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Wednesday, October 23rd Daily Discussion
Topic Started: Oct 22 2013, 11:33 PM (18,047 Views)
Rosebud
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lysie
Oct 23 2013, 01:13 PM
Bless you for that!
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Oct 24 2013, 12:17 AM
six
Oct 23 2013, 01:01 PM
LanaluvsBroe
Oct 23 2013, 12:59 PM
six
Oct 23 2013, 12:58 PM

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She was born in 1990, shouldn't she be 23?
I think they mentioned her being 27. Almost everyone is older than they should be.
When JTeresa came to Salem, Sami mentioned that she was only a "couple of years" older then Will. How old is Will?
They also said she was ten years older than JJ.

ETA, I figured out who said this - Abby. So she could have been being her usual dramatic self.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqS_pTB7NXs
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Oct 23 2013, 01:46 PM
Keith
Oct 23 2013, 12:55 PM
KRISTEN IS HUGGING A BUNNY Y'ALL. She's still 52.
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Eek she looks like a freakin' hag in that photo!
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I love that she was really attached to that bunny, lol.
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Oct 24 2013, 12:38 AM
You're welcome. ;)
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http://www.network54.com/Forum/358635/

Director: Herb Stein
Scriptwriter: David Cherrill


Segment 1: Dan is working in his office when there's a knock on the door. It's Stefano - I hope I'm not interrupting. Dan - No, what can I do for you Mr. DiMera? Stefano - Well, I have come to thank you in person for the great work you did in saving my son's life. It is something that I will never forget. Dan - It was a little dicey there for a little while but Chad is strong, pulled through; good outcome for all. I appreciate you stopping by though. Is there something ... Stefano - Dr. Jonas, I'm a man who believes in paying his debts. Dan - You don't owe me anything. Stefano - Yes, but I would like to help because I understand that you have a problem that I could fix.

Theresa is all over JJ. When she kisses him he tells her she tastes like booze. Theresa - It's good, right. Come on, drink up although I have to admit this isn't really doing it for me. So did you bring anything cool, coke, maybe some of that cool weed. JJ - If I get caught with almost anything I go straight to prison. Theresa laughs - Who's talking about getting caught. I'm talking about having fun. Come on, did you bring anything. JJ - Every time you say you want to hook up it's always about me doing something for you. She pushes him down on the couch and lies on top of him. Actually there is something I want you to do for me. She kisses him.

Abby - If you call the cops; if you put JJ in prison I will never speak to you again. You'll be saying goodbye to your son and to your daughter. Is that really what you want. Jen picks up the phone - I have to help your brother before it's too late. Hope answers her cell - Hey cuz, what's up? Jen - I need to talk to you as a detective about JJ.

Brady tells Kristen that Nicole told him that while we were broken up you had an affair with someone and then lied to me about it. Kristen - That is so disgusting. You know that's not true ... you believe that's not true. Brady - Of course. Kristen - This is really important. You need to be completely honest with me. There's not even a small part of you that believes I slept with someone else, right?

Eric - What do you mean there was no harm done. What you did was horrible. It was vile! Nicole - What is it that you think I did? Eric - It's not what I think, it's what I know! You raped me. Nicole - What! You didn't just say what ... Eric - I said exactly what I meant. You raped me! Nicole - I don't know ... Eric - I know you don't like what it sounds like but when you drug somebody, you throw their mind into total chaos making them so disoriented that they don't even know what's going on or why; you climb into their bed, you have sex with them ... it's called rape Nicole. RAPE!

Jen - Baby, I am begging you to understand what I'm trying to do. Abby - You are telling yourself that you have to send JJ to prison because you think he might do something someday. As if you can predict the future! Jen - My son, if he goes to prison, I will die. He is my baby. Abby - Then don't send him there. Jen - This is not about my life, it's about his life and this is my priority. He is my priority and I am not going to let him destroy his life by doing something ... Abby - Oh, you don't want to destroy his life so sending him to prison ISN'T going to destroy JJ's life! Spending years with the thugs and thieves and murderers, yeah, that's really going to straighten him out. She leaves.

Theresa continues her seduction but JJ sits up. Theresa - What's wrong? JJ - It's just family stuff, no biggie. Theresa tells him to relax, drink up. JJ - Relax, yeah. Why don't we smoke something. Theresa - Hey, you did bring the good stuff. This is the JJ I know and love.

Brady - I knew this would make you upset. Kristen - I have to know, is there any part of you that doubts me at all. Brady - No. There is zero doubt. Nicole's a liar, why would I believe her? Kristen - You shouldn't. Brady - The weird thing is she knows I told you about sleeping with her when we were apart. So if you were with some guy at that time you would obviously had told me about it. Kristen - Yeah. Brady - I asked you about it point blank and you said no. Nicole still thinks you're lying about it. Kristen - She's evil.

Nicole - Can we sit down and talk about this quietly, rationally. Eric - How about honestly? Nicole - Of course, but Eric, honestly, what you're trying to tell me right now doesn't make any sense to me. Eric - What? Rape? Nicole - You know how I feel about you. You heard me talking to Brady. I could never do anything to hurt you. How could you think I could do something like that. Eric - I didn't want to. I fought it. Even when the evidence started piling up except for today I finally accepted the truth about what you did ... about who you really are.


Segment 2: Jen tells Hope - I feel like I don't have a choice. I need you to find JJ and arrest him because he is going to hurt himself and he will hurt anyone who gets in his way. I know it sounds harsh but it's the right thing to do. I don't know, maybe if were harder on him a long time ago I could have prevented all this. Hope - You don't know that. Jen - But I do know that I can't let this get any worse. So you need to find him tonight. Hope - Any idea where he is. Jen - If I have to bet he's with Theresa.

Theresa - I can't stop thinking about you smashing all the windows at the Horton Town Square; the one's selling your Dad's book. JJ - Turns out my Dad wasn't exactly a stand-up guy. Theresa - Yeah, mine sucked too. He was always off saving the world or the president or the queen or somebody leaving me with my mom who was so rigid she could pass for a statue. JJ laughs - Just like mine. Theresa laughs and continues bashing their parents. I am so baked. JJ - Can we stop talking about family stuff. Theresa - Let's have some fun. She kisses him. JJ pulls back when he hears a noise. Theresa - What, the ventilation system? JJ - No, what if someone is checking out the place. What if they're spying on us. He opens up the window to get the pot smell out of here. He hears the sound again - Did you hear that? Theresa laughs.

Dan - I appreciate your gratitude and yeah I understand you love Chad very much, I have a young son myself but as I said, you don't owe me anything. Stefano - Yes, but I would like to help you in whatever way I can. Dan - I really don't need your help. Stefano - It involves a certain woman who is giving you trouble. Now, believe me, no one will know about how we get rid of your problem. The DiMera's are known to be discreet.

Theresa - You've really got to chill, there's nobody out there. JJ - I heard something. Theresa - No you did not. The place is like a morgue after nine. She opens her door - Nobody's there. JJ - Close the door because if a cop walks by he'll smell the weed. Theresa - You think a cop is just going to come walking down the corridor, yeah right. Stop being so paranoid and drink up. JJ - I'm worried about ... oh ... Uh ... I'll be right back. He goes into the bathroom. Theresa drinks.

Brady - It's sad. I had to tell her I don't want her in my life anymore. She's not acting like a friend. Kristen - I love you and I want your life to be perfect and I want you to be happy so if dumping a so called friend that makes your life miserable does the trick then good riddance, right! She's nothing but a disgusting lowlife loser who wants to do nothing more then disrupt people's lives so nothing works out for them ever. And she takes such pleasure in it and I HATE HER GUTS. Brady - Nicole doesn't usually get to you this badly. What's really going on here?

Nicole - Is this what you think you remember? That happened in the capitol that night. Because if it is it sounded like some distorted version ... Eric - It's not what I think I remembered, it's what I know. Frankly I don't know if I want to stand here. I demand an answer RIGHT NOW! Nicole - I understand that alright but just let me say something. Maybe you feel like this because you heard what I said to Brady. I loved you and I have tried to hide it not to mention fight it. Eric - You lost control. You followed me to the state capitol. You drugged me, you had sex with me. Nicole - No, I did not do that. Eric - Stop lying. You were in my hotel room. You saw how sick I was and it was all because of you. Nicole - No, no, no! Back up a minute! I came to the capital because you forgot your notes for the meeting. Do you remember that? I tried faxing it but the people that work at the hotel were just a bunch of idiots so I jumped in the car and broke every speed limit possible just to get you YOUR notes. And when I finally found you in that hotel room ... My God, you were drenched in sweat, your eyes were glassy, you could barely speak. I was so scared. Eric - Of course you were because you were afraid the drugs you gave me were killing me. You already had sex with me. You got what you came for. You were afraid that I was going to die because of the drugs YOU gave me. Don't just stand there, say something. Nicole - You honestly believe that?


Segment 3: Brady - What's wrong. This isn't just about Nicole, is it? Kristen - No. I told you that I had seen a fertility specialist. The test that was my best last hope came back today. I can never ... Brady - I'm sorry but we will do anything you want when it comes to kids, you know that. Kristen - I do. Brady - I love you; nothing is going to change that.

Eric - Of course I believe it because it's what happened. Nicole - But it ... how could you. How could you think I could do something like that. Eric - Because I investigated. I found out the truth. I spoke to a clerk who was on duty that night. I questioned her about a woman I happened to run into in the lobby. She had dark brown hair, it was actually a wig. She kept her back to me most of the time but she spoke with a fake accent. She almost ran away when I spoke to her. The clerk on duty said she insisted on having the room right next to mine. Does that sound familiar? Nicole - No, because that woman was not me. Eric - Yeah, well that woman in the wig, she checked in and out and was never seen again. And then coincidentally you showed up and appeared to be in shock. And I was so sick, violently ill in my room. Nicole - I was shocked. I called the ambulance. Eric - Yeah and insisted they take me all the way back to Salem. Nicole - Because I wanted to get you the best treatment. Eric - Or maybe the time would pass and the drug would fade away. Nicole - No! Eric - Deny it all you want to but you know you tripped yourself up that night and I don't have a clue why. A guilty slip but whatever, you did it. Nicole - Did what? Eric - The name the woman in the wig used when she registered was Fay Taylor.

Hope - Listen, this conversation is off the record. You want to get more formal later, fine. But everything said here was family, not police, got it. As far as JJ, there's something I'd like to try. Jen - Please, I'll try anything. Hope - I might have some leverage with Theresa. I'm going to go and talk to her. If JJ's there, I'm going to do anything I possibly can to bring him home to you. Let's give it a try. If it works, fantastic. If it doesn't then you can decide if you want to take the next step.

Maggie opens the door to Abby. Hi. Goodness, what's wrong? Is it Chad? Abby - No, it's me and my stupid family. Maggie - I know things have been pretty rough at your house because of JJ. Abby - It's not JJ. It's my mom. Please, you have to talk to her. You have to make her understand that she is doing the worst possible thing.

Theresa drinks more. What is he doing in there! What a waste of a good buzz. She places a call. Well hello Mr. Voicemail. Did anyone ever tell you that you have a really sexy voice. I betcha they have. You have great eyes too. You know what they call you at the hospital. Dr What a Waste because you keep wasting your time looking at people who don't want to look back. Hey I know you blew me off earlier but guess what. Your replacement is turning out to be a waste so if you want to come over, I'll give you another chance. Are you listening to me? Come on, all you have to do is answer and talk to me. Just pick up. Come on Danny boy, pick up. JJ listens. He closes the bathroom door when he hears someone knocking. Theresa - I bet he was listening just outside the door the whole time. It's Hope.


Segment 4: Maggie - I know it's painful. I know how much you love him. I love him too. Jennifer is trying to teach him that he is vulnerable and he's vulnerable because he makes all the wrong choices. Abby - No, he is just confused. He's been this way ever since Dad died. It turned his whole world upside down; it crushed him. And what JJ really needs right now is time so that he can just ... Maggie - No. No! He doesn't need time. If he doesn't change, he's going to destroy himself. Your mom is putting pressure on him to decide. He's at a crossroads here. Does he go to prison? Does he ask for help? Does he trust in our love for him? Does he find another way to live. Abby - I can't let this happen to him. I can't let my brother go through this. Maggie - Sweetheart, you may not have a choice. Abby - The hell I don't. She leaves.

Hope - I'd like to come in and talk. Theresa pushes her into the hallway. Unless you have a search warrant we talk out here. You have 2 mins. Hope - I'm not here as a cop, I'm here as family. JJ listens. Hope - It's about JJ. Theresa - Oh, that loser. Hope - Have you seen him? Theresa - No and I don't want to. I mean I've got you and the rest of my loving family just looking for a reason to ship me back to LA. So if I were to hang out with some juvenile delinquent ... Hope - That's enough. Why won't you let me inside? Theresa - I'm entertaining. Hope - You have a man over. Theresa - I think that's still legal, isn't it? Hope - I heard you talking when I got here. Randy, Benny, Manny ... Manny boy. Theresa - Manny, he's a biker guy I met. He's waiting for me right now. I'd let you come in and say hey but he's kind of not dressed. He's got a lot of tats though. You'd really like them. They're everywhere. Hope - I'll pass. JJ's a good kid. I'm trying to help him. Theresa - I don't need your sob story Aunt Hope but if I see him I'll tell him to call you or I'll just tell him to get lost. Chow. She goes back inside. Theresa - She had no idea you were here thanks to me. JJ - You called me a loser. Theresa - Did I get her off your back or what? JJ - What about that guy? Theresa - I made him up. Were you even listening. JJ - I heard you on the phone with him before. It wasn't Randy or Manny, you called him Danny boy.

Dan - Thanks for the thought but I think I got this one covered. Stefano - Very well, your choice. Good luck. If you ever need help ... Dan - I will keep your offer in mind. Stefano - My advice, handle the problem quickly because it's about women ... it always gets worse. He leaves. Dan sees he has a voicemail message. Oh great, a message from my problem.

Nicole - Eric, wait. That name is just pure coincidence. Eric - Fay is your mother's name. Nicole - Yeah and Taylor is my sister's name. That doesn't make me the woman in the wig. I got to that hotel at least a half hour before I found you. And why the hell would I use that alias anyway. Eric - Sometimes people that want to do terrible things actually want to get caught. Nicole - I didn't do anything terrible. Eric - You've been feeling so guilty since that night that's why you don't even want to talk to me about it. Nicole - You want to know why I don't want to talk about it. Because Fr. Matt asked me not to talk about that night with you because you're so stressed out as it is. And you know what, if you don't believe me, why don't you go ask him yourself. Eric - You always have a lie, don't you? Nicole snaps - YEAH! I guess I do. Eric - Spin it, twist it, anything to avoid having to tell the truth. Nicole screams - I AM NOT LYING. Eric - When I confronted you that night about what you said to Brady - that you were in love with me; when I first came back to Salem you're first instinct was to lie. Nicole cries. Because I was embarrassed. Eric - No, because you're a liar. You're a liar to your core and I don't believe one word you say. He starts walking away.


Segment 5: JJ - Who's Danny boy and why'd you call him. Theresa drinks. I called him because I thought when you came over we were going to party ... booze, dope, bedroom ... you forget your troubles, I forget mine. But that didn't happen; instead I got paranoid Pete smelling things, hearing noises, worried about cops coming, running to the bathroom every time I made a move. What do you think I was going to do, wait for you to grow up. JJ - Who did you call? Theresa - Somebody who can get the job done. JJ - Who! Theresa - Daniel. Dr. Dan the man, your mom's boyfriend. Old boyfriend.

Dan listens to Theresa's message. Who in the hell does she think she is. He realises his battery is almost dead and after looking around he determines his charger is not here.

Nicole - Eric. Wait. I swear that I am not lying to you. I have been honest, completely ... okay yes, I have lied to you in the past ... a lot but it was just because I didn't want to ruin anything. I just wanted to be near you, I wanted to be with you, I wanted to work with you. I just hoped that that could last forever but then my feelings just started to eat away at me and I knew that I had to break it off and that's why I quit. I had to get away from you. And I am not proud of the things I have done but ... Eric - Like drugging me, forcing me to do things ... Nicole - No, NO! I didn't do that. I'm just talking about picking little fights and the fantasies I had about you and dressing sexy and going to bars just trying to get your attention. I just wanted your attention. I almost slept with Vargas but that doesn't matter anymore because now you know I love you and I've always loved you and that is the truth. That's the truth. I would never do anything to hurt you especially not in that hotel room and if you think that I could do something so awful to the person I love then you never knew me at all.


Segment 6: Maggie finds Brady knocking on Dan's apt door - no answer. Maggie called the hospital. They told her he had a huge fight with Anne Milbauer and just stormed off. Brady - That doesn't sound good. Maggie called his office and left a message but he hasn't called back. She tried his cell and got voicemail. He's a doctor. He should be reachable. Brady asks if she's okay. Maggie wanted to talk to Daniel about Jennifer. No, it was really about Abigail. Brady - Do you want to talk about it? Maggie - I think I better go to a meeting. Brady - Let's go to the pub and have a cup of coffee and we'll see when the next one starts.

Hope returns to the Horton house and tells Jen she didn't find JJ. He wasn't there. Jen - That's something but he's still out there somewhere. Hope - Theresa had a guy over. She said he was a biker. She promised to call if he got in touch. Jen - So I keep worrying about my son looking for a place to sleep tonight. What if he breaks into someone's house ... Hope - Think positive. He's probably at a diner having coffee trying to figure thinks out cuz. He may decide to come home. Think positively. It's worth waiting until at least tomorrow. If I call the judge tonight and ask for a warrant and JJ's going to get picked up and this whole thing ... Abby - Picked up? No, Aunt Hope, please don't do this.

JJ - You called Daniel Jonas. Theresa - What is your problem? JJ - You want him over here? What the hell Theresa! Theresa - He was here a while ago. JJ - He was? Theresa - What's the big deal. JJ - A couple of weeks ago you were saying you had the hots for someone ... it was Daniel. Are you serious! Theresa - You know JJ I called you over here so we could have some fun. That ain't happening so I called a guy who I knew could do the job. Right now if I'm going to have the hots for someone it might as well be a body that never quits, right? Dr. Jonas knows what a woman wants and how to give it to her so she knows that she's ... JJ kisses her and they end up on the couch.

Kristen is having a meltdown in the mansion. It's bad enough Brady had to sleep with her. She has a stuffed animal that she beats against the furniture. I should have ripped her face off but I didn't ... but I should have. That bitch ... she tells Brady I was unfaithful to him. Stefano - You were not being unfaithful. Kristen snaps - I know but I was with Eric. Stefano - That was your plan. You wanted revenge against Marlena for what she did to you. So you knocked out her son the priest and then you made a video of the both of you making love ... that was your plan. Kristen - I know what I did. I don't know how she knows that I was with somebody else. Don't you understand! Brady can never find out or I will lose him forever.

Eric - Actually Nicole, I think I finally know you, the real you. When I first came back to Salem I was so deluded to think that I could salvage your life, that I could actually show you a better kind of love filed with kindness, compassion ... Christ's love. But you were never salvageable because you're sick and twisted. Nicole - I am not sick and twisted. I'm just the sad, pathetic woman who's in love with a man who'll never love me back and who seems to remember something that never happened. Eric - You never stop, do you? The same lie. It did happen. Nicole snaps - Not with me. NOT WITH ME ... I SWEAR ON MY SOUL ... I swear to you ... I swear to God.


Segment 7: Eric - How dare you stand here in the house of God and lie over and over ... Nicole - I am not lying! Eric - Yes you are. You may want your lies to be true. You may even have regrets but you can't change the facts. Nicole - Oh I see. So the memories that you couldn't recall for over 4 months are now back? Eric - I was there and so were you. Nicole - And nothing I say is going to change your mind right? Then to hell with you. She picks up the arrangement of flowers and throws them to the floor. To hell with God! She leaves.

Kristen - Thank God Brady didn't believe a word out of her filthy mouth. Stefano - You are safe alright. The only proof is that flashdrive that's been long gone. Kristen - At the bottom of the river. Stefano - So she can blabber all she wants. Nobody is going to believe her. So relax. Just consider your future, your happiness. Nothing is going to interfere with that.

The camera pans to the flashdrive in Dan's office. Dan looks at his cell. Relax Mom, I'll call you later.

Abby - He his your son. You say that you love him then you call Aunt Hope and have him arrested! Hope - Abby, slow down. Take a breath. Your mom and I were just talking about waiting until tomorrow. Give him some time, see what he does. Abby - Really? Jen - Yes and pray that he does the right thing. Abby hugs Hope - Thank you so much. Jen - Yes, thank you. They hug. Hope - Call me if he contacts you. She leaves. Jen - Thank you for coming home. Abby - I was kind of hoping to see JJ plus I didn't really have any place else to really go. Without my home, without my family ... Jen - I know but we are going to get through this. Abby - I know. JJ's going to come home. He just needs time. Jen - I hope you're right and I really hope that he doesn't do something tonight that he shouldn't do.

JJ pulls off his shirt. Theresa - Wait. JJ - What? Theresa - I'm not backing off. We've got to do this. She pulls out a vial. Inspiration baby. I'm going to make this a night you'll never forget. JJ - What is it? Theresa - It's intense. You won't believe what this is going to do. It's called Nirvana. We're going on the ride of our lives.
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Oct 24 2013, 05:38 AM
Also, another thing that needs to be said. As I said before there is absolutely *no* reason for people to get all up in arms about this "treatment" of Nicole. And another thing is that this is *not* the same as last year. Then, Nicole was clearly made out to actually *be* the villain, with her doing horrible, inexcplicable things, and trying to turn the audiences against her. Jennifer is the heroine, Nicole is the villain. That is not the case now. Nicole is being portrayed as the heroine, not the villain, everyone has seen what she has done or hasn't done, while Kristen is the villain and people are bashing *her*, not Nicole. Nicole will be *more* than fine after all has been said and done. And if someone thinks about saying, "oh she did it, Kristen did it, she doesn't deserve any sympathy", well to that, so did Nicole do what she did a year ago, carried her dead baby inside which is disgusting, and blamed Jennifer for it. So there's really no two ways about it, and certainly no room for hypocisy.
You are so right to point out that Kristen is the villain and not Nicole, unlike a year ago when Nicole was written to carry a dead baby around just to frame poor Jennifer. Just goes to show how truly demented Tomsell are they have in the last year had a baby killed for another couples angst, a priest raped, and a murder set free and blamed the widow. Only Tomsell could make rape foreplay for a couple, and defrock a priest at the same time. As for Nicole the main reason her fans aren't happy about the way this storyline has gone is that not only has she been blamed but she again has lost everyone. Brady called her a bitch and walked away from her, and Eric screamed at her in God's house, not the rectory but in the actual church calling her vile and disgusting. So please understand that as fans of this character it's getting a bit old for her to continue to lose everything while others have family and friends that defend them EVEN when guilty. And you can't call Rafe her friend he never has screen time with her (someone else must not like sharing her toys). And Daniel treats Nicole like a lunatic he has to watch his step around, so no Nicole truly has no one in her life she can turn too. If they have her turn to Daniel which is expected because Daniel has the drive, and Daniel gets thrown into everything much like Sami it will not be because he believes her it most probably will be because he wants to put her in therapy.

Unfortunately for those of us who are fans of both ED and AZ we would have much preferred the real Nicole all this time and Kristen and Nicole collaborate on things, or at the very least gotten to see more than the occasional confrontation. Both ladies deserved better than what Tomsell gave them, both have given great performances with the shitty storyline but let it be clear this has been a completely SHITTY storyline from start to finish. Both men have been turned into the morons they've made Austin look like Einstein, and both women have been ruined. One repairable eventually, but I truly hope Nicole leaves both these men in the dust, and I know why ED chose to leave she probably cringed every time she got her script. At this point I only watch Nicole/Kristen scenes and am barely hanging on for those. I'll probably walk away completely after ED leaves because like the suicide attempt that as a Nicole fan I couldn't even bare to watch. I don't even bother watching Kristen when she shares screen time with EJ or anything that has to do with Sami and since she inserts and takes over every storyline I'm sure she'll be all up in this kool-aide soon as Kristen's downfall comes. Only thing Tomsell may do to salvage Kristen and give a shot at ED returning at some point is that they will keep the rape quiet for Eric's sake, that he chooses to leave the priest hood for his own reason's and not because Kristen raped him. Because when that comes out Brady will also be humiliated beyond belief, and then if they push their Ericoma agenda Eric will apologize to Nicole but of course no one will really know. Brady on the other hand will be left with nothing as well since they ruined the Bricole friendship, oops I forgot he has family. Victor, Maggie, Marlena, John (coming back) Eric, Samslut, and all the Horton/Brady back up he needs.
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Oct 23 2013, 04:05 PM
OK, just saw the episode live. WHAT kind of drug was Theresa flashing JJ? It certainly wasn't coke. It was a clear liquid with a dropper.

If Theresa and JJ both use it, there better be some SERIOUS freaky deaky sex scenes tomorrow.
She called it Nirvana.Never heard of it
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Oct 23 2013, 11:31 PM
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Oct 23 2013, 12:24 PM
MAGGIE, BUY SOMETHING WITHOUT RUFFLES!!!
For a while the boyfriend and I have been referring to Maggie as "The Teat" because she's always hovering over Daniel, her grown-assed, middle-aged son, trying so hard to get him to suckle to make up for all that lost time. Any time Daniel is upset, usually about Jennifer, Maggie wants SO much to offer him the teat.

Recently we've noticed the ruffles have been coming on strong again, so her full name has become Ruffles McTeat.
"Maggie wants SO much to offer him the teat."

Ew. This line gave me a visual that seriously grossed me out.
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Ari Z was flawless.

FLAWLESS.
Edited by Brewster, Oct 24 2013, 09:54 AM.
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Oct 23 2013, 09:54 PM
I am convinced TomSell decided to take simultaneous vacations and Lorraine Broderick was left in charge of the writers in their absence. The scene breakdowns, transitions and overall writing today (and yesterday) were pretty damn good. LB definitely had a hand in this.

Not only that but AZ and ED both brought their A games today. Both ladies were excellent.

Totally!

It's about damn time this show started sexually objectifying CMo. Why have they kept him under wraps for so long?

Really? He's been on less than a year! (Or so it seems. Haven't been keeping track, but either way it hasn't been long at all!)
I wonder why neither Abigail or Hope mentioned to Jennifer the horrors Nick experienced in prison. Surely she would not have wanted her son to suffer the same way.

Totally! Would be the first thing you would think they would do! :shame:

Oh, and Maggie is still an unlikeable bitch.
Seriously? CMo hasn't been on the show even a year! Everything else, totally agree!
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Oct 24 2013, 05:38 AM
Also, another thing that needs to be said. As I said before there is absolutely *no* reason for people to get all up in arms about this "treatment" of Nicole. And another thing is that this is *not* the same as last year. Then, Nicole was clearly made out to actually *be* the villain, with her doing horrible, inexcplicable things, and trying to turn the audiences against her. Jennifer is the heroine, Nicole is the villain. That is not the case now. Nicole is being portrayed as the heroine, not the villain, everyone has seen what she has done or hasn't done, while Kristen is the villain and people are bashing *her*, not Nicole. Nicole will be *more* than fine after all has been said and done. And if someone thinks about saying, "oh she did it, Kristen did it, she doesn't deserve any sympathy", well to that, so did Nicole do what she did a year ago, carried her dead baby inside which is disgusting, and blamed Jennifer for it. So there's really no two ways about it, and certainly no room for hypocisy.
You are so right to point out that Kristen is the villain and not Nicole, unlike a year ago when Nicole was written to carry a dead baby around just to frame poor Jennifer. Just goes to show how truly demented Tomsell are they have in the last year had a baby killed for another couples angst, a priest raped, and a murder set free and blamed the widow. Only Tomsell could make rape foreplay for a couple, and defrock a priest at the same time. As for Nicole the main reason her fans aren't happy about the way this storyline has gone is that not only has she been blamed but she again has lost everyone. Brady called her a bitch and walked away from her, and Eric screamed at her in God's house, not the rectory but in the actual church calling her vile and disgusting. So please understand that as fans of this character it's getting a bit old for her to continue to lose everything while others have family and friends that defend them EVEN when guilty. And you can't call Rafe her friend he never has screen time with her (someone else must not like sharing her toys). And Daniel treats Nicole like a lunatic he has to watch his step around, so no Nicole truly has no one in her life she can turn too. If they have her turn to Daniel which is expected because Daniel has the drive, and Daniel gets thrown into everything much like Sami it will not be because he believes her it most probably will be because he wants to put her in therapy.

Unfortunately for those of us who are fans of both ED and AZ we would have much preferred the real Nicole all this time and Kristen and Nicole collaborate on things, or at the very least gotten to see more than the occasional confrontation. Both ladies deserved better than what Tomsell gave them, both have given great performances with the shitty storyline but let it be clear this has been a completely SHITTY storyline from start to finish. Both men have been turned into the morons they've made Austin look like Einstein, and both women have been ruined. One repairable eventually, but I truly hope Nicole leaves both these men in the dust, and I know why ED chose to leave she probably cringed every time she got her script. At this point I only watch Nicole/Kristen scenes and am barely hanging on for those. I'll probably walk away completely after ED leaves because like the suicide attempt that as a Nicole fan I couldn't even bare to watch. I don't even bother watching Kristen when she shares screen time with EJ or anything that has to do with Sami and since she inserts and takes over every storyline I'm sure she'll be all up in this kool-aide soon as Kristen's downfall comes. Only thing Tomsell may do to salvage Kristen and give a shot at ED returning at some point is that they will keep the rape quiet for Eric's sake, that he chooses to leave the priest hood for his own reason's and not because Kristen raped him. Because when that comes out Brady will also be humiliated beyond belief, and then if they push their Ericoma agenda Eric will apologize to Nicole but of course no one will really know. Brady on the other hand will be left with nothing as well since they ruined the Bricole friendship, oops I forgot he has family. Victor, Maggie, Marlena, John (coming back) Eric, Samslut, and all the Horton/Brady back up he needs.
As a fan of Nicole and of her portrayer, I have to disagree with your assessment that all of her fans aren't happy about the way this storyline has gone. I find it refreshing to see Nicole getting treated as the true heroine in the story. In fact, I can't really recall a time that's ever happened and I think AZ has done a great job of subtly sliding Nicole into that role while still managing to keep that tough, funny yet biting demeanor that makes Nicole so unique. It's nice to be rooting for Nicole in a situation where she really hasn't done anything wrong and has actually been fighting the good fight to make the right choices. There have been times in the past when I found myself rooting for Nicole (primarily because AZ makes her so damned rootable) when in truth, she was the reason her life kept falling apart around her. This time it's pretty clear to me that after going through some heartbreak (which again, AZ does better than just about anybody) the writing is indicating Nicole will be vindicated and likely find her happiness. It's sad to watch her suffer - particularly when she's being accused of things that are in no way her fault - but at the same time, it's the mark of a great soapy storyline and indicates HUGE character growth for Nicole.

My one and only complaint about this storyline is the snail's pace it has moved at - but I'm hopeful the payoff will be well worth it as it plays out. If AZ's performances these last few episodes are any indication I think we're in for some amazing stuff from her in the coming months as the story plays out and I think that's fantastic - both for the actress and for the character she plays.
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EJ. It's got the right hair, tuft and all. And it would make a great Halloween teapot. ;)
I definitely get more of a Rafe vibe with those eyebrows though. I think EJ's tuft will be gone sooner than Rafe's caterpillars.
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On Eric - does anyone think that he might have a crisis of faith, or think he might be in the wrong line of work even before the truth comes out? I've been wondering about this, since he doesn't think he has a great track record with guiding people onto the right path. He's only a priest, or mostly only a priest, because he wants forgiveness for his role in the other priest's death. And now he's failed to help Vargas, he's failed to help Nicole. Is he going to think he's the one successful transformation, or will he think that people can't change and that it's impossible to make up for what happened to the other priest?
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On Eric - does anyone think that he might have a crisis of faith, or think he might be in the wrong line of work even before the truth comes out? I've been wondering about this, since he doesn't think he has a great track record with guiding people onto the right path. He's only a priest, or mostly only a priest, because he wants forgiveness for his role in the other priest's death. And now he's failed to help Vargas, he's failed to help Nicole. Is he going to think he's the one successful transformation, or will he think that people can't change and that it's impossible to make up for what happened to the other priest?
I don't know where it is going, but GV tweeted something about a dark journey...also, I think he plays quietly tormented quite well. So if that is the direction, I'm sure he will nail it.

I have a question though. I'm not Catholic, so I honestly don't know. Is he able to continue the priesthood after what happened with Kristen?

I always wondered if that was how the show intended to get Ericole together without making him give up the cloth so to speak.
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Eric is one crappy priest. He's spouting off about Christ's love, which if he had even a smidgen of knowledge of which he was speaking, is all about the repenting and forgiveness. While I've enjoyed the Ericole scenes (why doesn't AZ have a shelf full of daytime Emmys????), Eric is ridiculous in playing the God card given his condemnation and the horrible things he's saying to Nicole. Maybe he feels justified because of what he believes (not what he knows, despite repeating it over and over), but I'd rather he be full of pain than to be so angry and judgmental.

I think I'd be looking forward to the reveal more if Nicole didn't have such a terrible track record of quickly forgiving men who have been total douchebags to her. If I knew Eric would have to grovel for a really, really long time, I could enjoy it more.
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Oct 24 2013, 02:26 PM
Eric is one crappy priest. He's spouting off about Christ's love, which if he had even a smidgen of knowledge of which he was speaking, is all about the repenting and forgiveness. While I've enjoyed the Ericole scenes (why doesn't AZ have a shelf full of daytime Emmys????), Eric is ridiculous in playing the God card given his condemnation and the horrible things he's saying to Nicole. Maybe he feels justified because of what he believes (not what he knows, despite repeating it over and over), but I'd rather he be full of pain than to be so angry and judgmental.

I think I'd be looking forward to the reveal more if Nicole didn't have such a terrible track record of quickly forgiving men who have been total douchebags to her. If I knew Eric would have to grovel for a really, really long time, I could enjoy it more.
I think Eric is going to be groveling for a really, really, really LONG time! That's why he was so over-the-top harsh with her so that she could flip him off indefinitely and be TOTALLY justified. She can be as cold and dismissive of him as she pleases and still be root-worthy. So enjoy because I know I will. :popcorn:
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Also, another thing that needs to be said. As I said before there is absolutely *no* reason for people to get all up in arms about this "treatment" of Nicole. And another thing is that this is *not* the same as last year. Then, Nicole was clearly made out to actually *be* the villain, with her doing horrible, inexcplicable things, and trying to turn the audiences against her. Jennifer is the heroine, Nicole is the villain. That is not the case now. Nicole is being portrayed as the heroine, not the villain, everyone has seen what she has done or hasn't done, while Kristen is the villain and people are bashing *her*, not Nicole. Nicole will be *more* than fine after all has been said and done. And if someone thinks about saying, "oh she did it, Kristen did it, she doesn't deserve any sympathy", well to that, so did Nicole do what she did a year ago, carried her dead baby inside which is disgusting, and blamed Jennifer for it. So there's really no two ways about it, and certainly no room for hypocisy.
You are so right to point out that Kristen is the villain and not Nicole, unlike a year ago when Nicole was written to carry a dead baby around just to frame poor Jennifer. Just goes to show how truly demented Tomsell are they have in the last year had a baby killed for another couples angst, a priest raped, and a murder set free and blamed the widow. Only Tomsell could make rape foreplay for a couple, and defrock a priest at the same time. As for Nicole the main reason her fans aren't happy about the way this storyline has gone is that not only has she been blamed but she again has lost everyone. Brady called her a bitch and walked away from her, and Eric screamed at her in God's house, not the rectory but in the actual church calling her vile and disgusting. So please understand that as fans of this character it's getting a bit old for her to continue to lose everything while others have family and friends that defend them EVEN when guilty. And you can't call Rafe her friend he never has screen time with her (someone else must not like sharing her toys). And Daniel treats Nicole like a lunatic he has to watch his step around, so no Nicole truly has no one in her life she can turn too. If they have her turn to Daniel which is expected because Daniel has the drive, and Daniel gets thrown into everything much like Sami it will not be because he believes her it most probably will be because he wants to put her in therapy.

Unfortunately for those of us who are fans of both ED and AZ we would have much preferred the real Nicole all this time and Kristen and Nicole collaborate on things, or at the very least gotten to see more than the occasional confrontation. Both ladies deserved better than what Tomsell gave them, both have given great performances with the shitty storyline but let it be clear this has been a completely SHITTY storyline from start to finish. Both men have been turned into the morons they've made Austin look like Einstein, and both women have been ruined. One repairable eventually, but I truly hope Nicole leaves both these men in the dust, and I know why ED chose to leave she probably cringed every time she got her script. At this point I only watch Nicole/Kristen scenes and am barely hanging on for those. I'll probably walk away completely after ED leaves because like the suicide attempt that as a Nicole fan I couldn't even bare to watch. I don't even bother watching Kristen when she shares screen time with EJ or anything that has to do with Sami and since she inserts and takes over every storyline I'm sure she'll be all up in this kool-aide soon as Kristen's downfall comes. Only thing Tomsell may do to salvage Kristen and give a shot at ED returning at some point is that they will keep the rape quiet for Eric's sake, that he chooses to leave the priest hood for his own reason's and not because Kristen raped him. Because when that comes out Brady will also be humiliated beyond belief, and then if they push their Ericoma agenda Eric will apologize to Nicole but of course no one will really know. Brady on the other hand will be left with nothing as well since they ruined the Bricole friendship, oops I forgot he has family. Victor, Maggie, Marlena, John (coming back) Eric, Samslut, and all the Horton/Brady back up he needs.
As a fan of Nicole and of her portrayer, I have to disagree with your assessment that all of her fans aren't happy about the way this storyline has gone. I find it refreshing to see Nicole getting treated as the true heroine in the story. In fact, I can't really recall a time that's ever happened and I think AZ has done a great job of subtly sliding Nicole into that role while still managing to keep that tough, funny yet biting demeanor that makes Nicole so unique. It's nice to be rooting for Nicole in a situation where she really hasn't done anything wrong and has actually been fighting the good fight to make the right choices. There have been times in the past when I found myself rooting for Nicole (primarily because AZ makes her so damned rootable) when in truth, she was the reason her life kept falling apart around her. This time it's pretty clear to me that after going through some heartbreak (which again, AZ does better than just about anybody) the writing is indicating Nicole will be vindicated and likely find her happiness. It's sad to watch her suffer - particularly when she's being accused of things that are in no way her fault - but at the same time, it's the mark of a great soapy storyline and indicates HUGE character growth for Nicole.

My one and only complaint about this storyline is the snail's pace it has moved at - but I'm hopeful the payoff will be well worth it as it plays out. If AZ's performances these last few episodes are any indication I think we're in for some amazing stuff from her in the coming months as the story plays out and I think that's fantastic - both for the actress and for the character she plays.
Scami will never allow that to happen, she wants Nicole in the dirt and that's where she'll stay. Read that statement anyway wished but mark my words that this story like Nabi baby and Rafe's beating will end up as another Sami storyline. Yeah we'll get treated to Eric groveling a bit, maybe Brady as well but I hope she tells them to go to hell.

With that said EJ will help Kristen in some way making it a wedge between them, and bam it's Sami/EJ angst. They already killed Nicole's baby for Dannifer angst so I give no credit to Tomsell/Corday/or their Diva that anyone other than her is allowed to shine. AZ is amazing and always will be but she'll always come out the loser, because like you said no one can do the emotional stuff like AZ, but that also leaves her fans with little to be happy about. It can be seen from some as soapy and dramatic but when your favorite actress/character is always left in the mud you eventually give up watching. Who wants to always watch depression in their favorites, life is depressing enough, a bit of happiness would be nice but at this point to give Nicole either man as her happy ending is pathetic to say the least. Not to mention she's the one that's done all the work for both men, a simple apology would not suffice. Brady and Eric both called her a liar to her face and behind her back, those are not friends much less men who feel strongly for her.
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On Eric - does anyone think that he might have a crisis of faith, or think he might be in the wrong line of work even before the truth comes out? I've been wondering about this, since he doesn't think he has a great track record with guiding people onto the right path. He's only a priest, or mostly only a priest, because he wants forgiveness for his role in the other priest's death. And now he's failed to help Vargas, he's failed to help Nicole. Is he going to think he's the one successful transformation, or will he think that people can't change and that it's impossible to make up for what happened to the other priest?
I don't know where it is going, but GV tweeted something about a dark journey...also, I think he plays quietly tormented quite well. So if that is the direction, I'm sure he will nail it.

I have a question though. I'm not Catholic, so I honestly don't know. Is he able to continue the priesthood after what happened with Kristen?

I always wondered if that was how the show intended to get Ericole together without making him give up the cloth so to speak.
Since he was raped it would be his decision after going through the higher ups and how he felt as a man and a priest. But a priest yelling in God's house to a woman that she is vile and disgusting and that God would not be able to forgive her, that is something a real priest would never do, he would have moved that conversation to another place since it was not a confession but an accusation.

If Eric chooses to continue his faith he can become a Deacon - Deacon is the first step, then Priest, then Bishop and so on.

Deacons have a different function in the Church, working from within the world to bring the gospel to the world. For this reason, it is important that they be men of good character and of firm faith. While their commitment to the Church must be absolute, the nature of their ministry does not require them to work for the Church full time or be celibate. They can have regular jobs and they can be married. There is however a caveat. They can be ordained if they are married, but they cannot get married if they are ordained. (It would be rather inappropriate for a member the clergy to be prowling the pews for a date!) If a deacon is widowed, he is to remain unmarried for life.
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Eric is one crappy priest. He's spouting off about Christ's love, which if he had even a smidgen of knowledge of which he was speaking, is all about the repenting and forgiveness. While I've enjoyed the Ericole scenes (why doesn't AZ have a shelf full of daytime Emmys????), Eric is ridiculous in playing the God card given his condemnation and the horrible things he's saying to Nicole. Maybe he feels justified because of what he believes (not what he knows, despite repeating it over and over), but I'd rather he be full of pain than to be so angry and judgmental.

I think I'd be looking forward to the reveal more if Nicole didn't have such a terrible track record of quickly forgiving men who have been total douchebags to her. If I knew Eric would have to grovel for a really, really long time, I could enjoy it more.
I think Eric is going to be groveling for a really, really, really LONG time! That's why he was so over-the-top harsh with her so that she could flip him off indefinitely and be TOTALLY justified. She can be as cold and dismissive of him as she pleases and still be root-worthy. So enjoy because I know I will. :popcorn:
Shout out to the Who Dat in da House - now with that said.

Eric will have more airtime with his torment of continuing in the priesthood than he ever will groveling to Nicole, she will be made to forgive him by the snap of his fingers. This is not a love story for Nicole it is an angst story for Eric and his demons he will talk with family about his feelings and how he should proceed with his life, Nicole will be no more than an after thought. And quite frankly if he does continue with his faith (which I would assume him to do any true Catholic who wanted to be a priest would still stay quite religious) does NOT make for a sexy fantasy, nor someone that a character like feisty Martini toting Nicole should be. Eric as a Priest was a major fail on the writers behalf.

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