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Nov 1 2012, 02:35 AM
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Well, I guess I can say that this show has disappointed me yet again. I was hoping for something so much more than Nick is just against them being gay because it's "wrong". How boring, and just so out of character for Nick. I can't believe they are doing this to him. So many other characters they could have gone with that would make sense...Caroline, Roman, Rafe even. But Nick? No. These writers suck. I'm not against a character being this way for the sake of drama...I'm just against it being Nick because it just makes no sense. Plus the whole...religion aspect right before he has sex with a girl he barely knows, who he is NOT married to. I can't see how they are going to throw that excuse out there without showing him as a hypocrite, unless they are doing so on purpose to show that it IS hypocritical....but then I think that is giving the writers too much credit.
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Nov 1 2012, 02:52 AM
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I think Nicks behaviour is pretty much in line with everyone in Salem. They believe stuff on paper but don't live it out if it doesn't suit them. So pretty much like people. I'm sure Sami thinks murder is wrong but shot EJ in the head. I'm sure Rafe thinks lying is wrong but was happy to lie to EJ. It's what gives soaps drama. Plus we don't actually know what Nick believes he could believe in "God" but not ascribe to a particular doctrine so Nick may actually think there is nothing wrong in sleeping with Gabi and believe what Sonny and Will do is wrong. Plus a quick search and you will find lots of Atheists who believe homosexuality is wrong.
Gabi on the other hand needs to stop fornicating ;)
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Nov 1 2012, 03:13 AM
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Nick sleeping with Gabi makes him a hypocrite and that is a problem for me. I would like for my favourites to be above that regardless of their beliefs or values. If theses are to be perceived as bad characters, let them be BAD and not make excuses for it to please the so called good characters who are quick to do bad things and hide behind their reputation. I know it may be a lot to ask for my soaps theses days to have clear lines drawn about where all these characters fall. If I want to root for someone, I want to do it because they are unabashadely bad or really good people that are not only good when it suits them.
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Nov 1 2012, 03:45 AM
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- Nov 1 2012, 02:52 AM
I think Nicks behaviour is pretty much in line with everyone in Salem. They believe stuff on paper but don't live it out if it doesn't suit them. So pretty much like people. I'm sure Sami thinks murder is wrong but shot EJ in the head. I'm sure Rafe thinks lying is wrong but was happy to lie to EJ. It's what gives soaps drama. Plus we don't actually know what Nick believes he could believe in "God" but not ascribe to a particular doctrine so Nick may actually think there is nothing wrong in sleeping with Gabi and believe what Sonny and Will do is wrong. Plus a quick search and you will find lots of Atheists who believe homosexuality is wrong. Gabi on the other hand needs to stop fornicating ;) The problem is that the moment he brings up God and that he believes it is wrong what Sonny and Will are doing....he is bringing the Bible into it. Because otherwise how would he know. I'm not sure what other point of reference he'd be using. He is going by what the Bible says and if he is...then he is a hypocrite because he is committing a sin by having sex with Gabi....not to mention when he had sex with Billie while he was dating her daughter. Like I said...I don't have a problem with anyone on the show really having this viewpoint...I actually had the very same one up until about a year ago. But I do have a problem with Nick saying he thinks that it is wrong (bringing up God) and then sleeping with a girl he barely knows right after. I guess I wouldn't have such a problem if they had just left God out of it. Or if he didn't sleep with Gaby right away. Like you said...some Atheists have a problem with it so it could have just been that he thought it was wrong...period. But bringing in religion kind of opens a whole can of worms when that character is only going to pick and choose the things from the Bible that he wants to follow. Maybe they are doing it on purpose, to point out the hypocrisy, but I just don't think the writers are that smart. Maybe I'm wrong. :shrug:
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Nov 1 2012, 06:58 AM
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Nicks motivations dont matter to me. I think it is very real that atleast one person on the show would have a problem with there realtionship although i was waiting for that religious person to be eric
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Nov 1 2012, 07:47 AM
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I like Nick and Gabby but their rush to the bedroom in such a short time lacks credibilty for the pairing. TomSell know dicks about romance. So what if Nick saved her from jail time for blackmailing chad's mouth shut, b/c the is really what it came down too. Was Nick homophobe reaction to Will bein gay was suppose to be an obstacle for two of them to fall into bed. I have no fucking clue what that scene was really about. Apologizing yes, explaining yes, then let's get hot and heavy--- too much in one scene if you ask me
Rush! Rush! Rush!-- TomSell picking up where MarDar left off. How come I can't accept all this insta crap?
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Nov 1 2012, 08:15 AM
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Character motivation doesn't matter? Since when. Just to have Nick bein a homophobe to create conflict makes zero sense if it doesn't align with who his character is. He's never been shown to be a religious diehard or believer. Caroline makes sense heck even Sami being against Wills being gay would have made more sense than this. I am sure it's all being done so that Nick agrees or convinces Gabi to keep the baby away from Will and Sonny. Now if they wanted to make Nick a homophobe, there was plenty of legitimate reasons, such as possibly him being abused or raped in prison and those events turning him.it also would have created more story for Nick but everything from Nicks past seems to have been forgotten as he is strictly being used to create conflict for Will and Sonny.
I don't mind Gabi and Will, but Nicks return has turned into a huge disappointment to me at this point after starting out so promising.
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Nov 1 2012, 08:26 AM
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- Oct 31 2012, 09:59 PM
Kristen looked great in her last outfit i saw not so much her first couple. I think nicole looked great too. But then you have sami and marlena and jen who are usually dressed horrible Kristen and Nicole have the figures that can wear ANYTHING and look fantastic! Sami--needs to buy the next size up--Jen needs to wear clothes for her age, stay out of Grandma's closet and Marlena always looks nice, just nothing I would be interested in wearing.. :smile: They are all beautiful women though!
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Nov 1 2012, 08:34 AM
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Talking about figure's. Boy of boy, did Nicole's body return to her insta pre-form self in a matter of a few days? She was looking a slim and trim as ever in the epi. I know, it only works that fast on soaps, they make everything so believable. :sarcasm:
Call me a bitch, but I think Nicole is going to grieve and go crazy over losing Daniel, more than over losing her Baby. :frownie:
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Nov 1 2012, 10:06 AM
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I think Nicks behaviour is pretty much in line with everyone in Salem. They believe stuff on paper but don't live it out if it doesn't suit them. So pretty much like people. I'm sure Sami thinks murder is wrong but shot EJ in the head. I'm sure Rafe thinks lying is wrong but was happy to lie to EJ. It's what gives soaps drama. Plus we don't actually know what Nick believes he could believe in "God" but not ascribe to a particular doctrine so Nick may actually think there is nothing wrong in sleeping with Gabi and believe what Sonny and Will do is wrong. Plus a quick search and you will find lots of Atheists who believe homosexuality is wrong. Gabi on the other hand needs to stop fornicating ;)
The problem is that the moment he brings up God and that he believes it is wrong what Sonny and Will are doing....he is bringing the Bible into it. Because otherwise how would he know. I'm not sure what other point of reference he'd be using. He is going by what the Bible says and if he is...then he is a hypocrite because he is committing a sin by having sex with Gabi....not to mention when he had sex with Billie while he was dating her daughter. Like I said...I don't have a problem with anyone on the show really having this viewpoint...I actually had the very same one up until about a year ago. But I do have a problem with Nick saying he thinks that it is wrong (bringing up God) and then sleeping with a girl he barely knows right after. I guess I wouldn't have such a problem if they had just left God out of it. Or if he didn't sleep with Gaby right away. Like you said...some Atheists have a problem with it so it could have just been that he thought it was wrong...period. But bringing in religion kind of opens a whole can of worms when that character is only going to pick and choose the things from the Bible that he wants to follow. Maybe they are doing it on purpose, to point out the hypocrisy, but I just don't think the writers are that smart. Maybe I'm wrong. :shrug: Totally get what you're saying. The thing is it's just what they do in Salem. The town couldn't function without hypocrisy and inconsistency.
I'm sure there are plenty of people who believe certain things God says and have never picked up a Bible let alone read it, so Nick having these opinions and then doing something that you'd think would conflict with those set of values I think is quite normal. It would be good if someone called him on it, properly, but this is Salem so who knows.
Like you said this opens a big ole can of worms. I do find all this fascinating though so let's see what the writers come up with.
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Nov 1 2012, 10:13 AM
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- Oct 31 2012, 02:51 PM
This dialogue is so wrong!!! John did not fall back in love with Marlena, he was always in love with her!! That has always been one of the things J&M fans have loved about them. Stop rewriting history to fit your new crap goddamnit!!
:soapbox: Exactly!!!!! John and Marlena NEVER stopped loving one another!!! And no matter how these writers want to spin it, no true fan will believe it!!!! Why don't they get it!!
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Nov 1 2012, 10:37 AM
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I think Nicks behaviour is pretty much in line with everyone in Salem. They believe stuff on paper but don't live it out if it doesn't suit them. So pretty much like people. I'm sure Sami thinks murder is wrong but shot EJ in the head. I'm sure Rafe thinks lying is wrong but was happy to lie to EJ. It's what gives soaps drama. Plus we don't actually know what Nick believes he could believe in "God" but not ascribe to a particular doctrine so Nick may actually think there is nothing wrong in sleeping with Gabi and believe what Sonny and Will do is wrong. Plus a quick search and you will find lots of Atheists who believe homosexuality is wrong. Gabi on the other hand needs to stop fornicating ;) Exactly. Yes, Nick's behavior is hypocritical, but it is very true to life. I have come across many, many people in life who believe homosexuality is wrong based on religious grounds, yet they themselves engage in other behaviors that the Bible also forbids. So, in that sense, I don't have a problem with how they wrote that scene. As another poster said, it would be nice if someone pointed this out to Nick, but I won't count on it.
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Nov 1 2012, 10:44 AM
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I think Nicks behaviour is pretty much in line with everyone in Salem. They believe stuff on paper but don't live it out if it doesn't suit them. So pretty much like people. I'm sure Sami thinks murder is wrong but shot EJ in the head. I'm sure Rafe thinks lying is wrong but was happy to lie to EJ. It's what gives soaps drama. Plus we don't actually know what Nick believes he could believe in "God" but not ascribe to a particular doctrine so Nick may actually think there is nothing wrong in sleeping with Gabi and believe what Sonny and Will do is wrong. Plus a quick search and you will find lots of Atheists who believe homosexuality is wrong. Gabi on the other hand needs to stop fornicating ;)
The problem is that the moment he brings up God and that he believes it is wrong what Sonny and Will are doing....he is bringing the Bible into it. Because otherwise how would he know. I'm not sure what other point of reference he'd be using. He is going by what the Bible says and if he is...then he is a hypocrite because he is committing a sin by having sex with Gabi....not to mention when he had sex with Billie while he was dating her daughter. Like I said...I don't have a problem with anyone on the show really having this viewpoint...I actually had the very same one up until about a year ago. But I do have a problem with Nick saying he thinks that it is wrong (bringing up God) and then sleeping with a girl he barely knows right after. I guess I wouldn't have such a problem if they had just left God out of it. Or if he didn't sleep with Gaby right away. Like you said...some Atheists have a problem with it so it could have just been that he thought it was wrong...period. But bringing in religion kind of opens a whole can of worms when that character is only going to pick and choose the things from the Bible that he wants to follow. Maybe they are doing it on purpose, to point out the hypocrisy, but I just don't think the writers are that smart. Maybe I'm wrong. :shrug:
Totally get what you're saying. The thing is it's just what they do in Salem. The town couldn't function without hypocrisy and inconsistency. I'm sure there are plenty of people who believe certain things God says and have never picked up a Bible let alone read it, so Nick having these opinions and then doing something that you'd think would conflict with those set of values I think is quite normal. It would be good if someone called him on it, properly, but this is Salem so who knows. Like you said this opens a big ole can of worms. I do find all this fascinating though so let's see what the writers come up with. Maybe it would have worked better if Nick had mentioned his new-found insights about God and right and wrong before this conversation. For example, he could have mentioned his general change of heart to Melanie or Julie or even Gabi. It would have paved the way to this more specific view he's suddenly expressing now. Too bad the writers aren't into layering and taking their time. They try to fit too much into one scene or episode.
Maybe if they'd cut out a few scenes about the twosie, they could have fit more dialogue into some other scenes. :shrug:
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Nov 1 2012, 10:53 AM
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I think Nicks behaviour is pretty much in line with everyone in Salem. They believe stuff on paper but don't live it out if it doesn't suit them. So pretty much like people. I'm sure Sami thinks murder is wrong but shot EJ in the head. I'm sure Rafe thinks lying is wrong but was happy to lie to EJ. It's what gives soaps drama. Plus we don't actually know what Nick believes he could believe in "God" but not ascribe to a particular doctrine so Nick may actually think there is nothing wrong in sleeping with Gabi and believe what Sonny and Will do is wrong. Plus a quick search and you will find lots of Atheists who believe homosexuality is wrong. Gabi on the other hand needs to stop fornicating ;)
The problem is that the moment he brings up God and that he believes it is wrong what Sonny and Will are doing....he is bringing the Bible into it. Because otherwise how would he know. I'm not sure what other point of reference he'd be using. He is going by what the Bible says and if he is...then he is a hypocrite because he is committing a sin by having sex with Gabi....not to mention when he had sex with Billie while he was dating her daughter. Like I said...I don't have a problem with anyone on the show really having this viewpoint...I actually had the very same one up until about a year ago. But I do have a problem with Nick saying he thinks that it is wrong (bringing up God) and then sleeping with a girl he barely knows right after. I guess I wouldn't have such a problem if they had just left God out of it. Or if he didn't sleep with Gaby right away. Like you said...some Atheists have a problem with it so it could have just been that he thought it was wrong...period. But bringing in religion kind of opens a whole can of worms when that character is only going to pick and choose the things from the Bible that he wants to follow. Maybe they are doing it on purpose, to point out the hypocrisy, but I just don't think the writers are that smart. Maybe I'm wrong. :shrug:
Totally get what you're saying. The thing is it's just what they do in Salem. The town couldn't function without hypocrisy and inconsistency. I'm sure there are plenty of people who believe certain things God says and have never picked up a Bible let alone read it, so Nick having these opinions and then doing something that you'd think would conflict with those set of values I think is quite normal. It would be good if someone called him on it, properly, but this is Salem so who knows. Like you said this opens a big ole can of worms. I do find all this fascinating though so let's see what the writers come up with.
Maybe it would have worked better if Nick had mentioned his new-found insights about God and right and wrong before this conversation. For example, he could have mentioned his general change of heart to Melanie or Julie or even Gabi. It would have paved the way to this more specific view he's suddenly expressing now. Too bad the writers aren't into layering and taking their time. They try to fit too much into one scene or episode. Maybe if they'd cut out a few scenes about the twosie, they could have fit more dialogue into some other scenes. :shrug: We should never stop talking about twosies!
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Nov 1 2012, 10:55 AM
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OKay I'll bite what's C-A-B :P And you're right he does seem to only manhandle Nicole, they truly are tearing EJOLE apart completely I can't stomach EJ this way, which I guess is good because I can't watch Scami or anything to do with her so if EJ's in her orbit less to FF thru.
Choke-a-bitch. It sucks to see your couple torn apart in horrific ways. Believe, I know. You can at least take solace in the fact that Ejole is not shooting each other in the head or placing strangers in each other's beds, LOL.
Gotta a great point there they seem to be doing the bed bit on there own :blink: I'm truly disgusted with every aspect of the show at this point I can barely read the crap, I was watching on you tube and gave that up. Doubt they'll ever get me back as a viewer just like coming here and disgussing with all of you, I even FF through reading :P
I have definitely been where you are right now - and will likely be back there again. There have been times I've wondered why I still watch and why I bother talking about it here but the bottom line is - I enjoy hashing over it with our little gang here. Good or bad - whether we agree or disagree - I can't seem to shake it. And truth be told - some of the most fun I've had on this board is when I've been most disillusioned with the show. Snarking is so much more fun when you really and truly can't find a good thing to say. Hang in there. Even if you never feel compelled to go back to watching the show I do enjoy your posts and hope you'll find some fun in talking or bitching about it with all of us. Agreed. I remember you from Sony and the danloe thread way back when, and I'm glad you made your way over here. :)
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Nov 1 2012, 11:14 AM
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OKay I'll bite what's C-A-B :P And you're right he does seem to only manhandle Nicole, they truly are tearing EJOLE apart completely I can't stomach EJ this way, which I guess is good because I can't watch Scami or anything to do with her so if EJ's in her orbit less to FF thru.
Choke-a-bitch. It sucks to see your couple torn apart in horrific ways. Believe, I know. You can at least take solace in the fact that Ejole is not shooting each other in the head or placing strangers in each other's beds, LOL.
Gotta a great point there they seem to be doing the bed bit on there own :blink: I'm truly disgusted with every aspect of the show at this point I can barely read the crap, I was watching on you tube and gave that up. Doubt they'll ever get me back as a viewer just like coming here and disgussing with all of you, I even FF through reading :P
I have definitely been where you are right now - and will likely be back there again. There have been times I've wondered why I still watch and why I bother talking about it here but the bottom line is - I enjoy hashing over it with our little gang here. Good or bad - whether we agree or disagree - I can't seem to shake it. And truth be told - some of the most fun I've had on this board is when I've been most disillusioned with the show. Snarking is so much more fun when you really and truly can't find a good thing to say. Hang in there. Even if you never feel compelled to go back to watching the show I do enjoy your posts and hope you'll find some fun in talking or bitching about it with all of us. Thank you and to you as well, what you said is exactly how I feel. I enjoy discussing the mess alot more than watching or reading it and rooting for any of it. This board is like watching a bad movie with friends, it's so bad you actually talk while the movie's still on saying :blink: Why haven't we turned this off already??? We just need a bottle of wine and some snacks and I'd say we're there. :P
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Talking about figure's. Boy of boy, did Nicole's body return to her insta pre-form self in a matter of a few days? She was looking a slim and trim as ever in the epi. I know, it only works that fast on soaps, they make everything so believable. :sarcasm: Call me a bitch, but I think Nicole is going to grieve and go crazy over losing Daniel, more than over losing her Baby. :frownie: I think Nicole is using Daniel as a way to not focus on losing her baby. Brady called Daniel her lastest obsession (funny Kristen referred to Sami as EJ's obesession still mirroring each other) and moving away wasn't going to solve her problems, her problems would still be with her. And she did start to take Brady's words to heart.
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I think nicole is obsessed over the life she could have with daniel not so much daniel himself. Someone who has a career and could be true to her give her a family
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Gotta a great point there they seem to be doing the bed bit on there own :blink: I'm truly disgusted with every aspect of the show at this point I can barely read the crap, I was watching on you tube and gave that up. Doubt they'll ever get me back as a viewer just like coming here and disgussing with all of you, I even FF through reading :P
I have definitely been where you are right now - and will likely be back there again. There have been times I've wondered why I still watch and why I bother talking about it here but the bottom line is - I enjoy hashing over it with our little gang here. Good or bad - whether we agree or disagree - I can't seem to shake it. And truth be told - some of the most fun I've had on this board is when I've been most disillusioned with the show. Snarking is so much more fun when you really and truly can't find a good thing to say. Hang in there. Even if you never feel compelled to go back to watching the show I do enjoy your posts and hope you'll find some fun in talking or bitching about it with all of us.
Thank you and to you as well, what you said is exactly how I feel. I enjoy discussing the mess alot more than watching or reading it and rooting for any of it. This board is like watching a bad movie with friends, it's so bad you actually talk while the movie's still on saying :blink: Why haven't we turned this off already??? We just need a bottle of wine and some snacks and I'd say we're there. :P This^! And to the poster before me, spot on! Nicole still has never said she loves Daniel, and I think that's because she just wants a family man, not necessarily Daniel.
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Nov 1 2012, 12:11 PM
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There goes EJ manhandling Nicole like he did when Tomlin was there before.
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