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Spoilers for the Week of February 11th; *updated 2/5*
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Jan 31 2013, 08:58 PM
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The discussion started due to Rafe going from Sami to bar woman. Those events aren't months apart. They might not even be weeks apart.



Rafe finds someone in a bar--{and from what it sounds like,she's not a stranger], AFTER Sami already slept with EJ (from what the spoilers say) Go back as far as Deadbabysex which was a very slutty thing to do, for sure. Then she had Lucas, then going after EJ and Rafe like a dog in heat, all while the left out guy thought she was thinking of him. I know EJ was being very dense today, but he should have felt really really stupid not knowing all that was going on behind his back from New Years Eve till now. It's laughable, but Sami is still very much a slut,skank,hoe, easy.....etc.

Oh yeah, and Lucas even said "its Rafe on Thursday and Ej on Monday" or whatever days he said--even the writers see it and are making light of her sluttyness.
What does that have to do with the point that we're not talking about two events that happen months apart? NM. I'm basically finished going back and forth on this, because I know for a fact that if it had been Sami instead of Rafe in this position, it would be called slutty, whorish, behavior.
I'd have a problem with it if it were Sami because in 20 years, these kind of hook ups haven't really been her thing. When Rafe starts having a spoiler involving him making out and trying to sex up a different woman every week like Sami has for the last several months, I'll think it's comparable. Except I probably won't think about it at all because there's no way I'm watching that.

And it's not just Sami that gets this kind of bashing. I'd like to introduce you to Jennifer and Daniel.
LOL, I'd like to introduce you to me; one of the people who defend Jennifer and Daniel against these very complaints quite often.
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OMG! A single man after getting screwed over for the umpteenth time by a woman has one too many and hooks up with someone in a bar! The indecency! Just like how a victim of child abuse is considered a porn star!

I know that Sami has her fans, and I did like her once upon a time, but her behavior is more perplexing to me not because of the promiscuity, but due the fact she's acting like a basket case.
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Jan 31 2013, 07:17 PM
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The discussion started due to Rafe going from Sami to bar woman. Those events aren't months apart. They might not even be weeks apart.



Rafe finds someone in a bar--{and from what it sounds like,she's not a stranger], AFTER Sami already slept with EJ (from what the spoilers say) Go back as far as Deadbabysex which was a very slutty thing to do, for sure. Then she had Lucas, then going after EJ and Rafe like a dog in heat, all while the left out guy thought she was thinking of him. I know EJ was being very dense today, but he should have felt really really stupid not knowing all that was going on behind his back from New Years Eve till now. It's laughable, but Sami is still very much a slut,skank,hoe, easy.....etc.

Oh yeah, and Lucas even said "its Rafe on Thursday and Ej on Monday" or whatever days he said--even the writers see it and are making light of her sluttyness.
What does that have to do with the point that we're not talking about two events that happen months apart? NM. I'm basically finished going back and forth on this, because I know for a fact that if it had been Sami instead of Rafe in this position, it would be called slutty, whorish, behavior.
For what it's worth if it's worth anything, if Sami had the same character history as Rafe, or more specifically had been involved with just as many men or not as he has women in so many years, and had a hook-up after a most blow-outy break-up, I would not be calling her a slut or a whore or even fickle or a tease. And this is why I think years of Sami's "i love you no him no i am marrying him but fight for me i love you but here i am ready to kiss someone else" behavior is comparable to Rafe's ONS after almost sexing and getting back together with Sami.

And just a couple more cents to throw out there: Yes I suppose you have to have sex to be a slut, and I even said in an earlier post that she was probably a tease more than anything and that is what frustrated me about her. But to be honest, for me, it was never the amount of sex she was having that made me think the writing for Sami was borderline slutty. It was always more about Sami's "emotions" or "affections" I thought she was slutty with, if that makes any sense. I tried to get at this in my earlier post, about thinking that Sami doesn't really care when she professes to care about her men. It's like these feelings of hers have been so worked and overworked and worked again, and changed and interchanged and cycled through and flipped, that I consider them, I dunno, cheapened I guess. And I can't really take anything "heartfelt" from her seriously. I understand she can be torn and confused and it's possible to love more than one person deeply in one's lifetime. But at this point all of that has just lost all its sincerity or integrity for me, and thus so has Sami. That's just my feeling anyway.
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Jan 31 2013, 09:22 PM
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Jan 31 2013, 08:58 PM
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Jan 31 2013, 07:17 PM
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Jan 31 2013, 06:41 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deepRafe finds someone in a bar--{and from what it sounds like,she's not a stranger], AFTER Sami already slept with EJ (from what the spoilers say) Go back as far as Deadbabysex which was a very slutty thing to do, for sure. Then she had Lucas, then going after EJ and Rafe like a dog in heat, all while the left out guy thought she was thinking of him. I know EJ was being very dense today, but he should have felt really really stupid not knowing all that was going on behind his back from New Years Eve till now. It's laughable, but Sami is still very much a slut,skank,hoe, easy.....etc.

Oh yeah, and Lucas even said "its Rafe on Thursday and Ej on Monday" or whatever days he said--even the writers see it and are making light of her sluttyness.
What does that have to do with the point that we're not talking about two events that happen months apart? NM. I'm basically finished going back and forth on this, because I know for a fact that if it had been Sami instead of Rafe in this position, it would be called slutty, whorish, behavior.
I'd have a problem with it if it were Sami because in 20 years, these kind of hook ups haven't really been her thing. When Rafe starts having a spoiler involving him making out and trying to sex up a different woman every week like Sami has for the last several months, I'll think it's comparable. Except I probably won't think about it at all because there's no way I'm watching that.

And it's not just Sami that gets this kind of bashing. I'd like to introduce you to Jennifer and Daniel.
LOL, I'd like to introduce you to me; one of the people who defends Jennifer and Daniel against these very complaints quite often.
LOL. I know. You and your Daniel non-hate :wub:
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Jan 31 2013, 09:24 PM
OMG! A single man after getting screwed over for the umpteenth time by a woman has one too many and hooks up with someone in a bar! The indecency! Just like how a victim of child abuse is considered a porn star!

So...you missed that the "Rafe is a whore" thing was sarcasm being used to make a larger point, huh?

elci525
Jan 31 2013, 09:36 PM
six
Jan 31 2013, 07:17 PM
Vicky4Mimi
Jan 31 2013, 06:41 PM
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six
The discussion started due to Rafe going from Sami to bar woman. Those events aren't months apart. They might not even be weeks apart.



Rafe finds someone in a bar--{and from what it sounds like,she's not a stranger], AFTER Sami already slept with EJ (from what the spoilers say) Go back as far as Deadbabysex which was a very slutty thing to do, for sure. Then she had Lucas, then going after EJ and Rafe like a dog in heat, all while the left out guy thought she was thinking of him. I know EJ was being very dense today, but he should have felt really really stupid not knowing all that was going on behind his back from New Years Eve till now. It's laughable, but Sami is still very much a slut,skank,hoe, easy.....etc.

Oh yeah, and Lucas even said "its Rafe on Thursday and Ej on Monday" or whatever days he said--even the writers see it and are making light of her sluttyness.
What does that have to do with the point that we're not talking about two events that happen months apart? NM. I'm basically finished going back and forth on this, because I know for a fact that if it had been Sami instead of Rafe in this position, it would be called slutty, whorish, behavior.
For what it's worth if it's worth anything, if Sami had the same character history as Rafe, or more specifically had been involved with just as many men or not as he has women in so many years, and had a hook-up after a most blow-outy break-up, I would not be calling her a slut or a whore or even fickle or a tease. And this is why I think years of Sami's "i love you no him no i am marrying him but fight for me i love you but here i am ready to kiss someone else" behavior is comparable to Rafe's ONS after almost sexing and getting back together with Sami.

And just a couple more cents to throw out there: Yes I suppose you have to have sex to be a slut, and I even said in an earlier post that she was probably a tease more than anything and that is what frustrated me about her. But to be honest, for me, it was never the amount of sex she was having that made me think the writing for Sami was borderline slutty. It was always more about Sami's "emotions" or "affections" I thought she was slutty with, if that makes any sense. I tried to get at this in my earlier post, about thinking that Sami doesn't really care when she professes to care about her men. It's like these feelings of hers have been so worked and overworked and worked again, and changed and interchanged and cycled through and flipped, that I consider them, I dunno, cheapened I guess. And I can't really take anything "heartfelt" from her seriously. I understand she can be torn and confused and it's possible to love more than one person deeply in one's lifetime. But at this point all of that has just lost all its sincerity or integrity for me, and thus so has Sami. That's just my feeling anyway.
FWIW, I'm not saying everyone would be calling her names if the tables were turned.

lysie
Jan 31 2013, 09:41 PM
six
Jan 31 2013, 09:22 PM
lysie
Jan 31 2013, 08:58 PM
six
Jan 31 2013, 07:17 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deepRafe finds someone in a bar--{and from what it sounds like,she's not a stranger], AFTER Sami already slept with EJ
I'd have a problem with it if it were Sami because in 20 years, these kind of hook ups haven't really been her thing. When Rafe starts having a spoiler involving him making out and trying to sex up a different woman every week like Sami has for the last several months, I'll think it's comparable. Except I probably won't think about it at all because there's no way I'm watching that.

And it's not just Sami that gets this kind of bashing. I'd like to introduce you to Jennifer and Daniel.
LOL, I'd like to introduce you to me; one of the people who defends Jennifer and Daniel against these very complaints quite often.
LOL. I know. You and your Daniel non-hate :wub:
It's not just non- hate. It's love. ;) The boards really bring out the dannifer non-hate in me, though. lol
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Jan 31 2013, 09:56 PM
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Jan 31 2013, 09:24 PM
OMG! A single man after getting screwed over for the umpteenth time by a woman has one too many and hooks up with someone in a bar! The indecency! Just like how a victim of child abuse is considered a porn star!

So...you missed that the "Rafe is a whore" thing was sarcasm being used to make a larger point, huh?

elci525
Jan 31 2013, 09:36 PM
six
Jan 31 2013, 07:17 PM
Vicky4Mimi
Jan 31 2013, 06:41 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deepRafe finds someone in a bar--{and from what it sounds like,she's not a stranger], AFTER Sami already slept with EJ (from what the spoilers say) Go back as far as Deadbabysex which was a very slutty thing to do, for sure. Then she had Lucas, then going after EJ and Rafe like a dog in heat, all while the left out guy thought she was thinking of him. I know EJ was being very dense today, but he should have felt really really stupid not knowing all that was going on behind his back from New Years Eve till now. It's laughable, but Sami is still very much a slut,skank,hoe, easy.....etc.

Oh yeah, and Lucas even said "its Rafe on Thursday and Ej on Monday" or whatever days he said--even the writers see it and are making light of her sluttyness.
What does that have to do with the point that we're not talking about two events that happen months apart? NM. I'm basically finished going back and forth on this, because I know for a fact that if it had been Sami instead of Rafe in this position, it would be called slutty, whorish, behavior.
For what it's worth if it's worth anything, if Sami had the same character history as Rafe, or more specifically had been involved with just as many men or not as he has women in so many years, and had a hook-up after a most blow-outy break-up, I would not be calling her a slut or a whore or even fickle or a tease. And this is why I think years of Sami's "i love you no him no i am marrying him but fight for me i love you but here i am ready to kiss someone else" behavior is comparable to Rafe's ONS after almost sexing and getting back together with Sami.

And just a couple more cents to throw out there: Yes I suppose you have to have sex to be a slut, and I even said in an earlier post that she was probably a tease more than anything and that is what frustrated me about her. But to be honest, for me, it was never the amount of sex she was having that made me think the writing for Sami was borderline slutty. It was always more about Sami's "emotions" or "affections" I thought she was slutty with, if that makes any sense. I tried to get at this in my earlier post, about thinking that Sami doesn't really care when she professes to care about her men. It's like these feelings of hers have been so worked and overworked and worked again, and changed and interchanged and cycled through and flipped, that I consider them, I dunno, cheapened I guess. And I can't really take anything "heartfelt" from her seriously. I understand she can be torn and confused and it's possible to love more than one person deeply in one's lifetime. But at this point all of that has just lost all its sincerity or integrity for me, and thus so has Sami. That's just my feeling anyway.
FWIW, I'm not saying everyone would be calling her names if the tables were turned.

LOL no of course not. One can guess what the majority or overwhelming or in-any-degree sentiment might be. But as always I can only speak for myself (er, except for when I speak for other posters, em, which I should stop doing - unless I am just trying to voice another POV I guess). And this is as someone who hates Sami nowadays, sees the show as indeed the Days of Sami Hoohah, and considers her in a way slutty with these men. And that was all to say or argue, basically, that I don't see Sami's behavior lo' these many years and Rafe having a ONS after a break-up as comparable.
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OMG! A single man after getting screwed over for the umpteenth time by a woman has one too many and hooks up with someone in a bar! The indecency! Just like how a victim of child abuse is considered a porn star!

So...you missed that the "Rafe is a whore" thing was sarcasm being used to make a larger point, huh?

elci525
Jan 31 2013, 09:36 PM
six
Jan 31 2013, 07:17 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deepRafe finds someone in a bar--{and from what it sounds like,she's not a stranger], AFTER Sami already slept with EJ
For what it's worth if it's worth anything, if Sami had the same character history as Rafe, or more specifically had been involved with just as many men or not as he has women in so many years, and had a hook-up after a most blow-outy break-up, I would not be calling her a slut or a whore or even fickle or a tease. And this is why I think years of Sami's "i love you no him no i am marrying him but fight for me i love you but here i am ready to kiss someone else" behavior is comparable to Rafe's ONS after almost sexing and getting back together with Sami.

And just a couple more cents to throw out there: Yes I suppose you have to have sex to be a slut, and I even said in an earlier post that she was probably a tease more than anything and that is what frustrated me about her. But to be honest, for me, it was never the amount of sex she was having that made me think the writing for Sami was borderline slutty. It was always more about Sami's "emotions" or "affections" I thought she was slutty with, if that makes any sense. I tried to get at this in my earlier post, about thinking that Sami doesn't really care when she professes to care about her men. It's like these feelings of hers have been so worked and overworked and worked again, and changed and interchanged and cycled through and flipped, that I consider them, I dunno, cheapened I guess. And I can't really take anything "heartfelt" from her seriously. I understand she can be torn and confused and it's possible to love more than one person deeply in one's lifetime. But at this point all of that has just lost all its sincerity or integrity for me, and thus so has Sami. That's just my feeling anyway.
FWIW, I'm not saying everyone would be calling her names if the tables were turned.

LOL no of course not. One can guess what the majority or overwhelming or in-any-degree sentiment might be. But as always I can only speak for myself. And this is as someone who hates Sami nowadays, sees the show as indeed the Days of Sami Hoohah, and considers her in a way slutty with these men. And that was all to say or argue, basically, that I don't see Sami's behavior lo' these many years and Rafe having a ONS after a break-up as comparable.
Yes, this is why I'm careful not to single one person out and dispute their feelings by saying they would have reacted differently if it weren't for ____, because really, unless I've been paying close attention, how would I know? But as someone who is here way too often, I feel confident about how things would have gone overall. I get that some see shades of gray etc. though. :)
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Not sure how I would feel about Rafe and Kate hooking up. On one hand, it could be really awesome. On the other, it could be totally disgusting. I don't want it to be because of lazy writing where the writers thought, "Well, Kate doesn't have a story and the EJ/Sami/Rafe triangle is getting old... Let's throw Rafe and Kate together!" I was not a fan AT ALL of EJ/Kate, so I guess we'll see what happens...
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Jan 31 2013, 10:34 PM
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Jan 31 2013, 09:24 PM
OMG! A single man after getting screwed over for the umpteenth time by a woman has one too many and hooks up with someone in a bar! The indecency! Just like how a victim of child abuse is considered a porn star!

So...you missed that the "Rafe is a whore" thing was sarcasm being used to make a larger point, huh?

elci525
Jan 31 2013, 09:36 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deepRafe finds someone in a bar--{and from what it sounds like,she's not a stranger], AFTER Sami already slept with EJ
FWIW, I'm not saying everyone would be calling her names if the tables were turned.

LOL no of course not. One can guess what the majority or overwhelming or in-any-degree sentiment might be. But as always I can only speak for myself. And this is as someone who hates Sami nowadays, sees the show as indeed the Days of Sami Hoohah, and considers her in a way slutty with these men. And that was all to say or argue, basically, that I don't see Sami's behavior lo' these many years and Rafe having a ONS after a break-up as comparable.
Yes, this is why I'm careful not to single one person out and dispute their feelings by saying they would have reacted differently if it weren't for ____, because really, unless I've been paying close attention, how would I know? But as someone who is here way too often, I feel confident about how things would have gone overall. I get that some see shades of gray etc. though. :)
No of course I understand that, and appreciate it ;) But I was just repping for that voice, I guess - or maybe I shouldn't give myself that much credit. I was just stating how I would view the sitch were the roles reversed. Or really, what I was trying to do was say that even Sami in Rafe's position would not a slut make, because Rafe having a ONS and Sami's carousel o'men or carousel o'feelings for the past few years, are not comparable and would not announce the dawn of the Days of Rafe's Johnson, imo. LOL, I think that was my point buried somewhere in all these posts!

Anyway, dead-horse beaten =)
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Monday("Falling in Love")
Daniel and Chloe grow closer due to Parker's medical emergency; Sami tells Marlena about her newfound feelings for EJ.

Tuesday ("Jennifer's Lie")
Jennifer and Daniel get into an emotional argument; Stefano delivers some unsettling words to Kate.

Wednesday ("The Battle for Daniel")
Chloe and Jennifer fight about Daniel; Brady tells Kristen why he cannot marry her.
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I am READY!!

Must.

Stop.

Fangirl.

She's.

Too.

Strong.

:cheer:
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.

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Feb 1 2013, 12:16 AM
Monday("Falling in Love")
Daniel and Chloe grow closer due to Parker's medical emergency; Sami tells Marlena about her newfound feelings for EJ.

Tuesday ("Jennifer's Lie")
Jennifer and Daniel get into an emotional argument; Stefano delivers some unsettling words to Kate.

Wednesday ("The Battle for Daniel")
Chloe and Jennifer fight about Daniel; Brady tells Kristen why he cannot marry her.
I love the title for Monday's show. :wub: And evidently EJami's plan to keep their relationship a secret lasted less than a real day - much less a Salem one. :laugh: I can't say I'm unhappy about that. Now I guess we'll see how it's received by the Bradys, etc.

Yay for Daniel and Chloe growing closer.

STEFANO! And STATE!!! :cheer: I wonder if this is what prompts Kate to go to the bar...
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I'm so confused about those spoilers that EJ and Sami were keeping it a secret. Is it going to be like all these stupid little schemes that keep coming out on the same day? I'm not opposed, just confused . And ugh to all the Daniel stuff this week.
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I am READY!!

I'm loving that avi of yours, Soc. :wub: Fangirl looks good on you.
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.

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Feb 1 2013, 12:26 AM
I'm loving that avi of yours, Soc. :wub: Fangirl looks good on you.
I just can't fight it anymore. :$
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Feb 1 2013, 12:19 AM
Must.

Stop.

Fangirl.

She's.

Too.

Strong.

:cheer:
I watched today's episode ten hours ago and I can't exorcise the fangirl either. Today's episode just made her TOO STRONG. :$
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I own you bitch.

I loathe Dannifer. I can't take one more conversation about their feelings about dating. The only impediment to Dannifer is Dannifer.
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So jealous of your gif, soc! I tried to make one earlier today but gifsoup was being all tempormental.
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Feb 1 2013, 12:23 AM
I'm so confused about those spoilers that EJ and Sami were keeping it a secret. Is it going to be like all these stupid little schemes that keep coming out on the same day? I'm not opposed, just confused . And ugh to all the Daniel stuff this week.
Yeah, I think the jig is up the same day they planned to keep it a secret. Rafe and Brady know right away and apparently Sami tells Marlena right away too. Kinda bummed as I was looking forward to the secret.
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Jan 31 2013, 12:29 PM
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Jan 31 2013, 09:51 AM
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Jan 31 2013, 09:39 AM

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It was not the same day. And to LL, Rafe is going to have been willing to sleep with both women, too. It's not like he put a stop to things with Sami. Hope did.
It's happened more than once. Rafe isn't in the middle ofa story about him wanting two women. It's just not at all comparable. I have my own issues with it, but Rafe hooking up with someone in a bar well after breaking things off with Sami is completely different from Sami going back and forth between two men because she can't choose. That one kiss happened with Carrie while he was with Sami, but he didn't go straight from one to the other. He didn't get the chance to. It might have been different if Sami hasn't immediately caught them, but she did. Ultimately though, we've been getting different ' heat' spoilers for Sami for weeks. One week this man, one week the other. That hasn't happened with Rafe.
Here's the difference though, despite the fact that you don't think Sami cares about anyone but herself, because you personally hate the character and the actress, she DOES.

She IS torn about both men and has been for A VERY LONG TIME. It didn't just start 5 minutes ago, it started years ago in the safe house when she was pregnant with Sydney, loved EJ and was developing feelings for Rafe.

I'm not saying that she loves EJ more than Rafe or that her recent fights with Rafe negates her feelings for him, but that doesn't change the fact that she still cares about EJ too.

Rafe is getting ready to have sex with someone that he does not care about/love/whatever/etc., and that TO ME, makes him more of a whore, than Sami will ever be.

A one night stand is definitely more whorish than being torn between two men you have deep feelings for.
I thought there was going to be an affair for the two people.Has it changed from an affair to a one night stand?
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