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Spoilers for the week of November 5th; *updated 10/30*
Topic Started: Oct 19 2012, 01:33 PM (36,883 Views)
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Maybe my apathy for the story is blinding me, but I don't think anybody has made their character sympathetic in awhile. It's kind of hard to hold them responsible given what they have to work with, though.
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Oct 23 2012, 01:05 PM
lysie
Oct 23 2012, 12:50 PM
Deverauxfan
Oct 23 2012, 12:40 PM
It is just tiresome that everybody believes that Jennifer could not have pushed Nicole. Brady saw how irrational Jennifer was being in regards to Nicole. There should be some doubts as to whether Jennifer pushed her or not.
There has been. I'm even ignoring the majority of their scenes and I see clear doubt coming from several people.
Agreed. Just in the last couple of episodes Jennifer has been upset with Brady and Abigail for seemingly thinking she pushed Nicole without intending to hurt the baby. Billie flat out told her at HTS that sometimes people do things they might not have meant to do in the heat of the moment - and she thought that was what Jennifer had done.
Exactly!

I'm normally not a violent person, but lately, I feel like I could punch Sami or Jennifer (or Rafe) right in the face and just go about my regular day like nothing happened. That's how annoyed I am by these fake people.
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I have a hard time believing I can't root for Jennifer Rose Horton, but since her return I've found her tolerable for a total of two weeks. This whole story would have played better had they actually written in scenes regarding Jennifer's grief and guilt that Jack died rather than a few retroactive comments to explain her bitchy behaviour.

When I'm voting for Jennifer Rose Horton to get her ass kicked whether she deserves it or not, something is very wrong.
Edited by mer4santo, Oct 23 2012, 01:13 PM.
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six
Oct 23 2012, 01:09 PM
Maybe my apathy for the story is blinding me, but I don't think anybody has made their character sympathetic in awhile. It's kind of hard to hold them responsible given what they have to work with, though.
THIS! I just don't care about these people anymore. They are all a bunch of selfish, posturing schmucks. Which I could deal with if they had charm and charisma. But unfortunately, they don't. The only rootable characters are Ciara, Theo, Johnny, Allie and Syd (and I only find Syd rootable about half the time).
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Bellarke <3

I just feel that when the truth comes out, Nicole will be treated as an evil town pariah and Jennifer will be treated as an innocent victim unjustly treated by Nicole. Jennifer did not cause the baby's death. However, she did verbally attack Nicole on multiple occasions. Nicole is grieving the loss of a second baby, yet Jennifer will be the one getting the sympathy of the members of Salem. People will judge Nicole and not understand her reasoning or her mental state at the time of the fall. Jennifer's behavior is being excused by her so-called grief over Jack. This storyline sucks. It's all about a stupid triangle.
Edited by Deverauxfan, Oct 23 2012, 03:20 PM.
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Oct 23 2012, 03:17 PM
I just feel that when the truth comes out, Nicole will be treated as an evil town pariah and Jennifer will be treated as an innocent victim unjustly treated by Nicole. Jennifer did not cause the baby's death. However, she did verbally attack Nicole on multiple occasions. Nicole is grieving the loss of a second baby, yet Jennifer will be the one getting the sympathy of the members of Salem. People will judge Nicole and not understand her reasoning or her mental state at the time of the fall. Jennifer's behavior is being excused by her so-called grief over Jack. This storyline sucks. It's all about a stupid triangle.
I don't mind a triangle where the pairings are rootable but in this case it's just so blech. On one side you have a doctor and pregnant patient and the other is a recently bereaved widow. There are no winners and that is the problem with the whole crappy storyline.
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Oct 23 2012, 03:17 PM
I just feel that when the truth comes out, Nicole will be treated as an evil town pariah and Jennifer will be treated as an innocent victim unjustly treated by Nicole. Jennifer did not cause the baby's death. However, she did verbally attack Nicole on multiple occasions. Nicole is grieving the loss of a second baby, yet Jennifer will be the one getting the sympathy of the members of Salem. People will judge Nicole and not understand her reasoning or her mental state at the time of the fall. Jennifer's behavior is being excused by her so-called grief over Jack. This storyline sucks. It's all about a stupid triangle.
Dude! Nicole framed Jennifer for killing her already dead baby!

Nicole has a history with altering the truth for her benefit and hurting (sometimes) innocent others in the process, OF COURSE she is going to be treated as the town pariah!
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I WOULD LIKE JENNIFER AND DR.CAN'T ACT.. MY GOD ITS PAINFUL WATCHING HIM. BOTH OF THEM SHOULD GO TO CHINA AND NEVER COME BACK. THAT LITTLE TRAMP GABI SHOULD ME WRITTEN OUT QUICKLY ! A NICE EXIT LIKE A TRACTOR GOING OVER HER . I DESPISE THAT CHARACTER. I AM TIRED OF EJ SAMI RAFE ITS THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER. ITS ONLY SO MUCH OF THE SAME THING AND YA GOT TO TURN THE TUBE OFF OR THROW YOUR SLIPPER AT THE TV. ISN'T THERE A WAY TO TELL A STORY THAT GET THE VIEWERS WATCHING. GET RID OF OTHER USELESS CHARACTERS THAT I AM WONDERING WHY THEY ARE EVEN GETTING A PAY CHECK. I WANT MORE OF WILL AND SONNY . I STILL AM INTERESTED IT THE STORY WHAT WONDERFUL SCENES HE HAD WITH HIS GRANDMOTHER MARLENA. KEEP HIS STOREY CLASSEY NOT SLEEZEY. SINCE THE NEW WRITER CAME IN WILL AND SONNY ARE IN A STATE OF FLUX. THE SHOW IS GOING AROUND IN CIRCLES WITH NO CLEAR DIRECTION FOR ITS GREAT ACTORS . I FEEL BAD FOR ACTORS WHO GIVE THERE ALL TRYING TO MAKE THE BEST OUT OF CRAPPY DULL WRITING. WHATS IT GOING TO TAKE FOR KEN CORDAY TO WAKE UP? I WONDER DOES IE REALLY WANT THE SHOW TO BE SUCCESSFUL? IS HE TIRED OF IT ? SELL IT IF YOU ARE . SOMETHING AS TO BE DONE QUICKLY .
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tomsawyer
Oct 23 2012, 01:05 PM
I don't think anybody is to blame for the baby's death. It's tragic, but sometimes babies just don't make it. It's nobody's fault IMO.
:P I'll stretch my Sami hate and blame her, if she hadn't gotten Nicole shot years ago, Nicole would not have the problems conceiving and carrying a child full term. :shrug: Well hell if they can give me whiplash with the way the writers skew the facts I might as well as a viewer actually use history correctly right back at them. :sarcasm:
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5 Stages of Grief

1st - Shock and Denial
2nd - Pain and Guilt
3rd - Anger and Bargaining
4th - Depression, Reflection, Loneliness
5th - Acceptance and Hope

So far I've seen these from Jenn little and far between since Jack's death 1st Shock/Denial, 2nd Guilt, 3rd Anger and it's supposedly been a few months since Jack's death. Jennifer is getting slacked because it was Jack's death that made her act this way. BUT Nicole will get none for a second child's loss on her actions.

Nicole lost ther baby in the last day or so Day's time she's already exhibited 1 & 2, and they're pushing her towards 3 with bargaining with Daniel. Sorry doensn't work that fast but of course, it's all about Jennifer getting everyone sympathy and Nicole being the bitch.

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Jennifer is getting slack because she has friends and family. Nicole doesn't. That's always going to be an issue for Nicole because the character just doesn't really have anyone in her corner. That's a huge mistake, IMO, but it is the way it is. It wouldn't make sense for Salem to turn on Jennifer. History and relationships matter and this is why Nicole always comes out on the bottom. That won't change until they give Nicole real ties to Salem and don't murder the ties immediately after establishing them.

And bargaining with Daniel isn't the kind of bargaining noted in the stages of grief.
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nolagirl
Oct 23 2012, 03:43 PM
tomsawyer
Oct 23 2012, 01:05 PM
I don't think anybody is to blame for the baby's death. It's tragic, but sometimes babies just don't make it. It's nobody's fault IMO.
:P I'll stretch my Sami hate and blame her, if she hadn't gotten Nicole shot years ago, Nicole would not have the problems conceiving and carrying a child full term. :shrug:
hehehe :cheers:
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Bellarke <3

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Dude! Nicole framed Jennifer for killing her already dead baby!

Nicole has a history with altering the truth for her benefit and hurting (sometimes) innocent others in the process, OF COURSE she is going to be treated as the town pariah!



I know Nicole wrongfully accused Jennifer. I'm just saying that a lot of people won't be understanding of Nicole's mental state when she blamed Jennifer. She just lost her baby. If Jennifer's behavior to Nicole is going to be blamed on grief for Jack, why can't Nicole's behavior be blamed on grief for baby Dimera? If Jennifer was truly grieving Jack and her actions in regards to Dicole were really about "saving" Daniel because she couldn't save Jack, then Jennifer should be more understanding of Nicole and the actions she took while grieving her son. However wrong they have been.
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Oct 23 2012, 04:01 PM
Jennifer is getting slack because she has friends and family. Nicole doesn't. That's always going to be an issue for Nicole because the character just doesn't really have anyone in her corner. That's a huge mistake, IMO, but it is the way it is. It wouldn't make sense for Salem to turn on Jennifer. History and relationships matter and this is why Nicole always comes out on the bottom. That won't change until they give Nicole real ties to Salem and don't murder the ties immediately after establishing them.

And bargaining with Daniel isn't the kind of bargaining noted in the stages of grief.
Agreed on the Bargaining in grief BUT first we're talking soaps and second Nicole should truly only be in the first, that one alone can take months. Which could explain Jennifer acting the way she is she's still in Denial thinkng Jack's on a Walk about :blink: That's her and Orange Glow never broke up because Jack never came back. :shrug:
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Oct 23 2012, 04:21 PM
lysie
Oct 23 2012, 04:01 PM
Jennifer is getting slack because she has friends and family. Nicole doesn't. That's always going to be an issue for Nicole because the character just doesn't really have anyone in her corner. That's a huge mistake, IMO, but it is the way it is. It wouldn't make sense for Salem to turn on Jennifer. History and relationships matter and this is why Nicole always comes out on the bottom. That won't change until they give Nicole real ties to Salem and don't murder the ties immediately after establishing them.

And bargaining with Daniel isn't the kind of bargaining noted in the stages of grief.
Agreed on the Bargaining in grief BUT first we're talking soaps and second Nicole should truly only be in the first, that one alone can take months. Which could explain Jennifer acting the way she is she's still in Denial thinkng Jack's on a Walk about :blink: That's her and Orange Glow never broke up because Jack never came back. :shrug:
Count me in on that denial. Jack never came back, he never went in the elevator and he's still alive out there somewhere...
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bomber
Oct 23 2012, 04:26 PM
nolagirl
Oct 23 2012, 04:21 PM
lysie
Oct 23 2012, 04:01 PM
Jennifer is getting slack because she has friends and family. Nicole doesn't. That's always going to be an issue for Nicole because the character just doesn't really have anyone in her corner. That's a huge mistake, IMO, but it is the way it is. It wouldn't make sense for Salem to turn on Jennifer. History and relationships matter and this is why Nicole always comes out on the bottom. That won't change until they give Nicole real ties to Salem and don't murder the ties immediately after establishing them.

And bargaining with Daniel isn't the kind of bargaining noted in the stages of grief.
Agreed on the Bargaining in grief BUT first we're talking soaps and second Nicole should truly only be in the first, that one alone can take months. Which could explain Jennifer acting the way she is she's still in Denial thinkng Jack's on a Walk about :blink: That's her and Orange Glow never broke up because Jack never came back. :shrug:
Count me in on that denial. Jack never came back, he never went in the elevator and he's still alive out there somewhere...
I'm still hoping for that Bobby Ewing Dallas shower scene where someone walks out the shower and says "I had a horrible nightmare and it lasted 6 years" :drunk:
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I keep seeing all these avatars of EJ/Chloe they make a nice couple, that would be interesting to see her go for EJ like Nicole did with Daniel.
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nolagirl
Oct 23 2012, 04:21 PM
lysie
Oct 23 2012, 04:01 PM
Jennifer is getting slack because she has friends and family. Nicole doesn't. That's always going to be an issue for Nicole because the character just doesn't really have anyone in her corner. That's a huge mistake, IMO, but it is the way it is. It wouldn't make sense for Salem to turn on Jennifer. History and relationships matter and this is why Nicole always comes out on the bottom. That won't change until they give Nicole real ties to Salem and don't murder the ties immediately after establishing them.

And bargaining with Daniel isn't the kind of bargaining noted in the stages of grief.
Agreed on the Bargaining in grief BUT first we're talking soaps and second Nicole should truly only be in the first, that one alone can take months. Which could explain Jennifer acting the way she is she's still in Denial thinkng Jack's on a Walk about :blink: That's her and Orange Glow never broke up because Jack never came back. :shrug:
You don't actually go in order.
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Bring back Jack!

I haven't seen any type of guilt from Jennifer..infact I've seen shock and anger and not much else. I'm sure she was sad for a couple of days but the anger is the main one and even that isn't really about Jack's death. I'm pretty sure just after it happened she had acceptance (when she told Abby he's really gone this time and then had a flashback from when Jack came back from the dead the second to last time that wasn't even her it was the fake Jennifer).
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Oct 23 2012, 04:15 PM
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Dude! Nicole framed Jennifer for killing her already dead baby!

Nicole has a history with altering the truth for her benefit and hurting (sometimes) innocent others in the process, OF COURSE she is going to be treated as the town pariah!



I know Nicole wrongfully accused Jennifer. I'm just saying that a lot of people won't be understanding of Nicole's mental state when she blamed Jennifer. She just lost her baby. If Jennifer's behavior to Nicole is going to be blamed on grief for Jack, why can't Nicole's behavior be blamed on grief for baby Dimera? If Jennifer was truly grieving Jack and her actions in regards to Dicole were really about "saving" Daniel because she couldn't save Jack, then Jennifer should be more understanding of Nicole and the actions she took while grieving her son. However wrong they have been.
First, we don't know that they won't. Second, Daniel just spent today (I think) explaining to Maggie how he thinks Nicole is so grief-stricken that she can't face that idea that her baby has died for no reason and therefore needs to blame Jennifer for what happened. So, I think it's clear that the writers want that to be the explanation for her behavior. They wouldn't have Daniel talking about it if that were not the case.

That said, I expect Nicole will be a pariah when the full truth comes out. But that's how it's supposed to be. Nicole isn't a heroine and never has been. She's not quite a villain, but she's closer to that. And Nicole is at her best when she's angry and scorned. I want to see her hit bottom and then plan her revenge/comeback. Hopefully that involves seducing the collar right off of Eric Brady.
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