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| Wednesday, October 17th Daily Discussion | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 16 2012, 01:09 PM (8,502 Views) | |
| concerned | Oct 16 2012, 09:31 PM Post #41 |
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Root all you like - it will come to nothing. There's not a chance in hell that Rafe will suffer under the current dominion. (and that's entirely the problem - everything is far too predictable and biased). |
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| lysie | Oct 16 2012, 09:39 PM Post #42 |
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Rooting for anyone comes to nothing. On this show, no one wins and no one loses because nothing ever happens. I read about biased writing all the time, and quite frankly, I don't know what that's supposed to mean and I don't know how even a competent writer (which we obviously don't have) would even avoid the claim. I actually think that TomSell, by having nothing ever actually happen and no one ever actually win something real or lose, probably avoids it as well as anyone could. Was JER biased against Kristen in the 90s? In the 80s were they biased against Stefano? And in those stories, things happened and people actually lost something. |
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| annie21 | Oct 16 2012, 11:20 PM Post #43 |
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I agree with your point that TomSell seem to aim toward having nothing happen of any consequence. But I would say that, imo, Tomlin is biased against Jack (and maybe Matt Ashford), given how quickly he killed him off upon returning (and how it's been reported he'd planned to kill him off last year, too). Both MR and MA have talked about Reilly's bias against Jack. So I think it does happen. And I do think writers have their favorites, too. As for biased writing, what I don't like is when I am made too aware of the writer's point of view. When I can feel the writer operating in a scene, it bugs me. I should be able to focus on the characters and the story, but too often the writer's agenda is so obvious that I am taken out of the moment. Reilly did that. To him, characters were marionettes for him to manipulate and arrange. But I was too aware of the strings and of the puppeteer to be able to enjoy his scenes. Even in love scenes, it was like Reilly was right there in bed with them (a real nuisance, btw ;)). To me, plot-driven writing is biased writing. The writer is so busy pushing through his/her plot that everything else is subservient to that -- character motivation, history, common sense, logic -- everything. And when I have to constantly deal with questioning why a character did something or why the character is so dumb/blind/illogical, I am reminded that it is the writer pulling those strings and making those choices for his/her own personal reasons. Irritating. Seriously, I go back and watch the older Days stuff, and I don't get that. I'm not constantly confronted by the writer's POV. I can forget the writer's presence and concentrate on the story (and sometimes, on those rare moments when the actors are really, really good, I can also forget they're playing a part if the writing is really, really good, too.) Good writers have biases, too. But the best ones are able to write such strong, compelling stories with vibrant characters that we willingly are drawn in; and we're not being hit over the head with their "presence." ETA: I do think it's possible that TomSell are capable of better writing than we're getting. So I'm puzzled as to why they are choosing to churn out low-quality, shallow, garbage on a seemingly endless loop that goes nowhere. Edited by annie21, Oct 16 2012, 11:31 PM.
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| bomber | Oct 16 2012, 11:27 PM Post #44 |
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I think the writer bias is another drawback of the 3 months advance taping. In previous years the writers could try different storylines/pairings and guage audience reaction and change tack if necessary. Now they tape so far in advance that the story is signed, sealed and delivered before they get any feedback. Of course this doesn't explain why Tomsell would go back to scenarios that weren't popular a year ago but some things just defy reason. |
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| The Scorpion | Oct 17 2012, 01:45 AM Post #45 |
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Omg, James deliver big time in these scenes! EJ and Nicole was heart breaking today! There is a difference in the quality of the actors and in this episiod it is so evident that James is playing in a completely different league than GG! Safe is pathetic and don't want see EJ as a prop for this boring duo enough is enough! I must say that TomSell has given very good writing to the character EJ in the last episiode and dialogue has been topnotch! |
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| andromeda | Oct 17 2012, 03:59 AM Post #46 |
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I wish there was more for J&M. A love scene would have been nice. |
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| lysie | Oct 17 2012, 10:10 AM Post #47 |
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But are they automatically biased against any character they kill off? Bad things are going to happen to characters. That's not bias. That's a soap. I see what you're saying but I don't think "bias" is the right word. I think "opposite of my preference" is more appropriate. With this regime I don't think it matters anyway. It's not like their so called chosen ones are getting stellar writing and amazing stories either. |
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| nolagirl | Oct 17 2012, 11:02 AM Post #48 |
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LOL - I agree don't see any storylines that are gripping anyone to the TV, but there is favoritism to some characters/actors. I do wish they'd go back to the way they used to do and give a more even showing of all characters for too many yeas it seems the show centers around one actress and her lovelife. Everyone else seems to be wallpaper for her. |
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| nolagirl | Oct 17 2012, 11:07 AM Post #49 |
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You know when I really realized that JS played EJ perfectly in this eppisode is when I truly couldn't tell his motivation. He's got me guessing as to what EJ truly wants at this point is it revenge on Rafe?? Is it to get Sami back?? Does he truly care about Nicole at all??? JS played EJ very grey in these scenes you could feel his pain but don't know what he's going to do next (well besides what we already know and that's go blow Rafe out the water). This will at least keep me reading the Day's ahead still not good enough for me to watch regularly. ^o) |
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| annie21 | Oct 17 2012, 11:28 AM Post #50 |
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There are too many variables to make a direct and "automatic" correlation between bias and killing off a character. For example, sometimes actors want to leave and their characters are thus killed off. Other times, it is about story. For example, when MarDar killed off Stefano this time, I didn't think it was because of bias against Stefano, but rather they saw some good story possibilities coming out of it (and I believe they always intended to bring him back). However, at other times, it does seem to be writers' personal preferences are at the forefront. Much of TomSell's reversal of MarDar's stuff just seems like pure bias to me. Yes, I would have preferred they not killed off Jack. But regardless of my preference, it seems like Tomlin just didn't want to write for him or have him on the canvas. In the case of Nicole's baby, I don't have a preference. But it does look like the only reason that baby died (as opposed to some other scenario) is because MarDar created it and Tomlin/Tomsell were hellbent on wiping out as much of MarDar's work as they were allowed. There are other biases at work here, in my view. Sometimes, it's other behind-the-scenes powers promoting their own favorites (and kicking out others) for various reasons. Maybe the word "bias" is problematic for the reasons you mention -- it's in the eye of the beholder. But your point about how the chosen ones aren't getting stellar writing either is directly related to bias in my view. If the writer decides that a certain character is going to be heroic no matter the circumstances, then that's a clear bias that means the writing will be skewed and the story will suffer. Maybe "blind spot" is a better term? These writers just don't seem to be able to see (or care) that they are actually not doing their favorites or the show any favors by churning out this shallow garbage. |
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| Dreamer | Oct 17 2012, 12:37 PM Post #51 |
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Gone, But Not Forgotten!
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Sami and Rafe getting hot and heavy on the sofa. When is the last time we saw their bedroom? Do they even have one? Everytime they have sex it is always on the sofa? WTF is it with these writers and set designers? Lazy bastards if you ask me. |
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| Mitchapalooza | Oct 17 2012, 01:07 PM Post #52 |
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The EJOLE scenes were not heartbreaking at ALL IMO because EJ was USING Nicole's grief the ENTIRE time as ammunition to split up SAFE so he can have solo (yah right) claims to Sami's nasty vagina...end of story! There was NOTHING about the EJOLE scenes that in ANYWAY were heartbreaking or touching or lead me to believe that EJ gives a fuck about Nicole and what she is going through OR for the loss of his own son...he was mor concerned with telling Sami the truth and getting revenge on Rafe...disgusting! I know EJOLE fans are looking for even the slightest crumb...but this certainly was not it IMO. And just for the record I am not a EJAMI or SAFE fan...the only pairing I liked was EJOLE, but that was before EJ turned into a Grade A piece of trash and Nicole into a desperate Daniel/Rafe worshipper. Edited by Mitchapalooza, Oct 17 2012, 01:10 PM.
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| Deleted User | Oct 17 2012, 01:23 PM Post #53 |
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Call me horrible but I actually enjoyed the Ejole scenes. :peek: I feel like James and Ari add so much more to their scenes then what's written on their script and they did a beautiful job with it. :wub: Their last bonding scene was very similar to this one, so I didn't have a problem with it. Though I'll never understand the tptb for not writing for THEM. What a waste. :shame: |
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| Ireland98 | Oct 17 2012, 01:26 PM Post #54 |
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Even though the insta SAFE reunion or the fact that Rafe continued to lie to Sami about Nicole's paternity doesn't make much sense, the great acting by JS made those scenes worth watching. JS' acting can help salvage shitty writing. The same for AZ.
Edited by Ireland98, Oct 17 2012, 01:29 PM.
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| Courtneya6688 | Oct 17 2012, 01:39 PM Post #55 |
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I actually thought the ejole scenes were pretty powerful and emotional. I hated that ej used the recording but i felt his grief and his heartbreak was sincere. I also loved brady coming to nicole in the end nicole needs a true friend and to just let dr. Douche go screw snow white |
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| Hamilton | Oct 17 2012, 01:48 PM Post #56 |
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I've been really impressed with the material given to Peter in this Alzheimers story especially the last two days. It's so poignant. I'll take this moving topic and his touches of raw emotion over running around town finding ridiculous clues in broken plaques any day. TomlSell are delivering heart, soul and family here and not gimmicks. I'm glad Nicole came clean with Ej even if she was in a drugged state and not totally aware of her confession. I want this mess cleaned up. I'm glad Rafe was called out too. None of this story fit these characters and thankfully the time has come to wash it away. I'm all for a quick wrap-up rather than dragging it out further with revenge retribution. I think we could all use a 'fresh start' for these characters. Now things are starting to move! Here comes Kristen! Love the flashbacks establishing the previous connection. Love that Marlena and John were having champagne and so was Kristen. I'll toast to trouble brewing! The dream with Kristen in John's bed - devilishly delightful! |
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| concerned | Oct 17 2012, 03:05 PM Post #57 |
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They're in bed together tomorrow. |
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| concerned | Oct 17 2012, 03:18 PM Post #58 |
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I for one am getting a bit sick of JS and his obscure acting choices. I want to know what EJ's motivation is. The writing seems to swing one way and he swings another. I was surprised by AS yesterday there was a softness, empathy and understanding which is usually missing from her scenes. |
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| camera shy | Oct 17 2012, 03:21 PM Post #59 |
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I was really surprised today when Maggie said something about Jennifer spreading Jack's ashes. Did they mention anything about her doing that after his death? I thought they had never recovered his body. |
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| esp13 | Oct 17 2012, 03:43 PM Post #60 |
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Yes, they talked about it. Jen, Abby, JJ, Kayla, Steve (and presumably Adrienne and Jo) went to Big Sur to spread Jack's ashes. |
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