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Friday, November 2nd Daily Discussion
Topic Started: Nov 1 2012, 01:23 PM (9,765 Views)
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annie21
Nov 1 2012, 05:05 PM
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Alice's house - Part 2: Jen goes over to a picture of she and Jack. You know Daniel and I were starting something so sweet together when Jack came back. From day one he stepped aside and let me decide and I chose Jack. Hope - He was the father of your children. You were still married to him and you loved him. Jen - Yeah. I was barely there for Daniel when he found out that he had to give up surgery. The fact that he was a surgeon was the only reason I was alive to be with Jack. And here he is, he's doing it again. He's not even asking what's in it for him; he's not asking what he could lose by doing this. All he wants is to save me so now I need to be that person for him. He's alone in this and he needs me.


Wow, there is so much revisionist history and sheer audacious hypocrisy in this one scene, it took my breath away -- maybe because I was gagging. So Tomlin is not only re-writing MarDar's stuff but also his own previously sanctioned storylines. Does anyone on this writing team bother to go back and check or do they have as much contempt for the facts as they do for us viewers?

As for Daniel being alone, he has Maggie, Victor, Maxine, and Brady in his corner, to name a few. Jack had no one until he turned to Marlena, his paid therapist. He certainly never had Jennifer fighting for him until he went out and "fixed" himself.

Oy! If they're going to try to garner sympathy and "rootabillity" for this story and these characters, the writers really need to stop with the lies, hypocrisy and ridiculous rewrites.

It's just so frigging frustrating. This story is so bad that Tomlin has to change HIS OWN writing to try to make sense of it. It's so stupid when there is already a fantastic story there for the begging: An attempt to redeem Jennibitch with a Jack return. Why can't these idiot writers see this. It's staring them in the face! :soapbox:
Instead we are now told that Jennifer was still married when she and Dan had their affair. Does this mean they didn't bond when they accidentally swapped divorce papers? Still Dan prefers cheating women to single women, so maybe the change of canon is for his benefit. Ugh. It gets worse and worse.
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I understand new writters wanting to undo or change something previous writters did but the 180 they are doing is awful. I would have much prefered them to slowly take the show in a new direction than play the viewers as fools like we havent seen what is going on the last year
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I just recently watched the scenes that aired in late May (2012) -- yes this spring -- where Abby explains to Cameron that her parents (who appear giddy in love) are divorced and are re-engaged. What's up with that, Tomlin? I realize this was a MarDar scene, but MarDar were referring to the divorce that Tomlin himself had been a part of writing/approving in the first place! Are their memories really that short/bad? I would say that, instead of Caroline, it is GT and his asleep-at-the-switch superiors who are the ones experiencing signs of dementia.

Edited by annie21, Nov 2 2012, 12:21 AM.
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Nov 1 2012, 05:30 PM
The Lucas\Will\Sonny scenes do seem to be the highlight of Friday's episode. I'm not convinced someone had to play the role of the bigoted, unapproving family member as I don't think it's unrealistic the way any of Will's family reacted to the news this past spring. That being said, if someone has to be the thorn in Will's side, Lucas is probably the most realistic choice. Marlena is a psychiatrist and she would never react negatively. Kate's history should have purged any homophobia from her years ago. Sami is too self-absorbed and too concerned about her harem of men to devote much emotion or energy to objecting to Will's life. That leaves Lucas since no one else shares a reasonably close relationship to Will. That being said, Lucas is being bludgeoned from a character standpoint. He is coming across as a meddling, hateful, hypocritical douche bag that is an extremely bad judge of character. Will is in his second year of college for crying out loud. He is more than old enough to live his own life as well as make and learn from any mistakes along the way. So, I am glad he ripped in to his father. I hope Sami and Kate receive a chance to tear into Lucas as he definitely crossed a line.

We now have a second instance where Will seeks sex to cope with problems in his life, namely an argument with Lucas. Is this going to become a pattern of behavior with him?

I simply do not and will never care about Jennifer and Daniel's relationship.


not since CM enter to the role will being closer to rafe and ej than lucas i sure to most will fans of CM that start wathcing days when CM start the role proably think lucas is downkiller that should stay in HK There no point in drama only be annoyed
there no drama of will and lucas does not get along if we never really saw them get along and close before

will he ripped in to his father it seem the only scenes allowed to lucas and will
the same is not fun to watch people tear into nicole it no something to watch people tear into lucas eiter
and kate and sami tear into lucas about cross the line about will really?kate does not know the line exist
she can not tear lucas meddle in will love life when she already got to point she tried to kill lucas wife
and sami is another person that have no room to talk when she did not tell rafe the truth with ej stuff despite seeing what it doing to will or when she use will to help to cover when she shot ej

and last time will age mention this year will was 18 and he has very littlie experience even you add women to it
Edited by Partnersincrime, Nov 2 2012, 04:57 AM.
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michr544125
Nov 1 2012, 05:48 PM
Can't wait to see the Will/Sonny/Lucas/Kate stuff tomorrow. The writing for this story has gotten even that much better that past couple of weeks :smile: . On one hand I hate the way they are writing Lucas but he is playing the role of how many parents sadly do react so I do give the show props for this. Lucas to me never came around to Will being gay even though he tried to say he did. Actions speak louder than words and he has never seemed comfortable. Everything Will says to Lucas is spot on. Then what Lucas says in return was just demoralizing and cruel. I am not saying Will is right but I can see why he reacts the way he does toward Sonny.

Kate on the other hand respectfully just told Sonny that she only wants what is best for them and doesn't want Sonny to push Will for something he's not ready for. If Will is ready than so be it. I love how Sonny kisses Kate on the cheek. That is a stand up guy.

Damn the argument between Will and Sonny sounds incredible. The writing just awesome. Again, Will needs to learn how to not let others bate him but when his own father basically spits in his face and makes him feel lower than dirt it's no wonder. Glad Sonny at least admitted he has brought at least a guy back to his apartment and inferred in a sexual manner. But glad he showed Will the door. Even know Sonny knows Will only said what he did because of what Lucas said, Sonny still feels hurt. Will and Sonny are the most real couple on this show right now. Something isn't clicking there.

Nick and Gabi had potential but they are far too rushed. I don't buy their relationship and the chemistry I felt early on seems to be lost for me now.

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really so lucas life misson is to see will unhappy

and will proven to be idiot he was not willing listen to anything bad lucas say about ej when ej proven time and time again to bad stuff he is cable of and yet he does listen about sonny being player when he proven time and time again he anything but player its only show will is not ready at all
Edited by Partnersincrime, Nov 2 2012, 05:14 AM.
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Dreamer
Gone, But Not Forgotten!

Lucas spewing crap about Sonny's sex life.....Just wait until Lucas finds out Will is the one that can't keep his pants on............ that will shut him up.
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Gone, But Not Forgotten!

Maybe TomSell wised up and found out that it takes a years a day to get a Divorce granted for desertion and abandonment........and Jennifer got hers in just a few months.... did we ever find out when Jack left on his walkabout? What did they say when he didn't come back for Alice's funeral?

TomSell can write what ever they want, buy clearly the writers on this one, have no fucking clue if JnJ were marrried or divorce. LMAO!!!! So they went with married.....
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Come on Ron, We are counting on YOU !!

I truly don't have a problem with the writing for Lucas YET. Notice how I capitalized and bolded that last little word in my previous sentence. I don't have issues with it mainly because there is some consistency in how they are telling this story. Lucas has been for the most part an over protective father. There was his objection to Will and Mia's relationship mainly because of her drug use and 'baggage' which Lucas didn't want Will carrying around. That was displayed on screen. Lucas has also expressed before that he thought that Sonny was more experienced that Will and that the relationship might be moving too quickly.

My problem with the writing is that they don't say WHY Lucas is feeling this way NOW about Sonny. I just wish they would have written in a few token scenes where Lucas witnesses Sonny with other men and gets the wrong idea, then he expresses it to Will, putting doubt in his mind about Sonny's intentions. Instead they give us ONE piece of dialogue (having the costumes shipped to the wrong address) that makes Lucas believe that maybe Sonny's intentions aren't so genuine. I would have loved more than that little scene and it would have made a bit more sense as to why Lucas might be having an issue. I also think Lucas IS struggling with the fact that his son is gay. There is really nothing wrong with that....and it NEEDS to be shown because it's REALISTIC. I also think this is all being played up right before the reveal happens that Gabi is pregnant, I just wish that I would trust Tomlin to do the character of Lucas justice. Needless to say that I don't trust him at all, hoping he surprises me somehow.

I still think that the Will being gay story, the playing in of Lucas and Nick and their disapproval in different ways and the entire dark cloud of the pregnancy looming over their heads is probably the ONLY story that will hit all the important beats. IT has drama, conflict, love, betrayal, happiness, and sorrow....it has family conflict on both fronts from Lucas and Sami's reaction to both Lucas' disapproval and later their reaction when they find out Will likely knocked up Gabi, to everything that will come after with Nick and Gabi vs Will....has the potential for some excellent drama. IMHO no other story is being build up like this one, hoping Tomlin and Co. don't mess it up...
Edited by LuvingLumi, Nov 4 2012, 08:44 PM.
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Bring back Jack!

Dreamer
Nov 2 2012, 10:43 AM
Maybe TomSell wised up and found out that it takes a years a day to get a Divorce granted for desertion and abandonment........and Jennifer got hers in just a few months.... did we ever find out when Jack left on his walkabout? What did they say when he didn't come back for Alice's funeral?

TomSell can write what ever they want, buy clearly the writers on this one, have no fucking clue if JnJ were marrried or divorce. LMAO!!!! So they went with married.....
When Jack came back, Jennifer claimed she hadn't seen him since before she left for Alice's funeral. But at the time of Alice's funeral she said Jack was in London looking after the kids and that he would probably make it there at some point..she was also talking on the phone with Jack and sharing "I love you's" and when she left Salem she was going to meet him and the kids at the airport.

If they are going with married when Jack came back then technically Jennifer was having an affair with Daniel. But it's stupid because J&J were engaged when he died so not married and there was dialogue on Jack's return where she rubbed it in his face that she'd divorced him in his absence (something he was never allowed to have time to process or be angry or upset about past that one scene).
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Nov 2 2012, 10:38 AM
Lucas spewing crap about Sonny's sex life.....Just wait until Lucas finds out Will is the one that can't keep his pants on............ that will shut him up.

Once she recovers emotionally, I can see Nicole making snide remarks to both Sami and Lucas about being young grandparents, and how the Horton men cannot keep their pants zipped up. That's want Nicole does best. Although they dislike each other, I kinda want to see Nicole and Lucas hook up, even if it's only a fling. I think Lucas is capable of compassion for Nicole and vice versa. Nicole probably thinks Sami is an idiot to throw Lucas away. Not to mention, I want to see EJ, Sami, and Kate to hit the roof once they are a couple. That will be funny. Since Eric is a priest, I think Nicole is going to get her heart broken again, since he may not want to renounce his vocation to get involved with her. I wonder if we are heading for a Thornsbirds version on Days. Not to mention, Roman will have a fit, remember how protective he was on Eric dating Nicole back in the day, he didn't trust her. LOL, Sami with EJ, and Will being gay, I'm surprised Roman has not had a breakdown. Not to mention, he has not had a woman in forever since Kate.
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I actually started yelling at the TV when Jennifer started in on her revisionist history about Daniel. She described what Daniel SHOULD HAVE DONE, not what he ACTUALLY DID. Daniel thought he deserved Jen over her husband of twenty years and the father of her children. Like Jennifer, he had ZERO empathy for what Jack went through in Afghanistan. Jack was the one who got no support while he struggled with his PTSD, while Jen sat with Dan and talked him through his hand tremors. If a writer has to completely rewrite history to make the characters sympathetic, that's a sign that their past behavior was disgusting.
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jb1183
Nov 2 2012, 02:10 PM
I actually started yelling at the TV when Jennifer started in on her revisionist history about Daniel. She described what Daniel SHOULD HAVE DONE, not what he ACTUALLY DID. Daniel thought he deserved Jen over her husband of twenty years and the father of her children. Like Jennifer, he had ZERO empathy for what Jack went through in Afghanistan. Jack was the one who got no support while he struggled with his PTSD, while Jen sat with Dan and talked him through his hand tremors. If a writer has to completely rewrite history to make the characters sympathetic, that's a sign that their past behavior was disgusting.
You are 100% right. Tomlin is deliberately rewriting history to make Dannifer more likeable, probably because of viewer backlash after Jack's return. Then, in true Tomlin style, he shoots himself in both feet by writing them just as badly this time around. He has Dan dump Nicole callously and Jen sniffing after the doctor within days of Jack's death. The good thing is that if history can be rewritten so simply, in a couple of months we will get an episode saying there never was an elevator and Jack has been on his book tour all along and Jen has just received divorce papers from him in the mail. After all it's not like there is ever any mention of the heroic nature of his supposed death or after-effects for Abby so let's add that to Tomlin's revisionist history of the show. Jack is alive!! I don't just love the word "revisionist" I love its concepts and possibilities. :D
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Nov 1 2012, 06:49 PM
I think Daniel and Maxine would be interesting. "Daxine", anyone? or Maniel? She always tallks about how great he is.
I vote no to "Daxine" unless she continues to bad mouth Nicole.One more dispariging remark about Nicole then proceed with the character kiss of death known as
"Daxine".
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Lucas really needs to calm down, lol. He's acting like Will is a 15 year old unpopular girl and Sonny is the 18 year old football jock.
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I give up on caring about Jen/Dan. Its hard because I really like Nicole but they seriously make me want to gouge my eyes out and have someone blow a giant air horn in both my ears so I go deaf.
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LuvingLumi
Nov 2 2012, 10:56 AM
I still think that the Will being gay story, the playing in of Lucas and Nick and their disapproval in different ways and the entire dark cloud of the pregnancy looming over there heads is probably the ONLY story that will hit all the important beats. IT has drama, conflict, love, betrayal, happiness, and sorrow....it has family conflict on both fronts from Lucas and Sami's reaction to both Lucas' disapproval and later their reaction when they find out Will likely knocked up Gabi, to everything that will come after with Nick and Gabi vs Will....has the potential for some excellent drama. IMHO no other story is being build up like this one, hoping Tomlin and Co. don't mess it up...
I agree. I like Gabi/Nick though I hate their rushed relationship but the reason I'm sticking with this storyline is I'm excited for the ripple effect Gabi's pregnancy (presumably by Will) is going to cause. Once that happens, all bets are off.
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Sad to see Lucas trash Sonny's character and imply he's some kind of superslut. You'd think he could work through his feelings about their relationship without doing that, especially since he gave Sonny his nod of approval before.

I really want to see Kristen and Kate interact more.
Edited by JessicaLeigh, Nov 3 2012, 08:52 AM.
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It's so funny to watch the writers try and make Nicole the bad guy and Jennifer the good guy, when it's so clear who the rootable character is and it's not Jennifer.

Kristen is amazing in every scene.

Kate is a wonderful Grandma. She handled her conversation with Sonny so gracefully. I'm glad to see her in Wilson's corner. I really don't like the Lucas 180 on Wilson. It is a plot point and I don't see any evidence that Sonny is anything but a gentleman whose been in Will's corner since day one. I think the writers just don't like Lucas. Similarly, I think Nick's position doesn't make since except as inevitable motivation for stepping up as the "father" of Gabi's baby. I don't object to the idea of characters being uncomfortable with Wilson and their gayness, but I'd rather see it evolve naturally rather than be a plot contrivance.

The Wilson fight made me sad. Will looked shattered when he left Sonny.
Edited by Honeybees, Nov 3 2012, 09:06 AM.
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Nov 3 2012, 08:54 AM
It's so funny to watch the writers try and make Nicole the bad guy and Jennifer the good guy, when it's so clear who the rootable character is and it's not Jennifer.
It's not clear to me at all. I don't find any of them rootable.
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Im ready for nicoles break down because hopefully it will snap her back into reality and she can grieve her son and not daniel. I dont want daniel to help her i want him to leave her the hell alone
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