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Friday, October 12th Daily Discussion
Topic Started: Oct 11 2012, 01:17 PM (8,898 Views)
leela46


lysie
Oct 11 2012, 01:29 PM
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Kristen - Chad. What kind of a name is Chad

I love her.



Meanwhile, I don't want to get into an abortion debate, but can you actually be arrested for murder of an unborn child? They should have made it assault or something.

Jennifer has been arrested twice this year.
Maybe it depends on the state where the crime happened. I do know that Scott Peterson was convicted of murdering both his wife Laci and their unborn son. So yes you can be charged and convicted with killing an unborn child.

This episode sound so sad.
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Days of Our Lives without Wilson is not Days of Our Lives.
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Courtneya6688
Oct 11 2012, 01:39 PM
Ugh this sucks i cant believe they really killed this baby off. Nicole is going to break my heart tomorrow
^o) Let's see if I can predict Tom/Sell - Caroline's alzheimer storyline will help get Jennifer free when Caroline has a moment of clarity and tells what she heard. And as much as I hate to admit this Jennifer should be charged with manslaughter not murder, Murder means you premeditated the death, manslaughter means you accidently killed someone. Jeez I know it's a soap but stupid little things just irk me. So glad Tom/Sell killed a baby to give Dannifer their much needed angst.



:wow: IT is me or didn't Corday say a while back that there would be no more dead babies, or hurting of children for plot purposes, as usual a man of his word.
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nolagirl
Oct 11 2012, 02:01 PM

:wow: IT is me or didn't Corday say a while back that there would be no more dead babies, or hurting of children for plot purposes, as usual a man of his word.
He also said the show would be entertaining about a million times... means nothing! lol

This is OT, but when does Eric come to town?
Edited by Tammy, Oct 11 2012, 02:06 PM.
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Cam says good. I got him. Silence. Nicole - Why is everyone so quiet? Cam - The baby was unresponsive. I'm so sorry. He must have suffered a trauma during the fall. There's nothing we can do.


Aren't they supposed to try and resusitate the baby? CPR? That's just weird that they immediately pronounce him dead.

Poor Nicole. :'(
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I think this episode clearly shows nicoles baby is dead with little to no loop holes for him to come back alive. As sad as it is az has been amazing and im sure will continue to be through this storyline. Im hoping her accusation that jen meant to push her doesnt last long. I want this to be a storyline that deeply affects nicole personally and it not all be a big lie. I think her coming clean and accepting the loss could be some much needed character growth. Nicole deserves some happiness but the only way to achieve that is for her to get her self together and love herself. Im excited for eric to come back and hopefully they can reconnect maybe even be salems next big super couple. And i know nicole cant adopt but later on this could be a good story for her to finally be in a committed ed relationship and adopt a child
Edited by Courtneya6688, Oct 11 2012, 02:23 PM.
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Tammy
Oct 11 2012, 02:05 PM
nolagirl
Oct 11 2012, 02:01 PM

:wow: IT is me or didn't Corday say a while back that there would be no more dead babies, or hurting of children for plot purposes, as usual a man of his word.
He also said the show would be entertaining about a million times... means nothing! lol

This is OT, but when does Eric come to town?
At this point Eric can't help Nicole, they are trying their hardest to make her hated by all, once it comes out that the baby was dead before this she won't have a friend of any kind in Salem. Not even EJ will be on her side, Day's has made them both pariah's only difference is EJ actually has family that will back him, Nicole has no one. Eric will come back and try to help her and at every turn someone will call her a conniving bitch, whore, porn star, slut, etc, etc, etc
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Courtneya6688
Oct 11 2012, 02:19 PM
I think this episode clearly shows nicoles baby is dead with little to no loop holes for him to come back alive. As sad as it is az has been amazing and im sure will continue to be through this storyline. Im hoping her accusation that jen meant to push her doesnt last long. I want this to be a storyline that deeply affects nicole personally and it not all be a big lie. I think her coming clean and accepting the loss could be some much needed character growth. Nicole ha
Tomlin won't let it happen, Nicole has grown up until this pregancy she had alot of growth as a character and in the past year all that has been erased.
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I am READY!!

six
Oct 11 2012, 01:46 PM
lysie
Oct 11 2012, 01:29 PM
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Kristen - Chad. What kind of a name is Chad

I love her.



Meanwhile, I don't want to get into an abortion debate, but can you actually be arrested for murder of an unborn child? They should have made it assault or something.

Jennifer has been arrested twice this year.
Yes in some places.

ETA: Here's the page I found when I was wondering about this, but then I'm not a lawyer and don't know if there are loopholes I missed when I scanned the page.


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leela46
Oct 11 2012, 01:46 PM
lysie
Oct 11 2012, 01:29 PM
Quote:
 
Kristen - Chad. What kind of a name is Chad

I love her.



Meanwhile, I don't want to get into an abortion debate, but can you actually be arrested for murder of an unborn child? They should have made it assault or something.

Jennifer has been arrested twice this year.
Maybe it depends on the state where the crime happened. I do know that Scott Peterson was convicted of murdering both his wife Laci and their unborn son. So yes you can be charged and convicted with killing an unborn child.

This episode sound so sad.


Yeah, but the state has to make a legislative change to their laws to make that happen. Feticide don't automatically fall into the murder category because they aren't "persons" under the law and it's a violation of someone's rights for adequate notice of the law. Let's hope Justin actually mentions that. Please soap writers, don't make me go crazy over this. All I need is one line: "In Salem, the killing of a fetus is a felony/murder" or at least mention the Unborn Victims of Violence Act.
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Cherianne


nolagirl
Oct 11 2012, 02:01 PM
Let's see if I can predict Tom/Sell - Caroline's alzheimer storyline will help get Jennifer free when Caroline has a moment of clarity and tells what she heard.

The only thing Caroline could say is that she saw and heard Jennifer screaming at Nicole in a threatening way. (I can't remember Jennifer's exact words, but they certainly wouldn't be in ANY way exonerating .) She even told Jennifer to come with her to the pub and she'd give her tea with a shot of rum, presumably to calm her down from her rage.

I wish no one would believe her that she didn't push Nicole. I can't stand the way she treated Jack and is now totally ignoring the fact that she is supposed to be grieving him. I can't stand her obsessing over Daniel instead of Jack's loss. I just plain can't stand her at ALL anymore. IF they brought MA back and wrote something that worked getting them back together and Jenn becoming herself again, I could go for it. Otherwise, she isn't even recognizable as Jennifer Rose Horton.
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lysie
Oct 11 2012, 01:29 PM
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Kristen - Chad. What kind of a name is Chad

I love her.



Meanwhile, I don't want to get into an abortion debate, but can you actually be arrested for murder of an unborn child? They should have made it assault or something.

Jennifer has been arrested twice this year.
Yes, a few cases have made national news. Usually someone kills pregnant mom too. And then they are charged with two counts of murder.
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Oct 11 2012, 02:10 PM
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Cam says good. I got him. Silence. Nicole - Why is everyone so quiet? Cam - The baby was unresponsive. I'm so sorry. He must have suffered a trauma during the fall. There's nothing we can do.


Aren't they supposed to try and resusitate the baby? CPR? That's just weird that they immediately pronounce him dead.

Poor Nicole. :'(
Yeah, that's a pretty big hole in the script. I guess the writers forgot that only Nicole knows that the baby died during the pregnancy.

And, yeah, one can't get arrested for causing a death of a fetus.

Edit: Actually, you can, as the post above shows. But, I don't think one can get arrested for causing a miscarriage.
Edited by OliveAnn, Oct 11 2012, 02:27 PM.
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Cherianne


Losing a full term baby is not a miscarriage, it is a still birth. I think most states would call this some kind of manslaughter, not murder.
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I think it would be considered manslaughter but im not sure. Either way its nicoles word against jens. Billie and brady seen nicole fall but not jen push her so the case would hardly stand up in court
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Am I the only one reading the Kristen scenes? Lol. That's the only scenes I care enough about to read ahead of watching. Can't wait!! I still have nearly four hours till I can watch today's eppi. My only question....are they going to address the fact that everyone in Salem thinks she's dead?!?!?
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Oh please that baby will show up alive. Its a soap anything is possible. And Cameron will probably go dark....coincidence he is the one who delivered the baby??? Ummm I don't think so
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nolagirl
Oct 11 2012, 02:01 PM
Courtneya6688
Oct 11 2012, 01:39 PM
Ugh this sucks i cant believe they really killed this baby off. Nicole is going to break my heart tomorrow
^o) Let's see if I can predict Tom/Sell - Caroline's alzheimer storyline will help get Jennifer free when Caroline has a moment of clarity and tells what she heard. And as much as I hate to admit this Jennifer should be charged with manslaughter not murder, Murder means you premeditated the death, manslaughter means you accidently killed someone. Jeez I know it's a soap but stupid little things just irk me. So glad Tom/Sell killed a baby to give Dannifer their much needed angst.



:wow: IT is me or didn't Corday say a while back that there would be no more dead babies, or hurting of children for plot purposes, as usual a man of his word.

I think you're thinking about this:
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CORDAY: You know, he's not even here a year. In actuality, his stories did not start airing until last October, and then I let him basically run with the ball. So sometimes it's too much of a good thing. Letting the head writer have his reign is something you have to do, and then letting the head writer realize that we have to get out of story is also something that I have to do and he has to do...We don't have time now to experiment, to try things that in the past have been a tough sell. There are no-no's in daytime: Don't kill babies - we did that a year ago. Don't tell stories about people in mental institutions - we're doing that now. Try to keep people in town as opposed to "island stories" - doing that now. And don't put a lot of unfamiliar faces not only on the front burner, but as the hub of the story, the center of the wheel. So lesson learned, back to basics here.
So ISTM that he thinks telling dead baby stories is something Days can do, because they're not afraid of breaking the rules. ^o)

JamaicanBeauty7
Oct 11 2012, 02:23 PM
six
Oct 11 2012, 01:46 PM
lysie
Oct 11 2012, 01:29 PM
Quote:
 
Kristen - Chad. What kind of a name is Chad

I love her.



Meanwhile, I don't want to get into an abortion debate, but can you actually be arrested for murder of an unborn child? They should have made it assault or something.

Jennifer has been arrested twice this year.
Yes in some places.

ETA: Here's the page I found when I was wondering about this, but then I'm not a lawyer and don't know if there are loopholes I missed when I scanned the page.


link


leela46
Oct 11 2012, 01:46 PM
lysie
Oct 11 2012, 01:29 PM
Quote:
 
Kristen - Chad. What kind of a name is Chad

I love her.



Meanwhile, I don't want to get into an abortion debate, but can you actually be arrested for murder of an unborn child? They should have made it assault or something.

Jennifer has been arrested twice this year.
Maybe it depends on the state where the crime happened. I do know that Scott Peterson was convicted of murdering both his wife Laci and their unborn son. So yes you can be charged and convicted with killing an unborn child.

This episode sound so sad.


Yeah, but the state has to make a legislative change to their laws to make that happen. Feticide don't automatically fall into the murder category because they aren't "persons" under the law and it's a violation of someone's rights for adequate notice of the law. Let's hope Justin actually mentions that. Please soap writers, don't make me go crazy over this. All I need is one line: "In Salem, the killing of a fetus is a felony/murder" or at least mention the Unborn Victims of Violence Act.

Wouldn't those laws on the page count as a legislative change, though? Glad we have you here to share your expertise, JB. :)
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i can't wait to watch
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lysie
Oct 11 2012, 01:29 PM
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Kristen - Chad. What kind of a name is Chad

I love her.



Meanwhile, I don't want to get into an abortion debate, but can you actually be arrested for murder of an unborn child? They should have made it assault or something.

Jennifer has been arrested twice this year.
Assault and/or involuntary manslaughter. Intolerable as I find Jennifer these days, I'll concede she did not intend to harm the baby. Doesn't there have to be premeditation or malicious intent established before anyone can call it murder?
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