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Spoilers for the week of November 5th; *updated 10/30*
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Topic Started: Oct 19 2012, 01:33 PM (36,881 Views)
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Oct 24 2012, 06:23 PM
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- Oct 24 2012, 08:32 AM
- lysie
- Oct 23 2012, 04:33 PM
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- Oct 23 2012, 04:21 PM
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- Oct 23 2012, 04:01 PM
Jennifer is getting slack because she has friends and family. Nicole doesn't. That's always going to be an issue for Nicole because the character just doesn't really have anyone in her corner. That's a huge mistake, IMO, but it is the way it is. It wouldn't make sense for Salem to turn on Jennifer. History and relationships matter and this is why Nicole always comes out on the bottom. That won't change until they give Nicole real ties to Salem and don't murder the ties immediately after establishing them.
And bargaining with Daniel isn't the kind of bargaining noted in the stages of grief.
Agreed on the Bargaining in grief BUT first we're talking soaps and second Nicole should truly only be in the first, that one alone can take months. Which could explain Jennifer acting the way she is she's still in Denial thinkng Jack's on a Walk about :blink: That's her and Orange Glow never broke up because Jack never came back. :shrug:
You don't actually go in order.
That was a joke and secondly I am all to familiar with the steps unfortuantely it's been 4 years for me and while they don't always go in order the first is definetely first. Shock and Denial are your basic first instincts it helps for self preservation, that and alot of medication. For me it took over a month for the Denial and the shock is still with me. Pain and guilt I live with each day since my son's death, Anger and bargaining can't say I've ever had those (well I guess that would depend on who you ask on the anger side), Depression I live with continualy, dout personally I'll ever make to the 5th. That's the reason (and yes I know it's a soap) but the sexcapade was disgusting writing about how a parent feels when they think their child died. Hope showed a better/beleivable side when Zack died, Bo's reaction was also on spot his first reaction was heartwrenching BUT he also felt the need to protect his daughter Chelsea but then that was under real writers not the idiots in charge now. Jennifer nor Abby's reaction to Jack's death has been in anyway believable. Nicole's so far has (well until they have her schemeig to keep Daniel) now it's pathetic. I had to read your post twice. i thought you said shock and Daniel come first and in that case Jen had it right all along. Lol
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BeeBee
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Oct 25 2012, 02:18 AM
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- esp13
- Oct 23 2012, 09:06 AM
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- Oct 22 2012, 11:35 PM
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- Oct 22 2012, 03:13 PM
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- Oct 22 2012, 02:31 PM
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But you just said that Brady, Daniel, and Rafe would have reason to talk to Nicole about what happened. I think Daniel and Rafe certainly had a right to know what happened given their involvement with the baby and Brady already knew. The only people who went to see Nicole about Jennifer were Abby and Jennifer (which I have totally blanked out apparently). Again, not necessarily appropriate, but hardly difficult to understand. The point is that there has not (as was implied) been a trail of Salemnites breaking into Nicole's hospital room to tell her how wrong she is about Jennifer.
If a mother has lost a child under any circumstances,the only conversation with the mother should be to sympathize with her over the death .Even Roman and the SPD did not intrude on her grief with questions.
So Rafe and Daniel - who had supported Nicole throughout her pregnancy and were the supposed father and godfather of that baby -- had no right to ask what happened? Daniel was told that Nicole had been in some kind of accident, but he shouldn't have asked what it was? I think that's a little unrealistic. And from what I could see, they were both very supportive of Nicole. Rafe left because the nurse/doctor told him that Nicole might rest better without anybody in the room. Daniel left but only after making sure Rafe was going to be there. The only people who were out of line were, perhaps, Abby and Jen. But given their stake in Nicole's story about what happened, I can hardly blame them for trying to get her to admit it was an accident and nothing more. Beyond that, it's a little hard to be overly outraged at people questioning whether Nicole is sure about what happened when, in fact, she's lying. Nicole lost a full term miracle baby after having had a miscarriage.Everyone in Salem knew that.No one in Salem knew for a fact she was lying about how she lost the child. If a mother has lost a child,no one should be questioning her about how the loss occurred.They should offer sympathy to her and listen if she wants to talk about how the loss occurred not question her about how the loss occurred within less than twenty-four hours of the time of the death.If i visited someone who loss their child,I might wonder how it occurred but I would never initiate that conversation.
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Oct 25 2012, 02:28 AM
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- Oct 23 2012, 02:52 PM
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- Oct 23 2012, 01:09 PM
Maybe my apathy for the story is blinding me, but I don't think anybody has made their character sympathetic in awhile. It's kind of hard to hold them responsible given what they have to work with, though.
THIS! I just don't care about these people anymore. They are all a bunch of selfish, posturing schmucks. Which I could deal with if they had charm and charisma. But unfortunately, they don't. The only rootable characters are Ciara, Theo, Johnny, Allie and Syd (and I only find Syd rootable about half the time). Having brought up Sami's kids (esp.Sydney),does anyone know whether their screen absence may be related to recasting? I can't remember the last time I have seen Allie,Johnny,and Sydney.I mean Lucas is always mentioning Allie but you don't see her or the others.Everyone is discussing the kids but you don't see them.
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Oct 25 2012, 09:05 AM
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I'm a little more pissed of as to how they are getting rid of Bo. They have to go all the way to California to get treatment for Alzheimer's disease, do they? How freaking ridiculous. Why would anybody decide that taking Caroline away from all of her loved ones for an incurable progressive disease is a good idea. and that Bo is somehow justified leaving his wife and family to stay with her there makes any sense and is something that Caroline would agree to. It is the worst exit, ever.
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Oct 25 2012, 09:09 AM
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If a mother has lost a child under any circumstances,the only conversation with the mother should be to sympathize with her over the death .Even Roman and the SPD did not intrude on her grief with questions.
So Rafe and Daniel - who had supported Nicole throughout her pregnancy and were the supposed father and godfather of that baby -- had no right to ask what happened? Daniel was told that Nicole had been in some kind of accident, but he shouldn't have asked what it was? I think that's a little unrealistic. And from what I could see, they were both very supportive of Nicole. Rafe left because the nurse/doctor told him that Nicole might rest better without anybody in the room. Daniel left but only after making sure Rafe was going to be there. The only people who were out of line were, perhaps, Abby and Jen. But given their stake in Nicole's story about what happened, I can hardly blame them for trying to get her to admit it was an accident and nothing more. Beyond that, it's a little hard to be overly outraged at people questioning whether Nicole is sure about what happened when, in fact, she's lying.
Nicole lost a full term miracle baby after having had a miscarriage.Everyone in Salem knew that.No one in Salem knew for a fact she was lying about how she lost the child. If a mother has lost a child,no one should be questioning her about how the loss occurred.They should offer sympathy to her and listen if she wants to talk about how the loss occurred not question her about how the loss occurred within less than twenty-four hours of the time of the death.If i visited someone who loss their child,I might wonder how it occurred but I would never initiate that conversation. If she's going to accuse someone of murder, they have to question her.
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Oct 25 2012, 09:11 AM
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Rafe should get a second job as a stealer of E.J.'s babies. If E.J. is so freaking dangerous, how come Rafe has no problem with Sammi's kids having a good relationship with them? Makes no sense. It makes no sense that Daniel would get involved in medical malpractice for Nicole's bullshit, because didn't Chloe do the very same thing to him, which broke his heart? Is the spray tan effecting his brain so badly that he can't see the parallels? What a douchelord. the whole show is so badly written it isn't even worth watching. Another dead baby story. They just love dead baby stories on this show. Sick.
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Oct 25 2012, 09:14 AM
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.
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- BeeBee
- Oct 25 2012, 02:28 AM
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- Oct 23 2012, 02:52 PM
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- Oct 23 2012, 01:09 PM
Maybe my apathy for the story is blinding me, but I don't think anybody has made their character sympathetic in awhile. It's kind of hard to hold them responsible given what they have to work with, though.
THIS! I just don't care about these people anymore. They are all a bunch of selfish, posturing schmucks. Which I could deal with if they had charm and charisma. But unfortunately, they don't. The only rootable characters are Ciara, Theo, Johnny, Allie and Syd (and I only find Syd rootable about half the time).
Having brought up Sami's kids (esp.Sydney),does anyone know whether their screen absence may be related to recasting? I can't remember the last time I have seen Allie,Johnny,and Sydney.I mean Lucas is always mentioning Allie but you don't see her or the others.Everyone is discussing the kids but you don't see them. There are behind the scenes pics of the twins that play Johnny with GG from the set in the tweets thread this week, so it would seem that they have not been recast. Not sure about the twins playing Allie or Sydney.
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Oct 26 2012, 12:49 PM
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- lysie
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So Rafe and Daniel - who had supported Nicole throughout her pregnancy and were the supposed father and godfather of that baby -- had no right to ask what happened? Daniel was told that Nicole had been in some kind of accident, but he shouldn't have asked what it was? I think that's a little unrealistic. And from what I could see, they were both very supportive of Nicole. Rafe left because the nurse/doctor told him that Nicole might rest better without anybody in the room. Daniel left but only after making sure Rafe was going to be there. The only people who were out of line were, perhaps, Abby and Jen. But given their stake in Nicole's story about what happened, I can hardly blame them for trying to get her to admit it was an accident and nothing more. Beyond that, it's a little hard to be overly outraged at people questioning whether Nicole is sure about what happened when, in fact, she's lying.
Nicole lost a full term miracle baby after having had a miscarriage.Everyone in Salem knew that.No one in Salem knew for a fact she was lying about how she lost the child. If a mother has lost a child,no one should be questioning her about how the loss occurred.They should offer sympathy to her and listen if she wants to talk about how the loss occurred not question her about how the loss occurred within less than twenty-four hours of the time of the death.If i visited someone who loss their child,I might wonder how it occurred but I would never initiate that conversation.
If she's going to accuse someone of murder, they have to question her. The only people who have to question her based on her accusation are the police and lawyers (prosecutor) and as I have previously stated,they did not do so within hours of the time she lost the baby,it appears they gave her close to 24 hours after the death.When Roman went to see Nicole,he apologized for intruding on her grief but he needed a statement based on her allegation.
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Oct 26 2012, 12:53 PM
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Maybe my apathy for the story is blinding me, but I don't think anybody has made their character sympathetic in awhile. It's kind of hard to hold them responsible given what they have to work with, though.
THIS! I just don't care about these people anymore. They are all a bunch of selfish, posturing schmucks. Which I could deal with if they had charm and charisma. But unfortunately, they don't. The only rootable characters are Ciara, Theo, Johnny, Allie and Syd (and I only find Syd rootable about half the time).
Having brought up Sami's kids (esp.Sydney),does anyone know whether their screen absence may be related to recasting? I can't remember the last time I have seen Allie,Johnny,and Sydney.I mean Lucas is always mentioning Allie but you don't see her or the others.Everyone is discussing the kids but you don't see them.
There are behind the scenes pics of the twins that play Johnny with GG from the set in the tweets thread this week, so it would seem that they have not been recast. Not sure about the twins playing Allie or Sydney. Thanks SocRMUM1. I rarely read the tweet thread.
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Oct 26 2012, 10:20 PM
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I don't care what anyone says, Jennifer knew Nicole had a high risk pregnancy and she had to stay calm, but Jennifer spent every waking moment badgering Nicole and yelling at her and getting in her face. That is what killed Nicole's baby. Bottom line.
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Oct 27 2012, 12:14 AM
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Monday ("The Truth") Dr. Sedwick gives Daniel some shocking information; Kate is angry when Kristen delivers her divorce papers from Stefano.
Tuesday ("Desperation") Nicole heads to Jennifer's house with dangerous intentions; Victor comes up with a scheme to get Nicole away from Daniel.
Wednesday ("Getting Help") Nicole is in disbelief after hearing Daniel's words; Kristen surprises John at the Horton cabin.
Thursday ("The Truth Comes Out") Abigail blasts Nicole for accusing her mother of murder; Marlena confides in Hope about her worries regarding Kristen.
Friday ("Nicole's Threat") Nicole feels like she can't go on living; Will and Sonny's friends try to help them mend their relationship.
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Oct 27 2012, 01:51 AM
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I guess this is the lets all crap on Nicole week.
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Oct 27 2012, 02:04 AM
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After losing Dan Nicole feels like she can't keep going on...until she sees Eric? Quaint.
Also, why is a doctor revealing stuff about his patient?
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Oct 27 2012, 02:10 AM
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Nicole feels like she can't go on living;
Why does this sound so familiar...oh yeah cause it's the exact damn storyline that we saw with Chloe ...
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Oct 27 2012, 06:32 AM
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two silver linings: goodbye dicole and hello ericole!
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Oct 27 2012, 08:05 AM
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This show is depressing. These unoriginal writers are encouraging us to tune out not tune in.
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Oct 27 2012, 10:37 AM
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So as if Nicole losing her second child isn't enough they have everyone trashing her for it too. All to put a halo over Jennifer Whorton's head. :flipoff: you TomSell!
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Oct 27 2012, 11:48 AM
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I have absolutely zero interest in watching all these people gang up on and scream at a woman who just lost her 2nd child in the most horrible, traumatic way. Sorry, I still feel that Jennifer deserved some of the grief she got for screaming at Nicole and calling her horrible names, who is to say that this behavior did not cause stress to her baby and cause his death. :shrug: She deserves some compassion, which she has received very little, everyone made her baby's death about themselves and someone else. Instead she gets yelled and screamed at, called a lying bitch no doubt, and she loses every friend she had after also losing her precious son. This is sadistic. Sorry Days, my television stays away from Days for good for this. F---- off! :flipoff: :flipoff: :flipoff:
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Oct 27 2012, 11:57 AM
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I'm intrigued by the Friday spoiler, shall be interesting to see which friends try to help get Will and Sonny mend their relationship. Just no Gabi, that's all I ask, I'm already going to have to deal with her enough in the future I'm almost 99% sure so it'll be nice for it to be Abigail or Chad or someone else lol. I'm looking forward to the angsty-ness of the situation too, I'm a sucker for all that angst stuff.
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Oct 27 2012, 01:29 PM
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Oh Nicole! I feel for you lady I really do. A change is gonna come. :hug:
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