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Oct 23 2012, 04:15 PM
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Dude! Nicole framed Jennifer for killing her already dead baby!

Nicole has a history with altering the truth for her benefit and hurting (sometimes) innocent others in the process, OF COURSE she is going to be treated as the town pariah!



I know Nicole wrongfully accused Jennifer. I'm just saying that a lot of people won't be understanding of Nicole's mental state when she blamed Jennifer. She just lost her baby. If Jennifer's behavior to Nicole is going to be blamed on grief for Jack, why can't Nicole's behavior be blamed on grief for baby Dimera? If Jennifer was truly grieving Jack and her actions in regards to Dicole were really about "saving" Daniel because she couldn't save Jack, then Jennifer should be more understanding of Nicole and the actions she took while grieving her son. However wrong they have been.
Personally I think the difference is that Nicole has a history of doing questionable and malicious things to people for her own benefit as misguided or self interested as they might be.

I think the Salemites will have a certain amount of sympathy, but I wouldn't expect too much for the woman who married a man for cold hard cash, attempted to murder Victor, murdered Colin (?), rigged an elections, bartered a baby from a pregnant teen and traded it for her arch enemy's newborn child.
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Oct 23 2012, 01:05 PM
I don't think anybody is to blame for the baby's death. It's tragic, but sometimes babies just don't make it. It's nobody's fault IMO.
It's somebody's fault ...... and I am cranky as hell with them.... Its just not any of the characters on the shows fault.
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Oct 23 2012, 01:05 PM
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Oct 23 2012, 12:50 PM
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Oct 23 2012, 12:40 PM
It is just tiresome that everybody believes that Jennifer could not have pushed Nicole. Brady saw how irrational Jennifer was being in regards to Nicole. There should be some doubts as to whether Jennifer pushed her or not.
There has been. I'm even ignoring the majority of their scenes and I see clear doubt coming from several people.
Agreed. Just in the last couple of episodes Jennifer has been upset with Brady and Abigail for seemingly thinking she pushed Nicole without intending to hurt the baby. Billie flat out told her at HTS that sometimes people do things they might not have meant to do in the heat of the moment - and she thought that was what Jennifer had done.
It's true that several Salemites have at least wondered whether Jennifer could have done it, albeit unintentionally. The writers have set it up so that, in Jennifer's mind, there is only one person in the whole entire world who believes "with all his heart" that Jennifer didn't and couldn't and wouldn't push Nicole... one perfect, perfectly perfect, most perfect, perfectest person. Oh yeah, and he's self-sacrificing and live-saving too. Have I left out anything, Mssrs Tomlin and Whitesell?

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mer4santo
Oct 23 2012, 06:02 PM
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Oct 23 2012, 04:15 PM
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Dude! Nicole framed Jennifer for killing her already dead baby!

Nicole has a history with altering the truth for her benefit and hurting (sometimes) innocent others in the process, OF COURSE she is going to be treated as the town pariah!



I know Nicole wrongfully accused Jennifer. I'm just saying that a lot of people won't be understanding of Nicole's mental state when she blamed Jennifer. She just lost her baby. If Jennifer's behavior to Nicole is going to be blamed on grief for Jack, why can't Nicole's behavior be blamed on grief for baby Dimera? If Jennifer was truly grieving Jack and her actions in regards to Dicole were really about "saving" Daniel because she couldn't save Jack, then Jennifer should be more understanding of Nicole and the actions she took while grieving her son. However wrong they have been.
Personally I think the difference is that Nicole has a history of doing questionable and malicious things to people for her own benefit as misguided or self interested as they might be.

I think the Salemites will have a certain amount of sympathy, but I wouldn't expect too much for the woman who married a man for cold hard cash, attempted to murder Victor, murdered Colin (?), rigged an elections, bartered a baby from a pregnant teen and traded it for her arch enemy's newborn child.
Jennifer may be getting a late start, but she's fast been building up a history of questionable, hurtful, manipulative behavior in the last couple of years. This is already her second time in jail in the last six months, so give her time.

Pretty soon, all the females in Salem will be completely interchangeable -- none of them will have scruples or integrity or much intelligence to speak of; all of them will be weak victims who must be saved by a big strong man. They'll all be involved in various geometric configurations (triangles, quandrangles, etc.) and they'll all be "torn," as they scheme and connive to beat down or screw over whoever stands between them and their favorite flavor of the month week. We're already pretty much there.

In case you haven't noticed, Tomlin is not exactly a fan of strong, independent, smart, caring and compassionate women.



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annie21
Oct 23 2012, 06:21 PM
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Oct 23 2012, 01:05 PM
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Oct 23 2012, 12:50 PM
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Oct 23 2012, 12:40 PM
It is just tiresome that everybody believes that Jennifer could not have pushed Nicole. Brady saw how irrational Jennifer was being in regards to Nicole. There should be some doubts as to whether Jennifer pushed her or not.
There has been. I'm even ignoring the majority of their scenes and I see clear doubt coming from several people.
Agreed. Just in the last couple of episodes Jennifer has been upset with Brady and Abigail for seemingly thinking she pushed Nicole without intending to hurt the baby. Billie flat out told her at HTS that sometimes people do things they might not have meant to do in the heat of the moment - and she thought that was what Jennifer had done.
It's true that several Salemites have at least wondered whether Jennifer could have done it, albeit unintentionally. The writers have intentionally set it up so that, in Jennifer's mind, there is only one person in the whole entire world who believes "with all his heart" that Jennifer didn't and couldn't and wouldn't push Nicole... one perfect, perfectly perfect, most perfect, perfectest person. Oh yeah, and he's self-sacrificing and live-saving too. Have I left out anything, Mssrs Tomlin and Whitesell?

And here we go again with the "You're so perfect..no you're so perfect.." :puke:

Ugh I hate this..everybody is capable of anything given the right circumstances. Remember when Colin was murdered and Jack actually thought she may have done it - and was willing to go to jail to protect her..that is self-sacrificing without needing to make Jennifer seem like she couldn't be capable of something like that if pushed to the extreme. I know she didn't do it this time and I don't truly believe she would've pushed Nicole down the stairs but she was still on the edge and you don't know if or when she might have snapped given her crazy behaviour. Making Daniel see her as a flawless saint and then running away with another woman "to protect Jennifer" doesn't make him a hero (especially when you compare it to the man she isn't bothering to mourn and the real heroism he showed :shame: ).
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Oct 23 2012, 06:30 PM
mer4santo
Oct 23 2012, 06:02 PM
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Oct 23 2012, 04:15 PM
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Dude! Nicole framed Jennifer for killing her already dead baby!

Nicole has a history with altering the truth for her benefit and hurting (sometimes) innocent others in the process, OF COURSE she is going to be treated as the town pariah!



I know Nicole wrongfully accused Jennifer. I'm just saying that a lot of people won't be understanding of Nicole's mental state when she blamed Jennifer. She just lost her baby. If Jennifer's behavior to Nicole is going to be blamed on grief for Jack, why can't Nicole's behavior be blamed on grief for baby Dimera? If Jennifer was truly grieving Jack and her actions in regards to Dicole were really about "saving" Daniel because she couldn't save Jack, then Jennifer should be more understanding of Nicole and the actions she took while grieving her son. However wrong they have been.
Personally I think the difference is that Nicole has a history of doing questionable and malicious things to people for her own benefit as misguided or self interested as they might be.

I think the Salemites will have a certain amount of sympathy, but I wouldn't expect too much for the woman who married a man for cold hard cash, attempted to murder Victor, murdered Colin (?), rigged an elections, bartered a baby from a pregnant teen and traded it for her arch enemy's newborn child.
Jennifer may be getting a late start, but she's fast been building up a history of questionable, hurtful, manipulative behavior in the last couple of years. This is already her second time in jail in the last six months, so give her time.

Pretty soon, all the females in Salem will be completely interchangeable -- none of them will have scruples or integrity or much intelligence to speak of; all of them will be weak victims who must be saved by a big strong man. They'll all be involved in various geometric configurations (triangles, quandrangles, etc.) and they'll all be "torn," as they scheme and connive to beat down or screw over whoever stands between them and their favorite flavor of the month week. We're already pretty much there.

In case you haven't noticed, Tomlin is not exactly a fan of strong, independent, smart, caring and compassionate women.



When Jennifer Rose Horton plots a murder involving a toaster and a bathtub I'll buy that she's as villainous as Nicole.
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Oct 23 2012, 06:30 PM
Tomlin is not exactly a fan of strong, independent, smart, caring and compassionate women.



Seriously, I'd like to know why ThePowersThatBe (whoever/whatever they are) think that a largely female audience wants to watch characters that are weak, dependant, stupid, callous, selfish women?
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Oct 23 2012, 07:01 PM
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Oct 23 2012, 06:30 PM
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Oct 23 2012, 06:02 PM
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Oct 23 2012, 04:15 PM

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Personally I think the difference is that Nicole has a history of doing questionable and malicious things to people for her own benefit as misguided or self interested as they might be.

I think the Salemites will have a certain amount of sympathy, but I wouldn't expect too much for the woman who married a man for cold hard cash, attempted to murder Victor, murdered Colin (?), rigged an elections, bartered a baby from a pregnant teen and traded it for her arch enemy's newborn child.
Jennifer may be getting a late start, but she's fast been building up a history of questionable, hurtful, manipulative behavior in the last couple of years. This is already her second time in jail in the last six months, so give her time.

Pretty soon, all the females in Salem will be completely interchangeable -- none of them will have scruples or integrity or much intelligence to speak of; all of them will be weak victims who must be saved by a big strong man. They'll all be involved in various geometric configurations (triangles, quandrangles, etc.) and they'll all be "torn," as they scheme and connive to beat down or screw over whoever stands between them and their favorite flavor of the month week. We're already pretty much there.

In case you haven't noticed, Tomlin is not exactly a fan of strong, independent, smart, caring and compassionate women.



When Jennifer Rose Horton plots a murder involving a toaster and a bathtub I'll buy that she's as villainous as Nicole.
If Days is willing to take Jen there, I know of a few characters who need killing...
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Oct 23 2012, 12:23 PM
Nicole's grief isn't much better than Jennifer's for Jack. She's not too busy grieving to lie and set someone up for a murder that didn't happen.
I don't think that Nicole was intentionally setting up Jennifer for "murder".

Everything that happened in the episodes broadcast on USA air dates from October 5th through October 18th -- happened on one single day in Salem.

Nicole was told by the substitute doctor that her baby was dead. On the same day, Jennifer put Nicole's belongings in suitcases but screamed that Nicole couldn't leave. One the same day, Nicole fell down the stairs.

I think Nicole was in shock and in grief.

I think Nicole fell accidentally when she lost grasp of Jennifer's hand.

I don't think Nicole threw herself down the stairs.

I'm not even sure Nicole had really comprehended that her baby was dead inside her ... when all that happened. She knew intellectually but I don't think she had emotionally processed it at all!

It's possible she had blacked it out when she fell down the stairs. Her accusation against Jennifer seems understandable to me.

I think that Nicole was under duress and shock and she might have possibly even believed her own fiction that Jennifer pushed her.

Perhaps now (the next "Salem day") she is remembering that the baby was already dead when it all happened. And now she may be coming to realize that Jennifer didn't push her.

I think Nicole should be given a break due to being in shock and being afraid of being all alone.

I had no partner when I lost my own child, and I cannot ever tell you how alone and horrible I felt for so long.

Yes I know that Nicole is known to be a conniver, so therefore it's not out of character for her to connive ... but in this case, I'm more inclined to sympathize.

Nicole needs grief counseling.

I suppose that now that Nicole has told the innacurate version of the events, she feels she has to stick with her story because she doesn't want to be accused of lying -- so in typical Days fashion, she continues the lie. Sigh.
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Oct 23 2012, 07:01 PM
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Oct 23 2012, 06:30 PM
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Oct 23 2012, 06:02 PM
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Oct 23 2012, 04:15 PM

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Personally I think the difference is that Nicole has a history of doing questionable and malicious things to people for her own benefit as misguided or self interested as they might be.

I think the Salemites will have a certain amount of sympathy, but I wouldn't expect too much for the woman who married a man for cold hard cash, attempted to murder Victor, murdered Colin (?), rigged an elections, bartered a baby from a pregnant teen and traded it for her arch enemy's newborn child.
Jennifer may be getting a late start, but she's fast been building up a history of questionable, hurtful, manipulative behavior in the last couple of years. This is already her second time in jail in the last six months, so give her time.

Pretty soon, all the females in Salem will be completely interchangeable -- none of them will have scruples or integrity or much intelligence to speak of; all of them will be weak victims who must be saved by a big strong man. They'll all be involved in various geometric configurations (triangles, quandrangles, etc.) and they'll all be "torn," as they scheme and connive to beat down or screw over whoever stands between them and their favorite flavor of the month week. We're already pretty much there.

In case you haven't noticed, Tomlin is not exactly a fan of strong, independent, smart, caring and compassionate women.



When Jennifer Rose Horton plots a murder involving a toaster and a bathtub I'll buy that she's as villainous as Nicole.
Fair enough. But your earlier post mentioned "questionable and malicious" behavior, not "villainous." I'm not asserting that their past actions and character development paths (under previous writing regimes) are in any way comparable. I'm saying that these days, a lot of the females are starting to be dumbed down and turned into major shrews totally focused on chasing after a man. Tomlin is writing all of them basically the same, and then having other Salemites tell us which ones are the "bad" girls and which ones are the "good" ones.

I would think that new viewers who've only seen Jennifer in the last year or so would have a hard time figuring out whether she's a "good" girl or not. She has not done much to earn genuine sympathy -- but rather it has been left up to others around her to tell us that she's grieving, etc., etc.

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Oct 23 2012, 08:45 PM
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Oct 23 2012, 07:01 PM
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Oct 23 2012, 06:30 PM
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Oct 23 2012, 06:02 PM

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Jennifer may be getting a late start, but she's fast been building up a history of questionable, hurtful, manipulative behavior in the last couple of years. This is already her second time in jail in the last six months, so give her time.

Pretty soon, all the females in Salem will be completely interchangeable -- none of them will have scruples or integrity or much intelligence to speak of; all of them will be weak victims who must be saved by a big strong man. They'll all be involved in various geometric configurations (triangles, quandrangles, etc.) and they'll all be "torn," as they scheme and connive to beat down or screw over whoever stands between them and their favorite flavor of the month week. We're already pretty much there.

In case you haven't noticed, Tomlin is not exactly a fan of strong, independent, smart, caring and compassionate women.



When Jennifer Rose Horton plots a murder involving a toaster and a bathtub I'll buy that she's as villainous as Nicole.
If Days is willing to take Jen there, I know of a few characters who need killing...
We should meet up to discuss further. ;)
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Oct 23 2012, 04:33 PM
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Oct 23 2012, 04:21 PM
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Oct 23 2012, 04:01 PM
Jennifer is getting slack because she has friends and family. Nicole doesn't. That's always going to be an issue for Nicole because the character just doesn't really have anyone in her corner. That's a huge mistake, IMO, but it is the way it is. It wouldn't make sense for Salem to turn on Jennifer. History and relationships matter and this is why Nicole always comes out on the bottom. That won't change until they give Nicole real ties to Salem and don't murder the ties immediately after establishing them.

And bargaining with Daniel isn't the kind of bargaining noted in the stages of grief.
Agreed on the Bargaining in grief BUT first we're talking soaps and second Nicole should truly only be in the first, that one alone can take months. Which could explain Jennifer acting the way she is she's still in Denial thinkng Jack's on a Walk about :blink: That's her and Orange Glow never broke up because Jack never came back. :shrug:
You don't actually go in order.
That was a joke and secondly I am all to familiar with the steps unfortuantely it's been 4 years for me and while they don't always go in order the first is definetely first. Shock and Denial are your basic first instincts it helps for self preservation, that and alot of medication. For me it took over a month for the Denial and the shock is still with me. Pain and guilt I live with each day since my son's death, Anger and bargaining can't say I've ever had those (well I guess that would depend on who you ask on the anger side), Depression I live with continualy, dout personally I'll ever make to the 5th.

That's the reason (and yes I know it's a soap) but the sexcapade was disgusting writing about how a parent feels when they think their child died. Hope showed a better/beleivable side when Zack died, Bo's reaction was also on spot his first reaction was heartwrenching BUT he also felt the need to protect his daughter Chelsea but then that was under real writers not the idiots in charge now.

Jennifer nor Abby's reaction to Jack's death has been in anyway believable. Nicole's so far has (well until they have her schemeig to keep Daniel) now it's pathetic.
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Oct 23 2012, 04:15 PM
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Dude! Nicole framed Jennifer for killing her already dead baby!

Nicole has a history with altering the truth for her benefit and hurting (sometimes) innocent others in the process, OF COURSE she is going to be treated as the town pariah!



I know Nicole wrongfully accused Jennifer. I'm just saying that a lot of people won't be understanding of Nicole's mental state when she blamed Jennifer. She just lost her baby. If Jennifer's behavior to Nicole is going to be blamed on grief for Jack, why can't Nicole's behavior be blamed on grief for baby Dimera? If Jennifer was truly grieving Jack and her actions in regards to Dicole were really about "saving" Daniel because she couldn't save Jack, then Jennifer should be more understanding of Nicole and the actions she took while grieving her son. However wrong they have been.
Personally I think the difference is that Nicole has a history of doing questionable and malicious things to people for her own benefit as misguided or self interested as they might be.

I think the Salemites will have a certain amount of sympathy, but I wouldn't expect too much for the woman who married a man for cold hard cash, attempted to murder Victor, murdered Colin (?), rigged an elections, bartered a baby from a pregnant teen and traded it for her arch enemy's newborn child.
And Sami's done so much more but been forgiven time and time again, Why because first the sun rises and sets on Sami's twat in Salem, secondly because they are trying to make Sami someone whose changed. Sorry not in my book, if they can give Sami happiness with her harem of men, they can give Nicole a child of her own.
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Oct 24 2012, 08:53 AM
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Oct 23 2012, 06:02 PM
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Oct 23 2012, 04:15 PM
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Dude! Nicole framed Jennifer for killing her already dead baby!

Nicole has a history with altering the truth for her benefit and hurting (sometimes) innocent others in the process, OF COURSE she is going to be treated as the town pariah!



I know Nicole wrongfully accused Jennifer. I'm just saying that a lot of people won't be understanding of Nicole's mental state when she blamed Jennifer. She just lost her baby. If Jennifer's behavior to Nicole is going to be blamed on grief for Jack, why can't Nicole's behavior be blamed on grief for baby Dimera? If Jennifer was truly grieving Jack and her actions in regards to Dicole were really about "saving" Daniel because she couldn't save Jack, then Jennifer should be more understanding of Nicole and the actions she took while grieving her son. However wrong they have been.
Personally I think the difference is that Nicole has a history of doing questionable and malicious things to people for her own benefit as misguided or self interested as they might be.

I think the Salemites will have a certain amount of sympathy, but I wouldn't expect too much for the woman who married a man for cold hard cash, attempted to murder Victor, murdered Colin (?), rigged an elections, bartered a baby from a pregnant teen and traded it for her arch enemy's newborn child.
And Sami's done so much more but been forgiven time and time again, Why because first the sun rises and sets on Sami's twat in Salem, secondly because they are trying to make Sami someone whose changed. Sorry not in my book, if they can give Sami happiness with her harem of men, they can give Nicole a child of her own.
Sami isn't even remorseful over any of her crap and yet she always gets everything she wants be it Rafe/Lucas/EJ. This is why this show continues to suck, there's no equality in the treatment of all their characters.
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Oct 24 2012, 09:01 AM
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Oct 24 2012, 08:53 AM
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Oct 23 2012, 06:02 PM
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Oct 23 2012, 04:15 PM

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Personally I think the difference is that Nicole has a history of doing questionable and malicious things to people for her own benefit as misguided or self interested as they might be.

I think the Salemites will have a certain amount of sympathy, but I wouldn't expect too much for the woman who married a man for cold hard cash, attempted to murder Victor, murdered Colin (?), rigged an elections, bartered a baby from a pregnant teen and traded it for her arch enemy's newborn child.
And Sami's done so much more but been forgiven time and time again, Why because first the sun rises and sets on Sami's twat in Salem, secondly because they are trying to make Sami someone whose changed. Sorry not in my book, if they can give Sami happiness with her harem of men, they can give Nicole a child of her own.
Sami isn't even remorseful over any of her crap and yet she always gets everything she wants be it Rafe/Lucas/EJ. This is why this show continues to suck, there's no equality in the treatment of all their characters.
Day's nor Corday/Tomlin will accept that Sami will never be good as a heroine, someone that people can root for. The character has done too much to too many. If they want ratings to increase they need to make Sami back to how she was for so many years, that was when people rooted for her character because she lost, her always coming out the winner and being every man's ideal woman in Salem is making her nauseating to watch.
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Oct 24 2012, 01:22 AM
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Oct 23 2012, 07:01 PM
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Jennifer may be getting a late start, but she's fast been building up a history of questionable, hurtful, manipulative behavior in the last couple of years. This is already her second time in jail in the last six months, so give her time.

Pretty soon, all the females in Salem will be completely interchangeable -- none of them will have scruples or integrity or much intelligence to speak of; all of them will be weak victims who must be saved by a big strong man. They'll all be involved in various geometric configurations (triangles, quandrangles, etc.) and they'll all be "torn," as they scheme and connive to beat down or screw over whoever stands between them and their favorite flavor of the month week. We're already pretty much there.

In case you haven't noticed, Tomlin is not exactly a fan of strong, independent, smart, caring and compassionate women.



When Jennifer Rose Horton plots a murder involving a toaster and a bathtub I'll buy that she's as villainous as Nicole.
Fair enough. But your earlier post mentioned "questionable and malicious" behavior, not "villainous." I'm not asserting that their past actions and character development paths (under previous writing regimes) are in any way comparable. I'm saying that these days, a lot of the females are starting to be dumbed down and turned into major shrews totally focused on chasing after a man. Tomlin is writing all of them basically the same, and then having other Salemites tell us which ones are the "bad" girls and which ones are the "good" ones.

I would think that new viewers who've only seen Jennifer in the last year or so would have a hard time figuring out whether she's a "good" girl or not. She has not done much to earn genuine sympathy -- but rather it has been left up to others around her to tell us that she's grieving, etc., etc.

I completely agree that almost every woman on this show is portrayed as a weak, pathetic, lovesick and co-dependent individual. I think Kate is the only one with any claws left and that's just on a good day.

I'm not trying to defend Jennifer because I haven't liked her return outside of the first couple of weeks so she suck IMO, however, the thing is that Nicole has suffered the same character manipulation that Jenn has; Nicole is a villain that we sometimes have sympathy for, but she is a villain nonetheless.

If you have only watched the show in the past two years you would know that is who she is supposed to be since she was involved with screwing over Jen and Abe during the election. Jen, while tiresome, is shown to bitchy but 'good' although I can't for the life of me remember why she was in jail the first time, but I imagine it was due to the scheming of someone else.

Even though I think Jennifer is insufferable, I still don't see her portrayed as a 'bad' character because her motivations aren't necessarily duplicitous or malicious. Nicole on the other hand, while trying to 'change' remains the same self serving character she always has been and yet I find her begging and pleading insufferable too.


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Dude! Nicole framed Jennifer for killing her already dead baby!

Nicole has a history with altering the truth for her benefit and hurting (sometimes) innocent others in the process, OF COURSE she is going to be treated as the town pariah!



I know Nicole wrongfully accused Jennifer. I'm just saying that a lot of people won't be understanding of Nicole's mental state when she blamed Jennifer. She just lost her baby. If Jennifer's behavior to Nicole is going to be blamed on grief for Jack, why can't Nicole's behavior be blamed on grief for baby Dimera? If Jennifer was truly grieving Jack and her actions in regards to Dicole were really about "saving" Daniel because she couldn't save Jack, then Jennifer should be more understanding of Nicole and the actions she took while grieving her son. However wrong they have been.
Personally I think the difference is that Nicole has a history of doing questionable and malicious things to people for her own benefit as misguided or self interested as they might be.

I think the Salemites will have a certain amount of sympathy, but I wouldn't expect too much for the woman who married a man for cold hard cash, attempted to murder Victor, murdered Colin (?), rigged an elections, bartered a baby from a pregnant teen and traded it for her arch enemy's newborn child.
And Sami's done so much more but been forgiven time and time again, Why because first the sun rises and sets on Sami's twat in Salem, secondly because they are trying to make Sami someone whose changed. Sorry not in my book, if they can give Sami happiness with her harem of men, they can give Nicole a child of her own.
Sami, Sami, Sami....it always comes back to Sami.

I don't think for a hot second that Sami deserves anything outside of being a perpetual loser; the place where the character is at her best. The attempt to white wash her has really ruined her for the most part and even then I don't believe she deserves happiness.

Honestly I don't believe any soap character deserves anything outside of getting into and out of trouble, caused by themselves or others, which in turn entertains me. The only entity which deserves something is me; I deserve to be entertained. :shrug:
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Personally I think the difference is that Nicole has a history of doing questionable and malicious things to people for her own benefit as misguided or self interested as they might be.

I think the Salemites will have a certain amount of sympathy, but I wouldn't expect too much for the woman who married a man for cold hard cash, attempted to murder Victor, murdered Colin (?), rigged an elections, bartered a baby from a pregnant teen and traded it for her arch enemy's newborn child.
And Sami's done so much more but been forgiven time and time again, Why because first the sun rises and sets on Sami's twat in Salem, secondly because they are trying to make Sami someone whose changed. Sorry not in my book, if they can give Sami happiness with her harem of men, they can give Nicole a child of her own.
Sami isn't even remorseful over any of her crap and yet she always gets everything she wants be it Rafe/Lucas/EJ. This is why this show continues to suck, there's no equality in the treatment of all their characters.
It doesn't work because there is no mystery in the treatment of their characters.

Going in it is a case of why bother ...because Character A will be redeemed and Character B will suffer again. They should mix it up and have it so that you don't feel like you know what is going to happen from a nautical mile out.
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Does the show honestly expect us to believe that Jennifer has done all of this because of her grieving for Jack?

GMAFB...she is doing this cause she is horned up on Daniel and didn't give two shits that her husband sacraficed his own life to save their daughter.

If the writers wants us to BELIEVE that this is because of Jack, then they need to WRITE it that way and stop having the characters say it....we need to SEE IT to believe it writers and not the other way around.
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