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John and Kristen are alone at the Horton Cabin!; Airs week of Nov 5th
Topic Started: Nov 1 2012, 02:02 PM (5,650 Views)
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Ellie
Nov 1 2012, 07:02 PM
Sariah
Nov 1 2012, 03:42 PM
I still don't get why John's in there doing the work himself. It'd be different if Kristen somehow tricked him or contrived for this to happen, but I imagine a man like John would simply hire someone to do the winterizing for him.
The whole thing is so forced... they're taking Kristen's manipulation from the 90's (if that's what they're doing) with none of the intricate setup that went along with it. I'm surprised the thermostat in the cabin didn't malfunction.
And Marlena's delayed by a snowstorm, right, but arrives just in time to walk in and see John and Kristen sleeping naked together for warmth? I could actually go for that, I think.

Y'all are right, John is always a bit of an idiot. I still think the past few years he's not been at his normal level of idiocy.
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Nov 1 2012, 07:46 PM
I only remember John being stupid when JER was writing.
But those were John's defining years? The John and Marlena that everyone's come to know and love all came from JER's idiot John. (Yes they were there in the 80s but Hall left 5 minutes after he showed up)

Outside of that, he took Brady's side against Marlena. He didn't get that Hope was Gina and fucking with him. And whatever the deal was with that crazy woman that paralized him ....

He's never been the sharpest granule in the hourglass.
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My statement of "I HATE THIS SHOW" is not because of what's happening with this sl... it's because what's happening is stupid and lame. There was no build up to anything. It's all a clusterfuck of randomness... that they are trying to stitch together as some kind of story... and it's NOT!

I mean seriously for YEARS Marlena had battled Stefano, Kristen, Tony, Alex North and the DEVIL... and left those situations with her sanity in tact! But now, all of a sudden, Marlena so much as sees Kristen and she is coming completely undone? WTF is that?

With John, honestly, he always been kinda a dipshit. A lovable and HOT dipshit to me though lmao.

And sorry but NO character deserves to be relegated as a prop to Sami, EJ and Brady... certainly not any VET IMO! I would rather watch John and Marlena read a phonebook in a scene then them propping anything Sami/EJ related!
Edited by Tammy, Nov 1 2012, 08:11 PM.
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Tammy
Nov 1 2012, 08:10 PM
My statement of "I HATE THIS SHOW" is not because of what's happening with this sl... it's because what's happening is stupid and lame. There was no build up to anything. It's all a clusterfuck of randomness... that they are trying to stitch together as some kind of story... and it's NOT!

I mean seriously for YEARS Marlena had battled Stefano, Kristen, Tony, Alex North and the DEVIL... and left those situations with her sanity in tact! But now, all of a sudden, Marlena so much as sees Kristen and she is coming completely undone? WTF is that?

With John, honestly, he always been kinda a dipshit. A lovable and HOT dipshit to me though lmao.
It all seems rather lame, aside from the obvious of how she would even get into the cabin.

Wouldn't it have made more sense to have had her be the one who tried to kill Stefano as part of some kind of revenge plot? They're kidding themselves if they think they can reform Kristen into someone who'll have longevity. They might as well take a lead from ABC's Revenge and see how long they can keep it fresh before its time to send her back to Genoa City.
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Drew
Nov 1 2012, 08:08 PM
Sindacco
Nov 1 2012, 07:46 PM
I only remember John being stupid when JER was writing.
But those were John's defining years? The John and Marlena that everyone's come to know and love all came from JER's idiot John. (Yes they were there in the 80s but Hall left 5 minutes after he showed up)

Outside of that, he took Brady's side against Marlena. He didn't get that Hope was Gina and fucking with him. And whatever the deal was with that crazy woman that paralized him ....

He's never been the sharpest granule in the hourglass.
Maybe those were the defining years for John and Marlena as a couple but I don't know if I would say those were the defining years for John as a character. Some of the other stuff you mentioned happened when he was brainwashed, which he had no control of.
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Dreamer
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IA, the SL is lame and TPTB just rush, rush, rush.

Kristen waltzes into town and obviously still has the hots for John.
Suddenly these church board members are alone cuddling in a cabin.
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

No matter how much I love these character, J&M and Kristen, etc... the SL writing is a kindergarten cut & paste approach to what good old fashion soap story telling was all about. Contrived and unbelievable.

John is dumber than dumb to trust Kristen..... and look at him now... after being back burned for the last couple of months, we ger zero J&M romance and John is sudden all in Kristen's orbit with a panicked, shrink seeing wife.

I am going to need a neckbrace soon for all the whiplash & instra & WFT crap TPTB are dishing out. !!!
Edited by Dreamer, Nov 2 2012, 10:11 AM.
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If you're always getting brainwashed doesn't that say something though?
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I guess I'm in the massive minority, but I really don't dislike the storyline at all. And I'm not bored by it at all. I've liked every second of it so far. I don't mind John being an idiot because like some have pointed out, John is and always has been somewhat gullible. I like how they don't have Kristen doing anything over the top, but you can assume that she is being underhanded and this is starting to make Marlena (possibly the only smart person) look batshit crazy.

My only problem is that they are spreading Kristen thin by having her all over the map right now. Eileen Davidson is getting tons of airtime, but I would prefer they move the Marlena/John/Kristen part of it a little faster instead of worrying about Kristen/Brady, Kristen/Sami, and Kristen/EJ. I didn't mind her getting scenes with EJ and Chad to establish that they are indeed family and that Stefano sent her to save the family, but that's pretty much where it should stay. I actually LOVE the Kristen/EJ scenes, but I can't with the Kristen/Sami scenes. Its just too much too soon.

Like I said, in the minority, but I'm liking this storyline. I don't need this instant gratification and rapid storytelling that people request every time a new story starts, but I do wish Tomlin would focus on something and move it along. He is seeming like MarDar with his being all over the place right now.
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Drew
Nov 1 2012, 09:03 PM
If you're always getting brainwashed doesn't that say something though?
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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I actually think this will be good. I love kristen and have wanted to see jarlena in a good story for awhile. And i disagree that kristen is being spread to thin. I think the more character interaction that she has with different characters the better. So far she has had amazing chemistry with almost every character
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hahaha, well John is stupid (almost as stupid as Ethan on Passions, and that's an almost impossible level of stupidity) but given everything else we have going on, I say go for it! Plus we'll get some Kristen/Marlena :)
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Drew
Nov 1 2012, 09:03 PM
If you're always getting brainwashed doesn't that say something though?
All it say is that some writers are lazy and use the brainwashing as an excuse for a character to do out-of-character things. If that makes John stupid, then so are Marlena, Hope, Steve and anyone else who's been a victim of it.

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Don't get up. So how are you? What happened, eh? Let me guess, Stefano told you that you could fly,and you jumped off a building. HeHe It's funny right, no I'm sorry Bad EJ, I should'nt be that cruel!

I may be in the minority but I will not mind if John and Kristen reunites.

Never liked John or Marlena,much less together.
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Nov 1 2012, 02:06 PM
John's actions in this story are nearly Austin-esque.

TFP.
Lol! I wonder if John brings his scrapbooking project to the cabin.

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I shudder to image what "unexpected" stuff happens with this triangle.

Surely KC words of audience rooting for Marlena will hold true, right?
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Drew
Nov 1 2012, 08:08 PM
Sindacco
Nov 1 2012, 07:46 PM
I only remember John being stupid when JER was writing.
But those were John's defining years? The John and Marlena that everyone's come to know and love all came from JER's idiot John. (Yes they were there in the 80s but Hall left 5 minutes after he showed up)

Outside of that, he took Brady's side against Marlena. He didn't get that Hope was Gina and fucking with him. And whatever the deal was with that crazy woman that paralized him ....

He's never been the sharpest granule in the hourglass.
Yup. It's clear Marlena was the brains of the relationship lol.
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px780
Nov 1 2012, 02:59 PM
Yay! The return of idiot John.

I like idiot John because it places the focus back on Marlena/Kristen, which is where I think it should be. And it's kind of cool when women battle over an idiot because then I don't think of them as desperate and sad; I think of them as having a rivalry wherein a particular man is just a trophy.
STAMP

I also am a fan of idiot John...he never was the star of these stories, it ALWAYS was to me about Kristen & Marlena...so I am very happy about that.

Jarlena will end up together...but I am gonna LOVE watching their marriage be torn apart by Kristen.

This is the only good part of this show right now.
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I am a HUGE J&M fan, and I have been for years. But I`ll be the first to admit that this is not the first time John has acted like an idiot. It`s jus that it`s SO incredibly annoying!! :blink:

That being said, I do not at all hate the story yet, I have loved a lot of the John/Marlena/Kristen scenes this fare. And we all know that in the end, or at least somewhere down the line, John realizes that he`s been an ass. But normally it`s a little too late when he comes to his senses. So this COULD get interesting… Let`s hope it will.
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To me, this seems very forced and plot driven. :shrug:
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Ellie
Nov 1 2012, 02:02 PM
This week's Soap Opera Digest features an article about John and Kristen.

The article begins by saying that Kristen starts going to meetings at the church, so she can demonstrate to everyone in Salem that she has changed and that she's who she was before her evil turn began.

The problem is that John is at the church meeting too. He thinks it may be a coincidence that he keeps running into Kristen, but Marlena knows better. Drake Hogestyn says that Marlena is thinking, "'You fool. It is not a coincidence. I know how this works. I'm a woman.'"

Hope comes to visit J&M and asks them to winterize the Horton cabin as a favor because Bo's not around. John is busy at work, but Marlena convinces him that the two of them should go there since they need to get away. John says ok, but then Marlena gets called away on a crisis with a patient, and John has to go alone. He gets there, and Kristen is in the cabin waiting for him.

John thinks Marlena's suspicions are correct, but Kristen tells him she came there just to reconnect with a positive time in her life. She ends up missing the ferry back, and they discuss how things used to be. Hogestyn shares that John is on guard, but he is affected by all of the events in their past that Kristen discusses.

John and Kristen have to spend the night there. John tells Kristen he knows she wants him, but Hogestyn explains Kristen thinks of him as a "self-absorbed idiot" and tells him again she's changed. But has she? John goes to look for blankets and when he returns, Kristen is sleeping and he covers her up, while back in Salem, Marlena is telling Hope that she's worried about what Kristen will do to her marriage...

Pick up the latest Digest for details, including a look back at John and Kristen's story!
Ahem...*Raises Hand*

Didn't we see this once already back in the 90's? This is crazy! 20 yrs later we are still watching the same damn show, LOL :sheep:

http://youtu.be/jwjKNvfoug8
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