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Dec 2 2012, 10:07 AM
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Couple chemistry is important and IA that everyone has a different vision of what "chemistry' is. I love DAYS couples, when they make a valiant run at create them. Over the years, I have enjoyed Lumi, Ejami and Safe and just like other pairings on the show, each time for different reasons. They've all had their ups and downs, lows and highs. For me, I think SL & writing has been key and that can either make it or break it. We all have our favs or preference of those who we think work better togther, other than when paired with someone else.
But lately, I am really put off by all the triangle SL stuff DAYS have been showing us over the last couple of years. Almost everyone has been in a triangle...and frankly it has become boring and redundant to watch. There are many other ways to create agnst and drama in life than always having ppl together and having someone wanting them at the same time. or characters that are with someone, when they want to be with someone else.
Everything MARDAR was triangles with different angles. STATE -Ian, CAFE- Austin. Dan/Jen/Jack. Chad/Abi/Mel/-Gabi as a quad. Safe- with Lumi on the side. etc.
No one was ever 'happy' and now there are almost no couples together on the whole freaking show. John & Mar and Magic. Everyone else is in a state of singleness. WTF is wrong with that picture? I do have to add that Wilson are together, but they really haven't had period of any happiness and Gabi and Nick was insta and I like them together... but really have zero impact as a destined pairing... BB is only on a short contract. I agree with this. One of the big reasons I watch a soap is for the romance and love and the couples involved. That isn't what I am getting. Hardly anyone is happy or in a committed couple relationship. Those who are together are just being thrown together in a quickie sexual relationship posing as romance or love. There is no build up just a "hurry up and hop into bed" scenario. For me, a lot of the chemistry comes from the build up between two people who truly care for each other. The triangles need to take a hike; it's old and overdone.
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Dec 2 2012, 10:14 AM
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Don't get up. So how are you? What happened, eh? Let me guess, Stefano told you that you could fly,and you jumped off a building. HeHe It's funny right, no I'm sorry Bad EJ, I should'nt be that cruel!
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Chemistry are a huge plus to me, if a couple does not chemistry, then it is hard to digest their story. It is a mixture of story potential AND chemistry.
I thought that Lucas and Sami had chemistry but do I want them together? NO. They just have a sibling chemistry.
Romantic and sibling chemistry are two different things.
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Dec 2 2012, 10:17 AM
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I feel pretty certain people find couples 'rootable' for different reasons. For me, personally - it comes down to chemistry. Which actors spark the most on screen. And despite the absolute crappy writing they've gotten over the years James Scott and Alison Sweeney still have that heads and shoulders over every other pair - hands down. I'd much rather see them sharing scenes together than any other screen partner either of them have worked with.
It's got to be this as most if not all of these characters/pairings have gotten crappy writing for a long time. Personally, as badly as Ejami have treated each other, Ejole is almost as bad, with EJ choking/tracking then falling in love with Nikki's sister/ inadvertently killing her mother. Safe seemed to have better writing, but then Rafe fell in love with Sami's sister. A definite "no no" on my "rootable couple" list. Course, Sami slept with EJ while married to Rafe, which didnt go over well either. Then there's the crazy Lumi history, many up n downs, culminating most recently in Sami choosing EJ again over Lucas to go on the run after the Daysaster. None of these characters pairings have gotten "rootable" writing, if you ask me, at least not like the olden Days, so your only choice is to go with which ones you like best together.
No no. The other choice is to hate all of them. It's a good time to start, too, because the other stories that are on are actually decent for the most part and all of these characters are background noise. It's a good time to not have a dog in the Sami's hoo ha fight. I say bring in some new women in the 30 something age range for Rafe, Ej and Lucas and let Sami take a rest from men until they decide what to do with her character. I am sick of the fanbase bones we are getting, and agree, we will continue to get.
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Dec 2 2012, 10:17 AM
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Well the writers do still have a responsibility to get the ratings up and if the shows they're writting aren't doing the job they will be fired like MarDar were. That might be our only hope for them to change things completely around and try something different than the same old same old. If I was Tomlin I'd be on these message boards seeing what's not working and what is and act on it. And no you can't please everyone especially when it comes to pairings, but you sure can make a lot more viewers happy with what's happening with their favorite character than what they're doing.
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Dec 2 2012, 10:32 AM
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It's got to be this as most if not all of these characters/pairings have gotten crappy writing for a long time. Personally, as badly as Ejami have treated each other, Ejole is almost as bad, with EJ choking/tracking then falling in love with Nikki's sister/ inadvertently killing her mother. Safe seemed to have better writing, but then Rafe fell in love with Sami's sister. A definite "no no" on my "rootable couple" list. Course, Sami slept with EJ while married to Rafe, which didnt go over well either. Then there's the crazy Lumi history, many up n downs, culminating most recently in Sami choosing EJ again over Lucas to go on the run after the Daysaster. None of these characters pairings have gotten "rootable" writing, if you ask me, at least not like the olden Days, so your only choice is to go with which ones you like best together.
No no. The other choice is to hate all of them. It's a good time to start, too, because the other stories that are on are actually decent for the most part and all of these characters are background noise. It's a good time to not have a dog in the Sami's hoo ha fight.
I say bring in some new women in the 30 something age range for Rafe, Ej and Lucas and let Sami take a rest from men until they decide what to do with her character. I am sick of the fanbase bones we are getting, and agree, we will continue to get. IA they need to bring in some thiry age women I can't root for sami and anyone these days they could bring sarah horton in for either EJ or Rafe but I do wish they would give lucas a story even if its a D story or he goes back to being a player these filler scenes he gets are not doing it at all
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Dec 2 2012, 10:35 AM
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I've been staying off all the boards for a while and fanbase wars, biased bloggers have just contributed to my disinterest. This board is tons better than some others, but the entire soap online experience has just tired me out. I find the idea that TPTB keep going to certain pairing or teasing them because people online chat about them tired because without decent story it matters not. I always wonder when stories appeal to couple shippers and really don't interest many else why does it matter? Even if EJ and Sami had 20,000 fans in their fanbase, and that number is way high, why does it matter.
I don't begrudge people who like them, and there was a time long ago they interested me, but that's faded. It's become like a lot of the long term pairings on other shows, repetitive, tired,and played out. I know folks will contend they never were an official couple, but other than diehard, IMO people don't care anymore. GH has increased their viewership since their 2 so called popular pairings have gone(Patrick and Robin and Jason and Sam), since the so called mega popular Jason has left and it's only forced the show into doing other things which in their case has turned out positive. I don't see any mega popular pairings on that show now.
I'm glad Days has invested in some other things and while I think the show is better, it's still slow and tedious and lacks good cliffhangers. It feels just like Y&R does, better in terms of the canvas, better dialogue, some diff characters given story, but the show feels very tired and worn out to me. I guess it's likely true that they are just playing it safe hoping that they will get enough of a boost to get a renewal, which will probably happen.
Sorry to go off on a tangent.
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Dec 2 2012, 10:37 AM
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If I was Tomlin I'd be on these message boards seeing what's not working and what is and act on it. And no you can't please everyone especially when it comes to pairings, but you sure can make a lot more viewers happy with what's happening with their favorite character than what they're doing. For all we know, Whitesell and Tomlin might have already done just that. I doubt it, but there is that possibility. They're so far ahead in the taping schedule that, even if they did change course based on viewer feedback and abandon the Daniel and Jennifer pairing (as just one example), we wouldn't know about it until February or later.
I don't mind the taping schedule, because, for better or worse, it's keeping costs down, and that contributes to being able to keep Days on the air. It's the same reason that I find the occasional product placement dialogue acceptable. It's a necessary evil, IMO.
That said, it does have some obvious drawbacks. We can't assume, simply because we're being given an overdose of Daniel and Jennifer right now, that they're not listening to our feedback. It might be a safe assumption -- I'm not denying that (they did, after all, decide to revisit the pairing, despite negative feedback from the first round -- though I can't say with confidence that the feedback was as overwhelmingly negative during the first attempt) -- but it's still an assumption. Even if you take spoilers into account (in this case, based on the casting for J.J., many people have speculated that Daniel and Jennifer are still together in the episodes that are currently being taped, and that J.J. is going to act as their next phase of angst), we're still just making assumptions. Perhaps Whitesell and Tomlin will surprise us in the end; maybe J.J. is being brought to Salem to successfully break up Daniel and Jennifer for good. Stranger things have happened.
But probably not.
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Dec 2 2012, 10:43 AM
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I've been staying off all the boards for a while and fanbase wars, biased bloggers have just contributed to my disinterest. This board is tons better than some others, but the entire soap online experience has just tired me out. I find the idea that TPTB keep going to certain pairing or teasing them because people online chat about them tired because without decent story it matters not. I always wonder when stories appeal to couple shippers and really don't interest many else why does it matter? Even if EJ and Sami had 20,000 fans in their fanbase, and that number is way high, why does it matter.
I don't begrudge people who like them, and there was a time long ago they interested me, but that's faded. It's become like a lot of the long term pairings on other shows, repetitive, tired,and played out. I know folks will contend they never were an official couple, but other than diehard, IMO people don't care anymore. GH has increased their viewership since their 2 so called popular pairings have gone(Patrick and Robin and Jason and Sam), since the so called mega popular Jason has left and it's only forced the show into doing other things which in their case has turned out positive. I don't see any mega popular pairings on that show now.
I'm glad Days has invested in some other things and while I think the show is better, it's still slow and tedious and lacks good cliffhangers. It feels just like Y&R does, better in terms of the canvas, better dialogue, some diff characters given story, but the show feels very tired and worn out to me. I guess it's likely true that they are just playing it safe hoping that they will get enough of a boost to get a renewal, which will probably happen.
Sorry to go off on a tangent.
I'm not a fan of Ejami then go for them and let the other guys move on don't drag out these boring ass triangles.All it has done has made me hate sami.
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Dec 2 2012, 11:19 AM
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I've been staying off all the boards for a while and fanbase wars, biased bloggers have just contributed to my disinterest. This board is tons better than some others, but the entire soap online experience has just tired me out. I find the idea that TPTB keep going to certain pairing or teasing them because people online chat about them tired because without decent story it matters not. I always wonder when stories appeal to couple shippers and really don't interest many else why does it matter? Even if EJ and Sami had 20,000 fans in their fanbase, and that number is way high, why does it matter.
I don't begrudge people who like them, and there was a time long ago they interested me, but that's faded. It's become like a lot of the long term pairings on other shows, repetitive, tired,and played out. I know folks will contend they never were an official couple, but other than diehard, IMO people don't care anymore. GH has increased their viewership since their 2 so called popular pairings have gone(Patrick and Robin and Jason and Sam), since the so called mega popular Jason has left and it's only forced the show into doing other things which in their case has turned out positive. I don't see any mega popular pairings on that show now.
I'm glad Days has invested in some other things and while I think the show is better, it's still slow and tedious and lacks good cliffhangers. It feels just like Y&R does, better in terms of the canvas, better dialogue, some diff characters given story, but the show feels very tired and worn out to me. I guess it's likely true that they are just playing it safe hoping that they will get enough of a boost to get a renewal, which will probably happen.
Sorry to go off on a tangent.
I'm not a fan of Ejami then go for them and let the other guys move on don't drag out these boring ass triangles.All it has done has made me hate sami. That's why I say they need to figure out what they want Sami to be- a vixen, a heroine, a slut, fickle-- what is it? They can't keep changing who or what she is every 6 months. It is destroying her character almost to the point of no return.
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Dec 2 2012, 11:25 AM
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I don't mind the taping schedule, because, for better or worse, it's keeping costs down, and that contributes to being able to keep Days on the air. It's the same reason that I find the occasional product placement dialogue acceptable. It's a necessary evil, IMO. With three different couples having sex on Friday's (11/30) and Monday's (12/3) episodes, I'm surprised Days hasn't partnered with a condom manufacturer for some product placement. Just put a box of them on a nightstand with the label and brand name clearly visible as the couples roll around or kiss or whatever. I cannot imagine any viewers objecting to this for any of the three couples in question. It's not only a missed opportunity for a little bit of extra revenue, it's the responsible thing to do as there was a news report this week on the rapidly climbing HIV rate among young gay men. We should have seen a box of condoms somewhere in Sonny's apartment at the very least.
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I don't mind the taping schedule, because, for better or worse, it's keeping costs down, and that contributes to being able to keep Days on the air. It's the same reason that I find the occasional product placement dialogue acceptable. It's a necessary evil, IMO.
With three different couples having sex on Friday's (11/30) and Monday's (12/3) episodes, I'm surprised Days hasn't partnered with a condom manufacturer for some product placement. Just put a box of them on a nightstand with the label and brand name clearly visible as the couples roll around or kiss or whatever. I cannot imagine any viewers objecting to this for any of the three couples in question. It's not only a missed opportunity for a little bit of extra revenue, it's the responsible thing to do as there was a news report this week on the rapidly climbing HIV rate among young gay men. We should have seen a box of condoms somewhere in Sonny's apartment at the very least. You make a good point. I can't believe Gabi and Will didn't use any protection at all and she's surprise she came up pregnant. I love to see Daniel have a box of condoms in his office and Jennifer noticing that it was more half empty. :D
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No no. The other choice is to hate all of them. It's a good time to start, too, because the other stories that are on are actually decent for the most part and all of these characters are background noise. It's a good time to not have a dog in the Sami's hoo ha fight.
I say bring in some new women in the 30 something age range for Rafe, Ej and Lucas and let Sami take a rest from men until they decide what to do with her character. I am sick of the fanbase bones we are getting, and agree, we will continue to get.
IA they need to bring in some thiry age women I can't root for sami and anyone these days they could bring sarah horton in for either EJ or Rafe but I do wish they would give lucas a story even if its a D story or he goes back to being a player these filler scenes he gets are not doing it at all Could you imagine Maggie's reaction if they brought Sarah home and EJ caught her eye? And why can't they write for more of the characters? Why can't Lucas have a storyline or Justin and Adrienne? Why don't they try writting for more of the characters on the show and not just their favorites?
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I don't mind the taping schedule, because, for better or worse, it's keeping costs down, and that contributes to being able to keep Days on the air. It's the same reason that I find the occasional product placement dialogue acceptable. It's a necessary evil, IMO.
With three different couples having sex on Friday's (11/30) and Monday's (12/3) episodes, I'm surprised Days hasn't partnered with a condom manufacturer for some product placement. Just put a box of them on a nightstand with the label and brand name clearly visible as the couples roll around or kiss or whatever. I cannot imagine any viewers objecting to this for any of the three couples in question. It's not only a missed opportunity for a little bit of extra revenue, it's the responsible thing to do as there was a news report this week on the rapidly climbing HIV rate among young gay men. We should have seen a box of condoms somewhere in Sonny's apartment at the very least.
You make a good point. I can't believe Gabi and Will didn't use any protection at all and she's surprise she came up pregnant. I love to see Daniel have a box of condoms in his office and Jennifer noticing that it was more half empty. :D The show made a big deal about Will and Gabi using protection their first time, and it seems bonkers that they wouldn't use it again. Will had been hanging out in gay clubs with Neil off screen, and that puts him in a high risk group. I would have preferred it if their protection failed somehow.
Sonny has had other partners, he said so. He and Will should be using protection as well until they have conversation about fidelity and both get tested. When everything is revealed, I hope Sonny calls Will out for the unprotected sex.
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I say bring in some new women in the 30 something age range for Rafe, Ej and Lucas and let Sami take a rest from men until they decide what to do with her character. I am sick of the fanbase bones we are getting, and agree, we will continue to get.
IA they need to bring in some thiry age women I can't root for sami and anyone these days they could bring sarah horton in for either EJ or Rafe but I do wish they would give lucas a story even if its a D story or he goes back to being a player these filler scenes he gets are not doing it at all
Could you imagine Maggie's reaction if they brought Sarah home and EJ caught her eye? And why can't they write for more of the characters? Why can't Lucas have a storyline or Justin and Adrienne? Why don't they try writting for more of the characters on the show and not just their favorites? JUstin and adrienne another good example of characters who need stories.
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With three different couples having sex on Friday's (11/30) and Monday's (12/3) episodes, I'm surprised Days hasn't partnered with a condom manufacturer for some product placement. Just put a box of them on a nightstand with the label and brand name clearly visible as the couples roll around or kiss or whatever. I cannot imagine any viewers objecting to this for any of the three couples in question. It's not only a missed opportunity for a little bit of extra revenue, it's the responsible thing to do as there was a news report this week on the rapidly climbing HIV rate among young gay men. We should have seen a box of condoms somewhere in Sonny's apartment at the very least. They promote Midol for the women's cramps at least once a year so why not condoms too... ^o)
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With three different couples having sex on Friday's (11/30) and Monday's (12/3) episodes, I'm surprised Days hasn't partnered with a condom manufacturer for some product placement. Just put a box of them on a nightstand with the label and brand name clearly visible as the couples roll around or kiss or whatever. I cannot imagine any viewers objecting to this for any of the three couples in question. It's not only a missed opportunity for a little bit of extra revenue, it's the responsible thing to do as there was a news report this week on the rapidly climbing HIV rate among young gay men. We should have seen a box of condoms somewhere in Sonny's apartment at the very least.
They promote Midol for the women's cramps at least once a year so why not condoms too... ^o) Considering the rate of unplanned pregnancies in Salem, the condom manufacturers may not consider Days a good advertising vehicle for their product. ;)
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With three different couples having sex on Friday's (11/30) and Monday's (12/3) episodes, I'm surprised Days hasn't partnered with a condom manufacturer for some product placement. Just put a box of them on a nightstand with the label and brand name clearly visible as the couples roll around or kiss or whatever. I cannot imagine any viewers objecting to this for any of the three couples in question. It's not only a missed opportunity for a little bit of extra revenue, it's the responsible thing to do as there was a news report this week on the rapidly climbing HIV rate among young gay men. We should have seen a box of condoms somewhere in Sonny's apartment at the very least.
They promote Midol for the women's cramps at least once a year so why not condoms too... ^o)
Considering the rate of unplanned pregnancies in Salem, the condom manufacturers may not consider Days a good advertising vehicle for their product. ;) And the advertising is always cringeworthy. :embarrassed: Not that the writing for the regular show isn't cringeworthy as well sometimes.
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With three different couples having sex on Friday's (11/30) and Monday's (12/3) episodes, I'm surprised Days hasn't partnered with a condom manufacturer for some product placement. Just put a box of them on a nightstand with the label and brand name clearly visible as the couples roll around or kiss or whatever. I cannot imagine any viewers objecting to this for any of the three couples in question. It's not only a missed opportunity for a little bit of extra revenue, it's the responsible thing to do as there was a news report this week on the rapidly climbing HIV rate among young gay men. We should have seen a box of condoms somewhere in Sonny's apartment at the very least.
They promote Midol for the women's cramps at least once a year so why not condoms too... ^o)
Considering the rate of unplanned pregnancies in Salem, the condom manufacturers may not consider Days a good advertising vehicle for their product. ;)
And the advertising is always cringeworthy. :embarrassed: Not that the writing for the regular show isn't cringeworthy as well sometimes. There doesn't need to be anything said about the condom usage. Just display an opened box next to the bed. Surely viewers of even this show could figure out why they are there. With Kristen presumably past child bearing age, Gabi already pregnant and Will/Sonny not eligible for pregnancy, the condom manufacturers shouldn't need to worry about their product being perceived as faulty. As for the never mentioned STD rate in Salem, that's a whole other story. I couldn't imagine what is being transmitted back and forth between these people. I'm sure it is some scary stuff as it has undoubtedly reached superbug status by now.
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We see the office set on Monday, too. I guess Abby could have dropped all the kids off there, but that would raise the question of where they were while Johnny was helping out. Who owns the Horton house, now? Jennifer hasn't ever hated EJ as far as I recall, (even if she should) so she probably wouldn't really care that he was at her house.
The election...lol. They're not friendly and EJ was just threatening revenge. I think the office would have made sense. Abby could have had to leave and just drop the kids off and Johnny just gave his opinion then. Whatever. It's better than living room therapy.
Or Abby could have given advice, or Allie or Sydney. Would've made more sense, and EJabby interaction. I think Abby would have to be a bit touched in the head to be 20+ years old and giving the advice that lead to EJ and Sami coming up with the name. The kids who play Johnny are the most charismatic of the bunch. The scene wouldn't have been as cute without them.
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Considering the rate of unplanned pregnancies in Salem, the condom manufacturers may not consider Days a good advertising vehicle for their product. ;)
And the advertising is always cringeworthy. :embarrassed: Not that the writing for the regular show isn't cringeworthy as well sometimes.
There doesn't need to be anything said about the condom usage. Just display an opened box next to the bed. Surely viewers of even this show could figure out why they are there. With Kristen presumably past child bearing age, Gabi already pregnant and Will/Sonny not eligible for pregnancy, the condom manufacturers shouldn't need to worry about their product being perceived as faulty. As for the never mentioned STD rate in Salem, that's a whole other story. I couldn't imagine what is being transmitted back and forth between these people. I'm sure it is some scary stuff as it has undoubtedly reached superbug status by now. Yeah, I meant to say blatant advertising like the Midol plug. More characters should be shown be practicing safe sex.
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