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Sonny Learns the Truth about Gabi!; Airs the week of December 17th
Topic Started: Dec 13 2012, 03:31 PM (6,313 Views)
Honeybees
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This and Brady/Kristen are keeping me tuned in these days. Although, even after reading everyone's posts - I'm confused about the "truth" Sonny learns. The baby? Or Andrew? I thought he knew about Andrew already.

But the story is in a holding pattern until the big wedding blow up and inevitable Wilson break up.
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I think the story is solid, it's the characters I have trouble caring about. Still, I'm curious to see how this gay slur gets worked in and whether it gets all teach-y.

And I'm still hoping they don't link Nick's anti-gay feelings to prison rape. We'll see how it goes, though.
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Honeybees
Dec 13 2012, 04:31 PM
This and Brady/Kristen are keeping me tuned in these days. Although, even after reading everyone's posts - I'm confused about the "truth" Sonny learns. The baby? Or Andrew? I thought he knew about Andrew already.

But the story is in a holding pattern until the big wedding blow up and inevitable Wilson break up.
The truth, in this case, is that the money that Will borrowed was going to be used to pay for Gabi's abortion. (On a related note, that makes me wonder if Will returned the money to Sonny and Lucas....)
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Yeah, I care about this story. Only because it's about Will/Sonny and they are the only reasons I'm watching this show these days. I don't care much about any of the other stories. I would have preferred they went a different way with them, but I'm still interested and invested in them as a couple. I used to love Nick. Not so much anymore and I think that is sad. I'm hoping they can turn his character around somehow, but I'm not holding my breath. I can't wait for this wedding and how everything will (hopefully) come out in the open. I still have hope that Will and Sonny will get through this and be stronger for it.
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Will should really try to have a conversation with Lucas about how it felt when he found out that Will was his son and how it changed his life and why he fought so hard to want him in his life. That seems to be the only thing truly missing now from this story.....I'm sure it'll come sooner or later....because it's already spoiled about Will probably having a dream about how his child would be corrupted by being raised by Nick. I can see the plot point now that had Lucas being written a bit homophobic a few weeks ago....it sort of set the barrier up for Will to talk to his dad about what he's feeling. It would have been great if Lucas hadn't been flipped so quickly because then Will could have confided in his dad that Gabi's baby is his and not Nick's....could you imagine if Will then told Lucas not to tell his mom? OMG
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Dec 13 2012, 04:37 PM
Honeybees
Dec 13 2012, 04:31 PM
This and Brady/Kristen are keeping me tuned in these days. Although, even after reading everyone's posts - I'm confused about the "truth" Sonny learns. The baby? Or Andrew? I thought he knew about Andrew already.

But the story is in a holding pattern until the big wedding blow up and inevitable Wilson break up.
The truth, in this case, is that the money that Will borrowed was going to be used to pay for Gabi's abortion. (On a related note, that makes me wonder if Will returned the money to Sonny and Lucas....)
Gotcha. I thought the money was going to lead to the reveal. I didn't realize it was the reveal. :drunk:

This story is getting a bit confusing as far as who knows what and who suspects what.
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John and Marlena are two of the last people who need to be doling out marriage advice. Unless they're going to be held up as an example of what not to do. I don't like Nick's homophobia either, not just because of Nick's background, but because of who Nick is.
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Honeybees
Dec 13 2012, 04:31 PM
This and Brady/Kristen are keeping me tuned in these days. Although, even after reading everyone's posts - I'm confused about the "truth" Sonny learns. The baby? Or Andrew? I thought he knew about Andrew already.

But the story is in a holding pattern until the big wedding blow up and inevitable Wilson break up.
I am kind of interested in the Brady/Kristen thing...I kind of missed some of it early on, and I'm not interested enough to actually go back and watch how it all started. I do like Kristen though. She has injected some much needed personality into this show. But honestly, if Will and/or Sonny are not on I don't actually watch. Maybe I'm in the wrong for not paying attention to the whole show, but I can only tolerate so much Dannifer or Sami/man of the week, so I don't unless I have to. And to the inevitable Wilson break up...I'm hoping that happens before the wedding, and we get some good stuff once the truth comes out.
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Dec 13 2012, 04:47 PM
John and Marlena are two of the last people who need to be doling out marriage advice. Unless they're going to be held up as an example of what not to do. I don't like Nick's homophobia either, not just because of Nick's background, but because of who Nick is.
I guess I'm not sure what you mean by "who Nick is." I can't think of anything from his pre-Melanie obsession in his early days that would have revealed his feelings about homosexuality either way. He was a nice guy, but that doesn't mean he can't be homophobic.
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Dec 13 2012, 04:54 PM
six
Dec 13 2012, 04:47 PM
John and Marlena are two of the last people who need to be doling out marriage advice. Unless they're going to be held up as an example of what not to do. I don't like Nick's homophobia either, not just because of Nick's background, but because of who Nick is.
I guess I'm not sure what you mean by "who Nick is." I can't think of anything from his pre-Melanie obsession in his early days that would have revealed his feelings about homosexuality either way. He was a nice guy, but that doesn't mean he can't be homophobic.
Nick was a thoughtful person who tried to see the best in everyone. He might struggle with homophobia, but I certainly don't think he'd revel in it like this Nick does.
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Dec 13 2012, 04:47 PM
John and Marlena are two of the last people who need to be doling out marriage advice. Unless they're going to be held up as an example of what not to do. I don't like Nick's homophobia either, not just because of Nick's background, but because of who Nick is.
John and Marlena are the only supercouple left. Its entirely appropriate.
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six
Dec 13 2012, 05:00 PM
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Dec 13 2012, 04:54 PM
six
Dec 13 2012, 04:47 PM
John and Marlena are two of the last people who need to be doling out marriage advice. Unless they're going to be held up as an example of what not to do. I don't like Nick's homophobia either, not just because of Nick's background, but because of who Nick is.
I guess I'm not sure what you mean by "who Nick is." I can't think of anything from his pre-Melanie obsession in his early days that would have revealed his feelings about homosexuality either way. He was a nice guy, but that doesn't mean he can't be homophobic.
Nick was a thoughtful person who tried to see the best in everyone. He might struggle with homophobia, but I certainly don't think he'd revel in it like this Nick does.
Fair enough. I don't think he's reveled in it though. Up until now, I think it's been played fairly subtlely - to the point that Will and Sonny don't seem to have really picked up on it. I guess I'll need to see how this whole thing comes out and reevaluate at that point.
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esp13
Dec 13 2012, 04:54 PM
six
Dec 13 2012, 04:47 PM
John and Marlena are two of the last people who need to be doling out marriage advice. Unless they're going to be held up as an example of what not to do. I don't like Nick's homophobia either, not just because of Nick's background, but because of who Nick is.
I guess I'm not sure what you mean by "who Nick is." I can't think of anything from his pre-Melanie obsession in his early days that would have revealed his feelings about homosexuality either way. He was a nice guy, but that doesn't mean he can't be homophobic.
For me, the old, pre-pscyho/prison version of Nick was a man of science -- he wouldn't have believed in or cared about God, nor would he have believed that homosexuality was a choice, since it occurs in nature. However, I will concede that none of this was ever explicitly mentioned on-screen at that time.

In any case, all bets are off with this new version of Nick. (And when I say "new", I don't mean to suggest that these changes are confined to his current stay on the show -- I do feel that the "old, sweet" Nick died during his previous stint, and it's appropriate for the writers to stay the course with this obsessive, manipulative asshole version of Nick.)
Edited by Will&Sonny, Dec 13 2012, 05:25 PM.
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Dec 13 2012, 05:07 PM
six
Dec 13 2012, 05:00 PM
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Dec 13 2012, 04:54 PM
six
Dec 13 2012, 04:47 PM
John and Marlena are two of the last people who need to be doling out marriage advice. Unless they're going to be held up as an example of what not to do. I don't like Nick's homophobia either, not just because of Nick's background, but because of who Nick is.
I guess I'm not sure what you mean by "who Nick is." I can't think of anything from his pre-Melanie obsession in his early days that would have revealed his feelings about homosexuality either way. He was a nice guy, but that doesn't mean he can't be homophobic.
Nick was a thoughtful person who tried to see the best in everyone. He might struggle with homophobia, but I certainly don't think he'd revel in it like this Nick does.
Fair enough. I don't think he's reveled in it though. Up until now, I think it's been played fairly subtlely - to the point that Will and Sonny don't seem to have really picked up on it. I guess I'll need to see how this whole thing comes out and reevaluate at that point.
By reveling in it, I meant being secure enough in the belief that it's a choice and a wrong choice that he's willing to use slurs.

To AFaithL, Jarlena are the only supercouple left, but they're still not people you should look to for the key to a successful marriage. Actually, considering that supercouples are known for getting married and divorced multiple times, that pretty much disqualifies all of them from leading by example when it comes to creating a successful marriage.
Edited by six, Dec 13 2012, 05:29 PM.
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I will be turned into this baby storyline, when Sonny learns the truth. Now it's boring as hell. Same shit conversations over and over again. Also I can't stand, that word "baby" is mention million times in one episode. Sick of that.
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Dec 13 2012, 05:24 PM
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Dec 13 2012, 04:54 PM
six
Dec 13 2012, 04:47 PM
John and Marlena are two of the last people who need to be doling out marriage advice. Unless they're going to be held up as an example of what not to do. I don't like Nick's homophobia either, not just because of Nick's background, but because of who Nick is.
I guess I'm not sure what you mean by "who Nick is." I can't think of anything from his pre-Melanie obsession in his early days that would have revealed his feelings about homosexuality either way. He was a nice guy, but that doesn't mean he can't be homophobic.
For me, the old, pre-pscyho/prison version of Nick was a man of science -- he wouldn't have believed in or cared about God, nor would he have believed that homosexuality was a choice, since it occurs in nature. However, I will concede that none of this was ever explicitly mentioned on-screen at that time.

In any case, all bets are off with this new version of Nick. (And when I say "new", I don't mean to suggest that these changes are confined to his current stay on the show -- I do feel that the "old, sweet" Nick died during his previous stint, and it's appropriate for the writers to stay the course with this obsessive, manipulative asshole version of Nick.)
See, I fundamentally disagree with the idea that just because Nick was a scientist, he was also automatically an atheist. I don't believe it is impossible to be both a scientist and religious anymore than I believe you must be homophobic if you are religious. There was never anything shown onscreen that ever had Nick addressing his religious beliefs, if he even had any. And, more importantly, he'd hardly be the first guy to "find God" in prison.
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AFaithL
Dec 13 2012, 05:04 PM
six
Dec 13 2012, 04:47 PM
John and Marlena are two of the last people who need to be doling out marriage advice. Unless they're going to be held up as an example of what not to do. I don't like Nick's homophobia either, not just because of Nick's background, but because of who Nick is.
John and Marlena are the only supercouple left. Its entirely appropriate.
Idk that turning to any of the supercouples would really be appropriate. Though as far as marriages in Salem go, pickings are really slim.
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AFaithL
Dec 13 2012, 05:04 PM
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Dec 13 2012, 04:47 PM
John and Marlena are two of the last people who need to be doling out marriage advice. Unless they're going to be held up as an example of what not to do. I don't like Nick's homophobia either, not just because of Nick's background, but because of who Nick is.
John and Marlena are the only supercouple left. Its entirely appropriate.
I agree, they've survived everything imaginable that has been thrown their way and they're still together... how is it not appropriate?? :shrug:
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Dec 13 2012, 05:50 PM
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Dec 13 2012, 05:24 PM
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Dec 13 2012, 04:54 PM
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Dec 13 2012, 04:47 PM
John and Marlena are two of the last people who need to be doling out marriage advice. Unless they're going to be held up as an example of what not to do. I don't like Nick's homophobia either, not just because of Nick's background, but because of who Nick is.
I guess I'm not sure what you mean by "who Nick is." I can't think of anything from his pre-Melanie obsession in his early days that would have revealed his feelings about homosexuality either way. He was a nice guy, but that doesn't mean he can't be homophobic.
For me, the old, pre-pscyho/prison version of Nick was a man of science -- he wouldn't have believed in or cared about God, nor would he have believed that homosexuality was a choice, since it occurs in nature. However, I will concede that none of this was ever explicitly mentioned on-screen at that time.

In any case, all bets are off with this new version of Nick. (And when I say "new", I don't mean to suggest that these changes are confined to his current stay on the show -- I do feel that the "old, sweet" Nick died during his previous stint, and it's appropriate for the writers to stay the course with this obsessive, manipulative asshole version of Nick.)
See, I fundamentally disagree with the idea that just because Nick was a scientist, he was also automatically an atheist. I don't believe it is impossible to be both a scientist and religious anymore than I believe you must be homophobic if you are religious. There was never anything shown onscreen that ever had Nick addressing his religious beliefs, if he even had any. And, more importantly, he'd hardly be the first guy to "find God" in prison.
And if we surmise that Marie helped raise him, a strong belief in God would be even more in character.
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I am waiting to see how Sonny reacts when he finds out that Will is the father of Gabi's baby. I think that reveal will blow his mind totally and completely. We will see the Kiriakas in him come out in full power.
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