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| Thursday, October 18th Daily Discussion | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 17 2012, 01:16 PM (10,631 Views) | |
| Hamilton | Oct 18 2012, 04:31 PM Post #101 |
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It really made no sense to have Rafe just stand there mute while Ej went off on him. The things Ej was spouting in his superior way fell flat considering the source. Sami had every right to be crushed for believing Rafe and finding out her trust was misplaced. I thought it weird that Rafe didn't plead his case to Sami driving home the ills he had first hand knowledge of at Ej's hand and how he wouldn't let another child be a victim. He could have admitted that part of his motivation was revenge for all that Ej had destroyed for him personally. Then he could have reminded her that she always slipped back into conveniently forgetting these transgressions on Ej's part claiming 'he's changed'. He could have admitted that he didn't want to take the risk confiding in her when a baby was involved. Instead we had really had nothing of substance from him. Weird. I don't mind that Sami had the opportunity to call him out. She should. That was good dialogue and made sense from a Sami point of view - she's always skewed in her thinking. I thought overall the whole reveal was lacking in any real intensity because their should have been more back and forth in the arguing. Rafe was in the wrong for being untruthful while wanting to pursue a new relationship with Sami, but Sami should have been called on her weaknesses or whatever it was that really kept Rafe from confiding in her. Well anyway, here's hoping instead of dragging out MarDar's mess of a horribly uncreative story Tomlin will finally put it to rest. Thank God it didn't spiral into a baby-switch catastrophe before they got the boot. |
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| SocRMum1 | Oct 18 2012, 04:46 PM Post #102 |
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.
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Given GG's lack of effort (or ability?) to put anything of substance into the scenes they wrote I'd say the writers made a wise choice in not trying to give him anything more. It was painful enough as it was. |
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| LanaluvsBroe | Oct 18 2012, 04:51 PM Post #103 |
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What did you expect from that talentless hack? Edited by LanaluvsBroe, Oct 18 2012, 04:51 PM.
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| LanaluvsBroe | Oct 18 2012, 04:57 PM Post #104 |
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Some notes about today's show: Love Caroline and Victor. :wub: That was one awkward hug between Bo and Victor. John was stiff as a board. Loved Kristen and EJ. Though I have to say EJ's initial reaction to seeing his "mother" was a bit odd. I would have thought he would have been more welcoming or relieved to see her. But he had that 'what the hell are you doing her' tone. Strange. Did no one notice when they were filming this episode that Ali's nips showing right through that dress? I could understand why but I really didn't need to see that. Edited by LanaluvsBroe, Oct 18 2012, 04:57 PM.
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| granolagirl | Oct 18 2012, 05:04 PM Post #105 |
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#SorryNotSorry
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I'm pinching myself, but I am really loving the show these last two weeks. IDK what happened. |
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| blueskies | Oct 18 2012, 07:19 PM Post #106 |
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I'm betting we find out Kristen was posing as Susan and she actually raised EJ, jmho. Also I bet Stefano offered Kristen Ej's baby to get her back in Salem. Oh I soooo hope!!! |
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| Vicky4Mimi | Oct 18 2012, 11:10 PM Post #107 |
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^^I have always thought/hoped that Kristen will be in on the notdeadbaby mess. |
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| peaches179 | Oct 18 2012, 11:23 PM Post #108 |
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I agree. I thought that was pretty strange as well. I mean, he could have at least acted surprise to see her. |
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| Tina227 | Oct 18 2012, 11:47 PM Post #109 |
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I'm glad that Sami told Rafe off, because everything she said to him was true. The issue was that Rafe lied to her after he promised to forgive her and not keep secrets from each other anymore. HE made her feel like crap for saying that he wasn't the father of Nicole's baby, and kept saying he was the father. Sami is upset because he made it look like she was the devil for keeping a secret, and it was alright for him to do it. Rafe took no responsibility, and blamed it on everyone else. We all know NIcole didn't come up with the lie he did so he pushed her under the bus. Then he said he lied because EJ would've taken the child away from Nicole which is another lie, becaue EJ wasn't going to do that until they tried to keep him from his child. We all know if Sami did that to Rafe he would kick her to the curb, and she is supposed to be the one to suck it up. Rafe was supposed to be this honest trustworthy guy, and Sami's rose colored glasses were finally broken today and I am happy. Rafe is a jerk, and he proved it in the way he acted on today's show. Sami said she understood why they lied, but Rafe didn't have to keep saying that the baby was his after the baby died. Sami is upset because Rafe didn't trust her, and she really tried to make it work this time around. Sami isn't perfect, but she did try to make up for hurting him, and made her feel like she was the one in the wrong about his lies. Rafe did tell Carrie the truth, and lets be honest there are some people that get under your skin, and Rafe knows how Sami feels about Carrie and NIcole. So lets be honest if someone did this crap to you would you let it go or be upset? Put yourself in her shoes and how would you react to Rafe in this situation? |
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| Courtneya6688 | Oct 18 2012, 11:54 PM Post #110 |
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First off johns shirt or hoodie or whatever it was is hideous almost as much as kristens outfit. The victor caroline stuff was really sweet. And i think bo is so sweet to take such good care of his ma. I thought kristen and ej had great chemistry and cant wait to see more of them. Sami had all rights to be mad at rafe but im rather pissed that rafe made it out to be all nicole when we all know this was his great idea from the begining |
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| Aimikins | Oct 19 2012, 12:08 AM Post #111 |
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The whole Ej, Sami, Rafe argument would make sense more so if Rafe really WAS the father and lied about it. Its pretty asinine to get mad at Rafe the way Sami is when all he was doing was from protecting Nicole's baby from EJ considering she was willing to protect the baby herself last week with Rafe......stupid |
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| Vicky4Mimi | Oct 19 2012, 12:26 AM Post #112 |
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Ej has been making plans with Justin to take the baby away from Nicole. So yes he was planning to do that, just as Nicole and Rafe said he would. They were 100% in the right to hide the baby from him. If I was in Sami's shoes I would be hurt, at first. Then I would realize that it's actually a good thing to know that he hasn't slept with Nicole and they weren't having a baby together. He told her months ago that he hadn't slept with Nicole, and he wasn't lying then so that again, is a good thing. Putting myself in Sami's shoes would also mean that EJ wouldn't have made it past my front door to get in and tattle (like a 5 year old) on Rafe. The door would be slamed in the face of the #1 liar, baby kidnapper, husband kidnapper, clone maker...etc in Salem. IF he had been worthy of being Danny's father he would have stayed at the hospital to try and see his son instead of heading out to try and hurt Sami and Rafe. |
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| nickyj12345 | Oct 19 2012, 12:33 AM Post #113 |
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I thought that EJ and Kristen werefantastic. There was so much history during their whole interaction... Applause to whomever wrote today's episode. Rafe and Sami were pretty good today. I'm glad they made a "thing" out of Rafe telling Carrie about him not being the father. I'll always mourn that Cafe never came to fruition. I've so far only liked Rafe with Carrie. Galen and Christie played well off each other. Bo/Vic/Caroline was just charming. People are commenting on how stiff the hug between Bo and Vic was, but it should be. Vic was never really a father figure to Bo, and everytime he has tried to be, he's manipulated Bo in some way. Except for genetics, they have never really been father and son as much as Shawn and Bo were. I just loved that whole group together because we hardly ever seen Bo with his parents. John and Marlena were great today, but they never have enough screentime in my mind. Also, did Drake not look delicious shirtless? That man's body is always banging (and he's like... 30+ years older than me, so I feel creepy saying this.) Did he shave his chest? That's all I have. |
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| gailwinters | Oct 19 2012, 06:59 AM Post #114 |
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After Nicole told EJ she would be with him and they could raise the baby together if he would leave Salem, any case she could make for not wanting EJ to know about the baby was rendered moot. She certainly thought he was "worthy" to be the baby's parent then. Plain and simple, she wanted him away from Sami. Her jealousy was the driving factor in not telling him the truth. Rafe's motives are not entirely pristine either. However, Gering acknowledges that the desire for revenge is mixed in there too. "Rafe can't stand what EJ has done to him, so keeping this child is a big step in settling the score between them." I understand Rafe's desire for revenge, but he needs to stop pretending that it was all about protecting an innocent child. There are very few men on the planet who, faced with the same situation that EJ was, would not react the same way, if they wanted the child in their life, and EJ obviously does. |
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| lysie | Oct 19 2012, 07:04 AM Post #115 |
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I'm finding the show infinitely more watchable since I just started ignoring Rafe, Sami, EJ, and Nicole. I ended up briefly stuck with EJ because of Kristen but at least that was something different. I liked what I did watch but the time continuity was terrible. |
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| spartan | Oct 19 2012, 07:05 AM Post #116 |
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Uh, Rafe.....'for the record' Nicole really didn't live in fear of EJ her entire pregnancy. The girl wanted to run off with him to raise their baby. He wouldn't leave Salem for her. That doesn't scream "living in fear" to me. Nicole just didn't want to share because she was pissed and jealous and you just wanted to stick it to EJ....again. Oh and Galen's acting was glaringly pathetic in the reveal. He needed to have even lesser of a role than he did throughout that exchange. Bad move. Okay, I really got sad watching Victor and Caroline. That is who should have wound up together. I loved everything about those scenes. |
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| spartan | Oct 19 2012, 07:07 AM Post #117 |
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LOL! I didn't see your post when I started typing mine. I see we are both of the same mind calling BS on Rafe's arguments for the same, obvious reasons. ;) |
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| gailwinters | Oct 19 2012, 08:33 AM Post #118 |
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I call BS on Rafe's very existence! :P I agree with you about Victor and Caroline....those scenes were very moving. It's hard to believe the same writers are in charge of every story. Caroline's story, including Bo's scenes, has been so well written. |
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| SocRMum1 | Oct 19 2012, 09:13 AM Post #119 |
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.
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Nicole left EJ with no choice but to prepare to take legal action to prevent her from giving his child to another man. He knew they were lying all along - and Nicole's offer to reunite with him and raise the baby together IF he left Salem with her certainly sealed her motive for denying the baby was his. It was all about her jealousy of Sami. Rafe's insistence that EJ was a threat to the baby is asinine. Looking back, EJ and Sami never had issues co-parenting until Sami chose to hide the fact she was pregnant with EJ's baby from him. In fact, during the time that Sami was away in witness protection EJ worked hard to keep her foremost in Johnny's thoughts - insuring Johnny knew how much she loved him and wouldn't forget her during her absence. It was only after Sami opted to keep his daughter from him and Rafe conspired to try to adopt and raise her right under EJ's nose that EJ then retaliated with the Sydnapping. Was it a wise choice? No - definitely not. But up to that point EJ had always maintained a respectful co-parenting relationship with Sami, despite the fact they were not together romantically. He just had no idea she wasn't doing the same. Nicole knew all of this - she had a front row seat as it unfolded. So for her (and Rafe) to now claim EJ would have 'stolen' her baby from her is stupid. Nicole knew better than anyone that EJ never intended to do that with Johnny (before finding out Grace/Sydney was his) - she had no reason to believe EJ would have done it to her UNTIL she started lying and trying to prevent him from having a relationship with their child. She reaped what she sowed. |
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| camera shy | Oct 19 2012, 09:56 AM Post #120 |
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Actually, I wish Rafe had stood there and run down for Sami all the reasons why he wanted to get revenge on EJ while EJ was still in the room. Hmmmm.......lets where he could start......because he played a part in putting a ex-convict in my wife's bed and let her get raped night after night...... And then I wish he had said to Sami, "Do you remember that? Oh and make yourself comfortable EJ because this might take a while. But Sami I'll tell you one thing I do regret is not running it by Nicole first about letting you help us keep the baby away from EJ. I should have at least checked with Nicole first on that......now where was I?" But this show doesn't have the common sense to hit every angle which would have made for a more interesting scene. |
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