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Friday, November 2nd Daily Discussion
Topic Started: Nov 1 2012, 01:23 PM (9,766 Views)
LanaluvsBroe
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So let me get this straight...all that whining and bitching Jennifer did about Nicole taking her away from her children and yet now she's willing to abandon her fatherless children for Saint Daniel?!! Are they serious with this garbage??

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Alice's house - Part 2: Jen goes over to a picture of she and Jack. You know Daniel and I were starting something so sweet together when Jack came back. From day one he stepped aside and let me decide and I chose Jack. Hope - He was the father of your children. You were still married to him and you loved him. Jen - Yeah. I was barely there for Daniel when he found out that he had to give up surgery. The fact that he was a surgeon was the only reason I was alive to be with Jack. And here he is, he's doing it again. He's not even asking what's in it for him; he's not asking what he could lose by doing this. All he wants is to save me so now I need to be that person for him. He's alone in this and he needs me.


Since when the fuck was she still married to Jack? She divorced him 4 months after returning to Salem - something she had no problem throwing in Jack's face the minute she saw him. The whole time she was dating Daniel she was single. I am so tired of Tomlin's rewritten garbage. I am not stupid and I have not forgotten what happened last year. Stop trying to force feed me your rewritten version of history, Tomlin. She was not married, she did not dump him. She made herself the prize in a dating game. He dumped her. Repeatedly.

Lucas/Sonny/Will - FU Tomlin. :flipoff:
Edited by LanaluvsBroe, Nov 1 2012, 05:01 PM.
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Romancer66


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Nov 1 2012, 04:29 PM
Jen get the fuck away from Jack's photo when you're singing Dr Dipshit's praises. Thank-you
And when you're telling Hope how "alone" poor, defenseless Daniel is and how much he "needs" you, when you let the man in the photograph suffer all by himself with PTSD when he needed you most. Gawd, third-run Jennifer is the absolute pits as a character. Shallow, fickle, selfish, hypocritical . . . nothing at all like the heroine she once was.
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Romancer66
Nov 1 2012, 04:40 PM
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Nov 1 2012, 04:29 PM
Jen get the fuck away from Jack's photo when you're singing Dr Dipshit's praises. Thank-you
And when you're telling Hope how "alone" poor, defenseless Daniel is and how much he "needs" you, when you let the man in the photograph suffer all by himself with PTSD when he needed you most. Gawd, third-run Jennifer is the absolute pits as a character. Shallow, fickle, selfish, hypocritical . . . nothing at all like the heroine she once was.
Now, now, we're not supposed to remember any of that happened. Tomlin sure doesn't. :flipoff:
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Alice's house - Part 2: Jen goes over to a picture of she and Jack. You know Daniel and I were starting something so sweet together when Jack came back. From day one he stepped aside and let me decide and I chose Jack. Hope - He was the father of your children. You were still married to him and you loved him. Jen - Yeah. I was barely there for Daniel when he found out that he had to give up surgery. The fact that he was a surgeon was the only reason I was alive to be with Jack. And here he is, he's doing it again. He's not even asking what's in it for him; he's not asking what he could lose by doing this. All he wants is to save me so now I need to be that person for him. He's alone in this and he needs me.


Wow, there is so much revisionist history and sheer audacious hypocrisy in this one scene, it took my breath away -- maybe because I was gagging. So Tomlin is not only re-writing MarDar's stuff but also his own previously sanctioned storylines. Does anyone on this writing team bother to go back and check or do they have as much contempt for the facts as they do for us viewers?

As for Daniel being alone, he has Maggie, Victor, Maxine, and Brady in his corner, to name a few. Jack had no one until he turned to Marlena, his paid therapist. He certainly never had Jennifer fighting for him until he went out and "fixed" himself.

Oy! If they're going to try to garner sympathy and "rootabillity" for this story and these characters, the writers really need to stop with the lies, hypocrisy and ridiculous rewrites.

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annie21
Nov 1 2012, 05:05 PM
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Alice's house - Part 2: Jen goes over to a picture of she and Jack. You know Daniel and I were starting something so sweet together when Jack came back. From day one he stepped aside and let me decide and I chose Jack. Hope - He was the father of your children. You were still married to him and you loved him. Jen - Yeah. I was barely there for Daniel when he found out that he had to give up surgery. The fact that he was a surgeon was the only reason I was alive to be with Jack. And here he is, he's doing it again. He's not even asking what's in it for him; he's not asking what he could lose by doing this. All he wants is to save me so now I need to be that person for him. He's alone in this and he needs me.


Wow, there is so much revisionist history and sheer audacious hypocrisy in this one scene, it took my breath away -- maybe because I was gagging. So Tomlin is not only re-writing MarDar's stuff but also his own previously sanctioned storylines. Does anyone on this writing team bother to go back and check or do they have as much contempt for the facts as they do for us viewers?

As for Daniel being alone, he has Maggie, Victor, Maxine, and Brady in his corner, to name a few. Jack had no one until he turned to Marlena, his paid therapist. He certainly never had Jennifer fighting for him until he went out and "fixed" himself.

Oy! If they're going to try to garner sympathy and "rootabillity" for this story and these characters, the writers really need to stop with the lies, hypocrisy and ridiculous rewrites.

Did we ever get a scene with Jack and his beloved sister? I know we didn't get a scene with Jack and his namesake nephew, only after he died did Sonny acknowledge a loss there. We barely got any scenes with Jack and Abby, though the ones we did were excellent. But the writers seemed to want us to forget that Jack had deep ties to the canvas and people who loved him. Or perhaps they just forgot. :angry:
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LanaluvsBroe
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From day one he stepped aside and let me decide and I chose Jack.


I'm sorry...what the fuck is this shit? From day one he didn't give a damn about Jack or his suffering. And when he realized he had to fight for you, he suggested a stupid ass dating. And when realized it was a game he couldn't win he dumped your ass. He didn't let you choose shit. He walked away when he realized couldn't win. This is such utter bullshit. :flipoff:
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Bring back Jack!

Right. People like Maggie and Bo & Hope who'd know Jack for years and years were all so worried about how Daniel was feeling about Jack's return yet not one of them asked how Jack was doing or took the time to talk to him about his feelings after being tortured for a year. Even Rafe who didn't even know Jack asked how he was doing and suggested therapy. Just because they pretend Jack only existed in Jennifer's orbit doesn't mean we'll all forget he has more ties than Daniel will ever have (and they don't need to "create" false ties to try and make him relevant).
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annie21


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Nov 1 2012, 05:10 PM
annie21
Nov 1 2012, 05:05 PM
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Alice's house - Part 2: Jen goes over to a picture of she and Jack. You know Daniel and I were starting something so sweet together when Jack came back. From day one he stepped aside and let me decide and I chose Jack. Hope - He was the father of your children. You were still married to him and you loved him. Jen - Yeah. I was barely there for Daniel when he found out that he had to give up surgery. The fact that he was a surgeon was the only reason I was alive to be with Jack. And here he is, he's doing it again. He's not even asking what's in it for him; he's not asking what he could lose by doing this. All he wants is to save me so now I need to be that person for him. He's alone in this and he needs me.


Wow, there is so much revisionist history and sheer audacious hypocrisy in this one scene, it took my breath away -- maybe because I was gagging. So Tomlin is not only re-writing MarDar's stuff but also his own previously sanctioned storylines. Does anyone on this writing team bother to go back and check or do they have as much contempt for the facts as they do for us viewers?

As for Daniel being alone, he has Maggie, Victor, Maxine, and Brady in his corner, to name a few. Jack had no one until he turned to Marlena, his paid therapist. He certainly never had Jennifer fighting for him until he went out and "fixed" himself.

Oy! If they're going to try to garner sympathy and "rootabillity" for this story and these characters, the writers really need to stop with the lies, hypocrisy and ridiculous rewrites.

Did we ever get a scene with Jack and his beloved sister? I know we didn't get a scene with Jack and his namesake nephew, only after he died did Sonny acknowledge a loss there. We barely got any scenes with Jack and Abby, though the ones we did were excellent. But the writers seemed to want us to forget that Jack had deep ties to the canvas and people who loved him. Or perhaps they just forgot. :angry:
The first person Jack interacted with upon returning to Salem was Adrienne. She was ecstatic to see him. She turned out to be the only one. They had one more scene (with Justin) and then she was gone. After that, Jack was pretty much isolated from the rest of Salem for months.

Adrienne only re-appeared after he died.

Edited by annie21, Nov 1 2012, 05:21 PM.
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Dreamer
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Honeybees
Nov 1 2012, 05:10 PM
annie21
Nov 1 2012, 05:05 PM
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Alice's house - Part 2: Jen goes over to a picture of she and Jack. You know Daniel and I were starting something so sweet together when Jack came back. From day one he stepped aside and let me decide and I chose Jack. Hope - He was the father of your children. You were still married to him and you loved him. Jen - Yeah. I was barely there for Daniel when he found out that he had to give up surgery. The fact that he was a surgeon was the only reason I was alive to be with Jack. And here he is, he's doing it again. He's not even asking what's in it for him; he's not asking what he could lose by doing this. All he wants is to save me so now I need to be that person for him. He's alone in this and he needs me.


Wow, there is so much revisionist history and sheer audacious hypocrisy in this one scene, it took my breath away -- maybe because I was gagging. So Tomlin is not only re-writing MarDar's stuff but also his own previously sanctioned storylines. Does anyone on this writing team bother to go back and check or do they have as much contempt for the facts as they do for us viewers?

As for Daniel being alone, he has Maggie, Victor, Maxine, and Brady in his corner, to name a few. Jack had no one until he turned to Marlena, his paid therapist. He certainly never had Jennifer fighting for him until he went out and "fixed" himself.

Oy! If they're going to try to garner sympathy and "rootabillity" for this story and these characters, the writers really need to stop with the lies, hypocrisy and ridiculous rewrites.

Did we ever get a scene with Jack and his beloved sister? I know we didn't get a scene with Jack and his namesake nephew, only after he died did Sonny acknowledge a loss there. We barely got any scenes with Jack and Abby, though the ones we did were excellent. But the writers seemed to want us to forget that Jack had deep ties to the canvas and people who loved him. Or perhaps they just forgot. :angry:
Never mind blood ties , Jack was good friends with Hope & Bo & Abe & Lexie, John & Marlena, Maggie. Doug & Julie, Sami, maybe even Roman.

No jonas', no hernandez, no dimera's or kiriakas

Jack was ignored by almost all of them, accept for a few nano second worth of scenes in his last go.

Jack was operating solo. still think that MA was never meant for a longterm SL. PTSD and an obstacle for Dannifer. that's it. JNJ were not endgame, MARDAR were forced to change their SL last December and that is why all we got was shit.
Edited by Dreamer, Nov 2 2012, 10:53 AM.
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Dreamer
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This Hope & Jen & Dan stuff reminds me of the day in the spring when I tuned in to see J&J insta reunite with no SOD or lead up.
I clearly remembering PM'ing Mitch with shock about how it came out of the blue an with in a couple of scenes it was all done, neat and tidy.
All was forgotten and forgiven. Today, I feel the same way. Shocked to see blantant ignorance by the shows writing team.

How can CORDAY stand by and let this happen, Where Meng? All TIIC are hiding... afraid to face the fans.
Edited by Dreamer, Nov 1 2012, 05:31 PM.
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The Lucas\Will\Sonny scenes do seem to be the highlight of Friday's episode. I'm not convinced someone had to play the role of the bigoted, unapproving family member as I don't think it's unrealistic the way any of Will's family reacted to the news this past spring. That being said, if someone has to be the thorn in Will's side, Lucas is probably the most realistic choice. Marlena is a psychiatrist and she would never react negatively. Kate's history should have purged any homophobia from her years ago. Sami is too self-absorbed and too concerned about her harem of men to devote much emotion or energy to objecting to Will's life. That leaves Lucas since no one else shares a reasonably close relationship to Will. That being said, Lucas is being bludgeoned from a character standpoint. He is coming across as a meddling, hateful, hypocritical douche bag that is an extremely bad judge of character. Will is in his second year of college for crying out loud. He is more than old enough to live his own life as well as make and learn from any mistakes along the way. So, I am glad he ripped in to his father. I hope Sami and Kate receive a chance to tear into Lucas as he definitely crossed a line.

We now have a second instance where Will seeks sex to cope with problems in his life, namely an argument with Lucas. Is this going to become a pattern of behavior with him?

I simply do not and will never care about Jennifer and Daniel's relationship.
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Lucas painting Sonny as an experienced gay man, that has had tons of lovers and is using Qill and his "newness" as a gay virgin man as something of interest. And when Sonny gets what he wants, he'll be done with you.

Really where did all that come from. Did we ever get to see Sonny the slutty whore?
I'm sorry... the dialogue in this SL was awful.
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Nov 1 2012, 05:35 PM
Lucas painting Sonny as an experienced gay man, that has had tons of lovers and is using Qill and his "newness" as a gay virgin man as something of interest. And when Sonny gets what he wants, he'll be done with you.

Really where did all that come from. Did we ever get to see Sonny the slutty whore?
I'm sorry... the dialogue in this SL was awful.
We heard that Sonny had a date with one of the "day gays" from last winter, but it apparently didn't work out. Dustin was his name. Otherwise, Sonny's been portrayed as absurdly sexless. Apparently, he's had lovers offscreen, but we've certainly never heard or seen them before this.
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Blake Berris seemed mighty uncomfortable saying his lines today in bed with Gabi. They didn't come off are real or genuine at all. IMO Berris stumbled with the dialogue, anybody else think this? It was awkward, that is why I can 't believe he really loves her. :shame:

Nick and Gabi had possibilities in my book, but the writers just keep take al l the good things away......
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Can't wait to see the Will/Sonny/Lucas/Kate stuff tomorrow. The writing for this story has gotten even that much better that past couple of weeks :smile: . On one hand I hate the way they are writing Lucas but he is playing the role of how many parents sadly do react so I do give the show props for this. Lucas to me never came around to Will being gay even though he tried to say he did. Actions speak louder than words and he has never seemed comfortable. Everything Will says to Lucas is spot on. Then what Lucas says in return was just demoralizing and cruel. I am not saying Will is right but I can see why he reacts the way he does toward Sonny.

Kate on the other hand respectfully just told Sonny that she only wants what is best for them and doesn't want Sonny to push Will for something he's not ready for. If Will is ready than so be it. I love how Sonny kisses Kate on the cheek. That is a stand up guy.

Damn the argument between Will and Sonny sounds incredible. The writing just awesome. Again, Will needs to learn how to not let others bate him but when his own father basically spits in his face and makes him feel lower than dirt it's no wonder. Glad Sonny at least admitted he has brought at least a guy back to his apartment and inferred in a sexual manner. But glad he showed Will the door. Even know Sonny knows Will only said what he did because of what Lucas said, Sonny still feels hurt. Will and Sonny are the most real couple on this show right now. Something isn't clicking there.

Nick and Gabi had potential but they are far too rushed. I don't buy their relationship and the chemistry I felt early on seems to be lost for me now.

TFP
Edited by michr544125, Nov 1 2012, 05:49 PM.
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I know it won't happen, but I wish Will would say something to Lucas to the effect of "Did you think Neil and I were playing checkers on all our dates? That was a hookup. Sonny's my boyfriend." But at least they seem to be acknowledging that Sonny had a sex life this past year, albeit off screen.
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I think Daniel and Maxine would be interesting. "Daxine", anyone? or Maniel? She always tallks about how great he is.
Edited by Daysdegrassi, Nov 1 2012, 06:49 PM.
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If Lucas is this overbearing with Will and his boyfriend, I cannot imagine how BSC he will become once Allie starts dating. He will probably lock her in a chastity belt and still stand guard beside her with a shotgun.
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Nov 1 2012, 06:55 PM
If Lucas is this overbearing with Will and his boyfriend, I cannot imagine how BSC he will become once Allie starts dating. He will probably lock her in a chastity belt and still stand guard beside her with a shotgun.
Hey he is Kate's son, I can see him offering Will and Allie's beaus poisoned apple juice or chocolate chip cookies. He taught sami how to bake them years ago for Will. I wonder if EJ will order hits on Sydney and Johnny's dates if they treat them badly?
Edited by appleblossom, Nov 1 2012, 09:35 PM.
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appleblossom
Nov 1 2012, 09:34 PM
LonePirate
Nov 1 2012, 06:55 PM
If Lucas is this overbearing with Will and his boyfriend, I cannot imagine how BSC he will become once Allie starts dating. He will probably lock her in a chastity belt and still stand guard beside her with a shotgun.
Hey he is Kate's son, I can see him offering Will and Allie's beaus poisoned apple juice or chocolate chip cookies. He taught sami how to bake them years ago for Will. I wonder if EJ will order hits on Sydney and Johnny's dates if they treat them badly?
I'm curious at how Allie will turn out will she be like sami/lucas who had issues with there perfect siblings carrie and austin.Since Allie seems to get lost in the shuffle at times with JOhnny/Sydney
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