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Thursday, January 10th Daily Discussion
Topic Started: Jan 10 2013, 10:21 AM (9,016 Views)
appleblossom


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Jan 11 2013, 09:13 AM
Wow...can't say "C-U next Tuesday" anymore? lol

Also...EJ has been completely and utterly pussified. Wow. He was horrible today.

Why is Johnny the only kid going to school?

Chad still sucks.

I agree, what the hell does Syd and Allie do all day? Allie can only have so many play dates. Lucas and Sami could get in trouble with the school board. Allie has to be at least 6. Does Syd hang around at the pub with Caroline all day?
Edited by appleblossom, Jan 11 2013, 09:27 AM.
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Well, I mean...Allie is the same age as Johnny. they are twins. Why the fuck isn't she in school? lol
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Allie and Sydney aren't around for this episode, because the writers could kill 2 or 3 birds with one Johnny - he could interrupt at the appropriate time, he and EJ could give us a couple of completely adorable EJohnny scenes, and EJ could look like the best dad on earth one more time. The last week has been one plot point after another to get us to the wedding, so that Sami can find out about the baby's paternity and have a big blowout with Rafe.
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Allie isn't at school because she's a flowergirl in the weekday wedding. But she should still be somewhere.
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Jan 11 2013, 09:17 AM
I agree with those that said that Ej was written way too over the top sappy yesterday and with a hint of desperation in expressing his love for Sami. Sami on the other hand sort of looked like she was taken back by his declaration, why is that? This isn't the first time since they have gotten closer than he's told her flat out that he loves her, while she just continues to smile and not say shit back. So why is she taken back by his latest statement? Then she seemed to really want to tell him about her reunification with Rafe, but was interrupted twice by Johnny. I got the feeling that she was about to break out the 'we are better off as friends' statement and let him down easily. I also feel that they are doing some pretty heavy handed Rafe 'moves in quick' writing here. I've never seen Rafe be so strong coming onto Sami. It's like he's treating her as this 'prize' to take from Ej and it just feels like there is an emphasis in him wanting her to 'tell Ej' over just being together and living happily. I am not sure what we are suppose to take from that but since I have no horse in this race, I see Rafe pressuring her to tell Ej so they can be together while Ej is written desperately wanting to conquer her before Rafe makes his move. I'm not sure if TomSell realize that they are really writing Lucas as the best option at this point......only guy that isn't in this 'fight' but the only one that actually looks really good now.

I don't know I just get the feeling that Days is spinning it's wheels with this story. They don't know what they want to do, but from the writing of late, I do get the feeling that they are making an effort to show that if it wasn't for what will happen come next week at the wedding that Sami would be with Rafe and let Ej go. Now obviously that apparently hits a snag and she has a fight with Rafe. The problem is that fight isn't about Safe, or their trust issues, unless Rafe believes that Sami knew about Will keeping the secret and didn't say anything, but that doesn't appear to be the case. The issue is how Sami behaved toward Gabi, which Rafe takes offense to. He's the one that somehow speaks to Eric and states that apparently him and Sami can't be together.....nothing is stating that Sami feels that way too now.
I was trying to figure out where they are going with this as well, as writing tropes always intrigue me. Obviously they want to show both men as really wanting Sami and Sami as somewhat torn, but it's kind of counter-intuitive in how they are doing it. Everett is the one with the more romantic gestures - the NYE dinner, the declarations of love, and the "if it's important to her, it's important to me" statements. On the other hand, Rafe is more physically aggressive with the take-her-by-suprise kisses, and just more aggressive in general with his statements that he knows she feels it too so when is she going to tell Everett. Sami is all breathless over Rafe and all weepy and emotional over Everett. It's weird and opposite of how they usually write her dynamic with both men. Who knows if that means anything, I am just finding it to be an odd choice.

Anyway, what I'm getting is that Sami has genuine feelings for both men, but that Rafe has about a 60 to 40 advantage. And that advantage is what's moving Sami to pick him just in time for the wedding reveal. What I'm not sure of is what the current triangle dynamics are going to mean for what happens after the reveal. That is, does Sami run to Everett because she has real feelings for him and, over time, his 40 percent odds genuinely improve so that we see he's become the man she wants? Or does Sami end up just hooking up with Everett because she likes him enough and she's mad at Rafe, but we still see that her heart is really with Rafe? My usual GT-loves-Rafe assumption would be that they are going with the latter. But the way they are writing Everett right now makes me wonder if we are actually going to get the former. I guess on the positive side, they are writing the triangle with enough ambiguity that the answer isn't obvious what will happen post-reveal, which I assume is what they wanted to accomplish.
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Jan 11 2013, 11:00 AM
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Jan 11 2013, 09:17 AM
I agree with those that said that Ej was written way too over the top sappy yesterday and with a hint of desperation in expressing his love for Sami. Sami on the other hand sort of looked like she was taken back by his declaration, why is that? This isn't the first time since they have gotten closer than he's told her flat out that he loves her, while she just continues to smile and not say shit back. So why is she taken back by his latest statement? Then she seemed to really want to tell him about her reunification with Rafe, but was interrupted twice by Johnny. I got the feeling that she was about to break out the 'we are better off as friends' statement and let him down easily. I also feel that they are doing some pretty heavy handed Rafe 'moves in quick' writing here. I've never seen Rafe be so strong coming onto Sami. It's like he's treating her as this 'prize' to take from Ej and it just feels like there is an emphasis in him wanting her to 'tell Ej' over just being together and living happily. I am not sure what we are suppose to take from that but since I have no horse in this race, I see Rafe pressuring her to tell Ej so they can be together while Ej is written desperately wanting to conquer her before Rafe makes his move. I'm not sure if TomSell realize that they are really writing Lucas as the best option at this point......only guy that isn't in this 'fight' but the only one that actually looks really good now.

I don't know I just get the feeling that Days is spinning it's wheels with this story. They don't know what they want to do, but from the writing of late, I do get the feeling that they are making an effort to show that if it wasn't for what will happen come next week at the wedding that Sami would be with Rafe and let Ej go. Now obviously that apparently hits a snag and she has a fight with Rafe. The problem is that fight isn't about Safe, or their trust issues, unless Rafe believes that Sami knew about Will keeping the secret and didn't say anything, but that doesn't appear to be the case. The issue is how Sami behaved toward Gabi, which Rafe takes offense to. He's the one that somehow speaks to Eric and states that apparently him and Sami can't be together.....nothing is stating that Sami feels that way too now.
I was trying to figure out where they are going with this as well, as writing tropes always intrigue me. Obviously they want to show both men as really wanting Sami and Sami as somewhat torn, but it's kind of counter-intuitive in how they are doing it. Everett is the one with the more romantic gestures - the NYE dinner, the declarations of love, and the "if it's important to her, it's important to me" statements. On the other hand, Rafe is more physically aggressive with the take-her-by-suprise kisses, and just more aggressive in general with his statements that he knows she feels it too so when is she going to tell Everett. Sami is all breathless over Rafe and all weepy and emotional over Everett. It's weird and opposite of how they usually write her dynamic with both men. Who knows if that means anything, I am just finding it to be an odd choice.

Anyway, what I'm getting is that Sami has genuine feelings for both men, but that Rafe has about a 60 to 40 advantage. And that advantage is what's moving Sami to pick him just in time for the wedding reveal. What I'm not sure of is what the current triangle dynamics are going to mean for what happens after the reveal. That is, does Sami run to Everett because she has real feelings for him and, over time, his 40 percent odds genuinely improve so that we see he's become the man she wants? Or does Sami end up just hooking up with Everett because she likes him enough and she's mad at Rafe, but we still see that her heart is really with Rafe? My usual GT-loves-Rafe assumption would be that they are going with the latter. But the way they are writing Everett right now makes me wonder if we are actually going to get the former. I guess on the positive side, they are writing the triangle with enough ambiguity that the answer isn't obvious what will happen post-reveal, which I assume is what they wanted to accomplish.
This is pretty much the way I see it, as well. I would also add that I suspect the big Safe fight actually will touch on some of their issues they seem to be trying to brush past on the way to their reconciliation. They really haven't made any effort to discuss the things that have been keeping them apart - such as Sami working directly with EJ at Countess W, or their trust issues regarding the grief sex, Carrie and Rafe's baby lie. If those things surface during the Safe fight I'd say it's a good chance the fight then does become much more about their personal issues and less about Sami's treatment of Gabi or Rafe's of Will. In the meantime, I do find it curious that they've had Everett lay all of his cards on the table so openly - including admitting that he only took the job at Countess W in order to spend more time with Sami.

What I'm curious to see (and if I'm being honest - hoping for) is that Everett will find out after EVami have committed to one another just how close Sami was to reuniting with Rafe and giving him the heave ho. I'd actually like to see Everett digest that bit of information and decide to walk away for while - and then see Sami have to decide if she's going to fight to get him back, or just be alone. Will that happen? Probably not. But it would go a long way toward balancing out the wobbly triangle and establishing that Sami has had to do a bit of work on her own.
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If they are truly going to go with Sami turning to Everett and his 40% moving to 50%+1, then I hope the big fight at the wedding reveal is about more than just Will vs. Gabi. Because if it's just about Sami supporting Will (and being mad at Gabi) and Rafe supporting Gabi over Sami (and Will), then it's no different than when Sami and Everett got together last time with the fishing hat and whatnot. It was pretty clear then that while she had some "feelings" for Everett, she really wanted to be with Rafe, but thought they were over because of whatever contrived reason was going on then.

So, to make this stick in any meaningful way, this fight needs to be deeper and needs to be about Sami and Rafe and what they can't get past. Whether it's his inability to truly forgive, forget, or trust or her realizing that she doesn't want to be the person she has to be with him, or whatever, it's needs to be about them. If that's the case, then I might buy that they are truly over (at least for the time being) and I might buy her actually wanting to be with Everett, not just seeing him as the convenient choice.

Not that I really care one way or another anymore, but it's there one chance to prove that this is actually something different.
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Jan 11 2013, 11:30 AM
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Jan 11 2013, 11:00 AM
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Jan 11 2013, 09:17 AM
I agree with those that said that Ej was written way too over the top sappy yesterday and with a hint of desperation in expressing his love for Sami. Sami on the other hand sort of looked like she was taken back by his declaration, why is that? This isn't the first time since they have gotten closer than he's told her flat out that he loves her, while she just continues to smile and not say shit back. So why is she taken back by his latest statement? Then she seemed to really want to tell him about her reunification with Rafe, but was interrupted twice by Johnny. I got the feeling that she was about to break out the 'we are better off as friends' statement and let him down easily. I also feel that they are doing some pretty heavy handed Rafe 'moves in quick' writing here. I've never seen Rafe be so strong coming onto Sami. It's like he's treating her as this 'prize' to take from Ej and it just feels like there is an emphasis in him wanting her to 'tell Ej' over just being together and living happily. I am not sure what we are suppose to take from that but since I have no horse in this race, I see Rafe pressuring her to tell Ej so they can be together while Ej is written desperately wanting to conquer her before Rafe makes his move. I'm not sure if TomSell realize that they are really writing Lucas as the best option at this point......only guy that isn't in this 'fight' but the only one that actually looks really good now.

I don't know I just get the feeling that Days is spinning it's wheels with this story. They don't know what they want to do, but from the writing of late, I do get the feeling that they are making an effort to show that if it wasn't for what will happen come next week at the wedding that Sami would be with Rafe and let Ej go. Now obviously that apparently hits a snag and she has a fight with Rafe. The problem is that fight isn't about Safe, or their trust issues, unless Rafe believes that Sami knew about Will keeping the secret and didn't say anything, but that doesn't appear to be the case. The issue is how Sami behaved toward Gabi, which Rafe takes offense to. He's the one that somehow speaks to Eric and states that apparently him and Sami can't be together.....nothing is stating that Sami feels that way too now.
I was trying to figure out where they are going with this as well, as writing tropes always intrigue me. Obviously they want to show both men as really wanting Sami and Sami as somewhat torn, but it's kind of counter-intuitive in how they are doing it. Everett is the one with the more romantic gestures - the NYE dinner, the declarations of love, and the "if it's important to her, it's important to me" statements. On the other hand, Rafe is more physically aggressive with the take-her-by-suprise kisses, and just more aggressive in general with his statements that he knows she feels it too so when is she going to tell Everett. Sami is all breathless over Rafe and all weepy and emotional over Everett. It's weird and opposite of how they usually write her dynamic with both men. Who knows if that means anything, I am just finding it to be an odd choice.

Anyway, what I'm getting is that Sami has genuine feelings for both men, but that Rafe has about a 60 to 40 advantage. And that advantage is what's moving Sami to pick him just in time for the wedding reveal. What I'm not sure of is what the current triangle dynamics are going to mean for what happens after the reveal. That is, does Sami run to Everett because she has real feelings for him and, over time, his 40 percent odds genuinely improve so that we see he's become the man she wants? Or does Sami end up just hooking up with Everett because she likes him enough and she's mad at Rafe, but we still see that her heart is really with Rafe? My usual GT-loves-Rafe assumption would be that they are going with the latter. But the way they are writing Everett right now makes me wonder if we are actually going to get the former. I guess on the positive side, they are writing the triangle with enough ambiguity that the answer isn't obvious what will happen post-reveal, which I assume is what they wanted to accomplish.
This is pretty much the way I see it, as well. I would also add that I suspect the big Safe fight actually will touch on some of their issues they seem to be trying to brush past on the way to their reconciliation. They really haven't made any effort to discuss the things that have been keeping them apart - such as Sami working directly with EJ at Countess W, or their trust issues regarding the grief sex, Carrie and Rafe's baby lie. If those things surface during the Safe fight I'd say it's a good chance the fight then does become much more about their personal issues and less about Sami's treatment of Gabi or Rafe's of Will. In the meantime, I do find it curious that they've had Everett lay all of his cards on the table so openly - including admitting that he only took the job at Countess W in order to spend more time with Sami.

What I'm curious to see (and if I'm being honest - hoping for) is that Everett will find out after EVami have committed to one another just how close Sami was to reuniting with Rafe and giving him the heave ho. I'd actually like to see Everett digest that bit of information and decide to walk away for while - and then see Sami have to decide if she's going to fight to get him back, or just be alone. Will that happen? Probably not. But it would go a long way toward balancing out the wobbly triangle and establishing that Sami has had to do a bit of work on her own.
I hope that if/when Everett learns of Safe's almost shagunion, he lets EJ handle things.
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Jan 11 2013, 11:31 AM
If they are truly going to go with Sami turning to Everett and his 40% moving to 50%+1, then I hope the big fight at the wedding reveal is about more than just Will vs. Gabi. Because if it's just about Sami supporting Will (and being mad at Gabi) and Rafe supporting Gabi over Sami (and Will), then it's no different than when Sami and Everett got together last time with the fishing hat and whatnot. It was pretty clear then that while she had some "feelings" for Everett, she really wanted to be with Rafe, but thought they were over because of whatever contrived reason was going on then.

So, to make this stick in any meaningful way, this fight needs to be deeper and needs to be about Sami and Rafe and what they can't get past. Whether it's his inability to truly forgive, forget, or trust or her realizing that she doesn't want to be the person she has to be with him, or whatever, it's needs to be about them. If that's the case, then I might buy that they are truly over (at least for the time being) and I might buy her actually wanting to be with Everett, not just seeing him as the convenient choice.

Not that I really care one way or another anymore, but it's there one chance to prove that this is actually something different.
Yep, exactly what needs to happen in my book. Like Socr said, they have laid some groundwork for this fight to be about real issues between Safe (lack of trust because of grief sex and Cafe relationship, Rafe's frustration with who Sami is, Sami's frustration with Rafe's judgment, etc.). If the fight brings these issues up, then I think we may be getting a real story out of this for Evami. But if it's just Safe shouting at each other about Wabi, then I think we are probably going to get the same exact triangle story that we've seen play out for nearly 4 years - i.e. Sami really wants Rafe but settles for Everett in the meantime.

@Socr - I'm also hoping the reason Sami didn't dump Everett yesterday was so he can find out later and show some backbone by walking away. I agree that if they are really going with Evami, they need to balance their dynamic some and actually have her fight to be with him for once.
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Jan 11 2013, 11:30 AM
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Jan 11 2013, 11:00 AM
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Jan 11 2013, 09:17 AM
I agree with those that said that Ej was written way too over the top sappy yesterday and with a hint of desperation in expressing his love for Sami. Sami on the other hand sort of looked like she was taken back by his declaration, why is that? This isn't the first time since they have gotten closer than he's told her flat out that he loves her, while she just continues to smile and not say shit back. So why is she taken back by his latest statement? Then she seemed to really want to tell him about her reunification with Rafe, but was interrupted twice by Johnny. I got the feeling that she was about to break out the 'we are better off as friends' statement and let him down easily. I also feel that they are doing some pretty heavy handed Rafe 'moves in quick' writing here. I've never seen Rafe be so strong coming onto Sami. It's like he's treating her as this 'prize' to take from Ej and it just feels like there is an emphasis in him wanting her to 'tell Ej' over just being together and living happily. I am not sure what we are suppose to take from that but since I have no horse in this race, I see Rafe pressuring her to tell Ej so they can be together while Ej is written desperately wanting to conquer her before Rafe makes his move. I'm not sure if TomSell realize that they are really writing Lucas as the best option at this point......only guy that isn't in this 'fight' but the only one that actually looks really good now.

I don't know I just get the feeling that Days is spinning it's wheels with this story. They don't know what they want to do, but from the writing of late, I do get the feeling that they are making an effort to show that if it wasn't for what will happen come next week at the wedding that Sami would be with Rafe and let Ej go. Now obviously that apparently hits a snag and she has a fight with Rafe. The problem is that fight isn't about Safe, or their trust issues, unless Rafe believes that Sami knew about Will keeping the secret and didn't say anything, but that doesn't appear to be the case. The issue is how Sami behaved toward Gabi, which Rafe takes offense to. He's the one that somehow speaks to Eric and states that apparently him and Sami can't be together.....nothing is stating that Sami feels that way too now.
I was trying to figure out where they are going with this as well, as writing tropes always intrigue me. Obviously they want to show both men as really wanting Sami and Sami as somewhat torn, but it's kind of counter-intuitive in how they are doing it. Everett is the one with the more romantic gestures - the NYE dinner, the declarations of love, and the "if it's important to her, it's important to me" statements. On the other hand, Rafe is more physically aggressive with the take-her-by-suprise kisses, and just more aggressive in general with his statements that he knows she feels it too so when is she going to tell Everett. Sami is all breathless over Rafe and all weepy and emotional over Everett. It's weird and opposite of how they usually write her dynamic with both men. Who knows if that means anything, I am just finding it to be an odd choice.

Anyway, what I'm getting is that Sami has genuine feelings for both men, but that Rafe has about a 60 to 40 advantage. And that advantage is what's moving Sami to pick him just in time for the wedding reveal. What I'm not sure of is what the current triangle dynamics are going to mean for what happens after the reveal. That is, does Sami run to Everett because she has real feelings for him and, over time, his 40 percent odds genuinely improve so that we see he's become the man she wants? Or does Sami end up just hooking up with Everett because she likes him enough and she's mad at Rafe, but we still see that her heart is really with Rafe? My usual GT-loves-Rafe assumption would be that they are going with the latter. But the way they are writing Everett right now makes me wonder if we are actually going to get the former. I guess on the positive side, they are writing the triangle with enough ambiguity that the answer isn't obvious what will happen post-reveal, which I assume is what they wanted to accomplish.
This is pretty much the way I see it, as well. I would also add that I suspect the big Safe fight actually will touch on some of their issues they seem to be trying to brush past on the way to their reconciliation. They really haven't made any effort to discuss the things that have been keeping them apart - such as Sami working directly with EJ at Countess W, or their trust issues regarding the grief sex, Carrie and Rafe's baby lie. If those things surface during the Safe fight I'd say it's a good chance the fight then does become much more about their personal issues and less about Sami's treatment of Gabi or Rafe's of Will. In the meantime, I do find it curious that they've had Everett lay all of his cards on the table so openly - including admitting that he only took the job at Countess W in order to spend more time with Sami.

What I'm curious to see (and if I'm being honest - hoping for) is that Everett will find out after EVami have committed to one another just how close Sami was to reuniting with Rafe and giving him the heave ho. I'd actually like to see Everett digest that bit of information and decide to walk away for while - and then see Sami have to decide if she's going to fight to get him back, or just be alone. Will that happen? Probably not. But it would go a long way toward balancing out the wobbly triangle and establishing that Sami has had to do a bit of work on her own.
Yeah..

Who is Everett? Is it a new name for EJ? LOL

... yeah its interesting. I admit my heart did get weak when EJ confessed his lover for her AGAIN. Its just something very "nice" about that. And its nice that EJ is a guy that can be that open with his feelings.
The problem is this whole triangle, .. its draining the characters and its getting boring and predictable.
EJ has lost part of his darker side... (which I hope will resurface) but this love-dovy thing is also part of him (thank good). But you can still be a mean and lean killing machine (aka scheming son of a bitch) and still be able to love and such. Its just that the current EJ have lost his darkness and I think people react to that. This is not a character that is 100% loving or 100% hating.

I want him to find out .. and I want to see his reaction to this. If he brushes this to the side I would be highly disappointed, because

1. I do not want EJAMI to happen this way. Sami must want EJ.. for WHOM he really is and not a child friendly version.
2. I want EJ to try some other romance.. like Abby.. I really think some very interesting stories could be written if they where loves for a while..
3. I just want to end this darn triangle.
Edited by DayDreamer, Jan 11 2013, 05:59 PM.
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Sighs.. EJ and Johnny are so cute. I just want to hug them.
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Rafe and Sami makes me want to puke... seriously! If Sami has feeling for that man,.. I do not want EJ even near her. Sorry, but thats how I feel.
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Oh Everett .... I wish you would go and have a chat to EJ.... its only a matter of time before she screws you over as well.

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EJ: Samatha, About that time you shot me in the head(touch hands), I was feeling like doing the same thing to myself. I didnt have the courage. The courage to never get the chance to have you hold me in your heart again.
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Kristen: Gabi listen to me. You and my brother are perfect...

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EJ: I wanted to destroy the horrible person who did terrible things But I knew it was my doing. It was me. But it was you that made it so I could not end it there.

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Maggie: Do you know how funny I find that Victor.
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EJ: I couldnt end it with never experiencing you holding me with your heart again. You can me it all shine.You can make my world shine. You can make...Say you'll be mine.
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Victor: (throws hand in the air looking grumpy, turns and embraces her, the kisses her)

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EJ: You can make my world shine You can make. Say you love me if its in your heart

Kate: You can"t honestly believe Sami can make your world shine
she can make it into a scene from The Shining...
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.

Damn...I miss him. And even in that scene, with all the hateful stuff they were saying to one another, I LOVE them together. :wub:
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Jan 10 2013, 01:27 PM
Does Allie go to school? Syd? No. Okay. Fine.

Also, who is this Hugh Grant esque figure pretending to be EJ? Is the real EJ in a dungeon somewhere?
Notting Hill EJ, the doppleganger. lol
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I watched Monday through Thursday's episodes and all I kept thinking was if this is how it's going to be in terms of the whole Daniel, Chloe, Jennifer crap, there's no WAY on God's green earth I watching this. I didn't see anything in terms of storyline of any story that I think I have to see this. What a dissapointment. I so want to like the show and watch but even THIS is too much.
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I don't think Ej will care two bits if he finds out Sami was about to dump his ass. As long as Rafe is on the outs and he's getting some action from Sami he's good to go. It's never kept him away from her before when Sami chose Rafe over him so why should it matter this time?

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