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Spoilers for the week of May 20th; *updated 5/13*
Topic Started: May 8 2013, 12:10 AM (37,963 Views)
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May 9 2013, 06:44 AM
No way am I giving up on J&M either. Shitty writing isn't going to make me give up, and I'm watching the '92 storyline - Isabella just died in John's arms...next up? The Pit. Where it all began. Well, continued. J&M should be the foundation couple of Salem right now - the couple the others who are struggling - look to for advice on relationships, marriage and how to get out of a giant frickin birdcage under the streets of Paris. You know, the usual daily BS.

I do hope you're right, Daysfanatic79 - these writers need to be replaced & if they could find someone with the ability to take the next 3 months of canned bullshit they have & throw it in the ditch then torch it, so much the better. I just hope that since Tomlin's one-year is going to be up fairly soon, Corday starts shopping now & doesn't wait till the last minute to find some schlep. He needs someone who knows the history of the show, the characters & the storylines that made this show what it once was. I'd also say that they'd be well-advised to ask the vets what they'd like to see happen to/with/for their characters & let the actors & actresses give some direction to the future of the show. It'd be cool to have Deidre & Drake actually write John & Marlenas next set of wedding vows - put them in character & let them just talk from their hearts. No rehearsals together either - just let it flow & let the emotion spill onto the screen. It could be amazing! Just my never-to-be-humble opinion, of course.
Under the current regime.....a renewal of vows seems impossible. However, this regime will go.

I do see a vow renewal in the future, and look forward to it. Until then, and until Kristen is truly Kristen again, the over-the-top villain we love to hate, I'll watch this show hit and miss at best.

Roman and Marlena....HUGE fans of them in the 80's when Wayne was younger and Stefano wasn't some cartoon villain. Now, seeing JT and DH together makes me puke.
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May 9 2013, 12:03 AM
Honestly maybe its a good thing to give John and Marlena some indendence for a while. I could see them using Marlena. John not so much though.
I'm assuming you meant to say independence, and I just have to mention that what I loved most about J&M was that they had their independence even when together.
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Abigail finds JJ hanging out with the wrong crowd.


This combined with the previous spoiler that JJ destroys something of Daniel's makes me wonder...

Several of us have speculated that Daniel will win over JJ by performing life-saving surgery on him or a loved one. But what if the opposite happens? What if, in the process of trying to make trouble for Daniel, JJ does something that gets Parker injured or killed? Maybe that's why Chloe makes a brief return? :shrug:

It would not only create tremendous angst for the all-important Dannifer pairing, but it would send JJ on a path similar to that of his father when he becomes ostracized by everyone for his actions.

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May 9 2013, 06:58 AM
lazydazes
May 9 2013, 06:06 AM
Keep running Rafe. Sami isn`t worth the time of day.
Practice your sprints...run a marathon if you have to...just keep going as fast as you can, Rafe.
Man, no kidding! Hopefully that whack on the head enlightens him to what a neverending unfaithful bitch Sami is and any future with her would be total insanity! Kudos to Lucas for having learned his Sami 101 lesson, and having the guts & determination to keep his distance from The Toxic One. At times, I almost....almost feel a teensy bit sorry for EJ, such a schmuck. I knew that the Rafester's dancing for dollars stripshow would wake up Blondie's interest! :dance: :licklips: :whistling:
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May 8 2013, 08:11 AM
Sounds like some State angst.
I'm all for Stefano putting in some effort to win back his Katerina. Kate and Stefano are great power players together and I'd like to see them join up to put Ej back in his place now that he is out to get his father and has stolen Nick's info on Kate's new line! Rafe and Kate are completely wrong together long term and frankly have run their course. Rafe can just stay in his comatose state until she realizes it's Stefano she really wants because I certainly don't want to have another repeat of Kate going cuckoo like she did with Daniel. I want powerful Kate back, not a love sick weepy, over the wrong man, Kate.



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May 8 2013, 06:24 PM
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May 8 2013, 06:13 PM
If John actually sleeps with Kritter, I don't want Marlena to touch him again.
I can't really blame John...I blame Tomlin and his complete out of character writing for John and Marlena. His goal has been to ruin them and get that reaction from their fans. Job well done.
How many Viagra's does John have to pop to sleep with Kristen? How foolish.
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May 8 2013, 11:36 PM
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May 8 2013, 11:13 PM
Tuesday ("Sami and Kate's Fight")
Sami and Kate have a huge altercation about Kate's involvement with Rafe; Abigail finds JJ hanging out with the wrong crowd.

Cannot wait to hear what Sami and Kate say during their fight.There is usually amusing give and take when these two fight.Hope they don't disappoint.Also interested to see who is in what Abby considers to be "the wrong crowd".
That's what happens when you dump your kid in boarding school when he is an embryo. May Jennifer live with the pain of the monster that she created for all the days of her lives. :flipoff:
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May 9 2013, 07:23 AM
No1_ILoveLucyFan
May 9 2013, 06:44 AM
No way am I giving up on J&M either. Shitty writing isn't going to make me give up, and I'm watching the '92 storyline - Isabella just died in John's arms...next up? The Pit. Where it all began. Well, continued. J&M should be the foundation couple of Salem right now - the couple the others who are struggling - look to for advice on relationships, marriage and how to get out of a giant frickin birdcage under the streets of Paris. You know, the usual daily BS.

I do hope you're right, Daysfanatic79 - these writers need to be replaced & if they could find someone with the ability to take the next 3 months of canned bullshit they have & throw it in the ditch then torch it, so much the better. I just hope that since Tomlin's one-year is going to be up fairly soon, Corday starts shopping now & doesn't wait till the last minute to find some schlep. He needs someone who knows the history of the show, the characters & the storylines that made this show what it once was. I'd also say that they'd be well-advised to ask the vets what they'd like to see happen to/with/for their characters & let the actors & actresses give some direction to the future of the show. It'd be cool to have Deidre & Drake actually write John & Marlenas next set of wedding vows - put them in character & let them just talk from their hearts. No rehearsals together either - just let it flow & let the emotion spill onto the screen. It could be amazing! Just my never-to-be-humble opinion, of course.
Under the current regime.....a renewal of vows seems impossible. However, this regime will go.

I do see a vow renewal in the future, and look forward to it. Until then, and until Kristen is truly Kristen again, the over-the-top villain we love to hate, I'll watch this show hit and miss at best.

Roman and Marlena....HUGE fans of them in the 80's when Wayne was younger and Stefano wasn't some cartoon villain. Now, seeing JT and DH together makes me puke.
Maybe it is time to let Roman have a go at the woman he has always loved, I'd like to see Marlena and Roman get back together. roman would flip his wig. Literally. F### John and his one raised eyebrow.
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May 9 2013, 09:53 AM
Daysfanatic79
May 9 2013, 07:23 AM
No1_ILoveLucyFan
May 9 2013, 06:44 AM
No way am I giving up on J&M either. Shitty writing isn't going to make me give up, and I'm watching the '92 storyline - Isabella just died in John's arms...next up? The Pit. Where it all began. Well, continued. J&M should be the foundation couple of Salem right now - the couple the others who are struggling - look to for advice on relationships, marriage and how to get out of a giant frickin birdcage under the streets of Paris. You know, the usual daily BS.

I do hope you're right, Daysfanatic79 - these writers need to be replaced & if they could find someone with the ability to take the next 3 months of canned bullshit they have & throw it in the ditch then torch it, so much the better. I just hope that since Tomlin's one-year is going to be up fairly soon, Corday starts shopping now & doesn't wait till the last minute to find some schlep. He needs someone who knows the history of the show, the characters & the storylines that made this show what it once was. I'd also say that they'd be well-advised to ask the vets what they'd like to see happen to/with/for their characters & let the actors & actresses give some direction to the future of the show. It'd be cool to have Deidre & Drake actually write John & Marlenas next set of wedding vows - put them in character & let them just talk from their hearts. No rehearsals together either - just let it flow & let the emotion spill onto the screen. It could be amazing! Just my never-to-be-humble opinion, of course.
Under the current regime.....a renewal of vows seems impossible. However, this regime will go.

I do see a vow renewal in the future, and look forward to it. Until then, and until Kristen is truly Kristen again, the over-the-top villain we love to hate, I'll watch this show hit and miss at best.

Roman and Marlena....HUGE fans of them in the 80's when Wayne was younger and Stefano wasn't some cartoon villain. Now, seeing JT and DH together makes me puke.
Maybe it is time to let Roman have a go at the woman he has always loved, I'd like to see Marlena and Roman get back together. roman would flip his wig. Literally. F### John and his one raised eyebrow.
I mean...you could just watch 2004 and 2005...
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Will life in the balance I hope Sonny is the one to make him wake up. I hope we get some good WilSon scenes and little AG.
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Daysfanatic79
May 9 2013, 06:28 AM
Ireland98
May 8 2013, 08:26 PM
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May 8 2013, 07:25 PM
I've pretty much resigned myself to the fact that Tomlin hates John and Marlena and wants them destroyed. He wants John acting in such a manner that John and Marlena fans will give up on the pairing. There's a reason why Roman had been hanging around so much while John has been wildly out of character. They want fans hating John. But nope. I refuse to give them the satisfaction of rooting for Marlena to dump him. Why? Because that's what they want to happen.
Tomlin hates John, Marlena, and Lucas, which is why we've seen bad writing for them. He wrote them off under his previous regime and probably wants to do it again. Instead of writing for vets or doing in character writing, Tomlin does plot point writing. (No wonder Peter R jumped ship when Tomlin returned!) John is unrecognizable. Lucas suddenly became homophobic as angst for WilSon last Fall and was also used as angst for Dannifer.
Other examples of character changes for story purposes: Chad turning psycho and then after the wedding reveal, he changed back to normal Chad. Nick returned homophobic and I assume after the birth of Arianna, we'll see Nick change back to normal Nick. Gabi was supportive of Will giving up his rights last Fall, but now she's all about Will being involved in his baby's life. Will being passive & okay w/ giving up his baby, but now fighting? EJ going to Justin for help with taking down Stefano. Nicole working as a secretary for a Church. Abigail as a virgin.
TomSell write the stories and change characters' personalities to fit the story. Not for all characters, but it's been noticeable for quite a few.
Tomlin also keeps introducing new characters and bringing in his own actors.
But anyways, yes I agree that Tomlin is writing John out of character and like a jerk on purpose.
It's been official, but it's time for me to just say it.....Tomlin is a hack. We all know it. He's just getting by on a couple of presentable stories at this point.

MarDar were boring.....Higley was a hack.....and could go back forever but this show hasn't had a really good writer in over a decade so why can anyone be surprised.

Reckell may have jumped ship over them. Remember, Lisa Rinna was on canvas then. He probably would rather leave than get the backlash of that merry-go-round again. It's just as out of character to leave him out of town, and keep his family dangling in the balance...Kill him off and give him a good Days funeral. It would make for greater shock value if he ever decides to return.

As for John and Marlena......sigh. Of ALL the people John could EVER bed, this is the one most unforgivable. Will they reunite? Inevitably, but hopefully not quickly.

AND FOR YOU TOMLIN: I have watched this show for DECADES and one thing I know is Corday, for all his faults, he gets trigger happy when jealous. GH is getting the acclaim right now and is beating Days in the ratings. Corday won't stand by forever without some sort of press, and the first people he fires.....the writers. It happens time and time again..
You know what. I am so sick of all of the Tomlin hate. I swear people give him WAY TOO MUCH power. Tomlin CAN NOT do anything without the approval of Corday/NBC/Sony. Yes, Tomlin wrote off John/Marlena. He had no choice cuz it was CORDAY and Co. that fired them. Now, I dont care one way or the other about who gets fired/hired or who gets too much screentime or whatever the hell people always complain about. Mainly, because I have no character affiliation with this show. If John/Marlena/Lucas were to leave right now, I wouldn't mind. I happen to like the current incarnation of this show.

Could it be better? YES

Is it as good as the 80s/90s? NO

But, I still enjoy it and WILL NOT stop watching just because my so-called favorites are not written to my liking.
This isn't Burger King. You cant always have it your way. DAYS is a business. Tomlin works for NBC/Corday and if they tell him to create angst for John/Marlena, then that's what he's gonna do.
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Frankly we are allowed to say whatever the hell we want. Is it a coincidence that the same things that happened in 2009 when he was EP are happening again? I don't think so.

Hey that's fine, last time I checked I don't need Days to survive, but they need every fan they can get...
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May 9 2013, 10:26 AM
Daysfanatic79
May 9 2013, 06:28 AM
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May 8 2013, 08:26 PM
AFaithL
May 8 2013, 07:25 PM
I've pretty much resigned myself to the fact that Tomlin hates John and Marlena and wants them destroyed. He wants John acting in such a manner that John and Marlena fans will give up on the pairing. There's a reason why Roman had been hanging around so much while John has been wildly out of character. They want fans hating John. But nope. I refuse to give them the satisfaction of rooting for Marlena to dump him. Why? Because that's what they want to happen.
Tomlin hates John, Marlena, and Lucas, which is why we've seen bad writing for them. He wrote them off under his previous regime and probably wants to do it again. Instead of writing for vets or doing in character writing, Tomlin does plot point writing. (No wonder Peter R jumped ship when Tomlin returned!) John is unrecognizable. Lucas suddenly became homophobic as angst for WilSon last Fall and was also used as angst for Dannifer.
Other examples of character changes for story purposes: Chad turning psycho and then after the wedding reveal, he changed back to normal Chad. Nick returned homophobic and I assume after the birth of Arianna, we'll see Nick change back to normal Nick. Gabi was supportive of Will giving up his rights last Fall, but now she's all about Will being involved in his baby's life. Will being passive & okay w/ giving up his baby, but now fighting? EJ going to Justin for help with taking down Stefano. Nicole working as a secretary for a Church. Abigail as a virgin.
TomSell write the stories and change characters' personalities to fit the story. Not for all characters, but it's been noticeable for quite a few.
Tomlin also keeps introducing new characters and bringing in his own actors.
But anyways, yes I agree that Tomlin is writing John out of character and like a jerk on purpose.
It's been official, but it's time for me to just say it.....Tomlin is a hack. We all know it. He's just getting by on a couple of presentable stories at this point.

MarDar were boring.....Higley was a hack.....and could go back forever but this show hasn't had a really good writer in over a decade so why can anyone be surprised.

Reckell may have jumped ship over them. Remember, Lisa Rinna was on canvas then. He probably would rather leave than get the backlash of that merry-go-round again. It's just as out of character to leave him out of town, and keep his family dangling in the balance...Kill him off and give him a good Days funeral. It would make for greater shock value if he ever decides to return.

As for John and Marlena......sigh. Of ALL the people John could EVER bed, this is the one most unforgivable. Will they reunite? Inevitably, but hopefully not quickly.

AND FOR YOU TOMLIN: I have watched this show for DECADES and one thing I know is Corday, for all his faults, he gets trigger happy when jealous. GH is getting the acclaim right now and is beating Days in the ratings. Corday won't stand by forever without some sort of press, and the first people he fires.....the writers. It happens time and time again..
You know what. I am so sick of all of the Tomlin hate. I swear people give him WAY TOO MUCH power. Tomlin CAN NOT do anything without the approval of Corday/NBC/Sony. Yes, Tomlin wrote off John/Marlena. He had no choice cuz it was CORDAY and Co. that fired them. Now, I dont care one way or the other about who gets fired/hired or who gets too much screentime or whatever the hell people always complain about. Mainly, because I have no character affiliation with this show. If John/Marlena/Lucas were to leave right now, I wouldn't mind. I happen to like the current incarnation of this show.

Could it be better? YES

Is it as good as the 80s/90s? NO

But, I still enjoy it and WILL NOT stop watching just because my so-called favorites are not written to my liking.
This isn't Burger King. You cant always have it your way. DAYS is a business. Tomlin works for NBC/Corday and if they tell him to create angst for John/Marlena, then that's what he's gonna do.
I don't like Tomlin but John and Marlena aren't even close to the top of my list of reasons why.
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May 9 2013, 10:31 AM
Frankly we are allowed to say whatever the hell we want. Is it a coincidence that the same things that happened in 2009 when he was EP are happening again? I don't think so.

Hey that's fine, last time I checked I don't need Days to survive, but they need every fan they can get...
I remember Jarlena fans were threatening never to watch again, but ratings actually went up after they left. I remember that.
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May 9 2013, 10:45 AM
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May 9 2013, 10:26 AM
Daysfanatic79
May 9 2013, 06:28 AM
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May 8 2013, 08:26 PM

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It's been official, but it's time for me to just say it.....Tomlin is a hack. We all know it. He's just getting by on a couple of presentable stories at this point.

MarDar were boring.....Higley was a hack.....and could go back forever but this show hasn't had a really good writer in over a decade so why can anyone be surprised.

Reckell may have jumped ship over them. Remember, Lisa Rinna was on canvas then. He probably would rather leave than get the backlash of that merry-go-round again. It's just as out of character to leave him out of town, and keep his family dangling in the balance...Kill him off and give him a good Days funeral. It would make for greater shock value if he ever decides to return.

As for John and Marlena......sigh. Of ALL the people John could EVER bed, this is the one most unforgivable. Will they reunite? Inevitably, but hopefully not quickly.

AND FOR YOU TOMLIN: I have watched this show for DECADES and one thing I know is Corday, for all his faults, he gets trigger happy when jealous. GH is getting the acclaim right now and is beating Days in the ratings. Corday won't stand by forever without some sort of press, and the first people he fires.....the writers. It happens time and time again..
You know what. I am so sick of all of the Tomlin hate. I swear people give him WAY TOO MUCH power. Tomlin CAN NOT do anything without the approval of Corday/NBC/Sony. Yes, Tomlin wrote off John/Marlena. He had no choice cuz it was CORDAY and Co. that fired them. Now, I dont care one way or the other about who gets fired/hired or who gets too much screentime or whatever the hell people always complain about. Mainly, because I have no character affiliation with this show. If John/Marlena/Lucas were to leave right now, I wouldn't mind. I happen to like the current incarnation of this show.

Could it be better? YES

Is it as good as the 80s/90s? NO

But, I still enjoy it and WILL NOT stop watching just because my so-called favorites are not written to my liking.
This isn't Burger King. You cant always have it your way. DAYS is a business. Tomlin works for NBC/Corday and if they tell him to create angst for John/Marlena, then that's what he's gonna do.
I don't like Tomlin but John and Marlena aren't even close to the top of my list of reasons why.
What are your reasons?
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LuvingLumi
May 9 2013, 10:31 AM
Hey that's fine, last time I checked I don't need Days to survive, but they need every fan they can get...
Unfortunately that's an expectation that is impossible for them to meet. No matter what they write or who they feature there will be some fans that hate it. The best they can hope to do is write a variety of stories that are compelling enough to give fans at least something to tune in for. Personally I'm enjoying DAYS much more now than I have in years - admittedly the biggest reason being that my favorite pairing is together. But throughout the past several years even when I hated what was going on with my faves I usually found a reason to watch. The only time I remember hating every single story, bar none, was the summer between the transition when Higley was fired and MarDar took over. The awful stuff with Chloe the Hooker, that Quinn guy, Taylor, the Fafe crap wrapping up - I hated all of it and am surprised I managed to keep watching - mostly out of habit/routine.

Judging from comments on this board I don't think the show has sunk to those depths by a long shot. In general, people are finding reasons to watch - even if they don't agree on what those reasons are. I'm sure that's not true of everyone but I think at the end of the day TPTB have to focus on hooking a wider audience rather than focusing on each individual fan.
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May 9 2013, 11:35 AM
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May 9 2013, 10:45 AM
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May 9 2013, 10:26 AM
Daysfanatic79
May 9 2013, 06:28 AM

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You know what. I am so sick of all of the Tomlin hate. I swear people give him WAY TOO MUCH power. Tomlin CAN NOT do anything without the approval of Corday/NBC/Sony. Yes, Tomlin wrote off John/Marlena. He had no choice cuz it was CORDAY and Co. that fired them. Now, I dont care one way or the other about who gets fired/hired or who gets too much screentime or whatever the hell people always complain about. Mainly, because I have no character affiliation with this show. If John/Marlena/Lucas were to leave right now, I wouldn't mind. I happen to like the current incarnation of this show.

Could it be better? YES

Is it as good as the 80s/90s? NO

But, I still enjoy it and WILL NOT stop watching just because my so-called favorites are not written to my liking.
This isn't Burger King. You cant always have it your way. DAYS is a business. Tomlin works for NBC/Corday and if they tell him to create angst for John/Marlena, then that's what he's gonna do.
I don't like Tomlin but John and Marlena aren't even close to the top of my list of reasons why.
What are your reasons?
I don't like the way he and Whitesell write characters. IMO, they're very generic and interchangeable.


Please stop talking about fanbases.
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The Kate/Sami scene sounds promising! Always love their interaction. I doubt it has anything to do with Sami and any unresolved feelings for Rafe though. She seems pretty happy with EJ right now.

But for her not to have a reaction to her ex sleeping with her ex-mother-in-law, especially considering part of Rafe's issue with Sami is her 'character' and Kate has often had similar 'short comings' in character, it would be unnatural for Sami to not react at least a little to that news. I hope we get to see Lucas' reaction to Rate considering he has been written to sing Rafe's praises here and there recently out of what seemed like nowhere.
I am sure EJ will just find it all amusing.

As for the JJ spoiler, honestly it is probably just a set up for Dannifer angst and that makes it somewhat unappealing to me. I don't have much of an opinion of him yet other than whatever he gets into and whatever crowd he does it with, I hope it brings enough stress that it breaks Dannifer up permanently.
Edited by Brewster, May 9 2013, 12:08 PM.
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LuvingLumi
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Frankly we are allowed to say whatever the hell we want. Is it a coincidence that the same things that happened in 2009 when he was EP are happening again? I don't think so.

Hey that's fine, last time I checked I don't need Days to survive, but they need every fan they can get...
I remember Jarlena fans were threatening never to watch again, but ratings actually went up after they left. I remember that.
of course it did how many soaps on other networks were cancelled after they left people were looking for something and when they got nothing they left. with the relaunch of amc ,oltl and the revamping gh days can't afford to lose any fans .everything is wrong on this show from wardrobe staging lighting hair makeup horrible writers and too many models not enough actors.underused talent and overexposed actors.no hero or heroines no villians just a bunch of grey I have no moral compass one way or another. no fluidity no stakes.
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May 9 2013, 12:35 PM
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May 9 2013, 11:35 AM
LuvingLumi
May 9 2013, 10:31 AM
Frankly we are allowed to say whatever the hell we want. Is it a coincidence that the same things that happened in 2009 when he was EP are happening again? I don't think so.

Hey that's fine, last time I checked I don't need Days to survive, but they need every fan they can get...
I remember Jarlena fans were threatening never to watch again, but ratings actually went up after they left. I remember that.
of course it did how many soaps on other networks were cancelled after they left people were looking for something and when they got nothing they left. with the relaunch of amc ,oltl and the revamping gh days can't afford to lose any fans .everything is wrong on this show from wardrobe staging lighting hair makeup horrible writers and too many models not enough actors.underused talent and overexposed actors.no hero or heroines no villians just a bunch of grey I have no moral compass one way or another. no fluidity no stakes.

Total BS!! Ratings were going up long before there were any announcements of AMC, ATWT, GL or OLTL being cancelled. You need to try again with that. And it's funny how you say everything on the show is horrible yet they have 17 Daytime Emmy noms. And while you talk about too many models not enough actors, if I'm not mistaken, I believe three of those "models" are Emmy noms this year. #GoFigure
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