lysie

Dec 11 2012, 09:25 PM

esp13

Dec 11 2012, 09:24 PM

lysie

Dec 11 2012, 09:10 PM

I'm so torn. I like that Rafe and Sami (and EJ) are all in supporting roles. However, this is by far my least favorite version of Sami. I about can't take it. Some of it's the writing, and some of it's the acting. This isn't Sami, and she's so damn saccharine I just want to brush my teeth.

I feel like the concept of the story is good, though. It's just not reaching it's potential. It's a shame these are the only younger actors and characters they have to choose from. IMO, the only scenes in this story that are good are the ones with just Will and Gabi. Nick, Chad, Sonny (seriously what has happened to Freddie Smith?), Rafe, Sami, and Caroline are all responsible for stinking this story up. I was one of the people the most irritated that Gabi got to just walk away from the explosions like nothing happened. I still feel that way. But more than that, I'm annoyed with Chad's reaction and now Sonny's. I think it's the actors.

I could go the rest of my life without ever seeing Daniel stare at his hands again. I really liked Kayla's response to the whole thing, and I liked the Jennifer/Abby scene. Maggie touching Daniel's hands was just BAD.

I need Nicole to get drunk STAT. I remember three years ago thinking that AZ was such a good crier. IDK if I've just gotten over it or if she's doing it differently now, but it's not good anymore.

Caroline and Rafe's reunion hug was AWKWARD.

So yeah. I didn't care for today. Oh, and did we miss Abby and Maggie finding out about what happened to Jennifer or was that while I was looking a list of top sports memes for the year?

I'm very much afraid to say this because I am likely to receive a cyber-punch. But I liked Sami in the pub scenes. I understand why it doesn't make sense, but I still liked it. And I also liked the little moment when she told Rafe "unfortunately, not when it matters most" when Rafe said he trusted her. I thought that moment was well played.

I think my issue with Sami is that I missed out on her so-called glory days. So, I don't have a real issue with her being written as a better person than she used to be. My biggest problem with the character for so long is that everything revolved around her and the stories sucked. But as a supporting character, she's suprisingly tolerable.

My issue is less that it doesn't make sense and more that it's not her and AS is AWFUL at it. I think Sami is being completely genuine (which I don't like) but it comes across fake.

lysie

Dec 11 2012, 09:10 PM

(seriously what has happened to Freddie Smith?)

esp13

Dec 11 2012, 09:27 PM

lysie

Dec 11 2012, 09:25 PM

esp13

Dec 11 2012, 09:24 PM

lysie

Dec 11 2012, 09:10 PM

I'm so torn. I like that Rafe and Sami (and EJ) are all in supporting roles. However, this is by far my least favorite version of Sami. I about can't take it. Some of it's the writing, and some of it's the acting. This isn't Sami, and she's so damn saccharine I just want to brush my teeth.

I feel like the concept of the story is good, though. It's just not reaching it's potential. It's a shame these are the only younger actors and characters they have to choose from. IMO, the only scenes in this story that are good are the ones with just Will and Gabi. Nick, Chad, Sonny (seriously what has happened to Freddie Smith?), Rafe, Sami, and Caroline are all responsible for stinking this story up. I was one of the people the most irritated that Gabi got to just walk away from the explosions like nothing happened. I still feel that way. But more than that, I'm annoyed with Chad's reaction and now Sonny's. I think it's the actors.

I could go the rest of my life without ever seeing Daniel stare at his hands again. I really liked Kayla's response to the whole thing, and I liked the Jennifer/Abby scene. Maggie touching Daniel's hands was just BAD.

I need Nicole to get drunk STAT. I remember three years ago thinking that AZ was such a good crier. IDK if I've just gotten over it or if she's doing it differently now, but it's not good anymore.

Caroline and Rafe's reunion hug was AWKWARD.

So yeah. I didn't care for today. Oh, and did we miss Abby and Maggie finding out about what happened to Jennifer or was that while I was looking a list of top sports memes for the year?

I'm very much afraid to say this because I am likely to receive a cyber-punch. But I liked Sami in the pub scenes. I understand why it doesn't make sense, but I still liked it. And I also liked the little moment when she told Rafe "unfortunately, not when it matters most" when Rafe said he trusted her. I thought that moment was well played.

I think my issue with Sami is that I missed out on her so-called glory days. So, I don't have a real issue with her being written as a better person than she used to be. My biggest problem with the character for so long is that everything revolved around her and the stories sucked. But as a supporting character, she's suprisingly tolerable.

My issue is less that it doesn't make sense and more that it's not her and AS is AWFUL at it. I think Sami is being completely genuine (which I don't like) but it comes across fake.

What do you mean by it's not her? I'm not disagreeing, I'm justn ot sure what that means.

Will&Sonny

Dec 11 2012, 09:30 PM

lysie

Dec 11 2012, 09:10 PM

(seriously what has happened to Freddie Smith?)

The question's a bit vague, so I'm not sure if this is what you're asking about, but...Freddie Smith sent out a tweet around the time that Will and Sonny first made love on-screen that revealed that he had been suffering from Bell's Palsy at the time of those scenes. In addition to not having full use of his facial muscles due to that fact, I have also seen speculation elsewhere that he's taking medications that are causing water retention, which would explain the weight gain that some viewers believe that they have seen recently.

The only thing that isn't clear is how long that condition remained an issue for Freddie. It might have cleared up quickly, in which case this would no longer be relevant.

Honeybees

Dec 11 2012, 06:18 PM

Honestly, it was a true sabotage of Gabi's character to have her not report Melanie's kidnapping. She's the sister of a cop, and she should have known that she wouldn't really be liable for Andrew's actions (and if by some quirk of the law it was, her reporting the whole thing would go a long way to getting her off the hook). And she wasn't portrayed as being afraid that Andrew would hurt her or kill Melanie, two things that would have made her actions make some kind of sense. Instead, she was just being stupid and cowardly.

lysie

Dec 11 2012, 09:32 PM

Will&Sonny

Dec 11 2012, 09:30 PM

lysie

Dec 11 2012, 09:10 PM

(seriously what has happened to Freddie Smith?)

The question's a bit vague, so I'm not sure if this is what you're asking about, but...Freddie Smith sent out a tweet around the time that Will and Sonny first made love on-screen that revealed that he had been suffering from Bell's Palsy at the time of those scenes. In addition to not having full use of his facial muscles due to that fact, I have also seen speculation elsewhere that he's taking medications that are causing water retention, which would explain the weight gain that some viewers believe that they have seen recently.

The only thing that isn't clear is how long that condition remained an issue for Freddie. It might have cleared up quickly, in which case this would no longer be relevant.

I more meant his acting. He's just become so bland.

Will&Sonny

Dec 11 2012, 09:38 PM

Honeybees

Dec 11 2012, 06:18 PM

Honestly, it was a true sabotage of Gabi's character to have her not report Melanie's kidnapping. She's the sister of a cop, and she should have known that she wouldn't really be liable for Andrew's actions (and if by some quirk of the law it was, her reporting the whole thing would go a long way to getting her off the hook). And she wasn't portrayed as being afraid that Andrew would hurt her or kill Melanie, two things that would have made her actions make some kind of sense. Instead, she was just being stupid and cowardly.

Gabi's first instinct was the go to the cops, but Andrew convinced her that they would both go to prison if she did. She also really wanted Chad, so she agreed to let Andrew keep Melanie locked up for a while longer. She later had a change of heart, but Andrew revealed that he had recorded one of their conversations that made her look guilty. He used that recording to blackmail her into keeping her mouth shut.

Honeybees

Dec 11 2012, 06:18 PM

nolagirl

Dec 11 2012, 06:06 PM

Honeybees

Dec 11 2012, 06:00 PM

Gabi could have avoided all criminal liability if she had simply reported Andrew's kidnapping of Melanie immediately. Hiring someone to pretend to stalk you is not illegal, as long as she wasn't doing it to try and con money out of Chad. She made a big deal about refusing to report the stalking to the cops. So, there was no real crime or conspiracy until Andrew kidnapped Melanie, but the moment Gabi chose not to reveal Melanie's captivity or try and aid her - Gabi became part of the conspiracy and is liable. The fact that Andrew kidnapped Gabi before the explosion might make Gabi legally exempt from the consequences of the explosion, it doesn't make her morally exempt. She knew Andrew was crazy and committing a crime by holding Melanie, and she did nothing and he remained free to commit more crimes.

Good valid point about the stalking, if the cops had been involved THEN she would have been in trouble for that because of cops pay and lying to the police, but since that wasn't the case technically she gets a pass on criminal part there.

Honestly, it was a true sabotage of Gabi's character to have her not report Melanie's kidnapping. She's the sister of a cop, and she should have known that she wouldn't really be liable for Andrew's actions (and if by some quirk of the law it was, her reporting the whole thing would go a long way to getting her off the hook). And she wasn't portrayed as being afraid that Andrew would hurt her or kill Melanie, two things that would have made her actions make some kind of sense. Instead, she was just being stupid and cowardly.

six

Dec 11 2012, 11:21 PM

Honeybees

Dec 11 2012, 06:18 PM

nolagirl

Dec 11 2012, 06:06 PM

Honeybees

Dec 11 2012, 06:00 PM

Gabi could have avoided all criminal liability if she had simply reported Andrew's kidnapping of Melanie immediately. Hiring someone to pretend to stalk you is not illegal, as long as she wasn't doing it to try and con money out of Chad. She made a big deal about refusing to report the stalking to the cops. So, there was no real crime or conspiracy until Andrew kidnapped Melanie, but the moment Gabi chose not to reveal Melanie's captivity or try and aid her - Gabi became part of the conspiracy and is liable. The fact that Andrew kidnapped Gabi before the explosion might make Gabi legally exempt from the consequences of the explosion, it doesn't make her morally exempt. She knew Andrew was crazy and committing a crime by holding Melanie, and she did nothing and he remained free to commit more crimes.

Good valid point about the stalking, if the cops had been involved THEN she would have been in trouble for that because of cops pay and lying to the police, but since that wasn't the case technically she gets a pass on criminal part there.

Honestly, it was a true sabotage of Gabi's character to have her not report Melanie's kidnapping. She's the sister of a cop, and she should have known that she wouldn't really be liable for Andrew's actions (and if by some quirk of the law it was, her reporting the whole thing would go a long way to getting her off the hook). And she wasn't portrayed as being afraid that Andrew would hurt her or kill Melanie, two things that would have made her actions make some kind of sense. Instead, she was just being stupid and cowardly.

Andrew had her convinced that Chad wouldn't believe her even if the cops did. Not that this is a good reason to become an accomplice in a kidnapping.

Ireland98

Dec 11 2012, 11:30 PM

We all know Gabi isn't going anywhere and that she'll probably have Will and Sami defending her when the truth comes out.

Hopeless_Dreamer

Dec 11 2012, 11:44 PM

I am just not liking Nicole working in a church, I want her spunk and personality back and while its awesome she's out of Dannifer's orbit finally, trying to redeem her and make her good is just going to drain the life out of her even more. Sighs :(

Will&Sonny

Dec 11 2012, 11:41 PM

Ireland98

Dec 11 2012, 11:30 PM

We all know Gabi isn't going anywhere and that she'll probably have Will and Sami defending her when the truth comes out.

I can only speak for myself, but I'm not the least bit convinced that this will happen. I think that Gabi's going to die or get sent to prison, but it's all just speculation at this point. Even if neither of those things happen, I still expect Will to be angry enough to fight for full custody of the child, but again...speculation, nothing more.

Ireland98

Dec 11 2012, 11:56 PM

Will&Sonny

Dec 11 2012, 11:41 PM

Ireland98

Dec 11 2012, 11:30 PM

We all know Gabi isn't going anywhere and that she'll probably have Will and Sami defending her when the truth comes out.

I can only speak for myself, but I'm not the least bit convinced that this will happen. I think that Gabi's going to die or get sent to prison, but it's all just speculation at this point. Even if neither of those things happen, I still expect Will to be angry enough to fight for full custody of the child, but again...speculation, nothing more.

I disagree. Not a snowballs chance in Hell will Gary Tomlin let either Rafe or Gabi suffer. If anything, I think it's rather transparent he's trying to make Gabi look like a victim, Rafe look like the rootable hero, and the DiMera's looking like the bad guys. :eyeroll:
Gary was desperate to get Gabi/Rafe more connected to the core families and he found a disgusting way to do it. :puke:

lysie

Dec 11 2012, 11:59 PM

Ireland98

Dec 11 2012, 11:56 PM

Will&Sonny

Dec 11 2012, 11:41 PM

Ireland98

Dec 11 2012, 11:30 PM

We all know Gabi isn't going anywhere and that she'll probably have Will and Sami defending her when the truth comes out.

I can only speak for myself, but I'm not the least bit convinced that this will happen. I think that Gabi's going to die or get sent to prison, but it's all just speculation at this point. Even if neither of those things happen, I still expect Will to be angry enough to fight for full custody of the child, but again...speculation, nothing more.

I disagree. Not a snowballs chance in Hell will Gary Tomlin let either Rafe or Gabi suffer. If anything, I think it's rather transparent he's trying to make Gabi look like a victim, Rafe look like the rootable hero, and the DiMera's looking like the bad guys. :eyeroll:
Gary was desperate to get Gabi/Rafe more connected to the core families and he found a disgusting way to do it. :puke:

He didn't have a problem killing of Arianna.

Ireland98

Dec 12 2012, 12:10 AM

lysie

Dec 11 2012, 11:59 PM

He didn't have a problem killing of Arianna.

True! But, given the writing for Gabi and Rafe, I just don't see either of them coming across as 'bad characters'. I see Tomlin writing Gabi as the victim and Rafe as the 'hero'.

Will&Sonny

Dec 12 2012, 01:06 AM

Ireland98

Dec 12 2012, 12:10 AM

lysie

Dec 11 2012, 11:59 PM

He didn't have a problem killing of Arianna.

True! But, given the writing for Gabi and Rafe, I just don't see either of them coming across as 'bad characters'. I see Tomlin writing Gabi as the victim and Rafe as the 'hero'.

What lysie said. I've mentioned that in at least one other thread before, too. But I'm not necessarily on the "Hernandez Hate" bandwagon, so there's that.

If Tomlin is writing Gabi as the victim, why is he allowing Chad to tell people about her crimes? I just don't see it.

But, like I said before, it's all just speculation at this point. We'll find out soon enough.

lysie

Dec 11 2012, 09:25 PM

esp13

Dec 11 2012, 09:24 PM

lysie

Dec 11 2012, 09:10 PM

I'm so torn. I like that Rafe and Sami (and EJ) are all in supporting roles. However, this is by far my least favorite version of Sami. I about can't take it. Some of it's the writing, and some of it's the acting. This isn't Sami, and she's so damn saccharine I just want to brush my teeth.

I feel like the concept of the story is good, though. It's just not reaching it's potential. It's a shame these are the only younger actors and characters they have to choose from. IMO, the only scenes in this story that are good are the ones with just Will and Gabi. Nick, Chad, Sonny (seriously what has happened to Freddie Smith?), Rafe, Sami, and Caroline are all responsible for stinking this story up. I was one of the people the most irritated that Gabi got to just walk away from the explosions like nothing happened. I still feel that way. But more than that, I'm annoyed with Chad's reaction and now Sonny's. I think it's the actors.

I could go the rest of my life without ever seeing Daniel stare at his hands again. I really liked Kayla's response to the whole thing, and I liked the Jennifer/Abby scene. Maggie touching Daniel's hands was just BAD.

I need Nicole to get drunk STAT. I remember three years ago thinking that AZ was such a good crier. IDK if I've just gotten over it or if she's doing it differently now, but it's not good anymore.

Caroline and Rafe's reunion hug was AWKWARD.

So yeah. I didn't care for today. Oh, and did we miss Abby and Maggie finding out about what happened to Jennifer or was that while I was looking a list of top sports memes for the year?

I'm very much afraid to say this because I am likely to receive a cyber-punch. But I liked Sami in the pub scenes. I understand why it doesn't make sense, but I still liked it. And I also liked the little moment when she told Rafe "unfortunately, not when it matters most" when Rafe said he trusted her. I thought that moment was well played.

I think my issue with Sami is that I missed out on her so-called glory days. So, I don't have a real issue with her being written as a better person than she used to be. My biggest problem with the character for so long is that everything revolved around her and the stories sucked. But as a supporting character, she's suprisingly tolerable.

My issue is less that it doesn't make sense and more that it's not her and AS is AWFUL at it. I think Sami is being completely genuine (which I don't like) but it comes across fake.

MissLola

Dec 11 2012, 11:48 PM

Hopeless_Dreamer

Dec 11 2012, 11:44 PM

I am just not liking Nicole working in a church, I want her spunk and personality back and while its awesome she's out of Dannifer's orbit finally, trying to redeem her and make her good is just going to drain the life out of her even more. Sighs :(

I would like to see her working for Kate just to stick it to Sami and Ej. Highly unlikely due to her and Kate's animosity towards each other. But it could be fun.