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Spoilers for the week of December 17th; *updated 12/7*
Topic Started: Nov 30 2012, 09:05 PM (30,755 Views)
Courtneya6688
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Why would jen even care about brady and kristen. Brady and jen really arent that close which is why when he believed nicole over her i wasnt really suprised. But i feel since nicole isnt around in these spoilers kristen will become the person everyone has to save someone from
Edited by Courtneya6688, Dec 1 2012, 10:41 AM.
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Safensane


Will&Sonny..... Must agree with you... if you don't like it, don't watch. I've been on this roller coaster from the very beginning and there are times I've just walked away. But like any addiction, you just can't get rid of it and it pulls you back.

I'd never call for cancellation...too many opportunities for the show to get better, new actors, new writers, new characters....but most importantly, so many jobs are totally dependent on Days and on so many levels starting from the cast and crew down to the guy who may perform the most menial tasks. I love reading everyone's posts here, some should actually write comedy....but when it comes to cancellation, we need to step back and think before pressing that "add reply" button. This site is read by those work on Days in different areas and opinions matter. Hey, we can yell and scream about EJ or Rafe or Dr. Dan all we want, that's why this is such a great place.....but what would we do if we had no where to go and nothing to scream about!
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-Sonny spoiler? Old, boring, but not too bad
-Dannifer spoilers? WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS TO US!?
-Krady? Yuck! Everyone in Salem wants a good porno, so they walk in on them
-Rafe and Gabi? Boring
-EJ and Kristen? Who cares?
-Eric? Repetitive, but could be interesting. Hpefully the writers don't have him fall down an elevator shaft, though
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Even the spoilers are unoriginal! Everyone has a close, shared moment every week. Or confides in someone about Kristen. Or witnesses a close moment. Or walks in on a couple making love. Days is so unoriginal, I would've mistaken it for a reality show if I didn't know any better!
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Mason


Extricate Eileen Davidson from Eric Martsolf's orbit as quickly as possible, please. Thanks.

(Of course, with my luck, that would happen by way of Kristen either being killed off or drinking the Daniel koolaid like every other female on this show)
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These DVR Alerts are trying to alert us as to which day must be avoided by viewers.
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Will&Sonny
Dec 1 2012, 01:08 AM
This site is awesome. I love reading everyone's comments (even the ones that I don't agree with), and I'm enjoying participating in the discussions.

That said...while I respect everyone's opinions, I have to say that the random "cancel this godforsaken show already" comments seem a bit over-the-top. I don't understand why any fan of Days, past or present, would ever wish cancellation on the show, even if they're currently dissatisfied with it for whatever reason. If someone hated the show that much, why would they waste time criticizing it on a site filled with people who, to some degree or another, still enjoy it?

I loved season one of The Walking Dead, but I thought that the second season was a colossal waste of time. Based on that opinion, I decided to quit watching the show. I guess that I could go into The Walking Dead discussion threads (here or elsewhere) and loudly proclaim that I believe that it's a horrible show that should be cancelled immediately (not that I actually believe that at all, because the show's existence doesn't bother me one way or another), but...what would be the point? :shrug:

Sorry. I'll step down off of my soapbox now. :soapbox:
This isn't a site filled with people who love Days no matter what. It never has been. It is a site that will tell it like it is - if we love the show/stories/characters, we will be the first ones in line singing their praises. If the show is fouling up and writing idiotic, plot-driven stories, constantly pimping/showcasing a handful of useless characters, rewriting history, etc., this will also be the place where Days gets called out on their crap.

I also think you can't compare The Walking Dead to Days. The Walking Dead is in its third season (and the second season is why I started watching the show). It has not been on the air for 35 years. Nobody's grandmother/mother/aunt grew up watching The Walking Dead and passed it along to you. The Walking Dead is not on five days a week.

For many people, Days feels like family. It has so many emotional and sentimental connections and memories for people. These characters and stories 1) were meant to be totally addicting to where you had to keep tuning in to find out WHAT HAPPENED, and 2) came into your home every day.

For some people they may feel like, "it's just a show." I would guess that is not the case for many soap fans. It isn't just a show like The Walking Dead that we may not care one way or the other about. There's so many shows where I could care less what happens to characters or triangles. Like The Vampire Diaries - I don't care if Elena ends up with Damon or Stefan. I prefer her with Stefan, but if they have her riding off into the sunset with Damon, I don't care. It doesn't really matter to me one way or the other. I'm not invested.

But holy hell, was I ever invested with Phloe. I've never cared about anything fictional the way I cared about them. When they broke up permanently the first go-round, *I* was sad. I felt like someone had broken up with me! LOL And I bet there are tons of people on this board who have experienced that very same emotional investment with a character or a couple or a storyline.

And I'm not even watching the show anymore. So according to you, I probably shouldn't even be posting here. But because of that connection, that investment, I still care about Days. I still want things to get better. I will always hold out hope for Philip and Chloe (however miniscule that hope actually is). So I certainly can't blame anyone who has been driven to the point of frustration/anger/bitterness that they want this connection totally severed, and for many people the only way that will happen is if the show is canceled. I'm pretty tired of this show kicking me in the teeth. I wish I could stop caring. Maybe the show will drive me to that point that I become totally apathetic and will stop checking spoilers and will stop posting.
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Daniel is a disgusting character. When a woman gives him what he wants, he's happy with them and totally in love. When they disappoint him, they're horrible terrible women who deserve to be miserable without him and then they grovel to get him back. Daniel is such a black hole of a character. He's absolutely terrible.

I've realized my problem with Days is the writing is just far too 'obvious' VERY heavy-handed in a VERY obvious way. Sigh.
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Sariah
Dec 1 2012, 01:53 PM
Will&Sonny
Dec 1 2012, 01:08 AM
This site is awesome. I love reading everyone's comments (even the ones that I don't agree with), and I'm enjoying participating in the discussions.

That said...while I respect everyone's opinions, I have to say that the random "cancel this godforsaken show already" comments seem a bit over-the-top. I don't understand why any fan of Days, past or present, would ever wish cancellation on the show, even if they're currently dissatisfied with it for whatever reason. If someone hated the show that much, why would they waste time criticizing it on a site filled with people who, to some degree or another, still enjoy it?

I loved season one of The Walking Dead, but I thought that the second season was a colossal waste of time. Based on that opinion, I decided to quit watching the show. I guess that I could go into The Walking Dead discussion threads (here or elsewhere) and loudly proclaim that I believe that it's a horrible show that should be cancelled immediately (not that I actually believe that at all, because the show's existence doesn't bother me one way or another), but...what would be the point? :shrug:

Sorry. I'll step down off of my soapbox now. :soapbox:
This isn't a site filled with people who love Days no matter what. It never has been. It is a site that will tell it like it is - if we love the show/stories/characters, we will be the first ones in line singing their praises. If the show is fouling up and writing idiotic, plot-driven stories, constantly pimping/showcasing a handful of useless characters, rewriting history, etc., this will also be the place where Days gets called out on their crap.

I also think you can't compare The Walking Dead to Days. The Walking Dead is in its third season (and the second season is why I started watching the show). It has not been on the air for 35 years. Nobody's grandmother/mother/aunt grew up watching The Walking Dead and passed it along to you. The Walking Dead is not on five days a week.

For many people, Days feels like family. It has so many emotional and sentimental connections and memories for people. These characters and stories 1) were meant to be totally addicting to where you had to keep tuning in to find out WHAT HAPPENED, and 2) came into your home every day.

For some people they may feel like, "it's just a show." I would guess that is not the case for many soap fans. It isn't just a show like The Walking Dead that we may not care one way or the other about. There's so many shows where I could care less what happens to characters or triangles. Like The Vampire Diaries - I don't care if Elena ends up with Damon or Stefan. I prefer her with Stefan, but if they have her riding off into the sunset with Damon, I don't care. It doesn't really matter to me one way or the other. I'm not invested.

But holy hell, was I ever invested with Phloe. I've never cared about anything fictional the way I cared about them. When they broke up permanently the first go-round, *I* was sad. I felt like someone had broken up with me! LOL And I bet there are tons of people on this board who have experienced that very same emotional investment with a character or a couple or a storyline.

And I'm not even watching the show anymore. So according to you, I probably shouldn't even be posting here. But because of that connection, that investment, I still care about Days. I still want things to get better. I will always hold out hope for Philip and Chloe (however miniscule that hope actually is). So I certainly can't blame anyone who has been driven to the point of frustration/anger/bitterness that they want this connection totally severed, and for many people the only way that will happen is if the show is canceled. I'm pretty tired of this show kicking me in the teeth. I wish I could stop caring. Maybe the show will drive me to that point that I become totally apathetic and will stop checking spoilers and will stop posting.
Insert Jack and Jennifer for Philip and Chloe, and that pretty much describes me. By the way, I don't care all that much about Philip or Chloe, but I think I could have, and I do think that was the best pairing for both characters. I can't believe what they did to Philip, making him all whooped over Melanie who wanted (incredibly boring) Nathan anyway. That was so stupid. I didn't think the pairing with Daniel was good for Chloe either, but I don't think any of his pairings have been good for the female involved. I really thought they were heading for Chloe/Philip and Carly/Daniel, and I wish they'd done that. I think they were setting up for Carly/Dan, but then when Jennifer came back, I think they decided they could further cement Dan by sticking him with Jennifer, as she is (was) a more beloved character and was so tied to the show. But I think Carly/Dan would have been much better for his character (and certainly better for Jennifer's!). I don't understand why the show is so obsessed with trying to get Dan to fly. It's weird. I do think they've seen a lot of (I think valid) criticism toward the character, and even noticed it. Thus, that little hiatus he had. But then they brought him back and continued even more with what was wrong in the first place. I don't get why they didn't just ax him, rather than (poorly) attempt to revamp him. Look, I know all characters are criticized and none are universally loved or universally hated. Take EJ. He gets a lot of hate, but he also gets a lot of love. I mean, he's a favorite character of many. Or take Jack. Same story. Also, characters like EJ or Jack can drive story. But I don't think Dan's a "favorite character" type or that he drives story well. I mean, the main thing I see as far as praise for Dan goes is "he's hot." So I just don't get this Herculean effort being made with him. There's plenty of "hot" on Days. The show doesn't need him for that. If they'd gone the Neil Curtis route with him, I think that could have been okay. But this whole trying to pretend he's a "you're the great love of my life" type is dumb. He said that to Chloe. Then it was Jennifer a nanosecond later. Then he was enjoying some Nicole booty for months with no hint of thinking about Jennifer, but now I'm to believe he's sooo in love with Jennifer. Come on, Days. It's just idiotic.
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Well said, Sariah! That's how I feel about John & Marlena.

I am, just barely now, a DAYS watcher.
I am, for 15 years now, a John & Marlena fan.

I don't think I've ever enjoyed the show as a whole. I missed the 80s, so I missed the great DAYS era where the show really was a family. It was by far a different, decent show (great by comparison to the DAYS we have now) in the 90s, but there were whole parts that I just FFed if I could.

Watching does not = fan. I watch Mike and Molly, but it's not because I'm a fan of the show. I'm a long time Melissa McCarthy fan, and since the universe hasn't given her a good show, I'll watch the crappy ones until it happens.
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KMan101
Dec 1 2012, 02:01 PM
I've realized my problem with Days is the writing is just far too 'obvious' VERY heavy-handed in a VERY obvious way. Sigh.
I feel the exact same way lately. Although TomSell have done better with many other components of the show, the writing is becoming glaringly OTT obvious and the acting is dull and boring because of it. Forceful writing doesn't allow for the actor to really add their "personal touch" to their scenes, thus making all the characters all very much the same and creates a extra 'rushed' feeling around everything that is happening.

It is pretty clear that the writers don't know how some of the characters should act or respond in certain situations and when the writing, and probably relies on the director to make it all work on screen....but something is 'missing' so things fall flat.

IMO, Execution & Writing are the most important a soap because things are suppose to happen rather quickly and here we have DAYS repeating the same messages, using the same tactics for the same characters and or applying them to other character and their interaction. I hate the repetitive dialogue & scenes that mitigate the same outcome. It is highschooler approach in creating drama or agnst or SL evolution... and it just doesn't work.

DAYS is taking too many short cuts, looking for a quick fix...
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Mason


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Dec 1 2012, 02:51 PM
Watching does not = fan. I watch Mike and Molly, but it's not because I'm a fan of the show. I'm a long time Melissa McCarthy fan, and since the universe hasn't given her a good show...
I hope you mean "since Gilmore Girls". ;)
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Nov 30 2012, 09:49 PM
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Nov 30 2012, 09:18 PM
Not bad if you cross out all Dannifer mentions.
Agreed. Jennifer's name should not appear four times and Daniel's name should not appear three times in eight spoiler lines.

I can only guess that someone in the PR department loves this couple and has been told to keep the rest of the show on a virtual lockdown. None of the other spoilers even tell us anything that we don't already know from previous spoilers.
Probably the typical over exposure leading to the Chloe comeback and then the perfect couple get their perfect world rocked but are still so in "love". TPTB are most likely banking on this being an "intriguing" story. :rolleyes:
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DraDeeDOESitBETTER best couple on DAYS

only looking forward to krady the rest is boring. i dont give a fuck about dannifer. *puke*
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Sariah
Dec 1 2012, 01:53 PM
This isn't a site filled with people who love Days no matter what. It never has been. It is a site that will tell it like it is - if we love the show/stories/characters, we will be the first ones in line singing their praises. If the show is fouling up and writing idiotic, plot-driven stories, constantly pimping/showcasing a handful of useless characters, rewriting history, etc., this will also be the place where Days gets called out on their crap.

I also think you can't compare The Walking Dead to Days. The Walking Dead is in its third season (and the second season is why I started watching the show). It has not been on the air for 35 years. Nobody's grandmother/mother/aunt grew up watching The Walking Dead and passed it along to you. The Walking Dead is not on five days a week.

For many people, Days feels like family. It has so many emotional and sentimental connections and memories for people. These characters and stories 1) were meant to be totally addicting to where you had to keep tuning in to find out WHAT HAPPENED, and 2) came into your home every day.

For some people they may feel like, "it's just a show." I would guess that is not the case for many soap fans. It isn't just a show like The Walking Dead that we may not care one way or the other about. There's so many shows where I could care less what happens to characters or triangles. Like The Vampire Diaries - I don't care if Elena ends up with Damon or Stefan. I prefer her with Stefan, but if they have her riding off into the sunset with Damon, I don't care. It doesn't really matter to me one way or the other. I'm not invested.

But holy hell, was I ever invested with Phloe. I've never cared about anything fictional the way I cared about them. When they broke up permanently the first go-round, *I* was sad. I felt like someone had broken up with me! LOL And I bet there are tons of people on this board who have experienced that very same emotional investment with a character or a couple or a storyline.

And I'm not even watching the show anymore. So according to you, I probably shouldn't even be posting here. But because of that connection, that investment, I still care about Days. I still want things to get better. I will always hold out hope for Philip and Chloe (however miniscule that hope actually is). So I certainly can't blame anyone who has been driven to the point of frustration/anger/bitterness that they want this connection totally severed, and for many people the only way that will happen is if the show is canceled. I'm pretty tired of this show kicking me in the teeth. I wish I could stop caring. Maybe the show will drive me to that point that I become totally apathetic and will stop checking spoilers and will stop posting.
Regarding the bolded part...to be clear, I never said anything like that. My comments were about people who were wishing for the show to be cancelled, which is a far cry from simply voicing your concerns about current storylines or pairings.

Calling the show out on its crap and calling for it to be cancelled are two completely different things. Doing the former is fine, IMO, but doing the latter simply doesn't make sense to me, because it blatantly disregards the many people who are still enjoying the show, and it also disregards the consequences of cancellation for the cast and crew (as I mentioned in my second post on the subject).

Also, you're reading too far into my The Walking Dead comparison. I never implied that the legacy of The Walking Dead was comparable to the legacy of Days of our Lives. It was a comparison of two shows that some viewers have grown dissatisfied with -- nothing more. I could have chosen any number of shows for the comparison.

If you really want the comparison to be based on two soap operas, I could say the same thing about General Hospital. I have never really liked GH. I "watch" it (if you can call it that, since I fast-forward through the majority of each episode), and have for a number of years, but I do so for two reasons (one of which is no longer relevant) -- Jonathan Jackson (who was one of the best actors in any soap opera, IMO) and Michael's storyline (which, I suppose, isn't that relevant these days, either -- meaning, I watched his prison rape storyline because it was a new, important storyline for a soap opera to tackle, but it's basically run its course at this point). I literally fast-forward through everything else, and either hate or am indifferent to every other character on the show. However, I have never once wished for the show to be cancelled, because I don't see the point in doing so. Many people love the show, even if I do not. The same can be said for Days.

Anyway, I realize that a spoiler thread isn't really the best place to be discussing something like this; I wasn't going to say anything else about the subject after my second post, but I did want to clarify that I never said that people who aren't watching the show should not be posting here. Sorry for the derail!
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Dec 1 2012, 02:39 PM
Sariah
Dec 1 2012, 01:53 PM
Will&Sonny
Dec 1 2012, 01:08 AM
This site is awesome. I love reading everyone's comments (even the ones that I don't agree with), and I'm enjoying participating in the discussions.

That said...while I respect everyone's opinions, I have to say that the random "cancel this godforsaken show already" comments seem a bit over-the-top. I don't understand why any fan of Days, past or present, would ever wish cancellation on the show, even if they're currently dissatisfied with it for whatever reason. If someone hated the show that much, why would they waste time criticizing it on a site filled with people who, to some degree or another, still enjoy it?

I loved season one of The Walking Dead, but I thought that the second season was a colossal waste of time. Based on that opinion, I decided to quit watching the show. I guess that I could go into The Walking Dead discussion threads (here or elsewhere) and loudly proclaim that I believe that it's a horrible show that should be cancelled immediately (not that I actually believe that at all, because the show's existence doesn't bother me one way or another), but...what would be the point? :shrug:

Sorry. I'll step down off of my soapbox now. :soapbox:
This isn't a site filled with people who love Days no matter what. It never has been. It is a site that will tell it like it is - if we love the show/stories/characters, we will be the first ones in line singing their praises. If the show is fouling up and writing idiotic, plot-driven stories, constantly pimping/showcasing a handful of useless characters, rewriting history, etc., this will also be the place where Days gets called out on their crap.

I also think you can't compare The Walking Dead to Days. The Walking Dead is in its third season (and the second season is why I started watching the show). It has not been on the air for 35 years. Nobody's grandmother/mother/aunt grew up watching The Walking Dead and passed it along to you. The Walking Dead is not on five days a week.

For many people, Days feels like family. It has so many emotional and sentimental connections and memories for people. These characters and stories 1) were meant to be totally addicting to where you had to keep tuning in to find out WHAT HAPPENED, and 2) came into your home every day.

For some people they may feel like, "it's just a show." I would guess that is not the case for many soap fans. It isn't just a show like The Walking Dead that we may not care one way or the other about. There's so many shows where I could care less what happens to characters or triangles. Like The Vampire Diaries - I don't care if Elena ends up with Damon or Stefan. I prefer her with Stefan, but if they have her riding off into the sunset with Damon, I don't care. It doesn't really matter to me one way or the other. I'm not invested.

But holy hell, was I ever invested with Phloe. I've never cared about anything fictional the way I cared about them. When they broke up permanently the first go-round, *I* was sad. I felt like someone had broken up with me! LOL And I bet there are tons of people on this board who have experienced that very same emotional investment with a character or a couple or a storyline.

And I'm not even watching the show anymore. So according to you, I probably shouldn't even be posting here. But because of that connection, that investment, I still care about Days. I still want things to get better. I will always hold out hope for Philip and Chloe (however miniscule that hope actually is). So I certainly can't blame anyone who has been driven to the point of frustration/anger/bitterness that they want this connection totally severed, and for many people the only way that will happen is if the show is canceled. I'm pretty tired of this show kicking me in the teeth. I wish I could stop caring. Maybe the show will drive me to that point that I become totally apathetic and will stop checking spoilers and will stop posting.
Insert Jack and Jennifer for Philip and Chloe, and that pretty much describes me. By the way, I don't care all that much about Philip or Chloe, but I think I could have, and I do think that was the best pairing for both characters. I can't believe what they did to Philip, making him all whooped over Melanie who wanted (incredibly boring) Nathan anyway. That was so stupid. I didn't think the pairing with Daniel was good for Chloe either, but I don't think any of his pairings have been good for the female involved. I really thought they were heading for Chloe/Philip and Carly/Daniel, and I wish they'd done that. I think they were setting up for Carly/Dan, but then when Jennifer came back, I think they decided they could further cement Dan by sticking him with Jennifer, as she is (was) a more beloved character and was so tied to the show. But I think Carly/Dan would have been much better for his character (and certainly better for Jennifer's!). I don't understand why the show is so obsessed with trying to get Dan to fly. It's weird. I do think they've seen a lot of (I think valid) criticism toward the character, and even noticed it. Thus, that little hiatus he had. But then they brought him back and continued even more with what was wrong in the first place. I don't get why they didn't just ax him, rather than (poorly) attempt to revamp him. Look, I know all characters are criticized and none are universally loved or universally hated. Take EJ. He gets a lot of hate, but he also gets a lot of love. I mean, he's a favorite character of many. Or take Jack. Same story. Also, characters like EJ or Jack can drive story. But I don't think Dan's a "favorite character" type or that he drives story well. I mean, the main thing I see as far as praise for Dan goes is "he's hot." So I just don't get this Herculean effort being made with him. There's plenty of "hot" on Days. The show doesn't need him for that. If they'd gone the Neil Curtis route with him, I think that could have been okay. But this whole trying to pretend he's a "you're the great love of my life" type is dumb. He said that to Chloe. Then it was Jennifer a nanosecond later. Then he was enjoying some Nicole booty for months with no hint of thinking about Jennifer, but now I'm to believe he's sooo in love with Jennifer. Come on, Days. It's just idiotic.
I agree. I was holding hope out for Daniel and Carly, but Jennifer ruined everything. The show would have been better if Jennifer was the druggie who left town, and Daniel was with Carly. I did think Dannifer was cute, but Darly would have been better.
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Dec 1 2012, 02:39 PM
Sariah
Dec 1 2012, 01:53 PM
Will&Sonny
Dec 1 2012, 01:08 AM
This site is awesome. I love reading everyone's comments (even the ones that I don't agree with), and I'm enjoying participating in the discussions.

That said...while I respect everyone's opinions, I have to say that the random "cancel this godforsaken show already" comments seem a bit over-the-top. I don't understand why any fan of Days, past or present, would ever wish cancellation on the show, even if they're currently dissatisfied with it for whatever reason. If someone hated the show that much, why would they waste time criticizing it on a site filled with people who, to some degree or another, still enjoy it?

I loved season one of The Walking Dead, but I thought that the second season was a colossal waste of time. Based on that opinion, I decided to quit watching the show. I guess that I could go into The Walking Dead discussion threads (here or elsewhere) and loudly proclaim that I believe that it's a horrible show that should be cancelled immediately (not that I actually believe that at all, because the show's existence doesn't bother me one way or another), but...what would be the point? :shrug:

Sorry. I'll step down off of my soapbox now. :soapbox:
This isn't a site filled with people who love Days no matter what. It never has been. It is a site that will tell it like it is - if we love the show/stories/characters, we will be the first ones in line singing their praises. If the show is fouling up and writing idiotic, plot-driven stories, constantly pimping/showcasing a handful of useless characters, rewriting history, etc., this will also be the place where Days gets called out on their crap.

I also think you can't compare The Walking Dead to Days. The Walking Dead is in its third season (and the second season is why I started watching the show). It has not been on the air for 35 years. Nobody's grandmother/mother/aunt grew up watching The Walking Dead and passed it along to you. The Walking Dead is not on five days a week.

For many people, Days feels like family. It has so many emotional and sentimental connections and memories for people. These characters and stories 1) were meant to be totally addicting to where you had to keep tuning in to find out WHAT HAPPENED, and 2) came into your home every day.

For some people they may feel like, "it's just a show." I would guess that is not the case for many soap fans. It isn't just a show like The Walking Dead that we may not care one way or the other about. There's so many shows where I could care less what happens to characters or triangles. Like The Vampire Diaries - I don't care if Elena ends up with Damon or Stefan. I prefer her with Stefan, but if they have her riding off into the sunset with Damon, I don't care. It doesn't really matter to me one way or the other. I'm not invested.

But holy hell, was I ever invested with Phloe. I've never cared about anything fictional the way I cared about them. When they broke up permanently the first go-round, *I* was sad. I felt like someone had broken up with me! LOL And I bet there are tons of people on this board who have experienced that very same emotional investment with a character or a couple or a storyline.

And I'm not even watching the show anymore. So according to you, I probably shouldn't even be posting here. But because of that connection, that investment, I still care about Days. I still want things to get better. I will always hold out hope for Philip and Chloe (however miniscule that hope actually is). So I certainly can't blame anyone who has been driven to the point of frustration/anger/bitterness that they want this connection totally severed, and for many people the only way that will happen is if the show is canceled. I'm pretty tired of this show kicking me in the teeth. I wish I could stop caring. Maybe the show will drive me to that point that I become totally apathetic and will stop checking spoilers and will stop posting.
Insert Jack and Jennifer for Philip and Chloe, and that pretty much describes me. By the way, I don't care all that much about Philip or Chloe, but I think I could have, and I do think that was the best pairing for both characters. I can't believe what they did to Philip, making him all whooped over Melanie who wanted (incredibly boring) Nathan anyway. That was so stupid. I didn't think the pairing with Daniel was good for Chloe either, but I don't think any of his pairings have been good for the female involved. I really thought they were heading for Chloe/Philip and Carly/Daniel, and I wish they'd done that. I think they were setting up for Carly/Dan, but then when Jennifer came back, I think they decided they could further cement Dan by sticking him with Jennifer, as she is (was) a more beloved character and was so tied to the show. But I think Carly/Dan would have been much better for his character (and certainly better for Jennifer's!). I don't understand why the show is so obsessed with trying to get Dan to fly. It's weird. I do think they've seen a lot of (I think valid) criticism toward the character, and even noticed it. Thus, that little hiatus he had. But then they brought him back and continued even more with what was wrong in the first place. I don't get why they didn't just ax him, rather than (poorly) attempt to revamp him. Look, I know all characters are criticized and none are universally loved or universally hated. Take EJ. He gets a lot of hate, but he also gets a lot of love. I mean, he's a favorite character of many. Or take Jack. Same story. Also, characters like EJ or Jack can drive story. But I don't think Dan's a "favorite character" type or that he drives story well. I mean, the main thing I see as far as praise for Dan goes is "he's hot." So I just don't get this Herculean effort being made with him. There's plenty of "hot" on Days. The show doesn't need him for that. If they'd gone the Neil Curtis route with him, I think that could have been okay. But this whole trying to pretend he's a "you're the great love of my life" type is dumb. He said that to Chloe. Then it was Jennifer a nanosecond later. Then he was enjoying some Nicole booty for months with no hint of thinking about Jennifer, but now I'm to believe he's sooo in love with Jennifer. Come on, Days. It's just idiotic.


I think Days doesn't see US now. They see what THEY see, and we don't see it. It's a puzzle.

I want some depth. I don't see Daniel as a character that has much depth. He's a surface character, at least so far. He jumps from woman to woman fairly quickly. As soon as one disappoints him, he dumps her and he DOESN'T look back, or forgive. He just looks to his next conquest. He speaks of love, but it doesn't feel genuine, because I know that if Jennifer disappointed him, he'd dump her and then his eyes would be traveling to the next candidate.

Once, before Daniel became this guy who flitted from woman to woman who seems to see women as basically interchangeable, I would have thought maybe Daniel and Kayla in the wake of her divorce, you know? She seems so sad about the split and I'd like for her to be happy. She and Daniel have the occasional nice scene. But he's too shallow for her. She deserves more.

I would have said the same for Jennifer, too, but...she WANTS him, and she doesn't SEE how shallow he is. I wish someone would really TELL him how shallow he is, cuz at least then I'd know THEY know why the fans don't find him very attractive. Even if a character did it tongue in cheek, you know? Not to hurt him, but just because they can SEE that he flits from woman to woman with nary a pause in between.

I'd find him a lot more likeable if folks saw his faults more, and pointed them out. And hey, maybe if HE saw his faults and acknowledged them and learned something from them. He doesn't, though.

I don't like Daniel and Jennifer. I just can't. Jack has been her best match, but I could have accepted her with someone else, probably, at some point, if the story were told with care...but I HATE that she moved on SOOO quickly with all this interest in Daniel in the wake of Jack's death. I despise that, and I can't help it.



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Kriss4
Dec 1 2012, 03:45 PM
I wish someone would really TELL him how shallow he is, cuz at least then I'd know THEY know why the fans don't find him very attractive. Even if a character did it tongue in cheek, you know? Not to hurt him, but just because they can SEE that he flits from woman to woman with nary a pause in between.
Billie did something similar to what you're suggesting shortly after she returned to Salem. There were a few scenes where she basically told him that, based on his past relationships with Kate and Chelsea, she thought that he was icky, and I'm fairly certain that she specifically mentioned his habit of sleeping with his female patients. That was under the previous head writers, though.

There was also a random scene where Kate barged into the Horton house and chastised Jennifer for dating Daniel, and Lucas complained about the relationship at one point, too. However, I think that all of these things happened before Whitesell and Tomlin took over.
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Anyone else want to walk in on Kristen and Brady? WTF cares??????????????
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Yeah, but it's not enough. In order for it to be enough, HE'D have to acknowledge that he DOES flit from woman to woman fairly quickly, and that his relationships aren't very deep, from his end.

It would have to be an accepted fact around town that that IS what he does...that that's his inclination. It wouldn't have to mean he has no friends, or that no one could be nice to him...It WOULD have to mean that everyone who is his friend would point it out at some time or other.

Maggie's his mother, and she thrust Jennifer out there for Daniel like some kind of gift mere weeks after Jack died. I lost some respect for her after that. She's known Jennifer all her life. She's loved Jennifer. Now Daniel and his feelings are more important than Jennifer's. Maggie should be more even handed.

Not only that, but she should have been more concerned about Daniel being involved with Jennifer for Jennifer's sake, because Dan DOES flit from woman to woman. Wouldn't she be concerned that Daniel might HURT Jennifer? Or that Jennifer isn't ready for any kind of new relationship right now because she's SUPPOSED to be grieving?

Hope is Jennifer's cousin. She should be concerned, too. So should Kayla.

It doesn't mean they can't LIKE Daniel...but can't they acknowledge his tendency to move very quickly in and out of relationships?

I would love it if one of them did.

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