tomsawyer

Jan 22 2013, 08:15 PM

lysie

Jan 22 2013, 08:09 PM

tomsawyer

Jan 22 2013, 08:05 PM

six

Jan 22 2013, 07:50 PM

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More importantly, Bo knew and took action to help Sami and Rafe (he was the one who told them to marry so they wouldn't have to testify against each other). That made it pretty clear to me that we were supposed to be rooting Sami on.

Who knows if they will change their characterization of Sami's actions so she's more of an antagonist/villain? Pitting her against SuperRafe is certainly a step in that direction, but they need to do more. And I hope they do. It certainly suits her better.

It would also help if they'd let her portrayer in on it.

LOL. Well, I always think Sami comes across as pretty unsympathetic/not heroic because of how AS plays her, so I'm not sure how much she needs to change her acting. I'd just like to see the writing match her acting.

six

Jan 22 2013, 07:39 PM

esp13

Jan 22 2013, 06:58 PM

six

Jan 22 2013, 06:14 PM

esp13

Jan 22 2013, 05:49 PM

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Bo knows. He encouraged Rafe to have a quickie wedding so Rafe wouldn't have to testify against Sami, so he knows about Rafe's involvement, too. Roman, Caroline and Brady also know about the shooting.

They know that Sami shot EJ? Hmm. I don't remember any of that. Nonetheless, the only person I really need to know is Gabi.

Yes. That's why there was a lot of people who were annoyed that the SPD was covering things up.

esp13

Jan 22 2013, 07:11 PM

michelle

Jan 22 2013, 07:01 PM

lysie

Jan 22 2013, 04:54 PM

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You're right.

I guess I was just trying to disagree with a point neither of you were trying to make, which was even though the show/writers have been writing/promoting her as always right/a heroine/whatever, I have NEVER found her to be and I HATE that they ruin her character by trying to make her this way.

Right. But as lysie has said before, Sami's behavior hasn't changed over the last few years, the way the show treats it has. And that aspect has not changed yet. Which is why it is frustrating to see her get praised to the nines for the same shit she's been doing simply because it's directed at Rafe/Gabi instead of at EJ.

The fact that Rafe isn't backing Sami on this is a big example of Sami's behavior not getting the treatment it used to during the DH years.

six

Jan 22 2013, 08:18 PM

six

Jan 22 2013, 07:39 PM

esp13

Jan 22 2013, 06:58 PM

six

Jan 22 2013, 06:14 PM

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They know that Sami shot EJ? Hmm. I don't remember any of that. Nonetheless, the only person I really need to know is Gabi.

Yes. That's why there was a lot of people who were annoyed that the SPD was covering things up.

esp13

Jan 22 2013, 07:11 PM

michelle

Jan 22 2013, 07:01 PM

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Right. But as lysie has said before, Sami's behavior hasn't changed over the last few years, the way the show treats it has. And that aspect has not changed yet. Which is why it is frustrating to see her get praised to the nines for the same shit she's been doing simply because it's directed at Rafe/Gabi instead of at EJ.

The fact that Rafe isn't backing Sami on this is a big example of Sami's behavior not getting the treatment it used to during the DH years.

And another thing - Marlenaa and Will's disapproval of Sami's actions has also helped. It's been a very long time since we've consistently seen Sami the heroine - a least a year.

lysie

Jan 22 2013, 08:22 PM

six

Jan 22 2013, 08:18 PM

six

Jan 22 2013, 07:39 PM

esp13

Jan 22 2013, 06:58 PM

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Yes. That's why there was a lot of people who were annoyed that the SPD was covering things up.

esp13

Jan 22 2013, 07:11 PM

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The fact that Rafe isn't backing Sami on this is a big example of Sami's behavior not getting the treatment it used to during the DH years.

And another thing - Marlenaa and Will's disapproval of Sami's actions has also helped. It's been a very long time since we've consistently seen Sami the heroine - a least a year.

Personally, I don't think we've ever seen Sami the heroine. We've only seen Sami treated as a heroine by others. MarDar and TomSell both seem to want to play it both ways with her. Regardless, I think Higley and Sheffer spent so much time making her a fake heroine, that any work to the opposite needs to be REAL obvious. Having her head to head with Gabi didn't help at all.

six

Jan 22 2013, 08:39 PM

lysie

Jan 22 2013, 08:22 PM

six

Jan 22 2013, 08:18 PM

six

Jan 22 2013, 07:39 PM

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And another thing - Marlenaa and Will's disapproval of Sami's actions has also helped. It's been a very long time since we've consistently seen Sami the heroine - a least a year.

Personally, I don't think we've ever seen Sami the heroine. We've only seen Sami treated as a heroine by others. MarDar and TomSell both seem to want to play it both ways with her. Regardless, I think Higley and Sheffer spent so much time making her a fake heroine, that any work to the opposite needs to be REAL obvious. Having her head to head with Gabi didn't help at all.

I think those two things are functionally the same. IMO, not having the known good guys rally around her when she's doing the wrong thing is enough to distinguish Sami the heroine from Sami the antagonist.

Honeybees

Jan 22 2013, 07:42 PM

blueskies

Jan 22 2013, 07:26 PM

i'm team Rafe here. Can't say I'm the guy's biggest supporter, but heck if Sami isn't more delusional than ever. She remembers her own son shot EJ in the back, yes?

Anyway, I just wish all of the "adults" would stay out of Will and Gabi's business and leave them the heck alone. Now I admit, I prefer hypocritical Sami to sainthood Sami anyday, but it does wear on one after a while...

Gabi and Will have, when not being influenced by others, shown that they care about each other. She respected Will's desire to know his child enough to make the godfather offer. He respects her enough to want to do what is right by her, although he isn't always sure what that is.

There's been nothing onscreen that indicates the two couldn't sit down with a counselor and work out a custody arrangement. I know for drama's sake, that's not going to happen, at least for awhile. But I think the show has gone out of its way to make it the influence of others that's causing the friction. I still can't get over what idiots Sami and Rafe were (both of them) when they found out.

But I'm guessing that eventually, Gabi and Will are just going to work things out. I do wish Sonny was more involved though. Maybe he and Gabi can get trapped in a mountain cabin when she's about to give birth in classic soap style.

lysie

Jan 22 2013, 08:45 PM

At one point, Rafe had several lines and he never once moved his mouth.

lysie

Jan 22 2013, 08:45 PM

When you add to that that I also loathe the Will/EJ dynamic, the Will/Sami dynamic, and the Gabi/Lysie dynamic...this story is killing me.

SoapGal1

Jan 22 2013, 08:50 PM

lysie

Jan 22 2013, 08:45 PM

When you add to that that I also loathe the Will/EJ dynamic, the Will/Sami dynamic, and the Gabi/Lysie dynamic...this story is killing me.

I just want you to know that you hating the Will/EJ dynamic hurts me. DEEP.

I expected the EJ/Sami hate, and I'm okay with that but this Will/EJ hate could prove problematic for us.

lysie

Jan 22 2013, 08:43 PM

six

Jan 22 2013, 08:39 PM

lysie

Jan 22 2013, 08:22 PM

six

Jan 22 2013, 08:18 PM

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Personally, I don't think we've ever seen Sami the heroine. We've only seen Sami treated as a heroine by others. MarDar and TomSell both seem to want to play it both ways with her. Regardless, I think Higley and Sheffer spent so much time making her a fake heroine, that any work to the opposite needs to be REAL obvious. Having her head to head with Gabi didn't help at all.

I think those two things are functionally the same. IMO, not having the known good guys rally around her when she's doing the wrong thing is enough to distinguish Sami the heroine from Sami the antagonist.

I wouldn't call Will a good guy, and Marlena wasn't around during most of the "heroine" talk anyway. For me, it needs to be people like Caroline, Winston, and Hope.

six

Jan 22 2013, 08:51 PM

lysie

Jan 22 2013, 08:43 PM

six

Jan 22 2013, 08:39 PM

lysie

Jan 22 2013, 08:22 PM

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I think those two things are functionally the same. IMO, not having the known good guys rally around her when she's doing the wrong thing is enough to distinguish Sami the heroine from Sami the antagonist.

I wouldn't call Will a good guy, and Marlena wasn't around during most of the "heroine" talk anyway. For me, it needs to be people like Caroline, Winston, and Hope.

I don't think Will is a good guy either, but at the time I'm talking about, he was a kid who said terrible things to his mom while other folks stood back and watched for the most part. That's not something that would happen to the heroine of the story. Marlena wasn't around during the heroine talk, but she is now, which is the time frame I'm talking about lol. If she had been around during the heroine period, I have no doubt she would have joined Bo, Roman etc. on team Sami is Right.

lysie

Jan 22 2013, 08:54 PM

six

Jan 22 2013, 08:51 PM

lysie

Jan 22 2013, 08:43 PM

six

Jan 22 2013, 08:39 PM

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I wouldn't call Will a good guy, and Marlena wasn't around during most of the "heroine" talk anyway. For me, it needs to be people like Caroline, Winston, and Hope.

I don't think Will is a good guy either, but at the time I'm talking about, he was a kid who said terrible things to his mom while other folks stood back and watched for the most part. That's not something that would happen to the heroine of the story. Marlena wasn't around during the heroine talk, but she is now, which is the time frame I'm talking about lol. If she had been around during the heroine period, I have no doubt she would have joined Bo, Roman etc. on team Sami is Right.

It's not good enough for me.

six

Jan 22 2013, 09:01 PM

lysie

Jan 22 2013, 08:54 PM

six

Jan 22 2013, 08:51 PM

lysie

Jan 22 2013, 08:43 PM

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I don't think Will is a good guy either, but at the time I'm talking about, he was a kid who said terrible things to his mom while other folks stood back and watched for the most part. That's not something that would happen to the heroine of the story. Marlena wasn't around during the heroine talk, but she is now, which is the time frame I'm talking about lol. If she had been around during the heroine period, I have no doubt she would have joined Bo, Roman etc. on team Sami is Right.

It's not good enough for me.

That's too bad, because if it was, you could be getting entertained by sort of real Sami like I am.

lysie

Jan 22 2013, 08:51 PM

SoapGal1

Jan 22 2013, 08:50 PM

lysie

Jan 22 2013, 08:45 PM

When you add to that that I also loathe the Will/EJ dynamic, the Will/Sami dynamic, and the Gabi/Lysie dynamic...this story is killing me.

I just want you to know that you hating the Will/EJ dynamic hurts me. DEEP.

I expected the EJ/Sami hate, and I'm okay with that but this Will/EJ hate could prove problematic for us.

Well, it's not new, and we made it through the year.

Honeybees

Jan 22 2013, 07:42 PM

blueskies

Jan 22 2013, 07:26 PM

i'm team Rafe here. Can't say I'm the guy's biggest supporter, but heck if Sami isn't more delusional than ever. She remembers her own son shot EJ in the back, yes?

Anyway, I just wish all of the "adults" would stay out of Will and Gabi's business and leave them the heck alone. Now I admit, I prefer hypocritical Sami to sainthood Sami anyday, but it does wear on one after a while...

Gabi and Will have, when not being influenced by others, shown that they care about each other. She respected Will's desire to know his child enough to make the godfather offer. He respects her enough to want to do what is right by her, although he isn't always sure what that is.

There's been nothing onscreen that indicates the two couldn't sit down with a counselor and work out a custody arrangement. I know for drama's sake, that's not going to happen, at least for awhile. But I think the show has gone out of its way to make it the influence of others that's causing the friction. I still can't get over what idiots Sami and Rafe were (both of them) when they found out.

But I'm guessing that eventually, Gabi and Will are just going to work things out. I do wish Sonny was more involved though. Maybe he and Gabi can get trapped in a mountain cabin when she's about to give birth in classic soap style.

esp13

Jan 22 2013, 09:26 PM

I wish somebody would punch Sami in the face.