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Nick's true motives revealed; Airs week of March 4
Topic Started: Feb 26 2013, 09:38 PM (12,849 Views)
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Really? They let EJ raise a child despite how he has "acted" in the past. Sami gets to raise her children. Lexie did all sorts of bad things when she was trying to keep Zach, but she got to raise Theo. I realize Nick isn't the biological father, but since I don't believe that biology is everything, that doesn't much matter to me.

I'm with the poster above who said that if Nick was a homophobe, I'd be totally team Nick. And I like Will. But I hate Sami and it's hard to root for any scenario where I have to be on her side about anything. If Will stood up on his own and didn't let his mother influence him, I'd be much more likely to be completely on his side. As it is, the best I can hope for is that Nick gets taken down, Will tells Sami to take a hike, Gabi gets a brain, and Will and Gabi figure out how to co-parent their child.
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Angelsmile
Feb 27 2013, 11:36 AM
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Feb 27 2013, 10:06 AM
Will could sign away his rights but it will not matter because a person has so many months(I thinking three months) after the baby is baby to change their mind.Like when a baby is put up for adoption by its parents after the baby is born even if the baby is adopt,the bio parents have a few months to change their minds.
Will signing away his rights means nothing mainly because he has proof that he was blackmailed into doing it. No agreement signed under coercion is legally binding.
That might be true (although the popular perception of coercion and the legal definition aren't always the same) but the only way to prove he was coerced is to reveal that he shot EJ and Nick blackmailed him. That's not exactly a good scenario.
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Feb 27 2013, 11:52 AM
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Feb 27 2013, 11:39 AM
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Feb 27 2013, 11:36 AM
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Feb 27 2013, 10:06 AM
Will could sign away his rights but it will not matter because a person has so many months(I thinking three months) after the baby is baby to change their mind.Like when a baby is put up for adoption by its parents after the baby is born even if the baby is adopt,the bio parents have a few months to change their minds.
Will signing away his rights means nothing mainly because he has proof that he was blackmailed into doing it. No agreement signed under coercion is legally binding.
That might be true (although the popular perception of coercion and the legal definition aren't always the same) but the only way to prove he was coerced is to reveal that he shot EJ and Nick blackmailed him. That's not exactly a good scenario.
Well, there might be a way that Will, EJ and Lucas an get their legal ducks in a row and do just that. PLUS, Sonny is a witness to Nick's blackmail threat. There HAS to be a way to have Will confess and NOT get thrown into jail. He was a minor, he was coerced into not turning himself in by a parent and the man he shot has NO desire to press charges. There are SO many extenuating circumstances that at the minimum, he could just get probation and only be forced to stay in Salem.

Sure, there are extenuating circumstances. Attempted murder can get you up to life in prison. I'm sure the extenuating circumstances in Will's case could get him down to 2 years or so (about half of what Nick served for murdering a scumbag while addicted to pain pills).

I continue to find it hilarious that Nick murdering Trent is the most heinous crime anyone has ever committed, but Will shooting EJ is no worse than jaywalking.
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Feb 27 2013, 12:03 PM
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Feb 27 2013, 11:39 AM
Angelsmile
Feb 27 2013, 11:36 AM
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Feb 27 2013, 10:06 AM
Will could sign away his rights but it will not matter because a person has so many months(I thinking three months) after the baby is baby to change their mind.Like when a baby is put up for adoption by its parents after the baby is born even if the baby is adopt,the bio parents have a few months to change their minds.
Will signing away his rights means nothing mainly because he has proof that he was blackmailed into doing it. No agreement signed under coercion is legally binding.
That might be true (although the popular perception of coercion and the legal definition aren't always the same) but the only way to prove he was coerced is to reveal that he shot EJ and Nick blackmailed him. That's not exactly a good scenario.
Actually, according to contract law blackmail is coercion. Sonny's presence is proof. As far as Will having to reveal what he did that is not necessarily true. Legally admitting what he was blackmailed with is not an admission of guilt. He could claim the recording is a fake, but he feared it would be believed. With everyone else involved willing to and having already kept silence to protect Will that would not be a hard sell. In any case, my point was that the papers are not legally binding in the first place because of the circumstances under which they were signed. I doubt this will even be the way they choose to reverse Will's signing of the papers so it really doesn't matter.
Yes, blackmail is coercsion. But there is a bit of a fine line when you are talking about a criminal act as opposed to something that is simply embarassing. And sure, Will could claim that Nick's claims are untrue, but given the tape that Nick has and the number of people that know, it's not that easy. And my point is that the papers are legally binding unless Will steps up and says he was blackmailed.
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Feb 27 2013, 11:58 AM
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Feb 27 2013, 11:39 AM

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Well, there might be a way that Will, EJ and Lucas an get their legal ducks in a row and do just that. PLUS, Sonny is a witness to Nick's blackmail threat. There HAS to be a way to have Will confess and NOT get thrown into jail. He was a minor, he was coerced into not turning himself in by a parent and the man he shot has NO desire to press charges. There are SO many extenuating circumstances that at the minimum, he could just get probation and only be forced to stay in Salem.

Sure, there are extenuating circumstances. Attempted murder can get you up to life in prison. I'm sure the extenuating circumstances in Will's case could get him down to 2 years or so (about half of what Nick served for murdering a scumbag while addicted to pain pills).

I continue to find it hilarious that Nick murdering Trent is the most heinous crime anyone has ever committed, but Will shooting EJ is no worse than jaywalking.
Well, I wasn't watching when this Nick stuff happened. So my point of view is based on what I'm seeing of him now. And I not only see a homophope, I see a seriously unbalanced individual who CLEARLY hasn't worked out the issues that lead him to becoming 1) an addict 2) a creepy obessed stalker 3) a murderer.

And the fact that he's trying to convince himself and everyone that marrying Gabi and raising the baby will just "erase" all of his problems and his personal history, sends up BIG HONKIN' RED FLAGS and warning light to anyone with a brain.

So, yeah, I'm inclined to give Will more of a pass. He was a KID and he was instructed by his PARENTS to do the wrong thing. And hasn't he kept his nose clean since?
I don't disagree with the assessment of who Nick is now, but I was referring to the multitude of opinions about how Nick is unfit because he's a convicted murderer and/or that Will is so much better than Nick because he only attempted to murder somebody.

As for Will, has he really kept his nose clean? He was working for EJ and willingly doing illegal things (including helping to rig an election). He's been on the good side of things since then, but it's not like shooting EJ was Will's only crime.

And, to be clear, I don't think Nick is a good guy. And if it were just about Will, I'd totally be on Will's side. But Nick compared to EJ and Sami is pretty much an equal match of creepy, criminal, obessesive behavior.
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Feb 27 2013, 12:32 PM
Maybe the legal eagles can weigh in but I would suspect that Nick's ILLEGALLY obtained tape would be inadmissable in a court of law. He was stupid enough to not only to have a witness to his blackmail, the witness is the son of a lawyer. And I think a few have already stated that even if Will signs the papers, there is a waiting period of several months before the severing of parental rights can become finalized.

So, Nick the "genius" hasn't thought this whole thing through. Let alone the personal ramifications of pulling such a stunt. Will's 180 won't go unnoticed and will raise even more questions and problems for Nick. I mean does he HONESTLY think that people like Sami, EJ, Lucas, Sonny, Kate, Marlena are just going to roll over? Does he REALLY think people like Rafe, Gabi, Hope and Jennifer are not going to ask questions?

Will may be acting like a pussy right now. But Nick is acting like an egotistical moron who's building a house of cards that are guaranteed to fall all over him.
No. Illegally obtained evidence is only inadmissible if the government acted illegally in obtaining it. If Nick mailed the tape to the cops and they arrested Will on the basis of the tape, that tape is totally admissible.

Plus, you're assuming that the laws of real life apply in Salem which, of course, they don't. Sami blackmailed Lexie into changing medical tests and never served a day in jail for it, despite the fact she admitted the truth after Lexie blabbed. So no, I don't think Nick is overly worried about getting charged with blackmail.

But, I agree, he probably hasn't thought the whole thing through all the way in terms of how people will react. But that's what makes the story fun. And regardless of how many people ask questions, if Will doesn't fess up, there is nothing they can do about it.
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Feb 27 2013, 12:30 PM
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Feb 27 2013, 11:58 AM
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Feb 27 2013, 11:52 AM
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Feb 27 2013, 11:39 AM

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Well, there might be a way that Will, EJ and Lucas an get their legal ducks in a row and do just that. PLUS, Sonny is a witness to Nick's blackmail threat. There HAS to be a way to have Will confess and NOT get thrown into jail. He was a minor, he was coerced into not turning himself in by a parent and the man he shot has NO desire to press charges. There are SO many extenuating circumstances that at the minimum, he could just get probation and only be forced to stay in Salem.

Sure, there are extenuating circumstances. Attempted murder can get you up to life in prison. I'm sure the extenuating circumstances in Will's case could get him down to 2 years or so (about half of what Nick served for murdering a scumbag while addicted to pain pills).

I continue to find it hilarious that Nick murdering Trent is the most heinous crime anyone has ever committed, but Will shooting EJ is no worse than jaywalking.
Nick murdering someone is not the most heinous crime anyone has ever committed. However, a murderer trying to take the legal and moral high ground because he went to jail is ridiculous especially considering he is committing a crime. Also, while the circumstances do not change what Will did, the circumstances do make the difference. Will's age and state of mind are a consideration in mitigating the crime and while kids can be tried as an adult that mostly occurs in heinous murder cases and that is not what this is. Most of the problem with Nick is what he is doing now as opposed to what he has done previously. As for the characters' reaction to Nick's past versus Will's past it make sense when you consider that Nick is incensed that Will has not had to pay for his crimes while at the same time he has taken steps to make sure that Gabi does not have to pay for hers.
Sure, he's a hypocrit. But so is Will for pointing out that Nick is a convicted murderer while not facing the time for his crime. And so is the rest of Team Will in so many ways. There is plenty of hypocricy to go around. My only point is that one side is not better than the other. They all have numerous flaws. And while Will may have fewer, he's going to have to step up and take responsiblity for me to believe that he's somehow more deserving than any of the rest of them.
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Real life laws don't apply in Salem. They never have. So the six months waiting period will exist if the writers want it to, otherwise there will be no such thing.
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Mar 1 2013, 03:46 PM
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Mar 1 2013, 03:40 PM
Real life laws don't apply in Salem. They never have. So the six months waiting period will exist if the writers want it to, otherwise there will be no such thing.
You know it will. The writers need to drag this out at least through the summer. So having Nick get his way this early in the game is pointless.
Well sure, I know it will drag out. But Nick winning early just sets up for him losing late. So no, I don't think the six month thing will apply. Something else will happen.
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Real life laws don't apply in Salem. They never have, they never will. The tape is admissible if the writers want it to be (and, in fact, it's admissible anyway). That's really all the evidence the police need. And if they need any more, the writers will dream it up.
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