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Spoilers for the week of November 5th; *updated 10/30*
Topic Started: Oct 19 2012, 01:33 PM (36,884 Views)
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gailwinters
Oct 20 2012, 09:55 PM
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Oct 20 2012, 09:50 PM
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Oct 20 2012, 09:38 PM
So they killed Nicole's baby so that Gabi can give birth to a Hernandez child. I can see it right now: Tomlin took over, looked at the scripts and said "oh no, we can't have Nicole's baby survive. EJ doesn't deserve to be a father! I know, I'll kill it and give Gabi a baby so that we can have MORE Hernadi on the show! Yeah, that's what I'll do!". They could have let him live and change the paternity to Brady. Just saying...

And why are they wasting Nicole on Daniel? I never got that! Daniel, of all people? Eric can't come back soon enough for me.

The only spoiler that interests me is the one involving Kristen. I hope she'll raise some much needed hell for all the snooty, hollier than thou so called heroes and heroines of Salem.

Unless I've missed something we still haven't any evidence that Gabi is pregnant yet. Are they waiting until she's actually in labour to work it out? Honestly if you're going to do a WTD story you have to have less then 3 months between partners - it's getting ridiculous. If she does try to say it's Nick's won't Will get suspicious when she has an 8 lb baby after only 6 months pregnancy? :shrug:
In this week's SID Sweeps Preview, it says Gabi faints. I'm pretty sure that's soapspeak for she's pregnant.
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this show is pathetic.
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nolagirl
Oct 22 2012, 02:31 PM
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Oct 22 2012, 02:16 PM
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Oct 22 2012, 01:14 PM
esp13
Oct 22 2012, 11:15 AM

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BUT the point at the point is that people while Nicole is greiving and NOT knowing the truth have the adacity to go to Nicole and talk to her about it. The only people I could see having reason to do so would be people that are friends with both. Example - Brady, Daniel, Rafe anyone else is completely OUT OF LINE. And even these three should wait until she's at least out of the hospital for the conversation to take place, it's not like Jenn didn't get a private arrainment in the judge's chambers, or that she had no bail and is sitting in prison, or that she's been convicted of said crime. This is another example of hypocrisy for certain characters, if the roles were reversed and anyone went to Jenn even now and told her she was wrong for doing something, everyone in town would be defending because of her grief of "cough" Jack. Jennifer is no saint and putting her up to that status is down right annoying especially given her actions of late.
Who went to see Nicole besides Abby? Honestly, I'm asking because I can't think of anybody else who visited Nicole to talk about Jennifer. And Abby may have been out of line, but she's Jennifer's daughter and I don't think it's hard to understand her desire to help/protect her mother.
Abby, Jennifer, Daniel - all pleading Jennifer case to a half sedated greiving mother. Rafe went to her (and this is a shocker for me to say since I can't stand him) actually just consoled her BUT Daniel (while sprinting to Jen) told him NOT to leave Nicole alone and his stupid ass couldn't wait to get back to Sami's twat so he left her for EJ to get a hold of, but not before bringing up the secret and thier need to keep it. Brady is the only one who visited her without a true agenda. Jeez even the Salem PD who normally can't wait and has to talk to the victim never actually came to get another statement from her.

Forget everything else going on BUT the loss of the child and the greif of the mother, that is all anyone should have spoke with her about in the hours after the baby's death.
But you just said that Brady, Daniel, and Rafe would have reason to talk to Nicole about what happened. I think Daniel and Rafe certainly had a right to know what happened given their involvement with the baby and Brady already knew. The only people who went to see Nicole about Jennifer were Abby and Jennifer (which I have totally blanked out apparently). Again, not necessarily appropriate, but hardly difficult to understand.

The point is that there has not (as was implied) been a trail of Salemnites breaking into Nicole's hospital room to tell her how wrong she is about Jennifer.
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Oct 22 2012, 03:13 PM
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Oct 22 2012, 02:31 PM
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Oct 22 2012, 02:16 PM
nolagirl
Oct 22 2012, 01:14 PM

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Who went to see Nicole besides Abby? Honestly, I'm asking because I can't think of anybody else who visited Nicole to talk about Jennifer. And Abby may have been out of line, but she's Jennifer's daughter and I don't think it's hard to understand her desire to help/protect her mother.
Abby, Jennifer, Daniel - all pleading Jennifer case to a half sedated greiving mother. Rafe went to her (and this is a shocker for me to say since I can't stand him) actually just consoled her BUT Daniel (while sprinting to Jen) told him NOT to leave Nicole alone and his stupid ass couldn't wait to get back to Sami's twat so he left her for EJ to get a hold of, but not before bringing up the secret and thier need to keep it. Brady is the only one who visited her without a true agenda. Jeez even the Salem PD who normally can't wait and has to talk to the victim never actually came to get another statement from her.

Forget everything else going on BUT the loss of the child and the greif of the mother, that is all anyone should have spoke with her about in the hours after the baby's death.
But you just said that Brady, Daniel, and Rafe would have reason to talk to Nicole about what happened. I think Daniel and Rafe certainly had a right to know what happened given their involvement with the baby and Brady already knew. The only people who went to see Nicole about Jennifer were Abby and Jennifer (which I have totally blanked out apparently). Again, not necessarily appropriate, but hardly difficult to understand.

The point is that there has not (as was implied) been a trail of Salemnites breaking into Nicole's hospital room to tell her how wrong she is about Jennifer.
I will agree to disagree with you on that one. ^o)
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The only thing i can hope for in all this is that once nicole is caught in this lie or some how confesses that she is moved on from the dannifer storyline and into something different
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Courtneya6688
Oct 22 2012, 04:35 PM
The only thing i can hope for in all this is that once nicole is caught in this lie or some how confesses that she is moved on from the dannifer storyline and into something different
Here's to hoping but honestly Nicole has to lose her baby for this horrid couple, and somehow they still make her in the wrong and have to come clean or apologize. :flipoff: Tomlin sucks ass

But on a brighter side I truly hope after it all comes out that Nicole never sets sites on either of those two again.
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Didn't Abby and Cam break up awhile ago? Kristen needs to do something besides dole out advice.
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esp13
Oct 22 2012, 03:13 PM
nolagirl
Oct 22 2012, 02:31 PM
esp13
Oct 22 2012, 02:16 PM
nolagirl
Oct 22 2012, 01:14 PM

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Who went to see Nicole besides Abby? Honestly, I'm asking because I can't think of anybody else who visited Nicole to talk about Jennifer. And Abby may have been out of line, but she's Jennifer's daughter and I don't think it's hard to understand her desire to help/protect her mother.
Abby, Jennifer, Daniel - all pleading Jennifer case to a half sedated greiving mother. Rafe went to her (and this is a shocker for me to say since I can't stand him) actually just consoled her BUT Daniel (while sprinting to Jen) told him NOT to leave Nicole alone and his stupid ass couldn't wait to get back to Sami's twat so he left her for EJ to get a hold of, but not before bringing up the secret and thier need to keep it. Brady is the only one who visited her without a true agenda. Jeez even the Salem PD who normally can't wait and has to talk to the victim never actually came to get another statement from her.

Forget everything else going on BUT the loss of the child and the greif of the mother, that is all anyone should have spoke with her about in the hours after the baby's death.
But you just said that Brady, Daniel, and Rafe would have reason to talk to Nicole about what happened. I think Daniel and Rafe certainly had a right to know what happened given their involvement with the baby and Brady already knew. The only people who went to see Nicole about Jennifer were Abby and Jennifer (which I have totally blanked out apparently). Again, not necessarily appropriate, but hardly difficult to understand.

The point is that there has not (as was implied) been a trail of Salemnites breaking into Nicole's hospital room to tell her how wrong she is about Jennifer.
If a mother has lost a child under any circumstances,the only conversation with the mother should be to sympathize with her over the death .Even Roman and the SPD did not intrude on her grief with questions.
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:hail: :hail: Absolutely!
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Oct 22 2012, 11:35 PM
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Oct 22 2012, 03:13 PM
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Oct 22 2012, 02:31 PM
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Oct 22 2012, 02:16 PM

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Abby, Jennifer, Daniel - all pleading Jennifer case to a half sedated greiving mother. Rafe went to her (and this is a shocker for me to say since I can't stand him) actually just consoled her BUT Daniel (while sprinting to Jen) told him NOT to leave Nicole alone and his stupid ass couldn't wait to get back to Sami's twat so he left her for EJ to get a hold of, but not before bringing up the secret and thier need to keep it. Brady is the only one who visited her without a true agenda. Jeez even the Salem PD who normally can't wait and has to talk to the victim never actually came to get another statement from her.

Forget everything else going on BUT the loss of the child and the greif of the mother, that is all anyone should have spoke with her about in the hours after the baby's death.
But you just said that Brady, Daniel, and Rafe would have reason to talk to Nicole about what happened. I think Daniel and Rafe certainly had a right to know what happened given their involvement with the baby and Brady already knew. The only people who went to see Nicole about Jennifer were Abby and Jennifer (which I have totally blanked out apparently). Again, not necessarily appropriate, but hardly difficult to understand.

The point is that there has not (as was implied) been a trail of Salemnites breaking into Nicole's hospital room to tell her how wrong she is about Jennifer.
If a mother has lost a child under any circumstances,the only conversation with the mother should be to sympathize with her over the death .Even Roman and the SPD did not intrude on her grief with questions.
So Rafe and Daniel - who had supported Nicole throughout her pregnancy and were the supposed father and godfather of that baby -- had no right to ask what happened? Daniel was told that Nicole had been in some kind of accident, but he shouldn't have asked what it was? I think that's a little unrealistic. And from what I could see, they were both very supportive of Nicole. Rafe left because the nurse/doctor told him that Nicole might rest better without anybody in the room. Daniel left but only after making sure Rafe was going to be there.

The only people who were out of line were, perhaps, Abby and Jen. But given their stake in Nicole's story about what happened, I can hardly blame them for trying to get her to admit it was an accident and nothing more. Beyond that, it's a little hard to be overly outraged at people questioning whether Nicole is sure about what happened when, in fact, she's lying.
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Jennifer is not some innocent little victim. Nicole isn't either, but at least I feel for her in her loss. Jennifer during her loss was to busy trying to make eyes at the overly tanned manwhore doctor and then continually harassing a woman going through a high risk pregnancy. She put stress on Nicole and her unborn child. And while its wrong for Nicole to a accuse her of murdering her baby, it's even more wrong to have Jennifer sainted and come out smelling like a rose when she is partly responsible for the baby dying. But whatever Days sucks and the less time I waste on this show the better because it obviously never going to get any better. :shame:
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Wouldn't it had made more sense if they had kept everything we've seen the past three weeks for sweeps? Seems like for sweeps when they should be going up hill into a story and hitting their stride and they're going down hill instead and running out of steam. Unless of course they've got something really big planned for sweeps and are keeping it a secret.......but I doubt it.
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I really hope they are holding out for sweeps because if this is it days is in trouble. I think the full preview should be out thursday in the new sod. I think we may head to some new storys soon hopefully i think new writters were tieing up old writters stuff. I would hope that the direction of new storys will come soon though
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Oct 23 2012, 09:06 AM
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Oct 22 2012, 11:35 PM
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Oct 22 2012, 03:13 PM
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Oct 22 2012, 02:31 PM

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But you just said that Brady, Daniel, and Rafe would have reason to talk to Nicole about what happened. I think Daniel and Rafe certainly had a right to know what happened given their involvement with the baby and Brady already knew. The only people who went to see Nicole about Jennifer were Abby and Jennifer (which I have totally blanked out apparently). Again, not necessarily appropriate, but hardly difficult to understand.

The point is that there has not (as was implied) been a trail of Salemnites breaking into Nicole's hospital room to tell her how wrong she is about Jennifer.
If a mother has lost a child under any circumstances,the only conversation with the mother should be to sympathize with her over the death .Even Roman and the SPD did not intrude on her grief with questions.
So Rafe and Daniel - who had supported Nicole throughout her pregnancy and were the supposed father and godfather of that baby -- had no right to ask what happened? Daniel was told that Nicole had been in some kind of accident, but he shouldn't have asked what it was? I think that's a little unrealistic. And from what I could see, they were both very supportive of Nicole. Rafe left because the nurse/doctor told him that Nicole might rest better without anybody in the room. Daniel left but only after making sure Rafe was going to be there.

The only people who were out of line were, perhaps, Abby and Jen. But given their stake in Nicole's story about what happened, I can hardly blame them for trying to get her to admit it was an accident and nothing more. Beyond that, it's a little hard to be overly outraged at people questioning whether Nicole is sure about what happened when, in fact, she's lying.
You're looking at facts that we the audience know, not the facts as they are right now on screen. If in fact Jennifer had pushed Nicole her going to Nicole's room as well as Abby could be skewed by the DA as threatening to Nicole. As for anyone asking her what happened? Not one person should have asked Nicole directly after giving birth to a dead baby, her doctor would have prevented it. As for Rafe leaving yes the doctor asked him to leave the room BUT he knew EJ was still a threat and still chose to run back to Sami instead of being the highly pimped cop/FBI agent he is and should have stayed guard outside her room. As for the story of what happened any of them could have gotten the story from others, enough people like both Brady and Billie could have answered what they saw. If they had questions for Nicole the next day would have been a better time. But then for a show that likes to kill babies and has no idea about grief, what should we expect.

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I'm dying to know if Lucas will confront Nicole? I want to Will to find out EJ threatened his Aunt Jen. It would also be cool for EJ to discover Sami planned to support Rafe hid the fact he was the late baby's dad. That may break his illusion sami cares for him.
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Oct 23 2012, 11:25 AM
Jennifer is not some innocent little victim. Nicole isn't either, but at least I feel for her in her loss. Jennifer during her loss was to busy trying to make eyes at the overly tanned manwhore doctor and then continually harassing a woman going through a high risk pregnancy. She put stress on Nicole and her unborn child. And while its wrong for Nicole to a accuse her of murdering her baby, it's even more wrong to have Jennifer sainted and come out smelling like a rose when she is partly responsible for the baby dying. But whatever Days sucks and the less time I waste on this show the better because it obviously never going to get any better. :shame:
Jennifer is in no way responsible for the death of the baby. She's just not. She doesn't have to be a saint to not be at fault. Nicole's grief isn't much better than Jennifer's for Jack. She's not too busy grieving to lie and set someone up for a murder that didn't happen. It's a rotten story all the way around and no one is particularly rootable, but that doesn't make Jennifer guilty of anything other than being mean. Someone at Days must have realized how bad this story is because they sure are ending it quickly and without even a soft bang.
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Oct 23 2012, 12:23 PM
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Jennifer is not some innocent little victim. Nicole isn't either, but at least I feel for her in her loss. Jennifer during her loss was to busy trying to make eyes at the overly tanned manwhore doctor and then continually harassing a woman going through a high risk pregnancy. She put stress on Nicole and her unborn child. And while its wrong for Nicole to a accuse her of murdering her baby, it's even more wrong to have Jennifer sainted and come out smelling like a rose when she is partly responsible for the baby dying. But whatever Days sucks and the less time I waste on this show the better because it obviously never going to get any better. :shame:
Jennifer is in no way responsible for the death of the baby. She's just not. She doesn't have to be a saint to not be at fault. Nicole's grief isn't much better than Jennifer's for Jack. She's not too busy grieving to lie and set someone up for a murder that didn't happen. It's a rotten story all the way around and no one is particularly rootable, but that doesn't make Jennifer guilty of anything other than being mean. Someone at Days must have realized how bad this story is because they sure are ending it quickly and without even a soft bang.
Agree to disagree. I do hold Jennifer partly responsible. No she didn't murder the baby and shouldn't go to jail for it. But in my opinion she does share blame just as Nicole does. Nicole should have been focused on the baby instead of Daniel and Jennifer should have been grieving fir Jack instead of constantly harassing and yelling at Nicole. I guess the thing that pisses me off is Nicole's is baby being sacrificed to herald Jennifer as some sort of saint when she's far from one at least in my opinion.

And while I do agree the writing for Nicole isn't a lot better then the writing for Jennifer AZ makes me feel for Nicole. MR on the otherhand brings nothing to the table that makes me want to root or feel bad for her. They could lock her in a cell and throw away the key and I'd honestly feel nothing for her.
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It is just tiresome that everybody believes that Jennifer could not have pushed Nicole. Brady saw how irrational Jennifer was being in regards to Nicole. There should be some doubts as to whether Jennifer pushed her or not.
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Oct 23 2012, 12:40 PM
It is just tiresome that everybody believes that Jennifer could not have pushed Nicole. Brady saw how irrational Jennifer was being in regards to Nicole. There should be some doubts as to whether Jennifer pushed her or not.
There has been. I'm even ignoring the majority of their scenes and I see clear doubt coming from several people.
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I don't think anybody is to blame for the baby's death. It's tragic, but sometimes babies just don't make it. It's nobody's fault IMO.
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.

lysie
Oct 23 2012, 12:50 PM
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Oct 23 2012, 12:40 PM
It is just tiresome that everybody believes that Jennifer could not have pushed Nicole. Brady saw how irrational Jennifer was being in regards to Nicole. There should be some doubts as to whether Jennifer pushed her or not.
There has been. I'm even ignoring the majority of their scenes and I see clear doubt coming from several people.
Agreed. Just in the last couple of episodes Jennifer has been upset with Brady and Abigail for seemingly thinking she pushed Nicole without intending to hurt the baby. Billie flat out told her at HTS that sometimes people do things they might not have meant to do in the heat of the moment - and she thought that was what Jennifer had done.
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