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Spoilers for the week of October 29th; *updated 10/23*
Topic Started: Oct 15 2012, 07:24 PM (48,195 Views)
Kenny
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Oct 23 2012, 08:42 AM
Kristen urges EJ to watch, wait and then pounce!
Seriously? Kristen goes to EJ with this big plan win back Sami and the plan is to do nothing?

These writers suck.
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Harmony233
Oct 23 2012, 10:52 AM
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Oct 23 2012, 10:43 AM
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Oct 23 2012, 10:21 AM
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Oct 23 2012, 09:51 AM

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That is why I'm HOPING (yeah right, I should know better with this show) that we aren't getting the full picture here. Maybe he sees something with Sonny and someone else and assumes the worse which can then explain his behavior toward Sonny? Likely that won't happen and this is just another case of this week he feels one way, next week he feels another way and the week after he'll feel something else. OR it's just a plot point to Lucas finding out in the end that Will is the user and not Sonny? Will used Gabi to get over his issues...it wasn't the other way around and we'll see Lucas come back to Sonny with his tail between his legs asking to be forgiving for assuming the worse.

I can get how Lucas might be weary of WilSon moving on to quickly. He initially expressed that concern and I wish they would have used that as the source of discomfort with Lucas. I think having Sonny, who's been openly gay and happy for a good amount of years now be the one that tries to get Will to open up and embrace who he is makes sense. It also makes sense for Lucas to assume that maybe Sonny is moving too quickly with Will also. But this user bullshit? Where is this coming from? Sonny is such a good kid that it's just a reason to paint Lucas in a negative light and make this be WilSon drama (as if they needed anything else after they get the Wabi news).

Sure it makes sense for Lucas being Kate's son to meddle and try to sabotage anything relationship wise for his kids but this is Lucas we are talking about. If he hadn't lived through his meddling mom ruining his relationships time and time again then I could understand it a bit more. Plus Kate in the beginning had very valid reasons to want Lucas to have nothing to do with Sami. She drugged and raped one of her sons, passed her kid as Austin's when it was Lucas' and then instead of having Lucas be part of the kids life she falsely accused him of child abuse to get rid of him. I think Kate in her nuttiness had very valid reasons for not wanting for Lucas to end up with Sami. Lucas has no reason to have Will not end up with Sonny UNLESS he sees something that makes him think that Sonny is only into Will for a purpose.
unless lucas will in more episodes that not mention in the spoilers

lucas only been on 3 episodes this months
8 oct -he give his blessing to wilson
today show with sami
and 29 oct show

so when he got idea sonny he is user

this not storyline for lucas with this lack of airtime he could easily instead anti wilson episode in more than one episode for being pro jennifer

i do not see them bother to give lucas real reasons
I'm not much of a jennifer fan these days but I have no clue why they didn't have lucas being there for Jennifer instead of being offscreen ecspecially when we know that nicole isn't lucas's fav person
Where was Jennifer's loyalty to Lucas when she got invloved with the man who had slepted with her brother's wife? Did she give a damn about how Lucas felt about Daniel? And that's another thing that makes it so irrating when she goes on and on about what a good man Daniel is. Bitch, the man slept with your brother's wife.
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nolagirl
Oct 23 2012, 11:04 AM
lumifan4life
Oct 23 2012, 09:04 AM
LonePirate
Oct 23 2012, 08:46 AM
Considering how often Kate meddled in the personal lives of her children, is anyone surprised that Lucas is doing the same thing with Will? I would have thought it weird if Lucas (or Sami) didn't try to sabotage the Will and Sonny relationship. I wonder if we will see that Lucas' concerns are rooted in a growing dislike of Sonny and not due to Sonny's gender. I don't mind that someone is generating friction for Will and Sonny; and the reason why is immaterial to me because Lucas' motivations and reasons will change again in a couple days. One day he is homophobic. The next day he is understanding. It's nothing but one sustained yo-yo trick with Lucas' characterization. I'm not going to get too worked up about it as we all know Lucas is going to be supportive in the end and Will/Sonny are going to overcome his interference.
I see it as Lucas being a protective father. Sure maybe the diehard WilSon fans will hate him for it. It's expected and I don't have a problem with it. Lumi fans felt the same way about Kate for years. The way I see it, if this was Lucas's daughter, would people see him as being thrown under the bus? He'd be seen as an overly protective dad of his little girl. Why should things be any different just cause Will is a boy? I find it refreshing that the show is ignoring stereotypes here and is having Lucas be just as protective over his son's sex life as he would be if it was his daughter instead. Also history shows that Lucas had a problem with Will's girlfriend Mia in the past as well. That itself proves that Lucas is always going to have a problem with Will's love interests. So this does not surprise me at all.

Lucas is not perfect and I don't understand why people want him to be. He's Kate's son afterall, meddling is in his dna. He used to be a schemer. He was never perfect, in fact he was far from it. Will is his little boy, always has been, he raised him, it makes sense, lol. As someone who always loved and appreciated the character of Lucas for the extremely flawed person he is, this doesn't bother me at all. If he was more like say...perfect Rafe sent from the heavens, then I'd be rolling my eyes.
I get and like some of what you're sayiung I think the problem that most Lucas (BD) fans have is that Sami who was always the bad parent jumping into issues at Will's school and acting the ass that Sami is, first ran from the problem then whiplash she's now perfectly fine with it all. (Or maybe doesn't give a rats ass because she has other things going on in her life like her merry go round of men.)

On the other hand Lucas was always the level headed one with Will, if anything and charcters stayed true to who they are, Sami would be spitting bullets and Lucas would be rolling his eyes at her as always. I don't like the dynamic they've changed between Will and Lucas, Will has recently shown that he has animosity with Lucas and has sided with Rafe over his father, and even EJ whom he shot in the head and dad Lucas took the fall. I'd like to see that part of their relationship restored to what it has always been.

On the flip side, hell if it gives Lucas airtime, I guess I'd rather that than nothing. :shrug:
THat does bug me I mean even before the Wilsion stuff Will hasn't shown any gratuide to his father for taking the rap for him ect
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Oct 23 2012, 11:20 AM
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Oct 23 2012, 10:52 AM
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Oct 23 2012, 10:43 AM
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Oct 23 2012, 10:21 AM

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unless lucas will in more episodes that not mention in the spoilers

lucas only been on 3 episodes this months
8 oct -he give his blessing to wilson
today show with sami
and 29 oct show

so when he got idea sonny he is user

this not storyline for lucas with this lack of airtime he could easily instead anti wilson episode in more than one episode for being pro jennifer

i do not see them bother to give lucas real reasons
I'm not much of a jennifer fan these days but I have no clue why they didn't have lucas being there for Jennifer instead of being offscreen ecspecially when we know that nicole isn't lucas's fav person
Where was Jennifer's loyalty to Lucas when she got invloved with the man who had slepted with her brother's wife? Did she give a damn about how Lucas felt about Daniel? And that's another thing that makes it so irrating when she goes on and on about what a good man Daniel is. Bitch, the man slept with your brother's wife.
Well Jennifer wasn't on screen when that happened BUT I totally agree, Jennifer seems to want to blame all on Chloe and not remember Daniel went after her while she was married to her brother. BUT I guess in Jennifer's mind Chloe is the evil bitch from hell and Daniel and Lucas where her victims. Jennifer herself has no idea of what the word loyalty is since she was clueless about her husband and who he was before he came back to Salem and she started her fling with Daniel so I guess after his death should just be par for her course.
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Oct 23 2012, 08:57 AM
I've never liked TomSell's characterizations or couples, but they at least used to bring the drama. Now they seem to do neither well.
The lack of story is what bothers me. We've got characters floating all over town, having conversations and snarking at each other but I see very few actual stories. I don't know if it's because the writers just aren't creative enough or if it's because Corday is fucking things up again, but they need to figure it out because this do-nothing "my plan is that I have no plan" version of Kristen is not something I will accept. She's a villain, damn it. Write her like one!
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Harmony233
Oct 23 2012, 11:25 AM
nolagirl
Oct 23 2012, 11:04 AM
lumifan4life
Oct 23 2012, 09:04 AM
LonePirate
Oct 23 2012, 08:46 AM
Considering how often Kate meddled in the personal lives of her children, is anyone surprised that Lucas is doing the same thing with Will? I would have thought it weird if Lucas (or Sami) didn't try to sabotage the Will and Sonny relationship. I wonder if we will see that Lucas' concerns are rooted in a growing dislike of Sonny and not due to Sonny's gender. I don't mind that someone is generating friction for Will and Sonny; and the reason why is immaterial to me because Lucas' motivations and reasons will change again in a couple days. One day he is homophobic. The next day he is understanding. It's nothing but one sustained yo-yo trick with Lucas' characterization. I'm not going to get too worked up about it as we all know Lucas is going to be supportive in the end and Will/Sonny are going to overcome his interference.
I see it as Lucas being a protective father. Sure maybe the diehard WilSon fans will hate him for it. It's expected and I don't have a problem with it. Lumi fans felt the same way about Kate for years. The way I see it, if this was Lucas's daughter, would people see him as being thrown under the bus? He'd be seen as an overly protective dad of his little girl. Why should things be any different just cause Will is a boy? I find it refreshing that the show is ignoring stereotypes here and is having Lucas be just as protective over his son's sex life as he would be if it was his daughter instead. Also history shows that Lucas had a problem with Will's girlfriend Mia in the past as well. That itself proves that Lucas is always going to have a problem with Will's love interests. So this does not surprise me at all.

Lucas is not perfect and I don't understand why people want him to be. He's Kate's son afterall, meddling is in his dna. He used to be a schemer. He was never perfect, in fact he was far from it. Will is his little boy, always has been, he raised him, it makes sense, lol. As someone who always loved and appreciated the character of Lucas for the extremely flawed person he is, this doesn't bother me at all. If he was more like say...perfect Rafe sent from the heavens, then I'd be rolling my eyes.
I get and like some of what you're sayiung I think the problem that most Lucas (BD) fans have is that Sami who was always the bad parent jumping into issues at Will's school and acting the ass that Sami is, first ran from the problem then whiplash she's now perfectly fine with it all. (Or maybe doesn't give a rats ass because she has other things going on in her life like her merry go round of men.)

On the other hand Lucas was always the level headed one with Will, if anything and charcters stayed true to who they are, Sami would be spitting bullets and Lucas would be rolling his eyes at her as always. I don't like the dynamic they've changed between Will and Lucas, Will has recently shown that he has animosity with Lucas and has sided with Rafe over his father, and even EJ whom he shot in the head and dad Lucas took the fall. I'd like to see that part of their relationship restored to what it has always been.

On the flip side, hell if it gives Lucas airtime, I guess I'd rather that than nothing. :shrug:
THat does bug me I mean even before the Wilsion stuff Will hasn't shown any gratuide to his father for taking the rap for him ect
I personally can't get behind the Wilson pairing at this point not because I have a problem with the storyline other than the only person in Salem portrayed to have a problem is Lucas. BUT more because I think Will is a disloyal piece of shit, look at the Daysaster Sami was back with his father and HE knew it, yet still helped her go on the run with EJ (a man he hated at one time and who his father took the blame for shooting). And then showed very little emotion or empathy for Lucas being hurt by his mother yet again for other men.

Sorry until Will is fixed on these facts I can't even watch the little shit, Sonny deserves better. If anything I could have better been behind Arienne/Justin looking at Will's parents and having the problem. They know all too well all of Sami's schemes, all her men in and out of her children's lives, and Lucas drinking problems as well as going to prison for shooting a man (they don't even know Will was really the shooter). So looking at these facts the wrong parents are having the problem, Oh but I forget Will goes to Marlena and Carrie and Austin had him for years. And then there's another act of disloyalty from Will, he lived with Caustin for years and had no problem with Rafe and Carrie. He again should have shown some sense of loyalty towards Austin.
Edited by nolagirl, Oct 23 2012, 11:35 AM.
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About ready to start calling the comment line myself with this crap getting worse week by week. I tried watching live yesterday after a couple weeks of not watching at all and it was like torture for the most part.
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nolagirl
Oct 23 2012, 11:34 AM
Harmony233
Oct 23 2012, 11:25 AM
nolagirl
Oct 23 2012, 11:04 AM
lumifan4life
Oct 23 2012, 09:04 AM

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I get and like some of what you're sayiung I think the problem that most Lucas (BD) fans have is that Sami who was always the bad parent jumping into issues at Will's school and acting the ass that Sami is, first ran from the problem then whiplash she's now perfectly fine with it all. (Or maybe doesn't give a rats ass because she has other things going on in her life like her merry go round of men.)

On the other hand Lucas was always the level headed one with Will, if anything and charcters stayed true to who they are, Sami would be spitting bullets and Lucas would be rolling his eyes at her as always. I don't like the dynamic they've changed between Will and Lucas, Will has recently shown that he has animosity with Lucas and has sided with Rafe over his father, and even EJ whom he shot in the head and dad Lucas took the fall. I'd like to see that part of their relationship restored to what it has always been.

On the flip side, hell if it gives Lucas airtime, I guess I'd rather that than nothing. :shrug:
THat does bug me I mean even before the Wilsion stuff Will hasn't shown any gratuide to his father for taking the rap for him ect
I personally can't get behind the Wilson pairing at this point not because I have a problem with the storyline other than the only person in Salem portrayed to have a problem is Lucas. BUT more because I think Will is a disloyal piece of shit, look at the Daysaster Sami was back with his father and HE knew it, yet still helped her go on the run with EJ (a man he hated at one time and who his father took the blame for shooting). And then showed very little emotion or empathy for Lucas being hurt by his mother yet again for other men.

Sorry until Will is fixed on these facts I can't even watch the little shit, Sonny deserves better. If anything I could have better been behind Arienne/Justin looking at Will's parents and having the problem. They know all too well all of Sami's schemes, all her men in and out of her children's lives, and Lucas drinking problems as well as going to prison for shooting a man (they don't even know Will was really the shooter). So looking at these facts the wrong parents are having the problem, Oh but I forget Will goes to Marlena and Carrie and Austin had him for years. And then there's another act of disloyalty from Will, he lived with Caustin for years and had no problem with Rafe and Carrie. He again should have shown some sense of loyalty towards Austin.
IA adrienne/JUstin having problems with Will makes more sense than lucas having problems with sonny
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So Lucas supported WilSon when he was being written by MarDar, but now he is suddenly against it under TomSell. Character destruction, anyone?
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:headbang: seriously, this is their plan for November sweeps?? sweeps are supposed to make you want to tune in not tune out :frustration: and what's with that spoiler about Marlena? Since when is she seeing a therapist??
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I am not understanding Lucas last week he said that Sonny is a good kid but now he's a user, what! Where did that come from and why is Kate telling Will to go slow. He already told her he was going to go slow, why is everyone involved in these grown men business. I know they are his family but, man.
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Oct 23 2012, 01:14 PM
:headbang: seriously, this is their plan for November sweeps?? sweeps are supposed to make you want to tune in not tune out :frustration: and what's with that spoiler about Marlena? Since when is she seeing a therapist??

They probably meant Kristen was thinking about seeing Marlena as a therapist. More then likely to get under her skin. LOL, thats might guess.
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DocandJohn4ever
Oct 23 2012, 01:14 PM
:headbang: seriously, this is their plan for November sweeps?? sweeps are supposed to make you want to tune in not tune out :frustration: and what's with that spoiler about Marlena? Since when is she seeing a therapist??
Marlena seeing a therapist makes no sense.
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Please write 4 Bryan Dattilo, Give him a love interest.

shit this discussion is better then the show. Tomsell need to take lessons from ya'll! I mean, do these fuckers even read the message boards and know what the fans are saying? :soda: :popcorn: :pizza:
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Oct 23 2012, 01:43 PM
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Oct 23 2012, 01:14 PM
:headbang: seriously, this is their plan for November sweeps?? sweeps are supposed to make you want to tune in not tune out :frustration: and what's with that spoiler about Marlena? Since when is she seeing a therapist??
Marlena seeing a therapist makes no sense.
I don't know, if John was constantly assaulting me with his mouth like that I'd probably need to talk it out.
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#SorryNotSorry

They probably should have built up to it before, but I sort of love the conflict of Kristen trying to prove she's changed by stepping all over Marlena's boundaries.

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Oct 23 2012, 01:42 AM
I can't believe I missed the #Kaybe spoiler. ;)
Granolagirl that avatar is all kinds of awesome.


Thanks, I'm having a classic rock phase. :D
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Bo should really alert Caroline's doctors about her obsession for seeing Sami with Rafe.

As if the Nicole story weren't lame enough already, now we have to watch people almost find a "twosie"? :shame: Although, maybe I'm wrong and we'll be discussing the twosie reveal for years to come. :drunk:

Kristen needs to tell EJ to move on. Enough is enough.

WTH is Lucas's problem? Although he was wrong before, at least his issues were understandable.
Edited by six, Oct 23 2012, 02:00 PM.
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Oct 23 2012, 01:45 PM
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Oct 23 2012, 01:43 PM
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Oct 23 2012, 01:14 PM
:headbang: seriously, this is their plan for November sweeps?? sweeps are supposed to make you want to tune in not tune out :frustration: and what's with that spoiler about Marlena? Since when is she seeing a therapist??
Marlena seeing a therapist makes no sense.
I don't know, if John was constantly assaulting me with his mouth like that I'd probably need to talk it out.
Krislena and Kate should start a support group.
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DocandJohn4ever
Oct 23 2012, 01:14 PM
:headbang: seriously, this is their plan for November sweeps?? sweeps are supposed to make you want to tune in not tune out :frustration: and what's with that spoiler about Marlena? Since when is she seeing a therapist??
A lot of psychiatrists see other therapists. It's a stressful, hard profession.
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Come on Ron, We are counting on YOU !!

am103
Oct 23 2012, 12:08 PM
So Lucas supported WilSon when he was being written by MarDar, but now he is suddenly against it under TomSell. Character destruction, anyone?
I don't even know if they realized that TomSell wrote the scene last week (or week before) where Lucas called himself an ass and apologized to both Will and Sonny about his behavior. So I am more inclined to think it's more plot point writing than anything else. With what we know might be coming down the pike in regards to Wabi's sexcapade, then I'm leaning toward this is all being done for plot purposes and nothing else.
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