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Friday, November 9th Daily Discussion
Topic Started: Nov 8 2012, 02:35 PM (5,684 Views)
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Friday, November 9th

Nicole is up on the stairs at the square
Dan runs up the stairs after her
and Nicole takes out the scalpel and
tells him to get away
Ej, Rafe, Brady, Jen and Abigail
are there watching
she says Go away and leave me alone please

sonny at the coffee place
T comes in with his date Audrey
T says he wanted to introduce her to his boyfriend Will and him
Sonny says we are not together anymore

Will is helping out at the pub
Gabi talks to him
Will asks where Nick is
she says he is upstairs
he says why is he upstairs , oh never mind forget i asked
she says could he not tell anyone about them
she doesnt want rafe or anyone butting it, they are happy
found the person she is meant to be with

Kristen says i want something that you will never be able to give me
he says you are finally admitting it
my wife was right
what you want is me
she says i dont want your love
i want your forgiveness

dan says lets talk about what happened
she says why so you all can scream and yell at me, if you all didnt hate me before,, you hate me now
he says i dont hate you
she says yes you do, why are you all here , you want to see me pay
so lets do it, lets get it over with
i will end it right here right now
i will do it
she put the scalpel up to her throat

john says you want my forgiveness?
she says yeah
is it that shocking
i told you i had years in therapy and i know the hell i put you and marlena through
i want to put the past in the past
i need to make amends
he says im not sure thats possible
she says i know and
all the work i put in to being a better person and to be the person i was when you first met me ,i know it might be a lost cause
it kind of breaks my heart

dan says no no
dont do it please
no one here wants you to hurt yourself
she says i would rather be with my baby both my babies
dan says i know you are grieving but
you do not want to hurt yourself
you have so much to live for
she says like what
you cant answer me cause there is nothing
i lost everything, my baby
and now i have lost you and it hurts so much
i want the pain to go away
i need it to go away

T tells sonny he is sorry didnt know him and Will broke up
he wants to know what happened
i told Audrey i helped you guys get together and now she wants me to fix things
she thinks im a nice considerate helpful person
and me having gay friends means im comfortable with my masculinity
sonny says so you are using me to impress her
T says a little ,are you guys going to get back together

Will tells gabi about his dad and sonny
she says its not outrageous for you to want to know where your partner has been and who he has been with
meet face to face and clear this up
he says whats the point
he told me to get out that it was over
she says thats not what you told me
i think you are making a big mistake

Kristen says how could i have known you would be here
its November
and you made me miss the last ferry
he says what are you doing here
she says i have special memories of this place and Salem not so much
i needed to clear my head
i started hoping
then why i turn a corner and you would be there maybe it was a sign
from God
that we were supposed to work things out, not romantically
he says think we could be friends
she says guess im not that naive
im not the same woman that locked marlena in that room
and tried to pass off another child as your own
you are john black hired assassin
stefanos pawn
are you the same man you were all those years ago
he says no im not
she says because of the love of a good woman
he says yes because of marlena
she says i found love too while i was gone
i learned to love myself i found me
the person that helped kids that no on else cared for the person who coached little league
he says the person i fell in love with

Nicole says you dont know what its like to have a life growing inside
and to love that child with all your heart
he becomes a part of you
and before you get a chance to hold him he is taken from you forever
none of you know how that feels
dan says im sorry
she says when i lost my daughter
i didnt think i could feel anymore pain
but i was wrong and now i know
my dreams will never come true
this was my only chance to hold onto you and i know what i did was wrong
jen has 2 beautiful children and she had a wonderful marriage
and she just threw you away
when she saw you caring for me and my baby and all of a sudden
she couldnt let you go
i thought if i could have the one thing i wanted the most in this world a little baby, if i couldnt have that at least
i could have you
i lied
so i could keep the 1 last great thing in my life
but i lost you anyway didnt I
i cant take it anymore i cant
she put the scalpel up to her throat
dan says i am right here look at me
you are not alone
all these people here care about you
she says no, they are here for the show
he says i care about you, im right here
she says but not the way i need you
we are not leaving are we
this is over between us isnt it
she screams isnt it
she has the scalpel up to her throat

Sonny says i wouldnt count on things working out between Will and me
he can go back and tell her he has done his part supporting the gays
T goes over to Audrey
she says it didnt go so well
T says he said its over
she says but he doesnt want it to be
otherwise he wouldnt look so sad

gabi tells Will to pick up the phone
and call Sonny
think about it
Will says ok

Kristen says thats not what i meant
im not asking you to love me again
he says you are just hinting that it could be possible
she says no i understand that you belong with marlena
i always knew that even when we were happy
part of you always wanted to be with her
he says i never meant to hurt you
she says i never meant to hurt you
i was so jealous and afraid
of what my life would be like without you
but i found out i was ok i survived
he says if thats true im happy for you
she says getting over you was the hardest thing i ever had to do but i did it,im not asking you to forgive because i love you now
its because i did love
you and after everything we went through ,it would mean so much to me

dan says nicole ,i know you have been through more than anyone has to bear
but i promise to be by your side as you get better and you will get better
drop the scalpel and come to me
she says i love you more than you will ever know
she looks at the scalpel and drops it to the ground
then she tries to climb over the railing
but rafe gets her from behind and dan grabs her from the front
they both hold onto her
she cries why didnt you let me go why

Nicole is now in the hospital
Cameron says we are going to keep you here overnight
rafe comes in to talk to her
ready to take your statement
she says ok
he says i suggest wait till your lawyer is present
she says no she wants to get it over with

Abi and Jen are in a waiting room
Abi says im glad Nicole didnt take the easy way out now she has to pay
jen says dont feel that way

Brady comes in wants to talk to jen
abi leaves them
he says tonight was intense
but i couldnt let you leave without telling you i owe you a huge apology

rafe sits beside nicole
he says on oct 8
you came here for an appointment
she says yes
and her regular Ob Dr. Knapp had an emergency
i saw Dr sedwick
she couldnt find the babys heartbeat
so she did an ultrasound
and then she told me my baby was dead
i asked her why
she said sometimes we just dont know
i didnt do anything wrong it wasnt my fault
but whos fault is it
i went to tell dan the truth
but he was with jen
i thought i cant lose him too

Ej and Dan are in the waiting room
Ej is sitting down reading papers
Dan says there was nothing any doctor could have done
its not jens fault, or nicoles fault
no ones
Ej says so the child just wasnt meant to live, is that what you are telling me
Dan says i understand if you want to speak to another doctor
to confirm
my findings
EJ says oh yeah i will be talking to another doctor
but i suspect he will only confirm what you just told me
dan says i just hope this will give you a little peace of mind of what happened that night
Ej rubs his forehead
and Dan takes the papers from him
and says he will have a copy made for him
EJ says peace of mind
i have no peace of mind
if that child was born
i would have never known anyway
because you
tried to convince me that another man was his father
you would have done everything in your power to make sure that i had no legal rights to my son whats so ever
dan says i thought you said
EJ says what, that i was going to let everything go?
That it didnt matter
it matters
when i thought jen was responsible for my sons death
she was going to get what she deserved
i suppose i dont have to worry about that
if you think im just going to forgive and forget
you have another think coming
what you and nicole and rafe did to deceive me was wrong and we are going to settle that right here

nic says i remember when i lost my baby before
i kept thinking there has got to be something to stop the ache
so i went out and got myself another baby
then i lost sydney
i lost my mother
i lost Ej
and i know i havent lived a blameless life but how much can one person pay
i lost my baby and there was only one thing left for me to do
jen was trying to come between me and dan for weeks
and i thought if he knew the baby was gone that he would leave me and i would be left with nothing at all
i snapped
i wanted her to hurt as much as i was hurting
we fought
i grabbed her and she pulled away ,i lost my balance i fell
it happened that fast
brady saw it
he came over and asked if the baby was ok
and i knew what i had to do if i wanted to keep Daniel
the computers were down that day and Dr. Sedwick had left the country so there was no record of me being here
and everyone who saw me fall they didnt know
the baby i was carrying inside me was already dead

T and audrey go to the pub
and talk to Will
T says they saw sonny and he looked really down and he should call him
he looked bummed that you havent called him
Audrey says her brother is gay
and his friends treated him bad when he came out
Will says im glad you found T he is a great guy
she says good luck
i hope things work out for you guys

John says if you want me to say i cared about you too
you know that i did
but when you started hurting people i loved
she says i understand
i knew coming back here would be hard, i guess i was looking for closure
marlena never really liked me let alone loved me
i didnt expect her to accept my olive branch
but you
because of everything we meant to each other
at least what you meant to me
i cant stand it that you hate me
she sits on the couch
he says im going to find some blankets i have a feeling its going to be a cold night
he puts his jacket by her
she puts it over her shoulders
and smells it

Dan says EJ i completely own my part in helping Nicole switch the paternity test so its on me
i am prepared to accept the full consequences
Ej says do you understand what that means
i am not talking about you losing your career , i could send you to jail and no one would really blame me for pressing charges
but to ruin you that will give me great satisfaction

gabi goes to see Sonny
they talk about the Halloween party
he says he could barley get Nick to talk to him
she flashbacks to nick telling her he thinks the gay lifestyle is wrong
she says nick is just shy
when he gets to know you and Will better we will hang out more
sonny say sguess you didnt hear
she says i heard
Will feels bad about what happened
he says he isnt talking to me
she says maybe he needs time
he gets a call says its Will

Brady says the things i said were harsh and they were way off base
i should have known better
hope we will be good again
jen says we are good now

dan says you do what ever you feel you need to do
Ej says well im not going to forgive and forget
but i wont press charges against you
on this occasion
dan says why not
EJ says a long time ago i came in here and you saved my life and when my son was very ill im grateful for what you did but dont cross me again
dan nods his head

rafe tells nciole to get some rest
she says sometimes i think its my fault the baby died
maybe lying to Ej and keeping him from his child and asking you and dan
to betray everything you believe in
maybe god thought my baby was better off dead than to have a mother like me
maybe he is punishing me for my sins
he says god doesnt work that way
she says thats why we have a legal system right
whats going to happen to me
he says i dont know
she cries again

Ej looks in at Nicole
she sees him
he smiles sadly
and leaves
she cries some more

Will says hey
Sonny says whats going on
Will says nothing
im sorry for calling so late
wasnt sure if you wanted to take my
call
Sonny says i will always take your calls
Will says i thought maybe we could meet in person and talk about it
sonny says how about tomorrow
Will says ok c-ya then

Kristen goes to sleep
with johns coat over her
he comes back with blankets
says we got lucky
he puts a blanket over her
then he gets one and puts over his shoulders
and sits on the couch

rafe, dan, brady, abi and jen out by the nurses station
Brady says how is she doing
dan says physically she is strong
emotionally , it will take a lot time
brady says she is going to get the help she needs though?
what going to happen to her
rafe says she knows her lies led to jennifers false arrest at the tax payers expense
she is going to be facing some serious charges
They show Nicole in the bed
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"marlena never really liked me let alone loved me"

Uh, this crap. If you're going to do a story based on history, at least get the history right. Marlena was one of Kristen's main champions for crying out loud. Marlena was John's best friend and John cared about Kritter, so Marlena cared.
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The writers and executives are in for a rude awakening if they think this clusterfuck will suddenly cause me to hate Nicole and like Jennifer. That will not be happening.
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Can't wait to see Will and Sonny have missed them all week.
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They are making it impossible for me to hate Nicole. Every day that passes the amount of sh*t they keep piling on her makes me love her all the more.
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I have some new found love for Rafe. :wub2: I'm sure it won't last, presently it's here.
Will :rolleyes: Sonny this could have been your chance to find Brian.

I want to sing Tomorrow to Nicole and Roses to those fools who were looking at her like their stuff don't stink!
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LonePirate
Nov 8 2012, 02:54 PM
The writers and executives are in for a rude awakening if they think this clusterfuck will suddenly cause me to hate Nicole and like Jennifer. That will not be happening.
I don't think anybody is supposed to hate Nicole. The writing has been hugely sympathetic all along and particularly in this episode.
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Now even E.J is on the "Dan saved my life" bandwagon. Take a ticket and get in line. :puke:
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Gone, But Not Forgotten!

I always loved AZ's acting and liked Nicole, now I love Nicole. She did really well in her seens today as desperate woman and the edge of the, ready to take her own like. I hated that she focuses on losing Daniel and telling him how much she loved him.. I could have passed on those lines, but the rest was awesome. I liked how TPTB made her retell her story to Rafe in her statement.... about Jen & Dan and losing her 1st baby & Sydney. AZ was great! Her crying at the end, top notch.... Nothing buy my sympathy here.
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Nov 8 2012, 03:14 PM
Now even E.J is on the "Dan saved my life" bandwagon. Take a ticket and get in line. :puke:
Marlena saved your life once too, buddy. You wanna give her a big fat golden star?
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Abby is an asshole, no longer anythng to me but a BITCH
Jennifer the annointed one is again a saint.
Dan is still a jackass who again drove another woman to insanity for his glow stick
Rafe have lost respect for him for even considering charges
EJ - no words, absolutely no words
Brady - cares more about apologizing to Jennifer the saint than checking on his supposed friend

Nicole only one who deserves sympathy first for the storyline and secondly for the writers making it like she schemed this ending instead of it being because of her having a breakdown.

Tom/Sell spell utter character destruction. :flipoff:
Edited by nolagirl, Nov 8 2012, 03:29 PM.
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I AM NOT A LOVEWR OF THE CHARACTER OF NICOLE AT ALL. SHE IS ALWAYS TRYING ALL THESE TRICKS TO TRAP SOME GUY. IT MAY BE FROM HER PAST BUT EVERYTHING IN HER LIFE IS SO NICOLE MO. SHE CAN NOT GET A GUY ON HER OWN WITHOUT THE LIES AND DECEIT THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT. LOOK AT HER NOW. SHE WENT AROUND CARRYING A DEAD BABY WHICH IS TOO SICK AND TWISTED FOR ME TO EVEN COMPREHEND AND THAT CAUSE I AM A MOM. I MEAN WHO REALLY DOES THAT JUST TO GET SOME GUY. C'MON. SHE DESERVES EVERYTHING SHE HAS COMING. SHE ALWAYS WANTS WHAT EVERYONE ELSE HAS AND USES WHAT SHE HAS TO GET THEM. SHE JUST WANTED TO KEEP JEN AND DANIEL APART AND REALLY THATS THE BOTTOM LINE ON THAT. THE WRITERS NEED TO MAKE NICOLE BETTER THAN SHE IS.
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Days Preview 11-9-12.

http://youtu.be/4I41Qfl-9JI

John, Kristen, Nicole, Will, Gabi, Sonny, EJ, Brady. Tan, Jen, Rafe, Abby,Nicole,
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^^ There's no need to SHOUT.
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bettysue113098
Nov 8 2012, 03:29 PM
I AM NOT A LOVEWR OF THE CHARACTER OF NICOLE AT ALL. SHE IS ALWAYS TRYING ALL THESE TRICKS TO TRAP SOME GUY. IT MAY BE FROM HER PAST BUT EVERYTHING IN HER LIFE IS SO NICOLE MO. SHE CAN NOT GET A GUY ON HER OWN WITHOUT THE LIES AND DECEIT THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT. LOOK AT HER NOW. SHE WENT AROUND CARRYING A DEAD BABY WHICH IS TOO SICK AND TWISTED FOR ME TO EVEN COMPREHEND AND THAT CAUSE I AM A MOM. I MEAN WHO REALLY DOES THAT JUST TO GET SOME GUY. C'MON. SHE DESERVES EVERYTHING SHE HAS COMING. SHE ALWAYS WANTS WHAT EVERYONE ELSE HAS AND USES WHAT SHE HAS TO GET THEM. SHE JUST WANTED TO KEEP JEN AND DANIEL APART AND REALLY THATS THE BOTTOM LINE ON THAT. THE WRITERS NEED TO MAKE NICOLE BETTER THAN SHE IS.
You do know that when Nicole found out her baby was dead was the same day she fell down the stairs, right? So its not like she was walking around for weeks, waiting to stage the perfect opportunity to frame Jennifer.
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I love Nicole everybody else can go fuck themeselves, excuse my french.
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bettysue113098
Nov 8 2012, 03:29 PM
I AM NOT A LOVEWR OF THE CHARACTER OF NICOLE AT ALL. SHE IS ALWAYS TRYING ALL THESE TRICKS TO TRAP SOME GUY. IT MAY BE FROM HER PAST BUT EVERYTHING IN HER LIFE IS SO NICOLE MO. SHE CAN NOT GET A GUY ON HER OWN WITHOUT THE LIES AND DECEIT THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT. LOOK AT HER NOW. SHE WENT AROUND CARRYING A DEAD BABY WHICH IS TOO SICK AND TWISTED FOR ME TO EVEN COMPREHEND AND THAT CAUSE I AM A MOM. I MEAN WHO REALLY DOES THAT JUST TO GET SOME GUY. C'MON. SHE DESERVES EVERYTHING SHE HAS COMING. SHE ALWAYS WANTS WHAT EVERYONE ELSE HAS AND USES WHAT SHE HAS TO GET THEM. SHE JUST WANTED TO KEEP JEN AND DANIEL APART AND REALLY THATS THE BOTTOM LINE ON THAT. THE WRITERS NEED TO MAKE NICOLE BETTER THAN SHE IS.
The writers are who made Nicole this way for this storyline, she didn't start this lie Rafe did, Dan offered to help, and as far as the dead baby have you ever lost a child or better yet given birth to a stillborn anyone would be in shock and grieving on the verge of a breakdown. Tom/Sell obviously can't/won't tell and accurate description of what she would have gone through so they sold this load of crap for Dannifer angst. Any Nicole fan wouldn't/didn't want her anywhere near the predator docotor of Salem but no Tomlin had to use her baby and KILL HIM for Dannifer. In the process they've lost quite a few viewer's that were hanging on by a thread. :soapbox:
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TFP. I actually got through most of the DA today, and I could see that the theme for this episode was forgiveness: Kristen is sure John can't forgive her; Nicole is sure Daniel (and everyone else) won't forgive her; later Nicole tells Rafe she's sure that God is punishing her for her sins (unforgiving); Sonny is working through his hurt and starting to forgive Will; Brady apologizes to Jen and she instantly forgives him. Gabi might have had something to do with apologizing or forgiving, too, but frankly I couldn't get through her stuff.


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Nicole made the accusations against Jen the same day she found out the baby was dead and recanted the allegations a couple of days later. Are we really expected to believe she would be convicted under these circumstances? Are we expected to believe that a judge and jury would be convinced that she was acting rationally and not suffering from PPD or traumatic stress? This is a really crappy ploy to make us think jen is a saint when she decides not to press charges next week because she is just so wonderfully compassionate! How stupid does Tomlin think we are?
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annie21
Nov 8 2012, 03:51 PM
TFP. I actually got through most of the DA today, and I could see that the theme for this episode was forgiveness: Kristen is sure John can't forgive her; Nicole is sure Daniel (and everyone else) won't forgive her; later Nicole tells Rafe she's sure that God is punishing her for her sins (unforgiving); Sonny is working through his hurt and starting to forgive Will; Brady apologizes to Jen and she instantly forgives him. Gabi might have had something to do with apologizing or forgiving, too, but frankly I couldn't get through her stuff.


Forgive me for thinking that Tomlin sucks (yes pun intended) :rockon:
Edited by nolagirl, Nov 8 2012, 04:02 PM.
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