up to Sami so they could tie Safe up in a nice, pretty bow and be done with Rafe having any kind of potential stink on him (at least in Tomlin's view). The fact they still have him lying almost leads me to think he might suffer just the tiniest consequence for it. But then I blink and realize that's just crazy talk.
Normally I'd agree with you because I have a hard time believing GT would allow Rafe to suffer some consequences for his lie. But the only reason I can see for the blink-and-you-missed-it EJ blackmail scheme was to ramp up the consequences in this upcoming Safe storyline. We know that Sami was choosing Rafe over EJ anyway, so it seems the reason for the blackmail story was to create an Ejami rift. If Ejami were still on good terms, Rafe would've had a better excuse for not telling Sami the truth about paternity since he could've been worried she'd tell EJ. But, GT chose to write the short blackmail story to facilitate an Ejami fallout and put Sami completely behind Rafe against EJ. GT also chose to have EJ point out to Sami that Rafe doesn't trust her and to that he's not the man she thinks he is. And GT also chose to write Safe as promising to be honest from this point forward. This tells me that GT is trying to ramp up the consequences for Rafe/Safe when Sami finds out he continued to lie to her. Who knows if GT will actually follow-through, but he did set-up the story so the reveal for Rafe/Safe could have some meaningful fallout.
Oh he'll suffer his consequence when Sami likely breaks up with him for his lying to her. She will cry, screech and be all boo hoo. Then we'll have to live through 6 months of simulatenous flashbacks of Safe kissing and boinking while she cries and clutches a blanket and he stares out the window wondering what might have been.
I agree, except for the blanket. Clearly she will be clutching the penguin and their epic rope of love.
With winter turning to summer and a shooting star of hope in the heavens to symbolize their epic bond.
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.

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Oh he'll suffer his consequence when Sami likely breaks up with him for his lying to her. She will cry, screech and be all boo hoo. Then we'll have to live through 6 months of simulatenous flashbacks of Safe kissing and boinking while she cries and clutches a blanket and he stares out the window wondering what might have been.
I agree, except for the blanket. Clearly she will be clutching the penguin and their epic rope of love.
With winter turning to summer and a shooting star of hope in the heavens to symbolize their epic bond.
Don't forget the singing NIGHTingales!
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Come on Ron, We are counting on YOU !!

mer4santo
Oct 2 2012, 02:55 PM
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Oct 2 2012, 01:48 PM
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Oct 2 2012, 12:50 PM
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Oct 2 2012, 10:46 AM
I really expected Rafe to fess up to Sami so they could tie Safe up in a nice, pretty bow and be done with Rafe having any kind of potential stink on him (at least in Tomlin's view). The fact they still have him lying almost leads me to think he might suffer just the tiniest consequence for it. But then I blink and realize that's just crazy talk.
Normally I'd agree with you because I have a hard time believing GT would allow Rafe to suffer some consequences for his lie. But the only reason I can see for the blink-and-you-missed-it EJ blackmail scheme was to ramp up the consequences in this upcoming Safe storyline. We know that Sami was choosing Rafe over EJ anyway, so it seems the reason for the blackmail story was to create an Ejami rift. If Ejami were still on good terms, Rafe would've had a better excuse for not telling Sami the truth about paternity since he could've been worried she'd tell EJ. But, GT chose to write the short blackmail story to facilitate an Ejami fallout and put Sami completely behind Rafe against EJ. GT also chose to have EJ point out to Sami that Rafe doesn't trust her and to that he's not the man she thinks he is. And GT also chose to write Safe as promising to be honest from this point forward. This tells me that GT is trying to ramp up the consequences for Rafe/Safe when Sami finds out he continued to lie to her. Who knows if GT will actually follow-through, but he did set-up the story so the reveal for Rafe/Safe could have some meaningful fallout.
Oh he'll suffer his consequence when Sami likely breaks up with him for his lying to her. She will cry, screech and be all boo hoo. Then we'll have to live through 6 months of simulatenous flashbacks of Safe kissing and boinking while she cries and clutches a blanket and he stares out the window wondering what might have been.
Nah, we won't have to suffer for months because she will be onto her next great 6 week cycle great love by then.
if Eric wasn't her twin brother she'd be moving onto him.....seriously no joke....

I'm advocating for Sami's tube tying. I'm raising money for the cause.....we can't have her boink gorgeous Eric and have her be pregnant, what would they do :drunk:
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Oct 2 2012, 01:59 PM
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Oct 2 2012, 12:50 PM

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Oh he'll suffer his consequence when Sami likely breaks up with him for his lying to her. She will cry, screech and be all boo hoo. Then we'll have to live through 6 months of simulatenous flashbacks of Safe kissing and boinking while she cries and clutches a blanket and he stares out the window wondering what might have been.
Six months? IF she's even mad, considering the speed of this reunion it'll be:

Friday Cliffhanger
Sami finds out Rafe has been lying and kicks him out of the smugnest.

Monday:
Will encourages Sami to forgive Rafe. Rafe senses Sami is in trouble.

Tuesday:
Rafe saves Sami when she trips over a crack that EJ put in the sidewalk. Marlena gets Sami to admit she still has feelings for Rafe.

Wed.
Rafe and Sami share a tender moment as Sydney and Johnny and Nigel the penguin look on. Wait, I think the penguin has a Spanish name now. Anyway...

Thurs.
Sami and Rafe kiss.

Friday:
Sami and Rafe make love, complete with a montage of their entire relationship.
Followed by the next week where they decide to get re-married in HTS in front of the Horton's sign.

Salemites decide to erect new sign to Rafe & Sami. It's a likeness of them screwing.

Upon the completion of the vows, the clouds part & a heavenly light shines down on just the two of them.

EJ lurks in the shadows twirling his newly grown handlebar mustache.

Lucas determines it's best for Allie to be raised by her mother & the heroiest hero of all heros & signs over his parental rights.
LMAO!! You guys are killing me with these made up spoilers. Unfortunately, I can see all of them being real spoilers very soon.
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Come on Ron, We are counting on YOU !!

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Oct 2 2012, 02:57 PM
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Oct 2 2012, 02:53 PM
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Oct 2 2012, 01:59 PM
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Oct 2 2012, 01:48 PM

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Six months? IF she's even mad, considering the speed of this reunion it'll be:

Friday Cliffhanger
Sami finds out Rafe has been lying and kicks him out of the smugnest.

Monday:
Will encourages Sami to forgive Rafe. Rafe senses Sami is in trouble.

Tuesday:
Rafe saves Sami when she trips over a crack that EJ put in the sidewalk. Marlena gets Sami to admit she still has feelings for Rafe.

Wed.
Rafe and Sami share a tender moment as Sydney and Johnny and Nigel the penguin look on. Wait, I think the penguin has a Spanish name now. Anyway...

Thurs.
Sami and Rafe kiss.

Friday:
Sami and Rafe make love, complete with a montage of their entire relationship.
Followed by the next week where they decide to get re-married in HTS in front of the Horton's sign.

Salemites decide to erect new sign to Rafe & Sami. It's a likeness of them screwing.

Upon the completion of the vows, the clouds part & a heavenly light shines down on just the two of them.

EJ lurks in the shadows twirling his newly grown handlebar mustache.

Lucas determines it's best for Allie to be raised by her mother & the heroiest hero of all heros & signs over his parental rights.
Agreed, except this is Tomlin, so I'm not sure Allie will exist, except in our memories, by then.
We'll get the Allie montage complete with pictures of rafe, Sami, Allie, Johnny, Will and Sydney. Allie playing hide and seek with Rafe, rafe picking Allie up at school and helping her with her drawing of her new and improved hero Rafe. Lucas will be falling off the wagon in a corner somewhere......
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if mardr did not replace higle in 2011 instead cancer scare to sami it been wtd with fake rafe and rafe tomlin might want to revisit that
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The thing is, it doesn't affect Sami. So her tearing into him about it would be irrelevant. Sami's past paternity lies negatively affected the people she was with, so them berating her made sense. EJ berating Rafe would be the equivalent payment in this case.

Ultimately, I just don't see why Rafe's "crimes" should ever be a big deal when EJ and Stefano an even Sami and Nicole are walking around free as can be. Rafe is a nothing character with no personality and no real relevance to Days and trying to make him pay for all the nothing he does while organ thieves, money thieves, kidnappers, and shooters can walk freely about town seems ridiculous to me. It's not like he's the only one in the group to get away with something. And his something is a lot smaller than any of the rest of them can claim. I will give him credit for being able to snatch this story right out from under Nicoke though. Maybe he's more relevant than I am willing to acknowledge.
But it does affect her, because he's lying to her to help her worst enemy. And she's friendly with EJ and feels (felt) that she and Rafe made a mistake with Grace. And, she's Sami and when is it not all about her? But really, it's not just about the characters, it's about the audience and soaps are in part about payoff, not someone committing crime after crime without facing consequences. Even Stephanie paid for a paternity lie and she didn't even switch the results.

And Stefano, EJ, Sami and Nicole have paid. I suppose someone could argue that their payment wasn't proportional to the crime, but I don't think it's accurate that they never lose anything. Unlike Rafe, who's been lying and stealing kids and generally acting like a thug when it suits him and hasn't lost anything except Sami when she kicked him out after the cafe kiss.

NIcoke :wub2: I wish she was a drug addict, because that would be perfect.
Didn't see this earlier.

Using this argument, Rafe has paid too. Or the others haven't had a suitable payment for this audience member. So they're all even. I think we can all agree that this show sucks at payoffs but I don't find Rafe important enough to focus a payoff story on. I can't say the same for the other characters. Some big comeuppance story for Rafe would be about as dull as watching EJ make sandwiches and play chutes and ladders.

I don't agree that it affects Sami in the way that I was talking about.
I'm going to take a guess and assume my response to esp13, quoted below, explains why I don't buy the argument that Rafe has paid. He's suffered exactly one negative consequence as the result of his misdeeds, and surprise surprise, it was written by MarDar. Every other bad thing that happened to Rafe took place through no fault of his own and placed Rafe in the role of the protagonist or the victim.

Rafe might suck, but if I have to suffer by watching him benefit from his crimes, I should at least get a scene or two of his actions coming back to bite him.
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Again, I think this is a difference in definition, instead of a bias against Rafe. Rafe was a clear victim in all those scenarios, except one - losing Sami and the kids - but in that case, he didn't actually lose them - he walked away after she cheated on him through no fault of his own. Safe lost Grace, but Grace didn't die because she needed some of her father's blood, or something. It was just a tragedy, no different than DJ's death. Just like EJ isn't paying by losing this child - he's not responsible for this in any way. Same with Arianna. She died and she happened to be related to Rafe, but I don't see how that was a payment.

Rafe also hadn't done anything to deserve R2 - that was no more of a payment/payoff than the times John and Roman got kidnapped by Stefano. Now that I think of it, maybe the prison was a payoff - I can't exactly remember why Rafe ended up there.

To me, people pay when they suffer as a result of something they did - so Tony's death - not payment for Stefano, because it was a freak accident. Lexie's death was payment because, with the rewrite, Stefano inadvertently set it in motion.

So basically, the kinds of losses I'm talking about are the ones that fans/characters would say "You had this coming" about. Not situations in which someone was an innocent victim of a crime after they happened to screw someone over in an unrelated incident.
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The thing is, it doesn't affect Sami. So her tearing into him about it would be irrelevant. Sami's past paternity lies negatively affected the people she was with, so them berating her made sense. EJ berating Rafe would be the equivalent payment in this case.

Ultimately, I just don't see why Rafe's "crimes" should ever be a big deal when EJ and Stefano an even Sami and Nicole are walking around free as can be. Rafe is a nothing character with no personality and no real relevance to Days and trying to make him pay for all the nothing he does while organ thieves, money thieves, kidnappers, and shooters can walk freely about town seems ridiculous to me. It's not like he's the only one in the group to get away with something. And his something is a lot smaller than any of the rest of them can claim. I will give him credit for being able to snatch this story right out from under Nicoke though. Maybe he's more relevant than I am willing to acknowledge.
BUT RAFE IS THE COP! HE'S SUPPOSED TO BE THE GOOD GUY!

EJ and Stefano and Sami and Nicole are SUPPOSED TO BE THE BAD GUYS/GIRLS.

Though I totally agree with your comment that Rafe is a nothing character with no personality and no relevance to Days. I wish TomSell got that memo.
Motivations be damned.

It annoys me that I end up defending things I don't even like. These stories suck but they're not as simple and black and white as the responses here try to make them.
This x infinity.

Not all crimes are created equal and even the same crimes aren't equal if the motivations aren't. Emma changing the paternity test on Andrew to mess with Shane and Kim is NOT the equivalent to Daniel changing the paternity test to keep EJ from finding out he was the father of Nicole's baby. Emma's motivation was to hurt Kim (and Shane). Daniel's purpose (whether agreed with or not) was to protect Nicole and her child. The good guys can do bad things without becoming bad guys. It's always been that way. Steve and Kayla went to great lengths to keep Benjy from his father -- including hiding him from the law and kidnapping him from Stefano. I don't think that makes them villains.

I understand that when the motivations are not established properly, it can definitely affect the perspective. But even badly established motivations still matter.
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But it does affect her, because he's lying to her to help her worst enemy. And she's friendly with EJ and feels (felt) that she and Rafe made a mistake with Grace. And, she's Sami and when is it not all about her? But really, it's not just about the characters, it's about the audience and soaps are in part about payoff, not someone committing crime after crime without facing consequences. Even Stephanie paid for a paternity lie and she didn't even switch the results.

And Stefano, EJ, Sami and Nicole have paid. I suppose someone could argue that their payment wasn't proportional to the crime, but I don't think it's accurate that they never lose anything. Unlike Rafe, who's been lying and stealing kids and generally acting like a thug when it suits him and hasn't lost anything except Sami when she kicked him out after the cafe kiss.

NIcoke :wub2: I wish she was a drug addict, because that would be perfect.
Didn't see this earlier.

Using this argument, Rafe has paid too. Or the others haven't had a suitable payment for this audience member. So they're all even. I think we can all agree that this show sucks at payoffs but I don't find Rafe important enough to focus a payoff story on. I can't say the same for the other characters. Some big comeuppance story for Rafe would be about as dull as watching EJ make sandwiches and play chutes and ladders.

I don't agree that it affects Sami in the way that I was talking about.
I'm going to take a guess and assume my response to esp13, quoted below, explains why I don't buy the argument that Rafe has paid. He's suffered exactly one negative consequence as the result of his misdeeds, and surprise surprise, it was written by MarDar. Every other bad thing that happened to Rafe took place through no fault of his own and places Rafe in the role of the protagonist.

Rafe might suck, but if I have to suffer by watching him benefit from his crimes, I should at least get a scene or two of his actions coming back to bite him.
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Again, I think this is a difference in definition, instead of a bias against Rafe. Rafe was a clear victim in all those scenarios, except one - losing Sami and the kids - but in that case, he didn't actually lose them - he walked away after she cheated on him through no fault of his own. Safe lost Grace, but Grace didn't die because she needed some of her father's blood, or something. It was just a tragedy, no different than DJ's death. Just like EJ isn't paying by losing this child - he's not responsible for this in any way. Same with Arianna. She died and she happened to be related to Rafe, but I don't see how that was a payment.

Rafe also hadn't done anything to deserve R2 - that was no more of a payment/payoff than the times John and Roman got kidnapped by Stefano. Now that I think of it, maybe the prison was a payoff - I can't exactly remember why Rafe ended up there.

To me, people pay when they suffer as a result of something they did - so Tony's death - not payment for Stefano, because it was a freak accident. Lexie's death was payment because, with the rewrite, Stefano inadvertently set it in motion.

So basically, the kinds of losses I'm talking about are the ones that fans/characters would say "You had this coming" about. Not situations in which someone was an innocent victim of a crime after they happened to screw someone over in an unrelated incident.
He lost his job the last two times there have been issues like this. That fits the definition.
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