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Spoilers for the week of October 15th; *updated 10/9*
Topic Started: Oct 4 2012, 05:55 PM (49,725 Views)
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magicsteacher
Oct 8 2012, 06:10 AM
Rafe may have done some things he shouldn't have, but they pale in comparison to what the Dimeras and Kyriakis's have done.



Lines can get blurred in comparisons of criminals. For instance:

Rafe, being the serial child shanghaier that he is, committing crimes to "protect the ones he loves" + being a regular Joe Schmoe= moderately bad.

Rafe, being the serial child shanghaier that he is, committing crimes to "protect the ones he loves" + being an FBI or officer of the law= just as equally heinous as the rest of them.



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Oct 8 2012, 08:05 PM
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Oct 8 2012, 07:41 PM
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Oct 8 2012, 05:23 PM
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Oct 8 2012, 04:12 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deepBecause all of the people you mentioned have never claimed to be upstanding citizens.
OKay I'll say Rafe the hypocrite would lie in his work ethic alone. He led a one man crusade against Nicole over Sydney but had no problem doing it himself with Grace. But beyond that how about the fact that he covered for an attempted murderer, and is now covering for his sister who by all accounts is responsible for two people's deaths. So the man has blood on his hands indirectly but is more than willing to condemn others for less. Sorry forgot about ANdrew his death is also on Gabi's hands since she hired him.
How exactly is Rafe covering for his sister? The only thing Rafe told her after she confessed to him what she did, was to stop her from going to the police to confess before she talked with an attorney which she did. That is pretty much standard procedure. Not many folks confess to a crime before talking with an attorney first. He even agreed with her that she would have to take her punishment and she did tell Justin everything. As far as Chad and Nick, Nick stepped in of his own accord with Chad and forced the issue of the depositions which Justin accepted, sealed and filed knowing full well what Gabi had done. Rafe had nothing to do with any of that until after it was done. Rafe has no blood on his hands for any of it, directly or indirectly.

Gabi may have hired Andrew, but she didn't make him kidnap Melanie or take her to the tunnels and light a match when there was the odor of gas which led to the two deaths. Should Gabi have reported the kidnapping to the police? Yes, but Andrew did what he did on his own.
Hey, the moment Gabi didn't report the kidnapping after she found out about it, she was breaking the law.
That is why I said she should have reported the kidnapping to the police. I am not disputing that Gabi committed a crime; however, I still don't think you can hold Gabi responsible for what Andrew chose to do. My point is that Rafe is not trying to cover for her or hide it from anyone. If he were, he wouldn't have had her see an attorney and confess what she did.
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Oct 8 2012, 08:21 PM
Ginger
Oct 8 2012, 08:05 PM
magicsteacher
Oct 8 2012, 07:41 PM
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Oct 8 2012, 05:23 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deepBecause all of the people you mentioned have never claimed to be upstanding citizens.
How exactly is Rafe covering for his sister? The only thing Rafe told her after she confessed to him what she did, was to stop her from going to the police to confess before she talked with an attorney which she did. That is pretty much standard procedure. Not many folks confess to a crime before talking with an attorney first. He even agreed with her that she would have to take her punishment and she did tell Justin everything. As far as Chad and Nick, Nick stepped in of his own accord with Chad and forced the issue of the depositions which Justin accepted, sealed and filed knowing full well what Gabi had done. Rafe had nothing to do with any of that until after it was done. Rafe has no blood on his hands for any of it, directly or indirectly.

Gabi may have hired Andrew, but she didn't make him kidnap Melanie or take her to the tunnels and light a match when there was the odor of gas which led to the two deaths. Should Gabi have reported the kidnapping to the police? Yes, but Andrew did what he did on his own.
Hey, the moment Gabi didn't report the kidnapping after she found out about it, she was breaking the law.
That is why I said she should have reported the kidnapping to the police. I am not disputing that Gabi committed a crime; however, I still don't think you can hold Gabi responsible for what Andrew chose to do. My point is that Rafe is not trying to cover for her or hide it from anyone. If he were, he wouldn't have had her see an attorney and confess what she did.
The whole deposition thing is a cover-up, no matter how you shake it. Rafe is an officer of the court. Regardless of what pact Nick may have made, Rafe is guilty of covering up a crime by not reporting what he knows.
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Don't get up. So how are you? What happened, eh? Let me guess, Stefano told you that you could fly,and you jumped off a building. HeHe It's funny right, no I'm sorry Bad EJ, I should'nt be that cruel!

spartan
Oct 8 2012, 03:58 PM
shar_d
Oct 8 2012, 02:23 PM
magicsteacher
Oct 8 2012, 06:10 AM
shar_d
Oct 8 2012, 02:15 AM
Glad to hear that Sami doesn't just forgive Rafe for not telling her the truth about Nicole's baby!!! I'm glad she is holding that loser hypocrite accountable for his actions! It was his idea in the first place to pretend to be the father, just so that he could get revenge on EJ. HE did it for his own reasons, not to help Nicole..I bet he will try and make it seem like Nicole forced him to do it or something lol. Soooo glad that Sami stands her ground on this! He has been coming down on her for months for being a pathological liar yet he has been lying this whole time. Rafe is the biggest hypocrite and crook on the show! His sister is a criminal, not any better than EJ IMO, and yet he is lying and covering up her crimes. I guess if your last name is not Dimera or if you are personally related/connected to him, Rafe will break the law for you. If your last name is Dimera.. no such luck!! Did he forget so quickly that this is why he was fired fro the police dept in the first place??
Rafe is the biggest crook on the show? Seriously? A bit of an exaggeration, don't you think? Rafe may have done some things he shouldn't have, but they pale in comparison to what the Dimeras and Kyriakis's have done. As for Rafe saying he was the father of Nicole's baby, he admitted it was partly to get revenge on EJ, but also to protect another child from the Dimeras. Was it a good idea or the right thing to do... probably not, but doesn't make him the worst crook on the show either.

As for the being a hypocrite, I think that would be Sami. She had sex with Ej while married to Rafe and then hid it and lied to him about it for months, yet she can't find it in her heart for him lying to her? That is darn hypocritical,IMO.
Well you have your opinion, but I strongly believe Rafe is THE biggest hypocrite. Why? Because all of the people you mentioned have never claimed to be upstanding citizens. They know their role, however Rafe is supposed to be this great honest person..yet he has shown time and time again that he is NOT...the clear definition of what a hypocrite is. It's ok for his stupid sister to plot against Mel, and its ok for Nick to blackmail Chad to protect her..yet its not ok for EJ to blackmail him?? Please tell me how this is fair and how this does not make Rafe a hypocrite..I'll wait.....
I also don't buy that Rafe is some great, big family protector at-all-costs. He was shown to be hopeful that Arianna would have brain damage and therefore not remember that Sami shot EJ. He didn't give a shit about his sister at that time. His priority was Sami as Arianna lay clinging to life. I haven't forgotten that, so I don't buy his noble act because he's only noble when it suits him.

I also call BS on Rafe saying he was fueled in part to get with Carrie because he was mad at Sami. If that were the case, he wouldn't have been drooling over her even before he found out about grief sex.

Anyways, I do wonder if Sami will find out he trusted Carrie enough to tell her the truth about the paternity but not her. Tomlin probably won't allow it, but I really wish Sami would find out. That should tell her everything she would need to know.
I never seen him as a hero ,especially about his negligence concerning Arianna's. He was only concerned protecting Sami, some hero :rolleyes:
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.

magicsteacher
Oct 8 2012, 08:21 PM
Ginger
Oct 8 2012, 08:05 PM
magicsteacher
Oct 8 2012, 07:41 PM
nolagirl
Oct 8 2012, 05:23 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deepBecause all of the people you mentioned have never claimed to be upstanding citizens.
How exactly is Rafe covering for his sister? The only thing Rafe told her after she confessed to him what she did, was to stop her from going to the police to confess before she talked with an attorney which she did. That is pretty much standard procedure. Not many folks confess to a crime before talking with an attorney first. He even agreed with her that she would have to take her punishment and she did tell Justin everything. As far as Chad and Nick, Nick stepped in of his own accord with Chad and forced the issue of the depositions which Justin accepted, sealed and filed knowing full well what Gabi had done. Rafe had nothing to do with any of that until after it was done. Rafe has no blood on his hands for any of it, directly or indirectly.

Gabi may have hired Andrew, but she didn't make him kidnap Melanie or take her to the tunnels and light a match when there was the odor of gas which led to the two deaths. Should Gabi have reported the kidnapping to the police? Yes, but Andrew did what he did on his own.
Hey, the moment Gabi didn't report the kidnapping after she found out about it, she was breaking the law.
That is why I said she should have reported the kidnapping to the police. I am not disputing that Gabi committed a crime; however, I still don't think you can hold Gabi responsible for what Andrew chose to do. My point is that Rafe is not trying to cover for her or hide it from anyone. If he were, he wouldn't have had her see an attorney and confess what she did.
He had every intention of covering for her which is why he acquiesced to EJ's blackmail. It was only after Chad and Nick signed depositions that he felt free to pursue Sami, because he no longer had to cover for Gabi.
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Oct 8 2012, 08:43 PM
magicsteacher
Oct 8 2012, 08:21 PM
Ginger
Oct 8 2012, 08:05 PM
magicsteacher
Oct 8 2012, 07:41 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deepBecause all of the people you mentioned have never claimed to be upstanding citizens.
Hey, the moment Gabi didn't report the kidnapping after she found out about it, she was breaking the law.
That is why I said she should have reported the kidnapping to the police. I am not disputing that Gabi committed a crime; however, I still don't think you can hold Gabi responsible for what Andrew chose to do. My point is that Rafe is not trying to cover for her or hide it from anyone. If he were, he wouldn't have had her see an attorney and confess what she did.
He had every intention of covering for her which is why he acquiesced to EJ's blackmail. It was only after Chad and Nick signed depositions that he felt free to pursue Sami, because he no longer had to cover for Gabi.
By the time Ej came over with his little blackmail deal, Gabi had already seen an attorney and confessed to him what she had done. Ej just told Rafe he would prevent Chad from going to the DA. Rafe agreed to that, but he didn't do anything himself to cover up what Gabi had done.
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Don't get up. So how are you? What happened, eh? Let me guess, Stefano told you that you could fly,and you jumped off a building. HeHe It's funny right, no I'm sorry Bad EJ, I should'nt be that cruel!

magicsteacher
Oct 8 2012, 09:10 PM
SocRMum1
Oct 8 2012, 08:43 PM
magicsteacher
Oct 8 2012, 08:21 PM
Ginger
Oct 8 2012, 08:05 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deepBecause all of the people you mentioned have never claimed to be upstanding citizens.
That is why I said she should have reported the kidnapping to the police. I am not disputing that Gabi committed a crime; however, I still don't think you can hold Gabi responsible for what Andrew chose to do. My point is that Rafe is not trying to cover for her or hide it from anyone. If he were, he wouldn't have had her see an attorney and confess what she did.
He had every intention of covering for her which is why he acquiesced to EJ's blackmail. It was only after Chad and Nick signed depositions that he felt free to pursue Sami, because he no longer had to cover for Gabi.
By the time Ej came over with his little blackmail deal, Gabi had already seen an attorney and confessed to him what she had done. Ej just told Rafe he would prevent Chad from going to the DA. Rafe agreed to that, but he didn't do anything himself to cover up what Gabi had done.
Even if that was true, he was not willing for her to go to jail. He did not even have a strong reaction when she told him about her crime,then again it was probably due to his lack of emotion.
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.

magicsteacher
Oct 8 2012, 09:10 PM
SocRMum1
Oct 8 2012, 08:43 PM
magicsteacher
Oct 8 2012, 08:21 PM
Ginger
Oct 8 2012, 08:05 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deepBecause all of the people you mentioned have never claimed to be upstanding citizens.
That is why I said she should have reported the kidnapping to the police. I am not disputing that Gabi committed a crime; however, I still don't think you can hold Gabi responsible for what Andrew chose to do. My point is that Rafe is not trying to cover for her or hide it from anyone. If he were, he wouldn't have had her see an attorney and confess what she did.
He had every intention of covering for her which is why he acquiesced to EJ's blackmail. It was only after Chad and Nick signed depositions that he felt free to pursue Sami, because he no longer had to cover for Gabi.
By the time Ej came over with his little blackmail deal, Gabi had already seen an attorney and confessed to him what she had done. Ej just told Rafe he would prevent Chad from going to the DA. Rafe agreed to that, but he didn't do anything himself to cover up what Gabi had done.
Gabi had confessed to an attorney -not to law enforcement. What she told Justin was protected by attorney/client priviledge so she was not at risk of paying for her crime at that point. When she told Rafe Justin said she would likely face a long prison sentence Rafe told her he was not going to let that happen...thus he was vulnerable to EJ's blackmail.
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magicsteacher
Oct 8 2012, 08:21 PM
Ginger
Oct 8 2012, 08:05 PM
magicsteacher
Oct 8 2012, 07:41 PM
nolagirl
Oct 8 2012, 05:23 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deepBecause all of the people you mentioned have never claimed to be upstanding citizens.
How exactly is Rafe covering for his sister? The only thing Rafe told her after she confessed to him what she did, was to stop her from going to the police to confess before she talked with an attorney which she did. That is pretty much standard procedure. Not many folks confess to a crime before talking with an attorney first. He even agreed with her that she would have to take her punishment and she did tell Justin everything. As far as Chad and Nick, Nick stepped in of his own accord with Chad and forced the issue of the depositions which Justin accepted, sealed and filed knowing full well what Gabi had done. Rafe had nothing to do with any of that until after it was done. Rafe has no blood on his hands for any of it, directly or indirectly.

Gabi may have hired Andrew, but she didn't make him kidnap Melanie or take her to the tunnels and light a match when there was the odor of gas which led to the two deaths. Should Gabi have reported the kidnapping to the police? Yes, but Andrew did what he did on his own.
Hey, the moment Gabi didn't report the kidnapping after she found out about it, she was breaking the law.
That is why I said she should have reported the kidnapping to the police. I am not disputing that Gabi committed a crime; however, I still don't think you can hold Gabi responsible for what Andrew chose to do. My point is that Rafe is not trying to cover for her or hide it from anyone. If he were, he wouldn't have had her see an attorney and confess what she did.
To the bold, actually you can. I'm a smidge rusty on my criminal law but quick and dirty version: if Gabi and Andrew are conspiring to commit a crime together (which IMO, they wee)both can can punished for under the law for whatever actions each person does, at least under the American system. In this instance, for every crime that Andrew committed in an effort to reach that desired end post-agreement, Gabi can be prosecuted for said crimes and thrown into prison, even stuff they didn't plan on together, like everything that happened in the tunnels leading to the explosion and after effects. It might vary depending on the jurisdiction and there are exceptions, blah blah blah... but that's the nuts and bolts.
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Oct 8 2012, 07:41 PM
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Oct 8 2012, 05:23 PM
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Oct 8 2012, 02:23 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deepBecause all of the people you mentioned have never claimed to be upstanding citizens. They know their role, however Rafe is supposed to be this great honest person..yet he has shown time and time again that he is NOT...the clear definition of what a hypocrite is. It's ok for his stupid sister to plot against Mel, and its ok for Nick to blackmail Chad to protect her..yet its not ok for EJ to blackmail him?? Please tell me how this is fair and how this does not make Rafe a hypocrite..I'll wait.....
I don't find this to be the slightest bit true. All of them (EJ, Sami, Nicole, Stefano, Kate, etc), especially EJ, have sat back and pretended to be poor innocent victims who've never broken a rule in their lives. While that doesn't make Rafe less of a hypocrite, his crimes are to such a lesser degree that and his part in them is so small that it just isn't that big of a deal.
OKay I'll say Rafe the hypocrite would lie in his work ethic alone. He led a one man crusade against Nicole over Sydney but had no problem doing it himself with Grace. But beyond that how about the fact that he covered for an attempted murderer, and is now covering for his sister who by all accounts is responsible for two people's deaths. So the man has blood on his hands indirectly but is more than willing to condemn others for less. Sorry forgot about ANdrew his death is also on Gabi's hands since she hired him.
How exactly is Rafe covering for his sister? The only thing Rafe told her after she confessed to him what she did, was to stop her from going to the police to confess before she talked with an attorney which she did. That is pretty much standard procedure. Not many folks confess to a crime before talking with an attorney first. He even agreed with her that she would have to take her punishment and she did tell Justin everything. As far as Chad and Nick, Nick stepped in of his own accord with Chad and forced the issue of the depositions which Justin accepted, sealed and filed knowing full well what Gabi had done. Rafe had nothing to do with any of that until after it was done. Rafe has no blood on his hands for any of it, directly or indirectly.

Gabi may have hired Andrew, but she didn't make him kidnap Melanie or take her to the tunnels and light a match when there was the odor of gas which led to the two deaths. Should Gabi have reported the kidnapping to the police? Yes, but Andrew did what he did on his own.
It doesn't matter...he is an accessory to the crime. He knew she committed a crime yet didn't turn her into the police. I'm not saying I wouldn't do the same thing for my own sister, but the fact is he is a hypocrite because he is supposed to uphold the law, and he just finished getting angry at EJ for doing the same thing Nick is doing to Chad..BLACKMAIL. The whole point I am trying to make is that Rafe is a hypocrite. Is he as bad as EJ? No of course not, but that doesn't make him any more entitled to have love in my book . I am glad that Sami will hold him accountable for his actions. Why should he get a pass yet EJ has to pay for everything he does? Rafe needs to he held accountable, more so than anyone else because he works for the police and should know better!
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Oct 8 2012, 08:37 PM
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Oct 8 2012, 03:58 PM
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Oct 8 2012, 02:23 PM
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Oct 8 2012, 06:10 AM

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Well you have your opinion, but I strongly believe Rafe is THE biggest hypocrite. Why? Because all of the people you mentioned have never claimed to be upstanding citizens. They know their role, however Rafe is supposed to be this great honest person..yet he has shown time and time again that he is NOT...the clear definition of what a hypocrite is. It's ok for his stupid sister to plot against Mel, and its ok for Nick to blackmail Chad to protect her..yet its not ok for EJ to blackmail him?? Please tell me how this is fair and how this does not make Rafe a hypocrite..I'll wait.....
I also don't buy that Rafe is some great, big family protector at-all-costs. He was shown to be hopeful that Arianna would have brain damage and therefore not remember that Sami shot EJ. He didn't give a shit about his sister at that time. His priority was Sami as Arianna lay clinging to life. I haven't forgotten that, so I don't buy his noble act because he's only noble when it suits him.

I also call BS on Rafe saying he was fueled in part to get with Carrie because he was mad at Sami. If that were the case, he wouldn't have been drooling over her even before he found out about grief sex.

Anyways, I do wonder if Sami will find out he trusted Carrie enough to tell her the truth about the paternity but not her. Tomlin probably won't allow it, but I really wish Sami would find out. That should tell her everything she would need to know.
I never seen him as a hero ,especially about his negligence concerning Arianna's. He was only concerned protecting Sami, some hero :rolleyes:
Exactly! The guy gave 2 sh!ts about his sister when she died and about finding her killer, that Dario had to take on the burden of trying to find the truth. Rafe is a pathetic cop and an even more pathetic brother. He was too busy covering up for Scami that he let Arianna's murderer get away. If he had only put in half the effort into finding her killer as he did covering up his murderous wife ,maybe his sister's killer would've been brought to justice sooner.
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I'm confused as to what this Rafe/Gabi debate is about? Is it about who should be convicted of a crime or is it about how Rafe or Gabi are getting away with something? Or something else? Personally I can't stand Rafe, but I assume & hope that most viewers recognize he's not a perfect character - no matter how much Tomlin tries to prop him.

Most characters have committed crimes or have helped cover up crimes and get away with it.

Saying Gabi should be held accountable for Andrew's actions is like saying that EJ should be held accountable for the Brady Pub shooting since he initiated John's embezzlement. Did Gabi want anyone to get physically hurt? No. Did EJ want anyone at the Pub to get shot at, including his kids? No. (Yes I know no one actually died in the pub shooting, but everyone very easily could have).

No matter which characters are being portrayed as "heroes" or "villains", most are guilty of doing something wrong at some point. As I said before, I don't like Rafe, but I don't blame him for trying to protect Gabi. Yes, Rafe is a cop, but have Bo, Abe, or Roman (all portrayed as "heroes") all been perfect? I don't think so.

If this was real life, then practically everyone in Salem would be behind bars. I just think it's hypocritical to say certain characters should pay for their crimes, when others haven't. But fan faves & character bias always plays a role when it comes to this stuff.
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JamaicanBeauty7
Oct 8 2012, 10:21 PM
magicsteacher
Oct 8 2012, 08:21 PM
Ginger
Oct 8 2012, 08:05 PM
magicsteacher
Oct 8 2012, 07:41 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deepBecause all of the people you mentioned have never claimed to be upstanding citizens.
Hey, the moment Gabi didn't report the kidnapping after she found out about it, she was breaking the law.
That is why I said she should have reported the kidnapping to the police. I am not disputing that Gabi committed a crime; however, I still don't think you can hold Gabi responsible for what Andrew chose to do. My point is that Rafe is not trying to cover for her or hide it from anyone. If he were, he wouldn't have had her see an attorney and confess what she did.
To the bold, actually you can. I'm a smidge rusty on my criminal law but quick and dirty version: if Gabi and Andrew are conspiring to commit a crime together (which IMO, they wee)both can can punished for under the law for whatever actions each person does, at least under the American system. In this instance, for every crime that Andrew committed in an effort to reach that desired end post-agreement, Gabi can be prosecuted for said crimes and thrown into prison, even stuff they didn't plan on together, like everything that happened in the tunnels leading to the explosion and after effects. It might vary depending on the jurisdiction and there are exceptions, blah blah blah... but that's the nuts and bolts.
Actually Gabi hired Andrew to pretend to stalk her.She specifically told him not to do anything unless she asked him.Gabi t begged Andrew to let Melanie go and only kept quiet initially because she did not want anyone to know Andrew only became fixated on Melanie because she hired him to back up her original lie then she continued to keep quiet because blackmailed her with the recording he made of their conversation showing she knew of the kidnapping.She had a moral obligation to report to the police that Andrew had kidnapped Melanie.I don't know that you are legally required to report a crime you have knowledge was comitted although some of her behavior could lend itself to a theory of her being an accessory after the fact.But I would like to point out under the theory of your post Stefano is responsible for Lexie's death since he caused Andre(?) to come to town,EJ and Stefano are responsible for Fay's death because they brought fake Rafe to Salem,and EJ in stealing the pension fund from John's company caused the police officer to shoot at John causing the deadbaby sex,break up his his and Sami' marriage,causing the break up of Lucas' engagement to Autumn,causing the break up of his marriage to Nicole and all that resulted from the break up of that marriage.
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shar_d
Oct 8 2012, 11:10 PM
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Oct 8 2012, 07:41 PM
nolagirl
Oct 8 2012, 05:23 PM
lysie
Oct 8 2012, 04:12 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deepBecause all of the people you mentioned have never claimed to be upstanding citizens.
OKay I'll say Rafe the hypocrite would lie in his work ethic alone. He led a one man crusade against Nicole over Sydney but had no problem doing it himself with Grace. But beyond that how about the fact that he covered for an attempted murderer, and is now covering for his sister who by all accounts is responsible for two people's deaths. So the man has blood on his hands indirectly but is more than willing to condemn others for less. Sorry forgot about ANdrew his death is also on Gabi's hands since she hired him.
How exactly is Rafe covering for his sister? The only thing Rafe told her after she confessed to him what she did, was to stop her from going to the police to confess before she talked with an attorney which she did. That is pretty much standard procedure. Not many folks confess to a crime before talking with an attorney first. He even agreed with her that she would have to take her punishment and she did tell Justin everything. As far as Chad and Nick, Nick stepped in of his own accord with Chad and forced the issue of the depositions which Justin accepted, sealed and filed knowing full well what Gabi had done. Rafe had nothing to do with any of that until after it was done. Rafe has no blood on his hands for any of it, directly or indirectly.

Gabi may have hired Andrew, but she didn't make him kidnap Melanie or take her to the tunnels and light a match when there was the odor of gas which led to the two deaths. Should Gabi have reported the kidnapping to the police? Yes, but Andrew did what he did on his own.
It doesn't matter...he is an accessory to the crime. He knew she committed a crime yet didn't turn her into the police. I'm not saying I wouldn't do the same thing for my own sister, but the fact is he is a hypocrite because he is supposed to uphold the law, and he just finished getting angry at EJ for doing the same thing Nick is doing to Chad..BLACKMAIL. The whole point I am trying to make is that Rafe is a hypocrite. Is he as bad as EJ? No of course not, but that doesn't make him any more entitled to have love in my book . I am glad that Sami will hold him accountable for his actions. Why should he get a pass yet EJ has to pay for everything he does? Rafe needs to he held accountable, more so than anyone else because he works for the police and should know better!
EJ has not paid for everthing he has done.
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Ireland98
Oct 8 2012, 11:32 PM
I'm confused as to what this Rafe/Gabi debate is about? Is it about who should be convicted of a crime or is it about how Rafe or Gabi are getting away with something? Or something else? Personally I can't stand Rafe, but I assume & hope that most viewers recognize he's not a perfect character - no matter how much Tomlin tries to prop him.

Most characters have committed crimes or have helped cover up crimes and get away with it.

Saying Gabi should be held accountable for Andrew's actions is like saying that EJ should be held accountable for the Brady Pub shooting since he initiated John's embezzlement. Did Gabi want anyone to get physically hurt? No. Did EJ want anyone at the Pub to get shot at, including his kids? No. (Yes I know no one actually died in the pub shooting, but everyone very easily could have).

No matter which characters are being portrayed as "heroes" or "villains", most are guilty of doing something wrong at some point. As I said before, I don't like Rafe, but I don't blame him for trying to protect Gabi. Yes, Rafe is a cop, but have Bo, Abe, or Roman (all portrayed as "heroes") all been perfect? I don't think so.

If this was real life, then practically everyone in Salem would be behind bars. I just think it's hypocritical to say certain characters should pay for their crimes, when others haven't. But fan faves & character bias always plays a role when it comes to this stuff.
I wish I had read your post before I posted.You are absolutely right.All of the current characters are far from perfect which I believe is why we watch.Perfection is kind of boring.
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Don't get up. So how are you? What happened, eh? Let me guess, Stefano told you that you could fly,and you jumped off a building. HeHe It's funny right, no I'm sorry Bad EJ, I should'nt be that cruel!

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Oct 8 2012, 11:55 PM
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Oct 8 2012, 07:41 PM
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Oct 8 2012, 05:23 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deepBecause all of the people you mentioned have never claimed to be upstanding citizens.
How exactly is Rafe covering for his sister? The only thing Rafe told her after she confessed to him what she did, was to stop her from going to the police to confess before she talked with an attorney which she did. That is pretty much standard procedure. Not many folks confess to a crime before talking with an attorney first. He even agreed with her that she would have to take her punishment and she did tell Justin everything. As far as Chad and Nick, Nick stepped in of his own accord with Chad and forced the issue of the depositions which Justin accepted, sealed and filed knowing full well what Gabi had done. Rafe had nothing to do with any of that until after it was done. Rafe has no blood on his hands for any of it, directly or indirectly.

Gabi may have hired Andrew, but she didn't make him kidnap Melanie or take her to the tunnels and light a match when there was the odor of gas which led to the two deaths. Should Gabi have reported the kidnapping to the police? Yes, but Andrew did what he did on his own.
It doesn't matter...he is an accessory to the crime. He knew she committed a crime yet didn't turn her into the police. I'm not saying I wouldn't do the same thing for my own sister, but the fact is he is a hypocrite because he is supposed to uphold the law, and he just finished getting angry at EJ for doing the same thing Nick is doing to Chad..BLACKMAIL. The whole point I am trying to make is that Rafe is a hypocrite. Is he as bad as EJ? No of course not, but that doesn't make him any more entitled to have love in my book . I am glad that Sami will hold him accountable for his actions. Why should he get a pass yet EJ has to pay for everything he does? Rafe needs to he held accountable, more so than anyone else because he works for the police and should know better!
EJ has not paid for everthing he has done.
Neither has the entire cast. :shrug:
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Oct 8 2012, 11:32 PM
I'm confused as to what this Rafe/Gabi debate is about? Is it about who should be convicted of a crime or is it about how Rafe or Gabi are getting away with something? Or something else? Personally I can't stand Rafe, but I assume & hope that most viewers recognize he's not a perfect character - no matter how much Tomlin tries to prop him.

Most characters have committed crimes or have helped cover up crimes and get away with it.

Saying Gabi should be held accountable for Andrew's actions is like saying that EJ should be held accountable for the Brady Pub shooting since he initiated John's embezzlement. Did Gabi want anyone to get physically hurt? No. Did EJ want anyone at the Pub to get shot at, including his kids? No. (Yes I know no one actually died in the pub shooting, but everyone very easily could have).

No matter which characters are being portrayed as "heroes" or "villains", most are guilty of doing something wrong at some point. As I said before, I don't like Rafe, but I don't blame him for trying to protect Gabi. Yes, Rafe is a cop, but have Bo, Abe, or Roman (all portrayed as "heroes") all been perfect? I don't think so.

If this was real life, then practically everyone in Salem would be behind bars. I just think it's hypocritical to say certain characters should pay for their crimes, when others haven't. But fan faves & character bias always plays a role when it comes to this stuff.
I wish I had read your post before I posted.You are absolutely right.All of the current characters are far from perfect which I believe is why we watch.Perfection is kind of boring.
LOL! Sounds like we were on the same page :) I agree that perfection is boring, especially when it comes to Soaps!
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Oct 8 2012, 11:32 PM
I'm confused as to what this Rafe/Gabi debate is about? Is it about who should be convicted of a crime or is it about how Rafe or Gabi are getting away with something? Or something else? Personally I can't stand Rafe, but I assume & hope that most viewers recognize he's not a perfect character - no matter how much Tomlin tries to prop him.

Most characters have committed crimes or have helped cover up crimes and get away with it.

Saying Gabi should be held accountable for Andrew's actions is like saying that EJ should be held accountable for the Brady Pub shooting since he initiated John's embezzlement. Did Gabi want anyone to get physically hurt? No. Did EJ want anyone at the Pub to get shot at, including his kids? No. (Yes I know no one actually died in the pub shooting, but everyone very easily could have).

No matter which characters are being portrayed as "heroes" or "villains", most are guilty of doing something wrong at some point. As I said before, I don't like Rafe, but I don't blame him for trying to protect Gabi. Yes, Rafe is a cop, but have Bo, Abe, or Roman (all portrayed as "heroes") all been perfect? I don't think so.

If this was real life, then practically everyone in Salem would be behind bars. I just think it's hypocritical to say certain characters should pay for their crimes, when others haven't. But fan faves & character bias always plays a role when it comes to this stuff.
I agree with your post. My previous posts were not to say that Rafe is wrong in protecting Gabi because as I said before, I would do the same for my sibling. My hatred towards Rafe is his hypocrisy. Sure, everyone is guilty of committing some crime in salem, however Rafe has made it his mission in life to bring down EJ. He calls EJ out on all of his crimes, yet covers up other people's crimes because he feels he is judge, jury, and executioner. That is hypocritical, wrong/right..that is up to individual perception..but hypocritical? Most definitely!
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Oct 8 2012, 11:55 PM
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Oct 8 2012, 07:41 PM
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Oct 8 2012, 05:23 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deepBecause all of the people you mentioned have never claimed to be upstanding citizens.
How exactly is Rafe covering for his sister? The only thing Rafe told her after she confessed to him what she did, was to stop her from going to the police to confess before she talked with an attorney which she did. That is pretty much standard procedure. Not many folks confess to a crime before talking with an attorney first. He even agreed with her that she would have to take her punishment and she did tell Justin everything. As far as Chad and Nick, Nick stepped in of his own accord with Chad and forced the issue of the depositions which Justin accepted, sealed and filed knowing full well what Gabi had done. Rafe had nothing to do with any of that until after it was done. Rafe has no blood on his hands for any of it, directly or indirectly.

Gabi may have hired Andrew, but she didn't make him kidnap Melanie or take her to the tunnels and light a match when there was the odor of gas which led to the two deaths. Should Gabi have reported the kidnapping to the police? Yes, but Andrew did what he did on his own.
It doesn't matter...he is an accessory to the crime. He knew she committed a crime yet didn't turn her into the police. I'm not saying I wouldn't do the same thing for my own sister, but the fact is he is a hypocrite because he is supposed to uphold the law, and he just finished getting angry at EJ for doing the same thing Nick is doing to Chad..BLACKMAIL. The whole point I am trying to make is that Rafe is a hypocrite. Is he as bad as EJ? No of course not, but that doesn't make him any more entitled to have love in my book . I am glad that Sami will hold him accountable for his actions. Why should he get a pass yet EJ has to pay for everything he does? Rafe needs to he held accountable, more so than anyone else because he works for the police and should know better!
EJ has not paid for everthing he has done.
No he has not paid for everything he has done, and I think he should. However the point I've been trying to make from the beginning that everyone seems to forget is the fact that EJ is not claiming to be perfect. He has not done jail time true, but all of his faults have been made public and he has lost the 'love of his life" Sami time and time again over it, and lost his children a few times as well. Yet when Rafe or anyone else in salem who doesn't have the last name of Dimera commits a crime, it is brushed under the rug because the Salem PD has an agenda. Stefano is one thing, EJ is a complete other. Pretty much everything EJ has done has been a reaction to something being done towards him. But that is a whole other debate which I have no energy to go into right now lol.
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The problem with Rafe isn't that he's not perfect. The problem is that he's not perfect (in fact far from it), but portrayed like he walks on water. The problem is that it's ok for him to break the law and scheme against others, but holds others accountable for doing the same thing. It's his self-righteousness, his ego, his smugness that's the problem.
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