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Wednesday, February 6th Daily Discussion
Topic Started: Feb 6 2013, 09:02 AM (8,713 Views)
EJamandBread
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I actually enjoyed GG today. I didn't mind him on Passions, so I know my irrational hatred of all things Rafe is 80% the poor writing, shallow character development and the forced storylines they've given him (like the chemistry-less Safe debacle). Now Rafe has as little bit more of an edge instead of being all schmoopy poo and, so far, I think it's working for him.
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Feb 6 2013, 09:56 PM
So, I :wub:Sami today. :laugh: She turned on her bitch mode when Rafe wouldn't stop dogging her. They build up was fantastic. You knew she was going to say something designed to cut him to the core; I was waiting for the boom and boy, did it come. The way she threw the "I'm really happy right now. I had sex with EJ and it was the best night of my life" was so cold! :coldb: She didn't scream or shout. It was almost calm and emotionless. She just wanted to shut him up for the shit he kept talking. Thank goodness because I was beyond tired of him. Even better, we know that she IS happy with EJ right now since they displayed that over the past few days. So for me, it was 70% for truth, 30% for spite from her. For that, I salute her. Then, afterward she was solely concerned about how her argument affected Will. She didn't care much about Rafe's feelings. Good, becuase I sure as hell don't. I hope this Sami sticks around. :rockon:

I loved Victor taunting Nicole today. Those scenes were absolutely perfect. From the candies to the "Taunting Nicole keeps me young," I could not stop laughing. Nik was off her A game again. She protested way too much for someone claiming innocence. Even Eric caught it. It because more apparent that she was losing her touch when Kristen slipped in that little seed of falling for Eric. That seed sprouted fruit quickly! Nicole's demeanor around Eric changed completely.

Wilson, why do you tug at my heart strings! :frownie:

Julie! :cart: Can we trade her for Maggie, please?.
Edited by zyona, Feb 6 2013, 10:50 PM.
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I can't even pretend to be interested in any of this shit anymore. The good news is that the last time I felt this way, the show did really well.
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Feb 6 2013, 10:00 PM
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Feb 6 2013, 09:53 PM
I am so glad that Will is moving on and that he stop apologizing, I just wish Will told him that he knows about Brian.
That was some classic soap misunderstanding. I think Will thought he was making it clear he knew, but since there is nothing to know, Sonny was oblivious to all the social cues Will was giving him. They were having two separate conversations. Sonny even seemed confused at Will's glum declaration of love sans any attempt to get back together. Sonny seemed hurt by that, and thus there was a sense of finality between them. Of course, they will get back together, but they both don't think they will at this point.
You think will was asking for a second/third chance? For a min I thought Sonny seemed disappointed that Will wanted to be just friend. Sonny saying that he can tell that the baby has Will's nose is weird. I was expecting Sammie to ask Will to take paternity test because the sonogram doesn't look like him.
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Feb 6 2013, 04:37 PM
Kate's obsession with her kids started when they started having a love life.
I don't think so....I agree with what Matt said above...her obsession with her kids started when she found out Austin and Billie were her kids....and when you see it that way it makes sense. She thought she had lost them, she didn't and overcompensated in that regard with Lucas and later Philip....forget Cassie and Rex as they aren't important. Her hatred of Sami started when she drugged Austin and then passed off Lucas' kid as his.....it really had nothing to do with either of Austin or Lucas' love life, since apparently by then she was all in team Austin/Carrie and she knew that Lucas was sleeping around.
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Feb 6 2013, 10:29 PM
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Feb 6 2013, 02:30 PM
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Feb 6 2013, 02:19 PM
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Feb 6 2013, 02:07 PM

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you know kate could be annoying with her meddling but i understood her most of the time and kates hate of sami made more sense
I think that's my problem. I mean, Kate may have been way OTT, but at least she had a reason to dislike Sami. Sami lied about Austin being the father of her child. That lie affected two of Kate's sons.

But I can't figure out why Sami hates Gabi so much. Yes, Gabi lied, but so did Will. I understand Sami being upset, but this has been ridiculously OTT since day one and for no good reason. Without that good reason, it just makes me hate Sami even more than I usually do (and that's saying something). I don't find her rants entertaining, I find them unwatchable.
I think the reason Sami is so hostile to Gabi is because Gabi attempted to pull the same stunt Sami did with Will all those years ago. Granted there is a bit of a twist with Will being aware, but Sami knows what it is to keep a baby from it's father. She's done it many times, with varying degrees of success until implosion. She's just playing the other side of the fence this time. Sami sees herself in Gabi IMO - and that's why she is going ballistic.
But it's not the same stunt. Perhaps it's a Sami-paternity-adjacent stunt, but this is very different. And as we've said, Sami here is 110% imposing her memories of her situation, how she acted, why she did it, etc., onto this situation. And while not at all out of character or totally un-understandable (that's not a word - incomprehensible is better?), it's annoying to some for this reason. Some like it; others don't. I used to like it, and I used to identify the vulnerability another poster mentioned. I used to looovvveee Sami for that blend of crazy and vulnerable - how was she able to make me think she was deranged, but also root for her, and feel sympathy for her in spite of/because of her lunacy? It was amazing! Once upon a time, long ago. But no more. I found nothing sympathetic or vulnerable about her today. Her lipstick and coat didn't help.

Sami knows what she knows and what she remembers of what she did, and even though all she has done thus far is suggest Will get a paternity test, which is not terrible, I suspect it won't stop there (it's clear Sami will be in this story in this capacity, so she'll continue to meddle). She'll start making decisions based on herself, or based on how she remembers these custody rodeos playing out when she was at the helm, etc. And her hostility for Gabi is disproportionate to what's actually happened and what Sami knows imo [she has suspicions of Gabi's' crimes, but doesn't know; she heard from this supposed friend that Gabi and Nick were planning a wedding, but she was quickly told otherwise so that's off the table]. I understand this is the impetus for drama and conflict - I get it. I just don't find entertainment in it - not in Sami anyway.

Sami is hostile and ballistic to Gabi b/c Sami is Sami. It's in character, I'll grant you that. So that is "good" I guess. But other than this, there is no redeemable aspect to her behavior. I don't care that she wants to help her son b/c I don't believe that is what this is about, not really. I don't care if it's understandable that this baggage she has of her own memories is informing her. And I don't care if Rafe is as much at fault for baiting or volleying with Sami in a pissing match today. It just falls flat.
Edited by elci525, Feb 7 2013, 11:28 AM.
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This, by far, was the best episode since the wedding blowup. I loved all of it.

First Eileen & Ari are gold. They are so fabulous together! I need them in scenes daily. Loved Kristen's line how they are both smart, ambitious, gorgeous & tall. LOL Her giving Nicole props on her scheme was icing on the cake.

Then there was Victor! Omg! Can I have him on everyday too? (without Mags of course) He is so darn snarky, grumpy & lovable all rolled into one. As soon as Brady said he wasn't the one who pressed charges, I knew it was Victor & couldn't wait for his entrance. :laugh: His scenes with Hope were great too.

RAFE! Oh how I loved him laying into Sami! It was just about my favorite Rafe scenes ever. When he said that she disgusted him, I cheered. Go Rafe! You deserve better!

Blake just gets better & better! That flash of crazy that darkens his face & then POOF! Gone. I won't let myself totally root for him because of the nasty homophobic shit he says, but I can't totally hate him. I hope he does get redeemed & not just sent off to the looney bin after this all is over.

Oh & I miss Bo like crazy! :'(
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Feb 6 2013, 03:03 PM
I like that we're finally getting to see more of happened to Nick in prison. Blake Berris continues to impress.

It's always great seeing Julie again!
Oh yes Julie! How I longed to see her snap on Sami like only Julie can. :P
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First, Julie!! :wub: We seriously need more of her.

Okay then, i liked today's eppi; i even liked the scenes Sami was in today (shocker). She & Rafe just seemed to want to hurt one another so they each tried to say the most hateful things they could. I actually enjoyed that. I don't believe Sami for one second that "last night was the best night of her life" but given what Rafe had just said to her, I thought it was an okay comeback.

Kristen/Brady/Nicole/Victor/Hope/Eric were PRICELESS today. So good. Victor's just awesome. If I could bottle him up and sprinkle his sarcasm and wit in every show I watch, I would totally do that. Kristen telling Nicole not to fall for a priest was great too. And I admit I did love her line about "forbidden fruit", but the "rawr" was a little odd, lol. I admit I laughed for minutes afterwards, but it just seemed so odd.
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Feb 6 2013, 11:19 PM
This, by far, was the best episode since the wedding blowup. I loved all of it.

First Eileen & Ari are gold. They are so fabulous together! I need them in scenes daily. Loved Kristen's line how they are both smart, ambitious, gorgeous & tall. LOL Her giving Nicole props on her scheme was icing on the cake.

Then there was Victor! Omg! Can I have him on everyday too? (without Mags of course) He is so darn snarky, grumpy & lovable all rolled into one. As soon as Brady said he wasn't the one who pressed charges, I knew it was Victor & couldn't wait for his entrance. :laugh: His scenes with Hope were great too.

RAFE! Oh how I loved him laying into Sami! It was just about my favorite Rafe scenes ever. When he said that she disgusted him, I cheered. Go Rafe! You deserve better!

Blake just gets better & better! That flash of crazy that darkens his face & then POOF! Gone. I won't let myself totally root for him because of the nasty homophobic shit he says, but I can't totally hate him. I hope he does get redeemed & not just sent off to the looney bin after this all is over.

Oh & I miss Bo like crazy! :'(
I missed your post before I clicked okay on mine. You seriously summed up my feelings on all subjects perfectly :)
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Feb 6 2013, 11:18 PM
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Feb 6 2013, 10:29 PM
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Feb 6 2013, 02:19 PM

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I think that's my problem. I mean, Kate may have been way OTT, but at least she had a reason to dislike Sami. Sami lied about Austin being the father of her child. That lie affected two of Kate's sons.

But I can't figure out why Sami hates Gabi so much. Yes, Gabi lied, but so did Will. I understand Sami being upset, but this has been ridiculously OTT since day one and for no good reason. Without that good reason, it just makes me hate Sami even more than I usually do (and that's saying something). I don't find her rants entertaining, I find them unwatchable.
I think the reason Sami is so hostile to Gabi is because Gabi attempted to pull the same stunt Sami did with Will all those years ago. Granted there is a bit of a twist with Will being aware, but Sami knows what it is to keep a baby from it's father. She's done it many times, with varying degrees of success until implosion. She's just playing the other side of the fence this time. Sami sees herself in Gabi IMO - and that's why she is going ballistic.
But it's not the same stunt. Perhaps it's a Sami-paternity-adjacent stunt, but this is completely, as we've said, Sami imposing her memories of her situation, how she acted, why she did it, etc., onto this situation. And while not at all out of character or totally un-understandable (that's not a word - incomprehensible is better?), it's annoying to some for this reason. Some like it; others don't. I used to like it, and I used to identify the vulnerability another poster mentioned. I used to looovvveee Sami for that blend of crazy and vulnerable - how was she able to make me think she was deranged, but also root for her, and feel sympathy for her in spite of/because of her lunacy? It was amazing! Once upon a time, long ago. But no more. I found nothing sympathetic or vulnerable about her today. Her lipstick and coat didn't help.

Sami knows what she knows and what she remembers of what she did, and even though all she has done thus far is suggest Will get a paternity test, which is not terrible, I suspect it won't stop there (it's clear Sami will be in this story in this capacity, so she'll continue to meddle). She'll start making decisions based on herself, or based on how she remembers these custody rodeos playing out when she was at the helm, etc. And her hostility for Gabi is disproportionate to what's actually happened and what Sami knows imo [she has suspicions of Gabi's' crimes, but doesn't know; she heard from this supposed friend that Gabi and Nick were planning a wedding, but she was quickly told otherwise so that's off the table]. I understand this is the impetus for drama and conflict - I get it. I just don't find entertainment in it - not in Sami anyway.

Sami is hostile and ballistic to Gabi b/c Sami is Sami. It's in character, I'll grant you that. So that is "good" I guess. But other than this, there is no redeemable aspect to her behavior. I don't care that she wants to help her son b/c I don't believe that is what this is about, not really. I don't care if it's understandable that this baggage she has of her own memories is informing her. And I don't care if Rafe is as much at fault for baiting or volleying with Sami in a pissing match today. It just falls flat.
That's because most of the writing for this show lacks depth and at worst is a bunch of plot points strung together. That's why it fails to draw me in.
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I am going to go out on a limb here, I think we will find out that Nick eventually gets over his "homophobia" - he was naive before he went to prison and kinda wacky. Now clearly he was traumatized in jail, he is angry and bitter and I wonder if it was a learned behavior to try and blend in with other dangerous criminals there and it stuck. I am not excusing him for his attitude but I think, or I hope with time and therapy he is going to develop more healthy patterns of thinking and behaving with support.

Please tell me I misread, EJ and Sam are not going to work together with Kristen? Victor and the Titan team will clean their clocks! :roflol:
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I find it funny how everyone thinks Rafe is the shit now that he's not with Sami and now Ej sucks cause he is.
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I don't understand Sami's outfit. Is she supposed to be on her way to the gym? That's the only reason I can think of for her to be wearing light grey leggings.
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Feb 7 2013, 01:25 AM
I find it funny how everyone thinks Rafe is the shit now that he's not with Sami and now Ej sucks cause he is.
idk, i think it's still the same ppl who like Rafe liked Rafe before, and those who liked EJ before still like EJ. That is besides the people who like everyone better when they aren't chained to Samil.
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I must be watching a different show than some. Will was always worried about losing Sonny if he find out about the baby. Nick and Gabi reminded him time and again that he's lose Sonny if he told the truth. So yes, that was the main reason along with thinking the baby was better off without him in the child's life. It wasn't a guild trip at all. Will finally told Sonny the truth. Right about now Sonny has no room to talk with the secret he's keeping from Will. And I have a feeling it's not coming out any time based on spoilers I've seen.

I enjoyed Will yesterday. He acted mature about the situation letting Sonny go, not because he wants to but because he thinks Sonny is better off without him and has already moved on.

But obviously Sonny was ready to tell Will he wants to work this out. I thought the hand hold was very swoon worthy.
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Feb 7 2013, 07:33 AM
I must be watching a different show than some. Will was always worried about losing Sonny if he find out about the baby. Nick and Gabi reminded him time and again that he's lose Sonny if he told the truth. So yes, that was the main reason along with thinking the baby was better off without him in the child's life. It wasn't a guild trip at all. Will finally told Sonny the truth. Right about now Sonny has no room to talk with the secret he's keeping from Will. And I have a feeling it's not coming out any time based on spoilers I've seen.

I enjoyed Will yesterday. He acted mature about the situation letting Sonny go, not because he wants to but because he thinks Sonny is better off without him and has already moved on.

But obviously Sonny was ready to tell Will he wants to work this out. I thought the hand hold was very swoon worthy.
I totally agree with you!!
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http://www.network54.com/Forum/358635/


Director: Herb Stein
Scriptwriter: Richard Culliton


Segment 1: Kristen will think about getting married in secret if that is what Brady wants. Brady - No, it's absolutely not.

Hope knocks on the rectory door and comes in (Eric and Nicole were about to talk balanced budget). Hope is here on police business; she needs to ask Nicole a few questions. Nicole - About what? Actually I'm busy right now. Hope - I really don't care. She asks Eric if she can speak to Nicole alone. Nicole snaps - Absolutely not. I need a witness just in case she badgers me. What's this about? Hope - I'm investigating some illegal activities involving corporate espionage and theft at Titan. Eric points out that Nicole doesn't have anything to do with Titan anymore. Hope - Are you sure about that Eric? You have no idea about it? Nicole - Can I cry sanctuary and she automatically has to leave? Hope - You object to answering a few questions? Nicole - No, I object to you blaming me for everything that comes across your desk. That's harassment! Eric - Can you tell us why you want to talk to Nicole? Like I said she's no longer affiliated with Titan. Hope - Some files were stolen off of Brady Black's laptop. Eric - And that led you to Nicole? Nicole - Everything leads her to Nicole. She's still trying to blame me for the Great Train Robbery. Hope - You still haven't told me where you were that night? Nicole - Oh look how much fun she's having falsely accusing me ... Hope - Stop. I'm not accusing you of anything. Actually in fact, questioning you wasn't my idea. I took the case over from another detective and a complaint was filed against you. Eric - And who did that? Hope - I can't divulge that information as you know but what I can tell you is that whomever filed the complaint was absolutely positive that Nicole was responsible. Nicole - Brady! OMG, I can't believe this. You know what, actually I can believe this because that bitch Kristen put him up to it.

Gabi thanks Julie for the baby gift. You're too good to me. Julie begs to disagree. The way you helped turned Nick's life around; I couldn't possibly be too good to you. Gabi - Nick did that. I've never, ever met anyone so focused. Julie - I know and I was so frightened for him. When he was stabbed, it was all touch and go. Even when we knew he was going to survive I was afraid he'd have big emotional scars. Gabi - He was stabbed? Julie - Oh Gabi, you didn't know. I'm so sorry. Gabi - The scar on his back; he was stabbed. Julie - He never told you. Gabi - No, whenever I asked him he got too upset. What happened? Julie - That's just it, nobody knows. Nick refuses to ... Nick comes up to them in the pub - Julie, not one word!

Will sees Sonny working inside the coffeehouse. He pulls out the key to Sonny's place and recalls the morning Sonny gave it to him. He goes inside, they stare at each other for a moment.

When Sami says they need to talk Rafe replies that he thinks that everything that needs to be said has already been said. Sami - Just listen, EJ and I ... Rafe - I know what you and EJ did. I really don't need to hear the details. You slept with EJ. All I was wondering is how long it was going to take you to throw it in my face. Sami wasn't go to say ... Rafe - What were you going to say then, huh? What the hell else is there to talk about? That's all you guys have been doing since we had our little chat, isn't it? Sami would appreciate it if he could be a little less offensive. EJ and I talked about the situation with Gabi and he helped me see that I could have handled it better. Rafe - You talked? That's what you did? You talked. Really? That's why you farmed the kids out? So you and EJ could talk? Go to hell.

Brady - We've been through this. If we get married right now it's going to make it virtually impossible for me to reconcile with my family. Kristen - That's why I thought you wanted to keep it secret. Brady - Because that's what you were implying. Make no mistake, if we do get married, I don't want it to be a secret. We hid how we felt from everybody before and look how it turned out. Kristen - You're right but that was completely different. Brady doesn't care. I don't want to hide anything. My family knows that I love you. I think that they should absorb that. If we get married I want everyone there. I want everyone to see what we have together. He gets a call from Eric. Father, what did I do now? Eric - I don't know. I was hoping you could meet me at the police station in a few minutes. Brady - You had me kicked off the board and now you want to make a citizen's arrest? Eric - I can't explain it on the phone but it's kind of important. So if you would meet me at the police station ... Brady will be right there. He tells Kristen he doesn't know what it's about but Eric whats him to meet him at the police station. I'll text you when I know what's going on. They kiss and he leaves. Kristen talks to herself. Okay, so I'll ask. What's a girl got to do to get a marriage proposal around here.


Segment 2: Eric and Nicole are now at the police station. Nicole tells him that the only good thing about this morning is that he was there. Eric - For spiritual guidance. Nicole - So can I call you as a witness in my civil suit against the City of Salem and Hope, drunk with power, Brady? Eric - I'll testify that she asked you to answer a couple of questions. Nicole - She dragged me in here without a shred of evidence. Eric - Because you cut her off before she could finish her sentence and it seemed a little bit by design. Nicole - Whose side are you on anyway? Eric - I'm on yours but you're playing it as if you something to hide. I mean, all this outrage and protestation. If you could tone it done a few decibels. Brady comes in the room and sees Nicole - What's she doing here? Nicole - Don't play innocent with me. You set me up, you and that sea witch you're shagging. Brady - What is it that I apparently setup? Nicole - You set me up for stealing those files. Hope walks in - So you admit you stole them? Nicole - I didn't admit to anything. She turns to Brady. I know you're angry but how could you do this to me? I have a record, this could be really bad. Brady - I'm aware of that which is why I didn't turn you in. Nicole - No, you had Kristen do it for you.

Kristen is complaining to Stefano that Brady shot down the concept of getting married in secret. Stefano - In secret? I'm going to be polite now and call it your plan, wasn't it your idea to humilate him in front of the church? When you have humilation you have a lot of people. I mean John dumped you in a room filled with people. Kristen - I kind of remember that so I guess I would have found a way to make the private ceremony public. I'm not stupid. Stefano - No but sometimes you get caught up in emotion. This idiot does not even want to marry you. Kristen - I really hate talking to you. Stefano - What I'm doing right now talking to you is not fun either. This is like old times. When you had an idea you would follow through with it and you would never think that the whole thing could possibly blow up in your face. Kristen - Okay, so you don't have any faith in me. What else is new? I don't care because I'm going to get what I want no matter what. She hangs up.

Gabi tells Nick to calm down. Julie is so sorry. Nick - I don't need to calm down. I am calm. I just want to put the whole thing behind me. It never happened. No harm, no foul. He looks at the baby gift. This is beautiful. This is so nice of you. Where did you get this? Lucky us, with the Horton family we're never going to have to buy one thing for this baby. He hugs Gabi.

Sonny and Will sit down at a table. Sonny - You didn't just drop by for coffee. Will wanted to talk to him for a minute. He passes Sonny the key. I just figured I've had it long enough. Sonny - There wasn't a timetable ... Will knows. I moved my stuff out already, there's no reason for me to keep it.

Sami - What happens between EJ and me is none of your business. Rafe - You're right. It's not. He starts walking away but stops. But you know what I do find amazing ... what amazes me ... two weeks ago you were going to dump him for me. Then all a sudden there you go, bam, you jump right back in the sack with him. You couldn't resist, could you? Sami - That's what this is about? You're jealous. Rafe - I'm jealous? Yeah, you wish. Are you kidding me? After the way you treated my sister. I'll tell you something. You can do whatever the hell you want with whoever the hell you want. Sami - Then why are you so upset? Rafe - Because I fell in love with a woman who doesn't exist, that's why. You make me sick. I'll tell you something honestly, I wish I could delete every single memory I have of you.


Segment 3: Kristen is now at the police station. She tells Nicole that she did not call the police on her although she is still thinking of taking legal action against her but not until she talks to Brady. I'm trying to respect the fact that he thinks of you as a friend. Nicole - And when she's done here, she's going to go and collect for UNICEF. Hope returns. I still can't get hold of the first detective on the case but let's be honest here, it really doesn't matter. You all but admitted that you did it. Nicole tells Eric she's scared. Eric has his arm around Nicole's shoulder - I know that this is yours and Kristen's decision but the repercussions of pressing charges could be very devastating; she could go back to prison. Kristen - Obviously she's been distraught and not in control. If she'd thought about this for even a minute she probably wouldn't have done something so stupid. Brady - Are you okay with not pressing charges? Kristen - I guess the last few months have changed her. She's your friend. You must see something in her that I just don't see. Nicole - So can I go. Hope - No you can't because the person who reported the crime still has a say in the matter. Nicole - Who wants to put me back in jail. Victor walks in - Well Nicole, that would be me. (LOL - He pretends to curl his mustache like the villains in the old movies).

Julie - Nick, you're in such a good mood, can I presume that the two of you worked things out with Will? Gabi - He's been very great but not his Mom. Julie - Aw, Sami, so brash, so passionate, so in your face, not unlike the way I used to be long ago. Do you need me to talk to her? Gabi - No, we have everything under control, thank you. Julie - I think it's absolutely wonderful that this baby is going to have 3 loving parents looking out for it. She has errands to do. If you need anything at all, call me. She leaves. Nick looks at the dress - It's hard to believe that this is going to go on our very own baby girl one day. Gabi - When you heard what Julie was saying you were so upset. Nick - I don't want anyone to worry you. Gabi - Then you covered it up. I know you don't want to talk about it, but the stabbing, I think we should talk about it. Nick has a flashback to when he was stabbed in prison. Gabi notices his hands are shaking.

Sonny - You said you got all your stuff but you left that watch that you loved. Will - I left that for you. I know you liked it. I want you to have it. Sonny - Thank you. Will - You're welcome. Besides you're late all the time so you could probably use it more than I could. I was hoping I could run something by you, if that's okay. Sonny - Yeah. Will - I know it's a lot to ask but I was hoping that we could be friends.

Sami - That's a really awful thing to say. Rafe - Right, shouldn't be mean to you. But a scared, pregnant girl - that's no big deal to you. Too fragile to hear the truth, aren't you? Sami - I don't think it is the truth. I think it's something that you chose to say because it was calculated to hurt me. Rafe - Yeah right. Couldn't be anymore true. You know what I've had to deal with, with you? Do you have any idea? All the bull year, after year, after year. Sami - Well I'm sorry about that, I really am 'cause I on the other hand am having a great life now. I did have sex with EJ last night and I'll tell you one thing, it was the best night of my life.


Segment 4: Victor sits down and holds out a bag. Does anyone want some candy? I brought candy. Nicole - You S.O.B. Victor - Oh sit down Nicole. Nobody likes a sore loser. Detective Brady, let me bring you up to speed here on what's going on. When the Titan security team was notified that some files were downloaded from my nincompoop grandson's computer without authorization, we worked backwards and we found that the files had been downloaded from my home at a time and date that Nicole was there. Nicole - You vile, vindicative ... Victor - Now don't take it personally Nicole ... oh good ahead, take it personally. Eric - Hope, is there anything you can do? Hope - I need to speak to Victor alone please. Kristen - What did you do to get on his bad side Nicole? Oh right ... Hope closes the door after the 4 leave. What are you doing? What are you, 5 years old. Victor - I like to think of it as young at heart. Hope - Does it mean nothing to you at all that Nicole stole that file to get Brady away from that woman, from Kristen? Let me remind you that she's a woman that you hate even more than Nicole. Victor - Hmm, do I hate Kristen more than I hate Nicole? How many angels can dance on the head of a pin? Hope - Wow. So I get to go home and tell Ciara what a jerk grandpa was today. Victor, do not do this. Victor - Oh, I'm not going to press charges. I think she can be very helpful in getting Brady away from that whack job ... Hope - This was all a charade? Victor - Taunting Nicole keeps me young. Hope - Wasting my time makes me a little bit angry. Victor - I'll make up for it, I promise. Hope - Good, I'm going to hold you to it. I know you like to have your fun and I admit, a few more minutes of Nicole's screeching and we might have had a homicide on our hands today.

Sonny - I hope that we'll always be friends. Will - Me too. Sonny - I know things are weird between us but if you ever need anyone to talk to, I'm available. Will - Thank you. I appreciate that a lot. Sonyy - I care so much about you. Will - I feel the same way about you. I just want you to be happy even if it's not with me. Cue flashback of them exchanging hugs and I love you's. They both start talking at once. Sonny - You think that we should just be friends. Will - I think that's for the best. My life's been crazy with the baby ... let me show you something. He shows him the sonogram pic. Sonny - She has your nose. Will - I guess so. Is it weird? I'm really starting to get excited about being a dad. Sonny - We're friends now, right. Friends are honest with each other. I really think you need to be careful with Nick and Gabi. I don't trust them.

Gabi takes his hands - I'm sorry I upset you. Nick - I'm sorry. I'm fine. I don't like thinking about the past. I like thinking about you and the baby. Gabi - I understand. I just want you to know that I love you and I want you to share things with me because I'm tougher than I look. Nick - I know I can share things with you but there are things that happened in prison that I had to learn how to get through and put out of my mind like it never happened. It's the only way to survive.

Rafe - There's a new experience, isn't it? You telling the truth; only last time when you talked to EJ and then you lied to me about if for months. Sami - Yeah, I wonder why I did that. I had this crazy notion that you would have no compassion for the fact that I was out of my mind with grief thinking that my son was dead. All you would care about is that I had cheated on you. Rafe - Yeah, poor you. There's no sense having another post-mortem, is there. What we had is dead, it doesn't matter why. Sami - Finally, something we can agree on. Rafe - Unfortunately we can't make it a clean break because of the baby but maybe if you keep up your end of the deal and don't harass my sister we might be okay. Sami - Absolutely as long as Gabi doesn't stop Will from having his rights as a father, I have no problem. Rafe - My sister has no problem whatsoever with Will seeing the baby. Sami - I'm not just talking about Will seeing the baby. Rafe - Then what are you talking about? Sami - I'm talking about Will having equal rights to his own daughter; I'm talking about shared custody. Rafe - You really want to make this child a prize in a custody battle? Sami - No, of course I don't. I don't see any reason why Gabi would keep Will for his own little girl but if she tries you can be sure it will be Gabi in court pleading with Will for a chance to see her daughter. Rafe - As if, she's the mother, okay. If you think that's the case then you're definitely crazier than I thought. Sami - Really, she's the mother? Are you forgetting the fact that the mother is going to marry a convicted felon and a murderer. Not to mention her own crimes whatever they may be. What judge is in his right mind wouldn't give the child to Will?


Segment 5: Rafe - You pull any dirty tricks with my sister or the baby and I will come after you. And by the way, I will be the judge of what's dirty seeing as you have this charming way of justifying just about everything including attempted murder. Sami - Right, since your sister's fiance is a convicted murderer, I'm not exactly quaking in my boots. Rafe - Go to hell. After he walks aways Sami shakes her head - Great, what did I just do?

Will knows he doesn't like them, he understands that but he has to be around Gabi and Nick and he's going to be around them for the rest of his life so he has to deal with that. I think we've worked it out. Gabi has been nothing but great. Sonny - I hope you're right but wasn't working it out a little too easy? Wll - No, because we only want what's best for the baby. Sonny - But Nick and Gabi are teamed up, did you ever think they could be stringing you along? Will - I know you have this thing about Gabi that you can't tell me about ... Sonny - She's not as innocent as you think she is. Forget about what I know about her, what about the fact that they tried to get you to give up the rights to your own child. Over and over they lie and manipulate to get what they want ... Will - I didn't give up the baby for them, I gave up the baby for you.

Kristen and Brady follow Eric and Nicole into the square. Kristen asks Brady to wait just a second. She asks Nicole if they could walk back to the church together; give us a chance to clear the air. Sounds like a good idea to Eric. Kristen tells Brady she'll meet him back at her hotel room. She looks at Eric - Maybe clearing the air would be a good thing all the way around. The ladies leave. Brady is going to leave so Eric thanks him for not pressing charges. Brady - Neither did Kristen. Eric - I appreciate that. Brady - I don't like the way things are between us; I liked them the way they were before. Eric - I did too. Brady - But it's never going to be that way again, right, as long as I'm with Kristen.

Kristen follows Nicole into the rectory. Nicole is not up to another fight. Kristen suggests calling a truce. That whole thing with the Titan documents kind of defanged you, so there's no need for active warfare. If you mind your manners, if you don't, I will destroy you, I think I can be civil with you. Maybe someday we could even be friends. We have a lot in common. We're both smart, ambitious, gorgeous, tall but I do respect the way you went after me, decent plan. Nicole - Yeah, it really should have worked. Kristen - You're kind of off your game and after today I can certainly understand why. Nicole - What is that supposed to mean? Kristen - How about working shoulder to shoulder with that hunk in a little turnaround collar. Do you know how to spell forbidden fruit?


Segment 6: Victor wants Hope to do one more thing for him before he leaves. Tell me what's really going on with Bo. Hope claims she doesn't know what he means. Vic - We both know he wouldn't be away from you and Ciara for this long without a very good reason. She kisses his cheek - It's always so good to see you Victor.

Kristen did her homework. You and Eric were involved. Nicole - Ages ago. We're just friends now. Kristen - I'd work hard to keep it that way. Take it from someone who knows, you don't want to fall in love with a priest. That makes married men look like a walk in the park. She leaves.

Rafe knocks on the door to Gabi's room. She tells him to come in. She asks him what's wrong. Why are you back so soon? Rafe - I just talked to Sami. And I don't want to scare you but I think there's going to be trouble ahead for you and the baby.

Sami stomps into the square muttering - stupid, stupid, stupid. Look up tipping your hand in the dictionary and there's my picture. I have to do some damage control. I'll start with Will. She sends him a text to meet her at her place.

Nick walks up to the door of the coffeehouse and sees Sonny and Will together. Sonny - You were going to give up your baby for me? Will - Yes. I thought if you knew I was having a baby I'd lose you which I did. So it wasn't Nick or Gabi, it was me. Sonny - You said you were doing what's right for the baby. Will - I did say that but I think deep down I felt that I couldn't have you and the baby so I chose you. I chose you over my own kid which is messed up but that's how much I love you. I was really selfish. Sonny covers his hand (Nick takes off) - I'm so sorry, if I had known ... Will - You couldn't know because I didn't say anything. I screwed up everything and now it's too lae. He gets up and leaves.


Segment 7: Brady and Kristen are back in her room. She tells him that she and Nicole called a truce. It did hit me that she was in pain and I know she was looking out for you so ... Brady - You are truly not the tough chick people think you are. He tells her she was great agreeing not to press charges, this truce thing - you went above and beyond. Kristen - I don't want you to lose one more person in your life because of me. Brady is going to have to figure out something special to reward her with.

Eric returns to the rectory and asks how things went with Kristen. Fine, she was actually really nice. Thanks to Victor I really have a lot of work to do so I don't have time to talk. Eric - Okay, what's next? Nicole - No offence but things would go a lot faster if I do them myself. He grabs her hand - Would you tell me why you're pushing me away like this?

Rafe - So I think Sami's going to push for some sort of mutual custody agreement. Gabi - We've already talked about this. Nick and I are going to raise the baby and Will can see her whenever he wants and Will's on board. We're getting along great. Rafe - Sis, we're talking about Sami here. Sami Brady, she can get Will to do whatever she wants, whatever she thinks is right. Nick comes up outside the door and hears Rafe say - I wouldn't put it past Sami to take you to Family Court once the baby is born and not just for partial custody, maybe even for full custody. Gabi - No, I am the mother of this baby. The court's not going to take the baby away from it's mother. Rafe - Let me tell you exactly what Sami said. The court may take issue with you being married to a murderer. Gabi - OMG. No.

Will comes into Sami's apt. He shows her the sonogram. I got to feel it kick. Sami - I can see by the look on your face that you love her already. Will - Yeah, this kind of makes it real in a good way. Sami - Good. I know you think the baby isn't coming for a long time but it's going to happen soon and I really think you should contact that lawyer that EJ recommended. Will - Why? Sami - Because I think that you need to insist that Gabi get a paternity test immediately.
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Feb 7 2013, 07:33 AM
I must be watching a different show than some. Will was always worried about losing Sonny if he find out about the baby. Nick and Gabi reminded him time and again that he's lose Sonny if he told the truth. So yes, that was the main reason along with thinking the baby was better off without him in the child's life. It wasn't a guild trip at all. Will finally told Sonny the truth. Right about now Sonny has no room to talk with the secret he's keeping from Will. And I have a feeling it's not coming out any time based on spoilers I've seen.

I enjoyed Will yesterday. He acted mature about the situation letting Sonny go, not because he wants to but because he thinks Sonny is better off without him and has already moved on.

But obviously Sonny was ready to tell Will he wants to work this out. I thought the hand hold was very swoon worthy.
I guess it's all in the eye of the beholder. I saw shell-shocked Will say over and over he wanted to support Gabi and do what was right for the baby from moment one. But, you make a good point in that the very idea that he would lose Sonny over the baby was generated and promoted by Nick and Gabi over and over and over. Every time Will wanted to tell the truth, they something to the effect of "of course you can, we're not trying to stop you but you'll lose Sonny." In the beginning, before Nick's secret plan, Will expressed that this would make it difficult but not that he would lose Sonny. Should Will have let them get away with it? Of course not, but it's fundamentally immoral to expect a person to give up the rights of their child without counseling and legal protection for everyone, especially the child. But Nick said over and over that this has to be a secret, even though any sane person in that situation would have gone to a family lawyer ASAP - and it all could have been handled discreetly.

But the show I was watching also had Will saying over and over again, he didn't want his child to grow up in a broken home. You saw him looking at Johnny and EJ together sadly, and thinking about being a pawn in the war between his parents. He brought up the broken home issue way before the Sonny issue. If the show now wants to retcon that as being all about Sonny, even though Will has been portrayed by being scarred by his childhood from day one and he's only known Sonny for less than two years, his broken childhood was apparently the excuse he was using? Apparently, that's what this week's writers have decided, but it certainly wasn't the show I was watching.

edited to reflect immoral and immortal not being same! But that is my favorite spelling error I've ever made.
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I find it funny how everyone thinks Rafe is the shit now that he's not with Sami and now Ej sucks cause he is.
idk, i think it's still the same ppl who like Rafe liked Rafe before, and those who liked EJ before still like EJ. That is besides the people who like everyone better when they aren't chained to Samil.
I am not a Rafe fan but, I think he has been a pretty decent guy to Sami throughout most of their relationhsip, and I appreciate anyone that does not put up with any of Sami's nonsense. I for one thought Rafe had forgiven her too easily and quickly for having cheated on him with EJ of all people.

I loved the period when Will was giving her a piece of his mind and wouldn't let up. It was great, I was one hundred percent on Will's side and it is the same with Rafe. Afterall, what exactly did Rafe do to her that was so wrong that she moved on with Rafe's enemy in no time, without even giving Rafe a second thought; All Rafe did was defend his sister.

I normally love EJ, but I certainly do not like the way they are writing him. They have him sucking up to Sami. That is all he has been doing, in order to get what he wants. The fact that he wants her of all people makes me think little of him. After having seen the way she treated Lucas, and having watched her bouncing from EJ to Rafe, she then makes a decision. She chooses Rafe, and she would have been with Rafe if Rafe did not dare to disagree with her at the way she was treating his sister. and EJ knows that. So I now have more respect for Rafe than I do for EJ.

I hate EJami, I have to fast forward their scenes, but I am hoping that Rafe does not soften towards her, and continue to put his foot down, because she has not done anything to deserve anyone's respect. She has certainly disrespected Rafe time and time again.



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