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Spoilers for the week of March 18th; *updated 3/11
Topic Started: Mar 6 2013, 02:27 PM (37,945 Views)
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Mar 15 2013, 06:36 PM
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Mar 15 2013, 02:31 PM
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Mar 15 2013, 09:43 AM
Sonny and Nick Fight

Nick tells Gabi that Will gave up his parental rights and basically admits that he pressured him to do so. He justifies this by playing into Gabiís fears of Sami and Sonny.

Nick, later, runs into Sonny and the two exchange heated words and things come to a head when Nick suddenly calls Sonny and gay slur. It pushes Sonny over the edge.

Sonny throws the first punch, knocking Nick over a coffee table. Freddie Smith says Sonny is not only angry with Nick over Will, it brings up painful memories of people who picked on him from being gay.

Nick doesn't retaliate by punching Sonny because heís on probation.

While Sonny and Nickís drama ensues, Gabi meets Will and assures him he will be part of his babyís life and says Nick wouldn't have a problem with it. Will disagrees because Gabi doesn't know what is going on.
TPTB portray Gabore Hernandez as Nick's victim. This is ridiculous. I suppose to feel sorry for her? Does she feel sorry for what she did? No, moron cares only about herself. TPTB can't even give me a one reason, why I have to root for this character. Nothing can redeem her in my eyes. Nothing. I loathe her.

Sonny kicks Nick's homophobic ass. So excited.
Exactly. They want me to feel bad for Gabi? Not going to happen. I'm still holding out hope that once Will finds out what Gabi did to Mel that he finally turns on her. There has to be a reason Sonny hasn't told Will yet. Sonny still holds it against Gabi and doesn't see her as some innocent victim.

Can't wait for Sonny to finally take Nick down. Maybe this will finally encourage Will that he needs to man up and fight for his baby.
Gabi did not intentionally cause the explosion.Gabi is one of the few Salem felons in recent memory who did say she was sorry for what she did and she planned to turn herself in to police for it until she was talked out of it and stopped after Chad signed the agreement to save himself after assaulting Nick.If Gabi was only thinking about herself,she would not question Will about his decision to give up his rights to his daughter or assaure him that he will be part of his baby's life after Nick told her he pressured Will to give up his rights and tried to scare her concerning Sami and Sonny.
Chad would likely be married to Melanie if he had told her what Gabi did as soon as he found out and Gabi would have accepted her punishment.This also would have occured if Chad had been willing to accept the consequences for his actions in assaulting Nick instead of trying to cover his ass.For these reasons I am willing to give Gabi the same "pass" given to Stefano,Kate,Victor,Kristin,Sami,EJ,Will,and Chad to a lesser extent.
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Monday, March 18

Jennifer tells Kristen she thinks Daniel and Chloe slept together, but canít be sure because Chloe denied it.

Kristen urges her friend to fight for Daniel.†

Tuesday, March 19

A livid Brady tells John and Marlena he's through with them, leaving the pair more estranged than ever.

DVR Alert: Brady returns to Kristen and proposes marriage.

Wednesday, March 20

Eric and Hope take Vargas to the pub, where he sees Gabi and finds out she's Nickís wife.

DVR Alert: Nick gives Gabi shocking news regarding Will and the baby.

Thursday, March 21

Chloeís plan to bump into Daniel in San Francisco is derailed when she learns he cancelled his trip.

DVR Alert: Chloe goes to the Horton cabin, where she finds Daniel and Jennifer in the throes of passion.

Friday, March 22

Chloe is devastated by Daniel and Jenniferís reunion until Parker inspires her to come up with a diabolical new plan.

DVR Alert: Nick and Sonny get into a physical fight after Nick calls Sonny a faggot.


http://daysofourlives.about.com/od/2013DaysSpoilers/a/Days-Of-Our-Lives-Spoilers-March-18-To-22.htm


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Mar 15 2013, 09:54 PM
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Mar 15 2013, 06:36 PM
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Mar 15 2013, 02:31 PM
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Mar 15 2013, 09:43 AM
Sonny and Nick Fight

Nick tells Gabi that Will gave up his parental rights and basically admits that he pressured him to do so. He justifies this by playing into Gabiís fears of Sami and Sonny.

Nick, later, runs into Sonny and the two exchange heated words and things come to a head when Nick suddenly calls Sonny and gay slur. It pushes Sonny over the edge.

Sonny throws the first punch, knocking Nick over a coffee table. Freddie Smith says Sonny is not only angry with Nick over Will, it brings up painful memories of people who picked on him from being gay.

Nick doesn't retaliate by punching Sonny because heís on probation.

While Sonny and Nickís drama ensues, Gabi meets Will and assures him he will be part of his babyís life and says Nick wouldn't have a problem with it. Will disagrees because Gabi doesn't know what is going on.
TPTB portray Gabore Hernandez as Nick's victim. This is ridiculous. I suppose to feel sorry for her? Does she feel sorry for what she did? No, moron cares only about herself. TPTB can't even give me a one reason, why I have to root for this character. Nothing can redeem her in my eyes. Nothing. I loathe her.

Sonny kicks Nick's homophobic ass. So excited.
Exactly. They want me to feel bad for Gabi? Not going to happen. I'm still holding out hope that once Will finds out what Gabi did to Mel that he finally turns on her. There has to be a reason Sonny hasn't told Will yet. Sonny still holds it against Gabi and doesn't see her as some innocent victim.

Can't wait for Sonny to finally take Nick down. Maybe this will finally encourage Will that he needs to man up and fight for his baby.
Gabi did not intentionally cause the explosion.Gabi is one of the few Salem felons in recent memory who did say she was sorry for what she did and she planned to turn herself in to police for it until she was talked out of it and stopped after Chad signed the agreement to save himself after assaulting Nick.If Gabi was only thinking about herself,she would not question Will about his decision to give up his rights to his daughter or assaure him that he will be part of his baby's life after Nick told her he pressured Will to give up his rights and tried to scare her concerning Sami and Sonny.
Chad would likely be married to Melanie if he had told her what Gabi did as soon as he found out and Gabi would have accepted her punishment.This also would have occured if Chad had been willing to accept the consequences for his actions in assaulting Nick instead of trying to cover his ass.For these reasons I am willing to give Gabi the same "pass" given to Stefano,Kate,Victor,Kristin,Sami,EJ,Will,and Chad to a lesser extent.
Gabi intentionally left Melanie to rot in Andrew's prison because she was too cowardly to turn herself in and explain herself, and that was when she had actually only done shady but not illegal things. When she left Melanie, her supposed friend, to be likely assaulted, raped or even killed, she showed what was at the core of her character.

Also, Will has repeated expressed remorse for shooting EJ and repeatedly said he should have taken responsibility. There's also a long list of Salemites who have shown remorse for their actions, not the least of which is Nicole who has been shown doing penance (sexily I might add).
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WTF with this Dannifer overkill each week? I don't care if they do have fans somewhere out there, give the rest of us a freaking break already. :soapbox:
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IMO, Dannifer is the weakest element of the show. They bore me senseless and I can`t drum up anything for them. I do despise them though for taking up the bulk of airtime during the week. It`s just TOO much of them and my FFWD button is getting some super play. I don`t get it either. Its not like dannifer`s getting overwhelming support to get this intense focus. Or maybe I`m not visiting the right boards or something. I love nadia but if her departure is what it takes to end dannifer`s reign of viewing terror i am all for it.
Plus i think they still view Jenn as their little golden girl and want her to be in this huge pairing. But dannifer just doesn`t cut it. And jenn`s taken a nosedive because of the botched up jack/jenn story.
Anyways, i vote for less, less, and less dannifer.
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.

As much as I think the show has been greatly improved since the first of the year the Dannifer overload is threatening to undermine that. Just about every other story has had great balance...I don't understand why this story is the exception.
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OMG...are we seriously going to get a full fucking week of Dannifer? Even if they aren't actually on Friday..it sounds like Chloe is going to be on and focusing on them. WTF!! Why are they insisting on pushing this lame-ass couple? It sucks because I usually try to watch live so I can't FF their scenes. UGH. Who are the geniuses that thought they would be a good idea a second time around?
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Mar 16 2013, 09:44 AM
As much as I think the show has been greatly improved since the first of the year the Dannifer overload is threatening to undermine that. Just about every other story has had great balance...I don't understand why this story is the exception.
In theory, Fetch would be a great storyline. In theory that is. It's just unfortunate for us they built this around a couple most people don't care about, and in many cases out and out despise. This storyline (when we already know the likely ending) doesn't work when we're all rooting for the interloper to win and we know she's going to lose. If they had found a couple we wanted together, this storyline would be pretty great, imho.
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Mar 16 2013, 11:12 AM
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Mar 16 2013, 09:44 AM
As much as I think the show has been greatly improved since the first of the year the Dannifer overload is threatening to undermine that. Just about every other story has had great balance...I don't understand why this story is the exception.
In theory, Fetch would be a great storyline. In theory that is. It's just unfortunate for us they built this around a couple most people don't care about, and in many cases out and out despise. This storyline (when we already know the likely ending) doesn't work when we're all rooting for the interloper to win and we know she's going to lose. If they had found a couple we wanted together, this storyline would be pretty great, imho.
They blew the theory all to hell because it doesn't fit the personalities, Chloe in particular. It doesn't fit the past history of Jack and Jen and her apparent ease and crappy treatment of Jack. It doesn't fit the sleezy persona of Neon Penis. The timing was all wrong. It WOULDA, coulda made a great story with better build-up of both the plot and the characters. But, alas, when Days plays Musical Writers........
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3/18, Kristen urges Jennifer to fight for Daniel; Cameron gets a mysterious phone call; Chloe continues to mislead Daniel about what Jennifer knows; Marlena presses John to tell her whether he has truly accepted Kristen and Brady as a couple.

3/19, Daniel and Jennifer have a huge misunderstanding and end up in a terrible argument; Brady tells John and Marlena that he is through with both of them; Abigail prevents Anne from discovering Cameron conducting shady business with a mysterious man.

3/20, Daniel sets out to clear things up with Jennifer; John pleads with Brady to give him another chance; Nick gives Gabi shocking news regarding Will and the baby; Nicole finds herself attracted to Vargas.

3/21, Sami urges Will to use Stefano's help against Nick; Nicole is shocked to learn Vargas is an ex-con; Chloe discovers that Daniel canceled his trip; Gabi questions Nick, who justifies his use of blackmail.

3/22, Chloe comes up with a diabolical new plan; Nick and Sonny get into a physical altercation; Kristen stuns Sami and EJ with her news; Will tells Gabi that she doesn't really know her own husband.
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Mar 16 2013, 11:57 AM
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Mar 16 2013, 09:44 AM
As much as I think the show has been greatly improved since the first of the year the Dannifer overload is threatening to undermine that. Just about every other story has had great balance...I don't understand why this story is the exception.
In theory, Fetch would be a great storyline. In theory that is. It's just unfortunate for us they built this around a couple most people don't care about, and in many cases out and out despise. This storyline (when we already know the likely ending) doesn't work when we're all rooting for the interloper to win and we know she's going to lose. If they had found a couple we wanted together, this storyline would be pretty great, imho.
They blew the theory all to hell because it doesn't fit the personalities, Chloe in particular. It doesn't fit the past history of Jack and Jen and her apparent ease and crappy treatment of Jack. It doesn't fit the sleezy persona of Neon Penis. The timing was all wrong. It WOULDA, coulda made a great story with better build-up of both the plot and the characters. But, alas, when Days plays Musical Writers........
The harder TIIC push Fetch, the worse it gets and the more the audience gags. This is force-feeding at its worst, and a textbook example of everything that can go wrong when characters are twisted and distorted to fit into a preconceived, prefabricated storyline, rather than letting the storyline grow organically out of the characters, who they are at the core, and who the audience recognizes them to be. And the four months ahead taping schedule ensures that relief isn't coming any time soon . . . if it ever does, because T&W's insistence on Fetch triumphing feels more and more like a purely ego-driven move. They didn't get their way about Safe, so they're hellbent on getting it about this couple, who are much, much worse, even if it means killing off or otherwise destroying characters who are far more loved and important to the show's history than their anointed Golden Boy, Daniel.
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I guess I'm trying to come up with a way this Chloe/Dannifer storyline could have been great even in theory. I just don't see it. Even if we reduce it to its generic essence -- a man learns that he's really the father of a child from a previous marriage just as he's moved on with someone else -- it's been done so many times in soaps before that it's not "great" imo, but rather tiresome and cliche.

The Hope/Bo/Billy/Chelsea version was certainly better than this time around, but the very notion is a little seedy and Maury Povich-esque, if you ask me. Still, with Bo & Co, there were times when we could actually feel sympathy and affinity for the various players involved, but here, not a chance. (Yes, Parker's cute and all, but if he left Salem tomorrow, I wouldn't be heartbroken.)

I guess my point is that even if we remove these awful and awfully rendered characters from this story, it still wouldn't be all that great with these writers at the helm. There are no real stakes, no real promise for character growth, no significant changes at hand for any of the key players. It's just blah. Filler. It would be boring and cliche no matter what, but with these incredibly weak and dumb-downed characters at its core, it's downright painful to watch.

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Mar 15 2013, 05:38 AM
AND....to give Nick "an out", I think he was raped by a man in jail. It's no excuse, and still needs to get the living shit beat out of him, but knowing this show, and it's need to give a reason for everyone's motives and actions (ESPECIALLY If you are a Horton or a Brady), I think they will go there.
I agree. I never understood this line of thinking that Nick must have been raped in prison to be homophobic. Its basically blaming a gay person for Nick being the way he is. I don't care if he was rape by a hundred guys it doesn't excuse or explain his behavior.

And since there hasn't been a Horton treated well on this show in years, I doubt being a Horton will have any sway on this show.
Bingo. I think they are hinting that Nick was raped in jail, but that would be awful and lazy writing, implying that homophobia comes about for good reason. It doesn't. There are plenty of homophobes who would cheer Nick on who haven't been raped by a gay person.
Extremely lazy, predictable and troublesome writing. This was just done on GH with Michael being raped in prison. And I'd hate for them to show that a person has to be raped in prison to be homophobic. If that's the case I would have rather seen Lucas stay the homophobic one to show homophobia just happens because of a person's beliefs and not based on a horror that happened their life. Why do such a tasteful gay story and then show that guys like to rape other guys? It just defeats the purpose of the the gay story they spent over a year to tell IMO. I am again trying to hold out hope there might be actual shock value to Nick's time in prison. I think Blake is a fab actor but hate the idea of Nick being raped. At least do something different like Nick feeling lost and willingly experimenting in prison or doing what he needed to do to get out of prison.
I don't know. It's not unheard of that, when a woman is raped by a man, she might fear or loathe men in general afterward. Maybe it's different and it doesn't excuse homophobia, of course - but I could see how a man having been raped in prison might transfer the fear and pain that it brought onto homosexuals. It's a difficult thing when an act of love is used as an act of violence. That's the necessary distinction that a victim has to make and it can be difficult to see through the prism of your own experience. The victim needs to recognize that the act perpetrated on them wasn't motivated by desire or love but by anger and a desire to control and/or to inflict pain. And that it has nothing to do with sex at all.

I'd find it a lot easier to understand Nick's point of view if it arose from something that happened to him - rather than it coming from religious or otherwise cultural disapproval. It also, I think, makes it more likely he might be redeemed one day as his redemption might come from the resolution of his own internal conflict. It may be an easier story to tell but I think it's more inherently dramatic. I can't imagine any soap trying to take on converting people's views on this subject if those views arise from religious conviction - at least not these days. It's been my experience that when those views arise that way, you will never convince the person otherwise even if they "have lots of friends who are gay". So, having Nick's views be based on something that happened to him has a better shot at a realistic and dramatic resolution.

In a lot of ways, I don't think Sonny's any more in the right for assaulting Nick than Nick is for his homophobic slur. I like the "Love is Louder" campaign specifically because it takes a higher road. We'll never begin to convince a homophobic person that they're wrong by beating the snot out of them. The best you can do by meeting hate with hate is to, maybe, drive it underground. You can't kill hate with hate. You can only kill it with time, understanding and love.

'Course if it were me and someone called me a really awful name, I might lash out too.
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Mar 16 2013, 01:10 PM
I guess I'm trying to come up with a way this Chloe/Dannifer storyline could have been great even in theory. I just don't see it. Even if we reduce it to its generic essence -- a man learns that he's really the father of a child from a previous marriage just as he's moved on with someone else -- it's been done so many times in soaps before that it's not "great" imo, but rather tiresome and cliche.

The Hope/Bo/Billy/Chelsea version was certainly better than this time around, but the very notion is a little seedy and Maury Povich-esque, if you ask me. Still, with Bo & Co, there were times when we could actually feel sympathy and affinity for the various players involved, but here, not a chance. (Yes, Parker's cute and all, but if he left Salem tomorrow, I wouldn't be heartbroken.)

I guess my point is that even if we remove these awful and awfully rendered characters from this story, it still wouldn't be all that great with these writers at the helm. There are no real stakes, no real promise for character growth, no significant changes at hand for any of the key players. It's just blah. Filler. It would be boring and cliche no matter what, but with these incredibly weak and dumb-downed characters at its core, it's downright painful to watch.

I am having trouble thinking of how it could have been better - basically I just hate Fetch fullstop. It MIGHT have been a better story if Dan had been shown to actually do some soul searching about his past treatment of Chloe and express regret for throwing her and Parker out. He should have expressed some guilt, especially after finding out that Parker was his child. It would also have been infinitely better if Chloe had been in true character and he had found himself still attracted to Chloe (even if no longer in love with her). Having Chloe back as an "evil witch" was just as dumb as having Jennifer not mourn Jack so as usual the women look bad while Dr Glow dithers around looking confused and blameless. Also knowing that Fetch are still together in July does nothing to inspire me to watch.
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I must say that Dannifer is the show's weakest link right now and it's purely idiotic to give them so much screen time this is not entertaining in any way at all. There is nothing interesting, there are two boring characters which they sell as a lovstory with Chloe as interloper, hmm where are the interesting and exciting in it?
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Bingo. I think they are hinting that Nick was raped in jail, but that would be awful and lazy writing, implying that homophobia comes about for good reason. It doesn't. There are plenty of homophobes who would cheer Nick on who haven't been raped by a gay person.
Extremely lazy, predictable and troublesome writing. This was just done on GH with Michael being raped in prison. And I'd hate for them to show that a person has to be raped in prison to be homophobic. If that's the case I would have rather seen Lucas stay the homophobic one to show homophobia just happens because of a person's beliefs and not based on a horror that happened their life. Why do such a tasteful gay story and then show that guys like to rape other guys? It just defeats the purpose of the the gay story they spent over a year to tell IMO. I am again trying to hold out hope there might be actual shock value to Nick's time in prison. I think Blake is a fab actor but hate the idea of Nick being raped. At least do something different like Nick feeling lost and willingly experimenting in prison or doing what he needed to do to get out of prison.
I don't know. It's not unheard of that, when a woman is raped by a man, she might fear or loathe men in general afterward. Maybe it's different and it doesn't excuse homophobia, of course - but I could see how a man having been raped in prison might transfer the fear and pain that it brought onto homosexuals. It's a difficult thing when an act of love is used as an act of violence. That's the necessary distinction that a victim has to make and it can be difficult to see through the prism of your own experience. The victim needs to recognize that the act perpetrated on them wasn't motivated by desire or love but by anger and a desire to control and/or to inflict pain. And that it has nothing to do with sex at all.

I'd find it a lot easier to understand Nick's point of view if it arose from something that happened to him - rather than it coming from religious or otherwise cultural disapproval. It also, I think, makes it more likely he might be redeemed one day as his redemption might come from the resolution of his own internal conflict. It may be an easier story to tell but I think it's more inherently dramatic. I can't imagine any soap trying to take on converting people's views on this subject if those views arise from religious conviction - at least not these days. It's been my experience that when those views arise that way, you will never convince the person otherwise even if they "have lots of friends who are gay". So, having Nick's views be based on something that happened to him has a better shot at a realistic and dramatic resolution.

In a lot of ways, I don't think Sonny's any more in the right for assaulting Nick than Nick is for his homophobic slur. I like the "Love is Louder" campaign specifically because it takes a higher road. We'll never begin to convince a homophobic person that they're wrong by beating the snot out of them. The best you can do by meeting hate with hate is to, maybe, drive it underground. You can't kill hate with hate. You can only kill it with time, understanding and love.

'Course if it were me and someone called me a really awful name, I might lash out too.
I hear what you are saying.

But most people that are homophobic just are but not because they were raped. They are homophobic more out of fear, religion, personal beliefs or being uneducated. For me, I think it would be nice to see homophobia portrayed that way vs. a person needing to be raped to be homophobic since in reality that isn't what stems most homophobia. That's all I was trying to say.

But since I love Blake I am sure I will love it no matter what happens.
Edited by michr544125, Mar 16 2013, 07:00 PM.
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I must say that Dannifer is the show's weakest link right now and it's purely idiotic to give them so much screen time this is not entertaining in any way at all. There is nothing interesting, there are two boring characters which they sell as a lovstory with Chloe as interloper, hmm where are the interesting and exciting in it?
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I am READY!!

That's WAY too much Dannifer for my taste. I thought the show was going for a 3 day rule with these s/ls? Boo. Chloe needs to give it up. that's the only thing I'm concerned about. Dannifer isn't worth my time. I don't want to see a bombshell like Chloe waste her time on an idiot like Daniel if he would rather be with a plain jane like Jennifer. She could do better, WAY better... like Phillip.
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My guess is that we'll see Dannifer pretty heavily over the next couple of weeks because they're wrapping up part of it.
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