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Oct 9 2012, 11:51 AM
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Quoting limited to 4 levels deepBecause all of the people you mentioned have never claimed to be upstanding citizens. They know their role, however Rafe is supposed to be this great honest person..yet he has shown time and time again that he is NOT...the clear definition of what a hypocrite is. It's ok for his stupid sister to plot against Mel, and its ok for Nick to blackmail Chad to protect her..yet its not ok for EJ to blackmail him?? Please tell me how this is fair and how this does not make Rafe a hypocrite..I'll wait.....
I don't find this to be the slightest bit true. All of them (EJ, Sami, Nicole, Stefano, Kate, etc), especially EJ, have sat back and pretended to be poor innocent victims who've never broken a rule in their lives. While that doesn't make Rafe less of a hypocrite, his crimes are to such a lesser degree that and his part in them is so small that it just isn't that big of a deal.
OKay I'll say Rafe the hypocrite would lie in his work ethic alone. He led a one man crusade against Nicole over Sydney but had no problem doing it himself with Grace. But beyond that how about the fact that he covered for an attempted murderer, and is now covering for his sister who by all accounts is responsible for two people's deaths. So the man has blood on his hands indirectly but is more than willing to condemn others for less. Sorry forgot about ANdrew his death is also on Gabi's hands since she hired him.
How exactly is Rafe covering for his sister? The only thing Rafe told her after she confessed to him what she did, was to stop her from going to the police to confess before she talked with an attorney which she did. That is pretty much standard procedure. Not many folks confess to a crime before talking with an attorney first. He even agreed with her that she would have to take her punishment and she did tell Justin everything. As far as Chad and Nick, Nick stepped in of his own accord with Chad and forced the issue of the depositions which Justin accepted, sealed and filed knowing full well what Gabi had done. Rafe had nothing to do with any of that until after it was done. Rafe has no blood on his hands for any of it, directly or indirectly. Gabi may have hired Andrew, but she didn't make him kidnap Melanie or take her to the tunnels and light a match when there was the odor of gas which led to the two deaths. Should Gabi have reported the kidnapping to the police? Yes, but Andrew did what he did on his own. Did he ever arrest her for the deaths before getting an attorney for her???? As a police officer when someone commits a crime he is suppose to arrest them. He had no problem arresting EJ for Stefano murder, he had no problem arresting others but when it comes to the Gabi incident he chose only to take her to an attorney not have her turn herself in. Jack and Madison's deaths will be washed under the rug and Gabi's role in it forgotten. Rafe actually at one point said she made a bad deicision but shouldn't have to pay for it the rest of her life. I wonder if Abby, Jenn, Brady would feel this way, the DA was never even given the opportunity to press charges just Justin some depositions about the beat down BUT nothing about the rest. The writers glossed over her crimes with Chad's beat down of Nick. I hardly consider that justice.
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Oct 9 2012, 11:59 AM
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Quoting limited to 4 levels deepBecause all of the people you mentioned have never claimed to be upstanding citizens.
That is why I said she should have reported the kidnapping to the police. I am not disputing that Gabi committed a crime; however, I still don't think you can hold Gabi responsible for what Andrew chose to do. My point is that Rafe is not trying to cover for her or hide it from anyone. If he were, he wouldn't have had her see an attorney and confess what she did.
He had every intention of covering for her which is why he acquiesced to EJ's blackmail. It was only after Chad and Nick signed depositions that he felt free to pursue Sami, because he no longer had to cover for Gabi.
By the time Ej came over with his little blackmail deal, Gabi had already seen an attorney and confessed to him what she had done. Ej just told Rafe he would prevent Chad from going to the DA. Rafe agreed to that, but he didn't do anything himself to cover up what Gabi had done. And he didn't arrest her for the crimes or let the Brady PD know anything about it. Does everyone in Salem know how the explosion's began??? If it were anyone else but Rafe/Gabi or the annointed ones, BUT if like say EJ, Nicole, Stefano did it the whole town would be knowing and critizing her. But instead it's glossed over and having her confess to Justin her lawyer all she did is one thing but has she as of yet gone to the police and confessed everything??? Has her lawyer Justin told her to go confess??? Does the DA know what truly happened and been given the opportunity to pursue the charges???? To all these questions the answer is NO
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Oct 9 2012, 12:01 PM
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Yeah, I'm a lot more annoyed about Gabi getting away with things than I am Rafe. My irritation with Gabi may be right up there with my irritation at EJ and Stefano.
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Oct 9 2012, 12:01 PM
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Quoting limited to 4 levels deepBecause all of the people you mentioned have never claimed to be upstanding citizens.
OKay I'll say Rafe the hypocrite would lie in his work ethic alone. He led a one man crusade against Nicole over Sydney but had no problem doing it himself with Grace. But beyond that how about the fact that he covered for an attempted murderer, and is now covering for his sister who by all accounts is responsible for two people's deaths. So the man has blood on his hands indirectly but is more than willing to condemn others for less. Sorry forgot about ANdrew his death is also on Gabi's hands since she hired him.
How exactly is Rafe covering for his sister? The only thing Rafe told her after she confessed to him what she did, was to stop her from going to the police to confess before she talked with an attorney which she did. That is pretty much standard procedure. Not many folks confess to a crime before talking with an attorney first. He even agreed with her that she would have to take her punishment and she did tell Justin everything. As far as Chad and Nick, Nick stepped in of his own accord with Chad and forced the issue of the depositions which Justin accepted, sealed and filed knowing full well what Gabi had done. Rafe had nothing to do with any of that until after it was done. Rafe has no blood on his hands for any of it, directly or indirectly. Gabi may have hired Andrew, but she didn't make him kidnap Melanie or take her to the tunnels and light a match when there was the odor of gas which led to the two deaths. Should Gabi have reported the kidnapping to the police? Yes, but Andrew did what he did on his own.
Did he ever arrest her for the deaths before getting an attorney for her???? As a police officer when someone commits a crime he is suppose to arrest them. He had no problem arresting EJ for Stefano murder, he had no problem arresting others but when it comes to the Gabi incident he chose only to take her to an attorney not have her turn herself in. Jack and Madison's deaths will be washed under the rug and Gabi's role in it forgotten. Rafe actually at one point said she made a bad deicision but shouldn't have to pay for it the rest of her life. I wonder if Abby, Jenn, Brady would feel this way, the DA was never even given the opportunity to press charges just Justin some depositions about the beat down BUT nothing about the rest. The writers glossed over her crimes with Chad's beat down of Nick. I hardly consider that justice. why jen will give crap she does not care now
she might thanks gabby role that free her to go after daniel
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Oct 9 2012, 12:19 PM
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Well last time Ejole bonded Nicole was trying to get dirt on Ej to send him to jail, and now we have Ej trying to get to the bottom of finding out the truth about his son and getting it all on tape. I'm not the least bothered by this. To me it's just more proof of why Ejole should be together. Sigh. These writers will sadly never get it. :shame:
I'm not an Ejole supporter but I've always seen that through the years Ej's stories have mirrored Nicole's and hers have mirrored his.....I'm not sure it's even done intentionally but look at the present....Nicole is lying, scheming and going to great lengths to get Daniel (a man that clearly doesn't love her) and get rid of her rival Jen in the process. Ej is doing just the same....he's blackmailing, scheming and lying to get Sami (a woman that clearly doesn't love him) and he's trying to get rid of his rival Rafe in the process...it's really sad that they couldn't even think of a way to write good story for these two and made them more solid as a couple. Not that I think ANYONE deserves Ej mind you, I just think he should be bitter, miserable and alone.....I am looking forward to Nicole moving on with Eric though, I think there is great potential to a broken Nicole again reconnecting with her first love and realizing that something greater stands in their way....
I'll never understand this show for not utilizing Ejole to their fullest potential. Wish I could bring myself to care about Eric, but I can't when it feels like they are just severing Ejole's ties without any true closure so Eric can come in without any competition. An Eric/Nicole/Ej triangle would have huge potential, but not surprised that this show picks the laziest easiest route as usual. :shame:
I don't know why they aren't retaining some of the ties back to Ejole, it does puzzle me unless they know that JS is not going to resign and they have already made their plans to move Nicole and Sami into two different story lines all together. It makes no sense that the story with Ejole's baby dying creates more angst for Safe and Dannifer than it does for Ejole....it is rather strange I really don't understand this show. Regardless of whether James was leaving they could have still built up Ejole and Ericole and have Ericole get closer after Ej dies or leaves. There also would have been a lot more SL potential if the Ejole baby would have lived, but this show never knows how to give fans a payoff. Only the instant and forced pairings get those. :shame:
On General Hospital with Jason leaving they are giving both his fanbases some closure, and allowing Sam to finally have her baby with Jason and allowing Jason and Liz to still be on friendly terms. Even though Jason will be gone at least his fans will have some sense of closure instead of being pissed off and given the middle finger. Days really ought to take a few notes and start valuing their viewers instead of finding ways to piss them off. Though I have a feeling this time next year none of this will probably even matter since I doubt Days will even be on air.
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Oct 9 2012, 12:47 PM
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Sami refuses to forgive Rafe, one can only hope it's permanent this time. Safe is as boring as paint drying. I'd rather get run over and die than watch anymore Safe.
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Oct 9 2012, 12:49 PM
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I'm actually interested in seeing where the Wilson and Nick/Gabi quadrangle is going. I think - especially if Gabi's preggers (which would not have been my first choice of a storyline but whatever) - they might have a chance to do some classic soap storylines with a gay twist to it. I like Nick, Will and Sonny as characters and I'm starting to find Gabi tolerable when she's with Nick, so I'm on board. The grown-up storylines are a mess and not worth investing in - but this could be fun. This is the only story worth watching at this point.
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Yeah, I'm a lot more annoyed about Gabi getting away with things than I am Rafe. My irritation with Gabi may be right up there with my irritation at EJ and Stefano. I'd be more irritated with Gabi getting away with things if it were not for the fact that her primary victim was Melanie who I can't muster any sympathy for at all. If it had been Abby, I'd probably be all sorts of irritated by it. But, as it is, all I can muster up is a "meh."
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Oct 9 2012, 12:56 PM
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Yeah, I'm a lot more annoyed about Gabi getting away with things than I am Rafe. My irritation with Gabi may be right up there with my irritation at EJ and Stefano.
I'd be more irritated with Gabi getting away with things if it were not for the fact that her primary victim was Melanie who I can't muster any sympathy for at all. If it had been Abby, I'd probably be all sorts of irritated by it. But, as it is, all I can muster up is a "meh." Oh I consider her primary victims to be Jack and Madison. I don't care about what she did to Melanie either.
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Oct 9 2012, 12:57 PM
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Quoting limited to 4 levels deepBecause all of the people you mentioned have never claimed to be upstanding citizens.
How exactly is Rafe covering for his sister? The only thing Rafe told her after she confessed to him what she did, was to stop her from going to the police to confess before she talked with an attorney which she did. That is pretty much standard procedure. Not many folks confess to a crime before talking with an attorney first. He even agreed with her that she would have to take her punishment and she did tell Justin everything. As far as Chad and Nick, Nick stepped in of his own accord with Chad and forced the issue of the depositions which Justin accepted, sealed and filed knowing full well what Gabi had done. Rafe had nothing to do with any of that until after it was done. Rafe has no blood on his hands for any of it, directly or indirectly. Gabi may have hired Andrew, but she didn't make him kidnap Melanie or take her to the tunnels and light a match when there was the odor of gas which led to the two deaths. Should Gabi have reported the kidnapping to the police? Yes, but Andrew did what he did on his own.
It doesn't matter...he is an accessory to the crime. He knew she committed a crime yet didn't turn her into the police. I'm not saying I wouldn't do the same thing for my own sister, but the fact is he is a hypocrite because he is supposed to uphold the law, and he just finished getting angry at EJ for doing the same thing Nick is doing to Chad..BLACKMAIL. The whole point I am trying to make is that Rafe is a hypocrite. Is he as bad as EJ? No of course not, but that doesn't make him any more entitled to have love in my book . I am glad that Sami will hold him accountable for his actions. Why should he get a pass yet EJ has to pay for everything he does? Rafe needs to he held accountable, more so than anyone else because he works for the police and should know better!
EJ has not paid for everthing he has done. Yet EJ has been and continued to be prosecuted in Salem by the towns people (also Nicole, Stefano), yet Rafe and Gabi walk away with everyone( thanks to Tomlin's bias writing) as heroic and pure perfection.
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Oct 9 2012, 01:02 PM
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Ok...I missed some episodes around the explosion, but I thought the explosions would have happened anyway, regardless of Andrew dragging Melanie down to the tunnels. Is Gabi really to blame for them? Was something shown that I missed that would have made it Gabi's fault?
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Oct 9 2012, 01:02 PM
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Quoting limited to 4 levels deepBecause all of the people you mentioned have never claimed to be upstanding citizens.
It doesn't matter...he is an accessory to the crime. He knew she committed a crime yet didn't turn her into the police. I'm not saying I wouldn't do the same thing for my own sister, but the fact is he is a hypocrite because he is supposed to uphold the law, and he just finished getting angry at EJ for doing the same thing Nick is doing to Chad..BLACKMAIL. The whole point I am trying to make is that Rafe is a hypocrite. Is he as bad as EJ? No of course not, but that doesn't make him any more entitled to have love in my book . I am glad that Sami will hold him accountable for his actions. Why should he get a pass yet EJ has to pay for everything he does? Rafe needs to he held accountable, more so than anyone else because he works for the police and should know better!
EJ has not paid for everthing he has done.
Yet EJ has been and continued to be prosecuted in Salem by the towns people (also Nicole, Stefano), yet Rafe and Gabi walk away with everyone( thanks to Tomlin's bias writing) as heroic and pure perfection. He hasn't been prosecuted. Persecuted maybe. EJ's actions affect the people who don't like him. Rafe is getting grief from his victim the same as EJ gets from his. The rest of the town has no reason to hate Rafe. Gabi on the other hand....
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Oct 9 2012, 01:04 PM
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I'm pretty sure it's not the Rafe getting screwed over part that bothers lysie. I'm pretty sure she doesn't care if Rafe gets screwed over. I think it has a lot more to do with the "fair is fair" aspect of the whole thing. At least that's the part that makes me want to scream.
I understand that based on what Lysie and you have said in the past. However, after Rafe busted up EJ's wedding with a taped confession of the truth, I can't help but feel good that Rafe is getting a taste of what that feels like.
That's fine. I just disagree that the two "crimes" are remotely similar. So the quid pro quo thing doesn't quite work. nope not even close! And I dare say Sami won't be led to shoot Rafe in the head later the same night either. I still think Safe will rebound from this stronger than ever. Sami is not stupid, she is a woman who has had to hide a child from EJ herself with Rafe's help and has lost a baby she thought was her's. She knows what all that feels like--and will come around to realize Rafester did what he had to do!!
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Excited to see the John/Marlena/Sonny/Will scenes aha, I'm guessing they'll already know that Wilson are together but IDK there's something very sweet sounding about these scenes though.
And the Wilson/Nabi stuff seems intriguing also.
I just love Wilson stuff so yknow lol :wub:
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Oct 9 2012, 01:06 PM
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Ok...I missed some episodes around the explosion, but I thought the explosions would have happened anyway, regardless of Andrew dragging Melanie down to the tunnels. Is Gabi really to blame for them? Was something shown that I missed that would have made it Gabi's fault? Andrew lit the match that started the explosions.
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I dont see gabis actions any worse than anyone elses in salem. Im actually excited to see her and nick
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Oct 9 2012, 01:15 PM
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I dont see gabis actions any worse than anyone elses in salem. Im actually excited to see her and nick I don't necessarily think she should go to prison or anything like that, but I don't like that the families of the people who died don't even know that they're friendly pub waitress played a part in people's deaths.
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Oct 9 2012, 01:15 PM
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I understand that based on what Lysie and you have said in the past. However, after Rafe busted up EJ's wedding with a taped confession of the truth, I can't help but feel good that Rafe is getting a taste of what that feels like.
That's fine. I just disagree that the two "crimes" are remotely similar. So the quid pro quo thing doesn't quite work.
nope not even close! And I dare say Sami won't be led to shoot Rafe in the head later the same night either. I still think Safe will rebound from this stronger than ever. Sami is not stupid, she is a woman who has had to hide a child from EJ herself with Rafe's help and has lost a baby she thought was her's. She knows what all that feels like--and will come around to realize Rafester did what he had to do!! Uhm...on bolded I sooo disagree....Sami is a moronic twit.....she left stupid behind years ago....
I love how she tells Rafe that she knows Ej and she could play him but somehow someway she wasn't able to figure out that Ej blackmailed someone to get Rafe away from her. Sami USE to be smart, or at least she use to be able to figure things out.....not anymore
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Oct 9 2012, 01:16 PM
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Yeah, I'm a lot more annoyed about Gabi getting away with things than I am Rafe. My irritation with Gabi may be right up there with my irritation at EJ and Stefano. Agreed. It annoys me that Gabi is seemingly getting off so easily when she put into motion events that ultimately led to two people's deaths. I know she's been exonerated by Rafe (with the lame excuse Andrew could've just as easily become obsessed with Mel after spotting her on the street :eyeroll: ), but I think it's crap that she's not feeling some repercussions from somewhere for what she did. My only hope is that they are going to build to Abby finding out the truth about the Gabi's actions that ultimately led to her dad's death. I have a feeling that KM could give a good beatdown.
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Oct 9 2012, 01:17 PM
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.
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Sami is not stupid, she is a woman who has had to hide a child from EJ herself with Rafe's help and has lost a baby she thought was her's. She knows what all that feels like--and will come around to realize Rafester did what he had to do!! Sami recently told EJ that hiding Grace/Sydney was a mistake. Even when offering to help Rafe keep his secret she made it a point to say that she believes EJ is a good father. The Rafester didn't do 'what he had to do' - he admitted he did what he wanted to do to get revenge on EJ.
Big difference.
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