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Leaving aside what you'd do in your personal life, since that's your business, I'm curious about why you think what happened to Mickey was worse than anything else? TBH, I really don't see how that's bad at all. The only person who originally got deceived was given a son and probably wouldn't have traded those moments for anything in the world. Although Mike did get hurt down the line, which is unfortunate, but unavoidable. I also disagree that paternity lies have been treated as much worse now than they were prior to the ones that affected EJ. EJ went too far by kidnapping Sydney, but he goes too far with everything. And the path that story took is pretty similar to the story that developed from Will's paternity lie.
I think it's worse for family to be all in on a secret like that against another family member. No, the show doesn't treat it any differently. ;)
As for Mickey, I disagree, but see what you're saying. As for the other point, I definitely remember Mimi getting ripped to shreds by the shelles in particular, and I'm sure by others as well. The majority of the other stories took place before the advent of boards or included unpopular people, like Abe, but I don't believe Lucas fans weren't angry with what Sami did with Will, for example. And were any of those men that were lied to about paternity lied to 3 different times in the span of 3 years?
Yeah, that's why I've run out of patience with it all. Perhaps I'm not the only EJ fan and perhaps if the same had been done to Lucas or Mickey, etc in that same amount of time their fans would feel a bit differently too. Just a guess anyways. ;)
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Oct 9 2012, 05:21 PM
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but that's saying that Rafe didn't do it to protect this baby from a guy he doesn't consider such a great dad.
And this statement, in a nut shell, is why the character of Rafe sucks so much. Who is he to play God - determining the right someone may have to be a parent to their child? It's not his call if EJ, Nicole, Sami, Gabi, Will, or the random lady across the hall should have a relationship with their child - and it's sure as hell not his right to step in and take over the role. Not only is it unbelievably arrogant - it's also illegal.
I'm not disputing that Rafe sucks, but the guy didn't jump in and randomly decide that some random person didn't have a right to their child. It's EJ. The guy who was part of the scheme to kidnap Rafe, erase his memories, and put an imposter in his place. He has a valid basis for his views on the guy. He's not making judgments from on high, he's making judgments based on things that were done to HIM. I don't find it arrogant. Hell, it's not even illegal unless you want to make a conspiracy case regarding the paternity tests. Which, again, I'm not sure is even a crime. Daniel could lose his license for a violation of ethics, but I'm not sure what crime was committed. I'd have to look that one up. In any case, Rafe has as much right to play God as anybody on this show who has ever kept a paternity secret does. Which is to say both as much as right as circumstances have granted them -- or none at all -- depending on whether you like the character or don't (or whether you like the character being deceived or don't). I'd agree with you BUT Rafe did make the decision about Grace before knowing EJ so that argument really doesn't stand up completely. He NOW has reason's but his first go round he played GOD.
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Oct 9 2012, 05:31 PM
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I don't care who the character is - nobody has a right to interfere with the relationship between a parent and child. It's not just that this is Rafe for me - I would feel the same way if EJ were claiming rights to a child we all knew was not his. What makes it all the more galling with Rafe is it's not the first time he's done this - and with EJ's kids. Both Sami and Nicole willing had unprotected sex with EJ. Whether they later regretted doesn't negate the fact they chose to do it and they have no more right than Rafe (or anyone else) to then decide they don't want EJ to play a role in their child's life. In Nicole's case, it's even more hypocritical because right up until the moment she found out EJ had sex with Sami she was happily building a life with EJ. Nothing changed other than the fact that she found out (after the fact) he'd slept with Sami and not told her about it. She evidently found him to be fine father material up until that moment - thus the lengths she went to deceive him about this kid smack of nothing but jealousy. And Rafe entered into the lie knowing full well that Nicole and EJ had a mutual, consensual relationship that didn't end until the truth about the sex with Sami came out. How either of them went on to use that to justify their dictate that EJ should not be permitted to be a parent to his child is where the story fails. Their desire for revenge far outweighed any other concern - including what was best for the baby.
I don't agree with this for the show or real life. If I lose my mind and sleep with some noted criminal whose family has history of losing children (grown or still little) in the crossfires of criminal activity, you better believe I'm going to hide whatever I get knocked up with. Every one of the characters that's been a part of this love hexagon of suck has valid reasons for not wanting their kids near the others and I don't blame any of them for these particular lies. I blame them for lots more things, but the child's right not to be a sitting target, IMO, trumps anyone's parental rights. Especially when they're all prone to giving up their parental rights anyway if the right romantic interest comes along. Personally, I think what was done with Mickey/Laura/Bill was worse than any of this. Paternity switches have never been the crime of the century until they started involving EJ.
THIS was the only point I was really trying to make. Thanks. Actually I've had a problem with it since Sami started chosing her children's father after she gave birth, it's been a pattern for her in every child she's had.
Will - Austin - Lucas
Johnny/Allie - Lucas - EJ (this one she went both ways on for both children :'( )
Grace - Rafe - EJ
Sydney - EJ got her by default thanks to Nicole, but Sami did use both her and Johnny as pawns for the let's keep the kids away from EJ game.
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Leaving aside what you'd do in your personal life, since that's your business, I'm curious about why you think what happened to Mickey was worse than anything else? TBH, I really don't see how that's bad at all. The only person who originally got deceived was given a son and probably wouldn't have traded those moments for anything in the world. Although Mike did get hurt down the line, which is unfortunate, but unavoidable. I also disagree that paternity lies have been treated as much worse now than they were prior to the ones that affected EJ. EJ went too far by kidnapping Sydney, but he goes too far with everything. And the path that story took is pretty similar to the story that developed from Will's paternity lie.
I think it's worse for family to be all in on a secret like that against another family member. No, the show doesn't treat it any differently. ;)
As for Mickey, I disagree, but see what you're saying. As for the other point, I definitely remember Mimi getting ripped to shreds by the shelles in particular, and I'm sure by others as well. The majority of the other stories took place before soap forums became popular (and maybe even before any dedicated soap boards existed) or included unpopular people, like Abe, but I don't believe Lucas fans weren't angry with what Sami did with Will, for example. I think it's impossible to accurately gauge and compare the reaction to those stories to these, when never before have so many people had the means to weigh in on the stories. It's not at all impossible. Many of the stories were recent and didn't garner near the reaction EJ paternity stories do.
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I don't care who the character is - nobody has a right to interfere with the relationship between a parent and child. It's not just that this is Rafe for me - I would feel the same way if EJ were claiming rights to a child we all knew was not his. What makes it all the more galling with Rafe is it's not the first time he's done this - and with EJ's kids. Both Sami and Nicole willing had unprotected sex with EJ. Whether they later regretted doesn't negate the fact they chose to do it and they have no more right than Rafe (or anyone else) to then decide they don't want EJ to play a role in their child's life. In Nicole's case, it's even more hypocritical because right up until the moment she found out EJ had sex with Sami she was happily building a life with EJ. Nothing changed other than the fact that she found out (after the fact) he'd slept with Sami and not told her about it. She evidently found him to be fine father material up until that moment - thus the lengths she went to deceive him about this kid smack of nothing but jealousy. And Rafe entered into the lie knowing full well that Nicole and EJ had a mutual, consensual relationship that didn't end until the truth about the sex with Sami came out. How either of them went on to use that to justify their dictate that EJ should not be permitted to be a parent to his child is where the story fails. Their desire for revenge far outweighed any other concern - including what was best for the baby.
I don't agree with this for the show or real life. If I lose my mind and sleep with some noted criminal whose family has history of losing children (grown or still little) in the crossfires of criminal activity, you better believe I'm going to hide whatever I get knocked up with. Every one of the characters that's been a part of this love hexagon of suck has valid reasons for not wanting their kids near the others and I don't blame any of them for these particular lies. I blame them for lots more things, but the child's right not to be a sitting target, IMO, trumps anyone's parental rights. Especially when they're all prone to giving up their parental rights anyway if the right romantic interest comes along. Personally, I think what was done with Mickey/Laura/Bill was worse than any of this. Paternity switches have never been the crime of the century until they started involving EJ.
THIS was the only point I was really trying to make. Thanks. I don't know about that I hated SAmi for lying about will now granted it wasn't as long as lying about EJ but she did lie about it so its really no suprise she would have done it again.
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Rafe made the descion to play baby daddy in no way did nicole force him she even offered him a way out. Nicole would have came clean with ej the day he found out if rafe hadnt been there. Im not saying they were right in there reasons but there crime is pretty mild compared to others we have seen.
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but that's saying that Rafe didn't do it to protect this baby from a guy he doesn't consider such a great dad.
And this statement, in a nut shell, is why the character of Rafe sucks so much. Who is he to play God - determining the right someone may have to be a parent to their child? It's not his call if EJ, Nicole, Sami, Gabi, Will, or the random lady across the hall should have a relationship with their child - and it's sure as hell not his right to step in and take over the role. Not only is it unbelievably arrogant - it's also illegal.
I'm not disputing that Rafe sucks, but the guy didn't jump in and randomly decide that some random person didn't have a right to their child. It's EJ. The guy who was part of the scheme to kidnap Rafe, erase his memories, and put an imposter in his place. He has a valid basis for his views on the guy. He's not making judgments from on high, he's making judgments based on things that were done to HIM. I don't find it arrogant. Hell, it's not even illegal unless you want to make a conspiracy case regarding the paternity tests. Which, again, I'm not sure is even a crime. Daniel could lose his license for a violation of ethics, but I'm not sure what crime was committed. I'd have to look that one up. In any case, Rafe has as much right to play God as anybody on this show who has ever kept a paternity secret does. Which is to say both as much as right as circumstances have granted them -- or none at all -- depending on whether you like the character or don't (or whether you like the character being deceived or don't).
I'd agree with you BUT Rafe did make the decision about Grace before knowing EJ so that argument really doesn't stand up completely. He NOW has reason's but his first go round he played GOD. Because Sami wanted him to and she spoke about EJ as if he was the devil to Rafe. This time he had sufficient reason but last time he gave his word to Sami and she encouraged it
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I think it's worse for family to be all in on a secret like that against another family member. No, the show doesn't treat it any differently. ;)
As for Mickey, I disagree, but see what you're saying. As for the other point, I definitely remember Mimi getting ripped to shreds by the shelles in particular, and I'm sure by others as well. The majority of the other stories took place before soap forums became popular (and maybe even before any dedicated soap boards existed) or included unpopular people, like Abe, but I don't believe Lucas fans weren't angry with what Sami did with Will, for example. I think it's impossible to accurately gauge and compare the reaction to those stories to these, when never before have so many people had the means to weigh in on the stories.
It's not at all impossible. Many of the stories were recent and didn't garner near the reaction EJ paternity stories do. No stories garner the reaction that EJ's stories do, just because for some reason, more people seem to comment on Ej/Sami stuff than anyone else, but that's not the same as a character getting treated more harshly because they stole EJ's kid, imo. It just means more people are invested enough in EJ to weigh in (both for and against the kid-grab as we can see), but that doesn't tell you how everyone feels about the plot line in general. Unless I'm forgetting a story, I think we must have different definitions of either "many" or "recent." I'd put the marker for recent around 2005 and leaving out paternity lie stories surrounding EJ we have-
Mimi/Claire - Got a big reaction Parker - Same
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It sounds like Dan believing Jen's story is going to be the justification for Jen falling in love with him again so soon after Jack's death. All hail Dan, protector of misunderstood and unjustly maligned Salem saints. Spare me! :puke:
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Quoting limited to 4 levels deep the show doesn't treat it any differently. ;)
As for Mickey, I disagree, but see what you're saying. As for the other point, I definitely remember Mimi getting ripped to shreds by the shelles in particular, and I'm sure by others as well. The majority of the other stories took place before soap forums became popular (and maybe even before any dedicated soap boards existed) or included unpopular people, like Abe, but I don't believe Lucas fans weren't angry with what Sami did with Will, for example. I think it's impossible to accurately gauge and compare the reaction to those stories to these, when never before have so many people had the means to weigh in on the stories.
It's not at all impossible. Many of the stories were recent and didn't garner near the reaction EJ paternity stories do.
No stories garner the reaction that EJ's stories do, just because for some reason, more people seem to comment on Ej/Sami stuff than anyone else, but that's not the same as a character getting treated more harshly because they stole EJ's kid, imo. It just means more people are invested enough in EJ to weigh in (both for and against the kid-grab as we can see), but that doesn't tell you how everyone feels about the plot line in general. Unless I'm forgetting a story, I think we must have different definitions of either "many" or "recent." I'd put the marker for recent around 2005 and leaving out paternity lie stories surrounding EJ we have- Mimi/Claire - Got a big reaction Parker - Same I don't think Parker was the same at all. There's also Ciara, Melanie, Daniell, Chad. No one really complains about Belle, Bo, Lucas, Cassie, Rex, Carrie, Lexie, Baby EJ, and with those I mean both on and off the show.
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It's not at all impossible. Many of the stories were recent and didn't garner near the reaction EJ paternity stories do.
No stories garner the reaction that EJ's stories do, just because for some reason, more people seem to comment on Ej/Sami stuff than anyone else, but that's not the same as a character getting treated more harshly because they stole EJ's kid, imo. It just means more people are invested enough in EJ to weigh in (both for and against the kid-grab as we can see), but that doesn't tell you how everyone feels about the plot line in general. Unless I'm forgetting a story, I think we must have different definitions of either "many" or "recent." I'd put the marker for recent around 2005 and leaving out paternity lie stories surrounding EJ we have- Mimi/Claire - Got a big reaction Parker - Same
I don't think Parker was the same at all. There's also Ciara, Melanie, Daniell, Chad. No one really complains about Belle, Bo, Lucas, Cassie, Rex, Carrie, Lexie, Baby EJ, and with those I mean both on and off the show. Stephanie took a lot of bashing around that time. People thought she was pathetic and the paternity situation was partially why, IIRC. People seemed more confused about why Caroline was even in the story than whether she was doing the right thing. Either way, if you agree about Mimi, my point is made. Ciara does belong on the list, although I don't remember how people reacted either way.
I don't think Melanie, Daniel or Chad the same sort of story as the EJ paternity stories. For one thing, nobody lied about Melanie or Daniel's paternity, so there was no one to get outraged at. Carly did keep her secret, but she was being held hostage, so who could blame her? For another thing, the stories that get the strongest reactions are the ones that the fans watch unfold, so it's kind of hard to compare a story of a newly created adult (Chad) to one where you watch someone actually losing time with their child.
On everybody else, most people (talking off show) don't complain about anything that happened that long ago. And if you're talking about the reaction at the time, then we're back to me being skeptical about comparing reactions of people before/after we had several active forums. On the show though, I think the most telling thing about your list is that he majority of those children were kept from villains. The non villains were okay with it then and they're okay with it now. Stefano was upset about EJ though and there was a while where Lucas would not shut up about Kate lying to him. And Tandrlena were pretty upset about the wonder twins, IIRC. Well, I really don't remember how Marlena felt, but I know Tandre was furious. Everybody was angry with Sami about the Will and Theo paternity lies, too.
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I cant wait to see jen go to jail. YAY
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I cant wait to see jen go to jail. YAY I'd settle for someone, preferably Nicole or Kate, slapping the snot out of her. She needs to be knocked off that high horse she's been riding since the Daysaster.
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I cant wait to see jen go to jail. YAY
I'd settle for someone, preferably Nicole or Kate, slapping the snot out of her. She needs to be knocked off that high horse she's been riding since the Daysaster. She's been riding that high horse since she came back from London in 2010.
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I'm not disputing that Rafe sucks, but the guy didn't jump in and randomly decide that some random person didn't have a right to their child. It's EJ. The guy who was part of the scheme to kidnap Rafe, erase his memories, and put an imposter in his place. He has a valid basis for his views on the guy. He's not making judgments from on high, he's making judgments based on things that were done to HIM. I don't find it arrogant. Hell, it's not even illegal unless you want to make a conspiracy case regarding the paternity tests. Which, again, I'm not sure is even a crime. Daniel could lose his license for a violation of ethics, but I'm not sure what crime was committed. I'd have to look that one up. In any case, Rafe has as much right to play God as anybody on this show who has ever kept a paternity secret does. Which is to say both as much as right as circumstances have granted them -- or none at all -- depending on whether you like the character or don't (or whether you like the character being deceived or don't).
I'd agree with you BUT Rafe did make the decision about Grace before knowing EJ so that argument really doesn't stand up completely. He NOW has reason's but his first go round he played GOD.
Because Sami wanted him to and she spoke about EJ as if he was the devil to Rafe. This time he had sufficient reason but last time he gave his word to Sami and she encouraged it There is no sufficient reason to keep a child from his father. The argument that EJ is a bad father doesn't work because he has been a great father to Johnny and Sydney as of late. And he had no intention of taking the baby from Nicole. In the beginning he only asked her to raise the child with him. Nicole & Rafe had no logical reason to think EJ would take the child. And did Rafe ever consider the well-being of the child? What if the child got sick and needed blood? What then? They never considered what was best for the child. They used that child out of jealousy and spite - neither of which are sufficient reasons to lie about a child's paternity and both are downright hypocritical.
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I cant wait to see jen go to jail. YAY
I'd settle for someone, preferably Nicole or Kate, slapping the snot out of her. She needs to be knocked off that high horse she's been riding since the Daysaster.
She's been riding that high horse since she came back from London in 2010. Exactly! The bitch needs to go down and suffer and be alone!!!
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I cant wait to see jen go to jail. YAY
I'd settle for someone, preferably Nicole or Kate, slapping the snot out of her. She needs to be knocked off that high horse she's been riding since the Daysaster.
She's been riding that high horse since she came back from London in 2010.
Exactly! The bitch needs to go down and suffer and be alone!!! I've been meaning to say I love your new avie. :wub:
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Oct 9 2012, 08:13 PM
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I'd agree with you BUT Rafe did make the decision about Grace before knowing EJ so that argument really doesn't stand up completely. He NOW has reason's but his first go round he played GOD.
Because Sami wanted him to and she spoke about EJ as if he was the devil to Rafe. This time he had sufficient reason but last time he gave his word to Sami and she encouraged it
There is no sufficient reason to keep a child from his father. The argument that EJ is a bad father doesn't work because he has been a great father to Johnny and Sydney as of late. And he had no intention of taking the baby from Nicole. In the beginning he only asked her to raise the child with him. Nicole & Rafe had no logical reason to think EJ would take the child. And did Rafe ever consider the well-being of the child? What if the child got sick and needed blood? What then? They never considered what was best for the child. They used that child out of jealousy and spite - neither of which are sufficient reasons to lie about a child's paternity and both are downright hypocritical. honestly sami should have known better she seen how much damage the truth about keeping wills paternity a secret did.you would think she would have grown from her mistakes then turns around and does the same with sydney
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Oct 9 2012, 08:26 PM
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No stories garner the reaction that EJ's stories do, just because for some reason, more people seem to comment on Ej/Sami stuff than anyone else, but that's not the same as a character getting treated more harshly because they stole EJ's kid, imo. It just means more people are invested enough in EJ to weigh in (both for and against the kid-grab as we can see), but that doesn't tell you how everyone feels about the plot line in general. Unless I'm forgetting a story, I think we must have different definitions of either "many" or "recent." I'd put the marker for recent around 2005 and leaving out paternity lie stories surrounding EJ we have- Mimi/Claire - Got a big reaction Parker - Same
I don't think Parker was the same at all. There's also Ciara, Melanie, Daniell, Chad. No one really complains about Belle, Bo, Lucas, Cassie, Rex, Carrie, Lexie, Baby EJ, and with those I mean both on and off the show.
Stephanie took a lot of bashing around that time. People thought she was pathetic and the paternity situation was partially why, IIRC. People seemed more confused about why Caroline was even in the story than whether she was doing the right thing. Either way, if you agree about Mimi, my point is made. Ciara does belong on the list, although I don't remember how people reacted either way. I don't think Melanie, Daniel or Chad the same sort of story as the EJ paternity stories. For one thing, nobody lied about Melanie or Daniel's paternity, so there was no one to get outraged at. Carly did keep her secret, but she was being held hostage, so who could blame her? For another thing, the stories that get the strongest reactions are the ones that the fans watch unfold, so it's kind of hard to compare a story of a newly created adult (Chad) to one where you watch someone actually losing time with their child. On everybody else, most people (talking off show) don't complain about anything that happened that long ago. And if you're talking about the reaction at the time, then we're back to me being skeptical about comparing reactions of people before/after we had several active forums. On the show though, I think the most telling thing about your list is that he majority of those children were kept from villains. The non villains were okay with it then and they're okay with it now. Stefano was upset about EJ though and there was a while where Lucas would not shut up about Kate lying to him. And Tandrlena were pretty upset about the wonder twins, IIRC. Well, I really don't remember how Marlena felt, but I know Tandre was furious. Everybody was angry with Sami about the Will and Theo paternity lies, too. I don't agree about Mimi and I hated her. I don't agree about any of them. If I agreed, I wouldn't have made the statement in the first place. I don't think any would give a crap, at least not to the same degree, if it weren't EJ. While some paternity liars might have gotten some hate, the "victims" who were typically more innocent than EJ could we be, didn't get near the sympathy. I think we've taken a very gray situation and done very thin possible to turn it into black and white and I don't think that was done with other paternity lies.
All that being said, I do think this show needs to stop involving EJ in paternity lies. It's old and overdone en for just his character alone. But I don't feel bad for him because he's not some stand up, innocent guy. There are valid reasons to hide children from him and that won't change even if they do 57 more paternity stories for him. But instill have no desire to watch it again. This particular story and its supposed fallout is particularly lame since no one believe the stupid lie in the first place and there were never and still aren't any real stakes.
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Oct 9 2012, 08:35 PM
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I don't think Parker was the same at all. There's also Ciara, Melanie, Daniell, Chad. No one really complains about Belle, Bo, Lucas, Cassie, Rex, Carrie, Lexie, Baby EJ, and with those I mean both on and off the show.
Obvious common denominator is obvious. Monotonous paternity stories are crap-tac-u-lar.
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