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Spoilers for the week of June 17th; *updated 6/10*
Topic Started: Jun 5 2013, 07:44 PM (29,960 Views)
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Oh my goddd....
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I don't mean to go off topic but speaking of love stories we are coming off the 3rd season of Game of Thrones, I have read the books and there's one particular story that fascinates me. Regardless of the author's intention (he is writing a political fantasy after all), there seems to be an underlying current between the character of Jaime and Brienne. IMO it comes across as a love story even if the characters never have sex because sex doesn't define relationships. To me it feels like the only love story of the entire series (as in you are seeing the beginnings of what is possibly a romantic relationship between the two most unlikely people) because it's not dealing with when they get to shag and how much before they can move on to the next and truthfully they may never even get the chance to shag let alone share a kiss but you still feel the love. If two characters truly love one another, no other man/woman should occupy large portions of their hearts and beds causing their partner to be insecure in any way. I have no idea what the writers are trying to achieve with the Bristen/Ericole quad but I do know I don't like it. They are great actors and definitely have a lot of chemistry together but that doesn't mean I enjoy the Bricole redux when i know Nicole loves Eric and Brady loves Kristen. I won't say more on the EJ/Sami?Rafe triangle from hell but they no different, I'd even say that Sami is the worst offender of all these characters seesawing between men with Nicole not far behind. It's just awful and I don't enjoy it one bit.
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TreasureCove
Jun 15 2013, 02:43 PM
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Jun 15 2013, 02:37 PM
I have no illusions about the present format of this show ever changing, but I would love it, if it could become a strong, well told story telling format again.

It will not happen. We live in a reality tv frame of mind at the moment. There are viewers that are interested in good serial story telling, but is not what dominates today.

I often woder why people who go on and on about how they seem to be getting off on watching various love scenes with combos they like, don't just watch HBO porn and be done with it.

I think that love scenes are an integral part of a love story. However, this rotational sex partner stuff to tease and bait various fan bases, in my opinion, is not entertaining.

Give me swell told story with strong characters!

A hell of a lot less of AS's limited acting wouldn't disappoint me either.
THIS!!!!

If they removed all the sex from the Bristen story they'd have about 10 min. of story. There are no love stories being told anymore, no reason for the viewer to believe any of these characters love each other or would be willing to forsake their entire families for someone because there's no romance anymore just sex.

How can I believe that one is in love with another when both are going to use the exact same words and actions with someone else in a few months?
Personally, I can see the love and romance on the show, sure I can as viewers see stories that could be much better but I am glad that silly and corny does not exist as much anymore as I think soaps were like say twenty years ago, and if two great characters with great chemistry has sex, it's just a bonus.lol And some actors sells dialogues extremely well while there are some who do not sell them at all. IMO
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Laufeyson
Jun 15 2013, 02:35 PM
They could have used the rape properly by allowing the story to flow from there, have EJ actually repent and SHOW IT on screen and not brush it under the rug. They could have done the same thing with Sami shooting him in the head and a dictionary worth of other crap these two characters have done to one another and actually fixed them but they didn't, they haven't. They brushed it all swiftly under the rug. Both characters are pretending like their history is non existent but I can't. If I could I'd be willing to swallow what's on screen on condition they went through serious therapy to deal with their issues and they haven't even done that so i won't waste my time with either one.

They aren't the only ones with seriously bad writing. There are so many missed opportunities but they never go anywhere.
Nicole could deal with her abuse.
Brady can confront the fact that he's a sex addict (along with Sami).
Hope and Ciara need their own story of dealing with Bo's absence.
Jennifer needs to grieve for her husband of twenty years.
Daniel needs to be embroiled in a hospital scandal where he's facing multiple charges of sexual misconduct as a doctor who likes fondling his patients.
Abby's virginity story is not a story.

And these are just a few i can come up with that don't require much thinking. the foundation's already there just work with the characters and stop pushing plots that disgust viewers like Nick's and John's complete ooc behavior. All I am saying is it's not impossible to write stories just use the history to build from there. Ej/Sami are no different. They have no real, solid foundation apart from Sami's excuses of "he's changed" and "he's the father of my children". At east I can say something about EJ even if it's not logical after so long. He's always 'carried a torch' for her, that I almost get.....Sami, no so much. I see no gold from this.

EJ said he was sorry on Lumiīs honeymoon, he said it during their talk about the rape, he brought John back to Marlena and betrayed his father for Sami to bring some balance back.
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And during that talk he said he said he didn't understand how it could be possible that he hurt her. They never delt with the suffering he put her family through or the attemted murders.

They haven't delt with the multiple rapes from Arnold that EJ put her through.
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For me stories are only as good as the writers and right now we have sucky stories and even worse writers. And as much as I have lowered my bar, I refuse to give another inch. I am sick of all this bed-hoping while portraying women as weak and all in need of a man to fulfill their lives. If bed-hoping is all they've got, at least stop making the women so desperate and needy.
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Wheather Jennifer did or didn't have a man in the past, she was still an award winning journalist and damn good at her job.

Now her full-time job is a man. She does nothing but chase or talk about Daniel.
Edited by TreasureCove, Jun 15 2013, 03:16 PM.
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Jun 15 2013, 03:05 PM
And during that talk he said he said he didn't understand how it could be possible that he hurt her. They never delt with the suffering he put her family through or the attemted murders.

They haven't delt with the multiple rapes from Arnold that EJ put her through.

I think EJ saying - how did I hurt you was a dumb line, but I think the writhers thought that the only way Sami would forgive him was if he had the same movtives as she had when she raped Austin thinking it would make him realize he loved her, so they rewrothe it as if that was EJ motives aswell when it wasnīt the original motive.

Rafe2 storyline was definitely bad writhing that never should have been writhen that was meant to destroy Ejami but it only made things worse.
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♥ Lumi is Light, Lumi is Love ♥

S loves EJ
Jun 15 2013, 03:23 PM
TreasureCove
Jun 15 2013, 03:05 PM
And during that talk he said he said he didn't understand how it could be possible that he hurt her. They never delt with the suffering he put her family through or the attemted murders.

They haven't delt with the multiple rapes from Arnold that EJ put her through.

I think EJ saying - how did I hurt you was a dumb line, but I think the writhers thought that the only way Sami would forgive him was if he had the same movtives as she had when she raped Austin thinking it would make him realize he loved her, so they rewrothe it as if that was EJ motives aswell when it wasnīt the original motive.

Rafe2 storyline was definitely bad writhing that never should have been writhen that was meant to destroy Ejami but it only made things worse.
Ej could barely utter the fucking words rape out of his mouth....if he was truly repentant for his actions he would have stopped trying to ruin her life after she married Lucas, but he didn't....he tried to kill her family, tried to kill Lucas, terrorized her after she found out she was pregnant. Instead of letting her be happy and have a somewhat normal pregnancy he was injecting her with solutions that she thought would have her and her child. Instead of letting her go on her honeymoon and just be happy he stalked her, followed her there and again tried to get in the way of what she wanted, which was a happy life with Lucas. For everytime someone says now that Rafe is all over Ejamis story....and he just won't leave, I say GOOD, because after waiting a decade for my couple to finally make it down the aisle, I couldn't get one scene with them without having Ej all over THEIR story.....
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LuvingLumi
Jun 15 2013, 01:15 PM
Santo and Colleen, he overexposure of JS and AS and veteran characters sitting around supporting that ridiculous story by reading Italian letters back in the summer of 2007, had Days hitting all time lows that summer...that story sucked royal ass

Iīm not sure if the person saying Ejami turns crappy writhing into gold meant ratings or if she/he meant that those who love Ejami finds Ejami gold in itself. The ratings did went down to 2.0-2.1 during the summer of 2007 I checked which I guess was low then, but they really hit all time low with the Rafe2 storyline and 1.6-1.7 numbers. Still I donīt think the ratings went down because the Santos/colleen storyline was bad but because of the rape, since I think most Ejami fans liked the storyline, which proves my point that the rape was bad writhing since it made the ratings go down.
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With all the back and forth in this thread I feel like I'm watching the US Open Tennis Championship.
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Laufeyson
Jun 15 2013, 02:59 PM
I don't mean to go off topic but speaking of love stories we are coming off the 3rd season of Game of Thrones, I have read the books and there's one particular story that fascinates me. Regardless of the author's intention (he is writing a political fantasy after all), there seems to be an underlying current between the character of Jaime and Brienne. IMO it comes across as a love story even if the characters never have sex because sex doesn't define relationships. To me it feels like the only love story of the entire series (as in you are seeing the beginnings of what is possibly a romantic relationship between the two most unlikely people) because it's not dealing with when they get to shag and how much before they can move on to the next and truthfully they may never even get the chance to shag let alone share a kiss but you still feel the love. If two characters truly love one another, no other man/woman should occupy large portions of their hearts and beds causing their partner to be insecure in any way. I have no idea what the writers are trying to achieve with the Bristen/Ericole quad but I do know I don't like it. They are great actors and definitely have a lot of chemistry together but that doesn't mean I enjoy the Bricole redux when i know Nicole loves Eric and Brady loves Kristen. I won't say more on the EJ/Sami?Rafe triangle from hell but they no different, I'd even say that Sami is the worst offender of all these characters seesawing between men with Nicole not far behind. It's just awful and I don't enjoy it one bit.
I feel like in the past few months they are making a conscience effort to make Nicole look equal to or worse than Sami in the seesawing thing. They need to either cut out a couple male characters or bring in a couple of new woman. As it stands right now the only couple rootable is Wilson. But I am sure they will fuck that up as well.
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Jun 15 2013, 04:21 PM
With all the back and forth in this thread I feel like I'm watching the US Open Tennis Championship.
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Jun 15 2013, 04:27 PM
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Jun 15 2013, 02:59 PM
I don't mean to go off topic but speaking of love stories we are coming off the 3rd season of Game of Thrones, I have read the books and there's one particular story that fascinates me. Regardless of the author's intention (he is writing a political fantasy after all), there seems to be an underlying current between the character of Jaime and Brienne. IMO it comes across as a love story even if the characters never have sex because sex doesn't define relationships. To me it feels like the only love story of the entire series (as in you are seeing the beginnings of what is possibly a romantic relationship between the two most unlikely people) because it's not dealing with when they get to shag and how much before they can move on to the next and truthfully they may never even get the chance to shag let alone share a kiss but you still feel the love. If two characters truly love one another, no other man/woman should occupy large portions of their hearts and beds causing their partner to be insecure in any way. I have no idea what the writers are trying to achieve with the Bristen/Ericole quad but I do know I don't like it. They are great actors and definitely have a lot of chemistry together but that doesn't mean I enjoy the Bricole redux when i know Nicole loves Eric and Brady loves Kristen. I won't say more on the EJ/Sami?Rafe triangle from hell but they no different, I'd even say that Sami is the worst offender of all these characters seesawing between men with Nicole not far behind. It's just awful and I don't enjoy it one bit.
I feel like in the past few months they are making a conscience effort to make Nicole look equal to or worse than Sami in the seesawing thing. They need to either cut out a couple male characters or bring in a couple of new woman. As it stands right now the only couple rootable is Wilson. But I am sure they will fuck that up as well.
They aren't succeeding in making Nicole look worse than Sami. Nicole is looking for love and a lasting, faithful relationship. Thanks to the twilight zone writing, despite the fact that Nicole is an extremely desirable woman, with beauty, brains and personality, no man is actually allowed to want her.

Yet a smug, childlike bitch is deliberately hurting the men in her life, and they keep crawling back to stand in line, waiting for another turn

The only man who might be allowed to love Nicole in the future can only do that because he's related to Sami. If they take a paternity test in the future and discover that Eric was switched at birth, thus not Sami's brother, he'll suddenly want Sami too.

Edited by TreasureCove, Jun 15 2013, 05:01 PM.
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Jun 15 2013, 03:53 PM
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Jun 15 2013, 03:05 PM
And during that talk he said he said he didn't understand how it could be possible that he hurt her. They never delt with the suffering he put her family through or the attemted murders.

They haven't delt with the multiple rapes from Arnold that EJ put her through.

I think EJ saying - how did I hurt you was a dumb line, but I think the writhers thought that the only way Sami would forgive him was if he had the same movtives as she had when she raped Austin thinking it would make him realize he loved her, so they rewrothe it as if that was EJ motives aswell when it wasnīt the original motive.

Rafe2 storyline was definitely bad writhing that never should have been writhen that was meant to destroy Ejami but it only made things worse.
Ej could barely utter the fucking words rape out of his mouth....if he was truly repentant for his actions he would have stopped trying to ruin her life after she married Lucas, but he didn't....he tried to kill her family, tried to kill Lucas, terrorized her after she found out she was pregnant. Instead of letting her be happy and have a somewhat normal pregnancy he was injecting her with solutions that she thought would have her and her child. Instead of letting her go on her honeymoon and just be happy he stalked her, followed her there and again tried to get in the way of what she wanted, which was a happy life with Lucas. For everytime someone says now that Rafe is all over Ejamis story....and he just won't leave, I say GOOD, because after waiting a decade for my couple to finally make it down the aisle, I couldn't get one scene with them without having Ej all over THEIR story.....

There is a reason why they couldnīt have EJ walk away from Sami they realized that many people loved Ejami and that they had made a mistake. Soaps dreams of finding a couple with of the charts chemistry like Ejami so they had no choice but try to fix things and contine writhing for Ejami. EJ gradually became better starting from Lumiīs honeymoon but they couldnīt change him over night. Anyway you shouldnīt wish for the Ejami fans to be unhappy with writhing just because you are itīs not their fault.
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Jun 15 2013, 03:53 PM
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Jun 15 2013, 03:23 PM
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Jun 15 2013, 03:05 PM
And during that talk he said he said he didn't understand how it could be possible that he hurt her. They never delt with the suffering he put her family through or the attemted murders.

They haven't delt with the multiple rapes from Arnold that EJ put her through.

I think EJ saying - how did I hurt you was a dumb line, but I think the writhers thought that the only way Sami would forgive him was if he had the same movtives as she had when she raped Austin thinking it would make him realize he loved her, so they rewrothe it as if that was EJ motives aswell when it wasnīt the original motive.

Rafe2 storyline was definitely bad writhing that never should have been writhen that was meant to destroy Ejami but it only made things worse.
Ej could barely utter the fucking words rape out of his mouth....if he was truly repentant for his actions he would have stopped trying to ruin her life after she married Lucas, but he didn't....he tried to kill her family, tried to kill Lucas, terrorized her after she found out she was pregnant. Instead of letting her be happy and have a somewhat normal pregnancy he was injecting her with solutions that she thought would have her and her child. Instead of letting her go on her honeymoon and just be happy he stalked her, followed her there and again tried to get in the way of what she wanted, which was a happy life with Lucas. For everytime someone says now that Rafe is all over Ejamis story....and he just won't leave, I say GOOD, because after waiting a decade for my couple to finally make it down the aisle, I couldn't get one scene with them without having Ej all over THEIR story.....
And EJ was all over them like a rash! To this day I can't call myself a fan of his because of that s/l.
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Jun 15 2013, 03:56 PM
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Jun 15 2013, 01:15 PM
Santo and Colleen, he overexposure of JS and AS and veteran characters sitting around supporting that ridiculous story by reading Italian letters back in the summer of 2007, had Days hitting all time lows that summer...that story sucked royal ass

Iīm not sure if the person saying Ejami turns crappy writhing into gold meant ratings or if she/he meant that those who love Ejami finds Ejami gold in itself. The ratings did went down to 2.0-2.1 during the summer of 2007 I checked which I guess was low then, but they really hit all time low with the Rafe2 storyline and 1.6-1.7 numbers. Still I donīt think the ratings went down because the Santos/colleen storyline was bad but because of the rape, since I think most Ejami fans liked the storyline, which proves my point that the rape was bad writhing since it made the ratings go down.
The rape didn't make the ratings go down, they went down months later when the writers tried to turn it into a romance
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Jun 15 2013, 03:56 PM
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Jun 15 2013, 01:15 PM
Santo and Colleen, he overexposure of JS and AS and veteran characters sitting around supporting that ridiculous story by reading Italian letters back in the summer of 2007, had Days hitting all time lows that summer...that story sucked royal ass

Iīm not sure if the person saying Ejami turns crappy writhing into gold meant ratings or if she/he meant that those who love Ejami finds Ejami gold in itself. The ratings did went down to 2.0-2.1 during the summer of 2007 I checked which I guess was low then, but they really hit all time low with the Rafe2 storyline and 1.6-1.7 numbers. Still I donīt think the ratings went down because the Santos/colleen storyline was bad but because of the rape, since I think most Ejami fans liked the storyline, which proves my point that the rape was bad writhing since it made the ratings go down.
The rape didn't make the ratings go down, they went down months later when the writers tried to turn it into a romance

Because the Ejami fans demanded it or they would have lost them as viewers instead.
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Jun 15 2013, 04:47 PM
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Jun 15 2013, 03:53 PM
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Jun 15 2013, 03:23 PM
TreasureCove
Jun 15 2013, 03:05 PM
And during that talk he said he said he didn't understand how it could be possible that he hurt her. They never delt with the suffering he put her family through or the attemted murders.

They haven't delt with the multiple rapes from Arnold that EJ put her through.

I think EJ saying - how did I hurt you was a dumb line, but I think the writhers thought that the only way Sami would forgive him was if he had the same movtives as she had when she raped Austin thinking it would make him realize he loved her, so they rewrothe it as if that was EJ motives aswell when it wasnīt the original motive.

Rafe2 storyline was definitely bad writhing that never should have been writhen that was meant to destroy Ejami but it only made things worse.
Ej could barely utter the fucking words rape out of his mouth....if he was truly repentant for his actions he would have stopped trying to ruin her life after she married Lucas, but he didn't....he tried to kill her family, tried to kill Lucas, terrorized her after she found out she was pregnant. Instead of letting her be happy and have a somewhat normal pregnancy he was injecting her with solutions that she thought would have her and her child. Instead of letting her go on her honeymoon and just be happy he stalked her, followed her there and again tried to get in the way of what she wanted, which was a happy life with Lucas. For everytime someone says now that Rafe is all over Ejamis story....and he just won't leave, I say GOOD, because after waiting a decade for my couple to finally make it down the aisle, I couldn't get one scene with them without having Ej all over THEIR story.....

There is a reason why they couldnīt have EJ walk away from Sami they realized that many people loved Ejami and that they had made a mistake. Soaps dreams of finding a couple with of the charts chemistry like Ejami so they had no choice but try to fix things and contine writhing for Ejami. EJ gradually became better starting from Lumiīs honeymoon but they couldnīt change him over night. Anyway you shouldnīt wish for the Ejami fans to be unhappy with writhing just because you are itīs not their fault.
chemistry is subjective. There are many who don't see this "off the charts" chemistry, and they are turned off by the ruination of the writing and other characters to force it
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Jun 15 2013, 04:51 PM
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Jun 15 2013, 04:49 PM
S loves EJ
Jun 15 2013, 03:56 PM
LuvingLumi
Jun 15 2013, 01:15 PM
Santo and Colleen, he overexposure of JS and AS and veteran characters sitting around supporting that ridiculous story by reading Italian letters back in the summer of 2007, had Days hitting all time lows that summer...that story sucked royal ass

Iīm not sure if the person saying Ejami turns crappy writhing into gold meant ratings or if she/he meant that those who love Ejami finds Ejami gold in itself. The ratings did went down to 2.0-2.1 during the summer of 2007 I checked which I guess was low then, but they really hit all time low with the Rafe2 storyline and 1.6-1.7 numbers. Still I donīt think the ratings went down because the Santos/colleen storyline was bad but because of the rape, since I think most Ejami fans liked the storyline, which proves my point that the rape was bad writhing since it made the ratings go down.
The rape didn't make the ratings go down, they went down months later when the writers tried to turn it into a romance

Because the Ejami fans demanded it or they would have lost them as viewers instead.
And ratings plummeted because the show tried to please one fanbase, instead of writing stories that made sense and appealed to everybody.
Edited by TreasureCove, Jun 15 2013, 04:58 PM.
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