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Spoilers for the week of November 11th; *updated 11/4*
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I just don't see Bo being murdered and there being 3 suspects with it. That just doesn't make sense. I can see him dying off screen but not it turning into a murder mystery of sorts or even a cover up. I think it's Kristen because there would be suspects for her. And it's being said this was something that was previewed the beginning of summer and there was that bit about Kristen wanting revenge on John. Since he's off screen easy for him to be a suspect since nobody knows where he is. I could also see it being Nick with him faking a murder because he'd have suspects also but I'm just doubting he's the one. I'm not sure what Nick would be accomplishing by faking his own death since his only crazy objective is to live happily ever after with Gabi and Ari.
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Nov 5 2013, 07:58 AM
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I just want to know how Kristen's going to exit Salem.
Sami, EJ, and Jack are all rapists too.
But out of the four of them, only one was actually sorry for what they had done and spent years atoning for it.
It has been 20 years and Jack has regretted his actions to his dying day, for that he shouldn't be grouped with those 3.
I actually agree with this. There is no comparison. Jack physically overpowered Kayla and violently raped her with so much rage while she was helplessly crying and screaming NOOOOO. On the other hand, what happened with Ejami was between two consenting adults making a deal where the woman in question agrees to give sexual favor in exchange for another favor which was granted as promised. No violence involved or drugs involved. A tradeoff as I see it. I have forgiven Jack, Sami and Ej for their transgressions and I am sure I could someday forgive Kristen as well since it is a soap. So she agreed to a sexual favor in exchange for a favor from him?? by your description... Sami is actually a prostitute? Okay...
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It has been 20 years and Jack has regretted his actions to his dying day, for that he shouldn't be grouped with those 3.
I actually agree with this. There is no comparison. Jack physically overpowered Kayla and violently raped her with so much rage while she was helplessly crying and screaming NOOOOO. On the other hand, what happened with Ejami was between two consenting adults making a deal where the woman in question agrees to give sexual favor in exchange for another favor which was granted as promised. No violence involved or drugs involved. A tradeoff as I see it. I have forgiven Jack, Sami and Ej for their transgressions and I am sure I could someday forgive Kristen as well since it is a soap.
So she agreed to a sexual favor in exchange for a favor from him?? by your description... Sami is actually a prostitute? Okay... i really don't like to jump into these but,
all you have to do is go back and watch the scenes. She doesn't want to be with him, in fact she's dry-heaving in terror and crying. By no means was that consensual.
Anyway, that's all I have to say on the matter.
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It has been 20 years and Jack has regretted his actions to his dying day, for that he shouldn't be grouped with those 3.
I actually agree with this. There is no comparison. Jack physically overpowered Kayla and violently raped her with so much rage while she was helplessly crying and screaming NOOOOO. On the other hand, what happened with Ejami was between two consenting adults making a deal where the woman in question agrees to give sexual favor in exchange for another favor which was granted as promised. No violence involved or drugs involved. A tradeoff as I see it. I have forgiven Jack, Sami and Ej for their transgressions and I am sure I could someday forgive Kristen as well since it is a soap.
So she agreed to a sexual favor in exchange for a favor from him?? by your description... Sami is actually a prostitute? Okay... I don't really care what label people put to it, but she did agree to trade sex for EJ's help.
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She didn't offer him sex for his help. He made clear what she'd have to do in order to save Lucas. It wasn't a trade. It was extortion. And sex through extortion is rape. If she's since chosen to forgive that and look past it (given her own less than squeaky clean behavior where sexual crimes are concerned), that's fine. But I don't think what originally happened needs to be whitewashed in order for EJ & Sami to be together.
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She didn't offer him sex for his help. He made clear what she'd have to do in order to save Lucas. It wasn't a trade. It was extortion. And sex through extortion is rape. If she's since chosen to forgive that and look past it (given her own less than squeaky clean behavior where sexual crimes are concerned), that's fine. But I don't think what originally happened needs to be whitewashed in order for EJ & Sami to be together. This is not about white washing anything for EJAMI, they don't need to especially since this is something they have put behind them, but at the same time, there is no need to leave out certain parts of what happened that night. EJ requested sex for HIS help, Sami could have told him to kick rocks and gotten out of that car, EJ was not keeping her there; she chose to accept the terms he offered.
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She didn't offer him sex for his help. He made clear what she'd have to do in order to save Lucas. It wasn't a trade. It was extortion. And sex through extortion is rape. If she's since chosen to forgive that and look past it (given her own less than squeaky clean behavior where sexual crimes are concerned), that's fine. But I don't think what originally happened needs to be whitewashed in order for EJ & Sami to be together.
This is not about white washing anything for EJAMI, they don't need to especially since this is something they have put behind them, but at the same time, there is no need to leave out certain parts of what happened that night. EJ requested sex for HIS help, Sami could have told him to kick rocks and gotten out of that car, EJ was not keeping her there; she chose to accept the terms he offered. There was a gun involved in there somewhere, Sami felt threatened, she couldn't say no because of Lucas' life being in danger (EJ knew this) and the fact that EJ wasn't giving her a choice using any means at his disposal
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Anywhoo... I'm most excited to see Kristen and Nicole's showdown. As much as I want to see Nicole tell Eric where to stick his apology, seeing two fierce women duke it out always beats out everything else in my book. I've always liked their scenes together so I'm literally :cart: at how this could play out. :)
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She didn't offer him sex for his help. He made clear what she'd have to do in order to save Lucas. It wasn't a trade. It was extortion. And sex through extortion is rape. If she's since chosen to forgive that and look past it (given her own less than squeaky clean behavior where sexual crimes are concerned), that's fine. But I don't think what originally happened needs to be whitewashed in order for EJ & Sami to be together.
This is not about white washing anything for EJAMI, they don't need to especially since this is something they have put behind them, but at the same time, there is no need to leave out certain parts of what happened that night. EJ requested sex for HIS help, Sami could have told him to kick rocks and gotten out of that car, EJ was not keeping her there; she chose to accept the terms he offered.
There was a gun involved in there somewhere, Sami felt threatened, she couldn't say no because of Lucas' life being in danger (EJ knew this) and the fact that EJ wasn't giving her a choice using any means at his disposal The gun was to cross the police barrier, it had nothing to do with the deal EJ offered and Sami's acceptance.
Jamaicanbeauty, love your Sleepy Hollow avatar, that hug was one of my favorite parts of the episode last night :wub2:
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Nov 5 2013, 08:59 AM
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She didn't offer him sex for his help. He made clear what she'd have to do in order to save Lucas. It wasn't a trade. It was extortion. And sex through extortion is rape. If she's since chosen to forgive that and look past it (given her own less than squeaky clean behavior where sexual crimes are concerned), that's fine. But I don't think what originally happened needs to be whitewashed in order for EJ & Sami to be together.
This is not about white washing anything for EJAMI, they don't need to especially since this is something they have put behind them, but at the same time, there is no need to leave out certain parts of what happened that night. EJ requested sex for HIS help, Sami could have told him to kick rocks and gotten out of that car, EJ was not keeping her there; she chose to accept the terms he offered.
There was a gun involved in there somewhere, Sami felt threatened, she couldn't say no because of Lucas' life being in danger (EJ knew this) and the fact that EJ wasn't giving her a choice using any means at his disposal
The gun was to cross the police barrier, it had nothing to do with the deal EJ offered and Sami's acceptance. Jamaicanbeauty, love your Sleepy Hollow avatar, that hug was one of my favorite parts of the episode last night :wub2: but it was in the freaking car, HE used it and HE threatened her with it....
Let's be real here...this shit will get spun at just like it did in December of 2006...the MINUTE the scenes aired, it began to get spun as a 'deal'....the show hasn't handled rape in a responsible way and we wonder why the world continues to suffer with people who are raped but never want to report it for fear of not being seen as the victim.
I don't give a flying flip about it anymore...Sami's a prostitute, a whore, a hooker...if she traded sex for anything..that is what she is...I'm fine with that...I don't give a flying leap about the character anymore...she's destroyed beyond belief and as far as I"m concerned Ej can have her....hoping she never decides to trade another favor for sex down the road...lol
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There was a gun involved in there somewhere, Sami felt threatened, she couldn't say no because of Lucas' life being in danger (EJ knew this) and the fact that EJ wasn't giving her a choice using any means at his disposal
The gun was to cross the police barrier, it had nothing to do with the deal EJ offered and Sami's acceptance. Jamaicanbeauty, love your Sleepy Hollow avatar, that hug was one of my favorite parts of the episode last night :wub2:
but it was in the freaking car, HE used it and HE threatened her with it.... Let's be real here...this shit will get spun at just like it did in December of 2006...the MINUTE the scenes aired, it began to get spun as a 'deal'....the show hasn't handled rape in a responsible way and we wonder why the world continues to suffer with people who are raped but never want to report it for fear of not being seen as the victim. I don't give a flying flip about it anymore...Sami's a prostitute, a whore, a hooker...if she traded sex for anything..that is what she is...I'm fine with that...I don't give a flying leap about the character anymore...she's destroyed beyond belief and as far as I"m concerned Ej can have her....hoping she never decides to trade another favor for sex down the road...lol It doesn't matter if it was in the car, it wasn't part of Sami's decision and deal wasn't a word people just brought out to spin it, it was used on the show too.
As for the show treating things responsibly, its pretty sad if one is looking at a soap opera for real life guidance, where murder and a plethora of other crimes are fanwanked away to suit ones purpose.
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Let's see, a man commands you to have sex with him if you want him to help rescue your boyfriend who is going to die unless he gets help, and said man then flashes a gun in your face but no don't worry it's not in any way threatening, and his proposition is nothing more that a great way to get you to like/love him?
Ok.
This is not in any way the makings of great romance these two.
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The gun was to cross the police barrier, it had nothing to do with the deal EJ offered and Sami's acceptance. Jamaicanbeauty, love your Sleepy Hollow avatar, that hug was one of my favorite parts of the episode last night :wub2:
but it was in the freaking car, HE used it and HE threatened her with it.... Let's be real here...this shit will get spun at just like it did in December of 2006...the MINUTE the scenes aired, it began to get spun as a 'deal'....the show hasn't handled rape in a responsible way and we wonder why the world continues to suffer with people who are raped but never want to report it for fear of not being seen as the victim. I don't give a flying flip about it anymore...Sami's a prostitute, a whore, a hooker...if she traded sex for anything..that is what she is...I'm fine with that...I don't give a flying leap about the character anymore...she's destroyed beyond belief and as far as I"m concerned Ej can have her....hoping she never decides to trade another favor for sex down the road...lol
It doesn't matter if it was in the car, it wasn't part of Sami's decision and deal wasn't a word people just brought out to spin it, it was used on the show too. As for the show treating things responsibly, its pretty sad if one is looking at a soap opera for real life guidance, where murder and a plethora of other crimes are fanwanked away to suit ones purpose. and rape was used on the show too....and so was blackmail rape....
unfortunately...teens and young adults are impressionable...and they often look at TV shows and Hollywood for guidance...how many idiots didn't lay themselves on train tracks years ago trying to replicate a scene in a Hollywood movie and unlike the movie they didn't survive....it is what it is.
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but it was in the freaking car, HE used it and HE threatened her with it.... Let's be real here...this shit will get spun at just like it did in December of 2006...the MINUTE the scenes aired, it began to get spun as a 'deal'....the show hasn't handled rape in a responsible way and we wonder why the world continues to suffer with people who are raped but never want to report it for fear of not being seen as the victim. I don't give a flying flip about it anymore...Sami's a prostitute, a whore, a hooker...if she traded sex for anything..that is what she is...I'm fine with that...I don't give a flying leap about the character anymore...she's destroyed beyond belief and as far as I"m concerned Ej can have her....hoping she never decides to trade another favor for sex down the road...lol
It doesn't matter if it was in the car, it wasn't part of Sami's decision and deal wasn't a word people just brought out to spin it, it was used on the show too. As for the show treating things responsibly, its pretty sad if one is looking at a soap opera for real life guidance, where murder and a plethora of other crimes are fanwanked away to suit ones purpose.
and rape was used on the show too....and so was blackmail rape.... unfortunately...teens and young adults are impressionable...and they often look at TV shows and Hollywood for guidance...how many idiots didn't lay themselves on train tracks years ago trying to replicate a scene in a Hollywood movie and unlike the movie they didn't survive....it is what it is. So one doesn't become a spin and the others gospel, all were used.
The show is not responsble for the crazy of this world and should never be held to that standard.
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This is not in any way the makings of great romance these two.
aside from the inaccuracy of the recounting of what happened that night, their fanbase grew tremendously after and held on for seven years. People saw mething they liked with these two that was worth holding onto, everyone obviously have different takes of great romances and what aspects of a relationship to focus on and hold dear.
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It doesn't matter if it was in the car, it wasn't part of Sami's decision and deal wasn't a word people just brought out to spin it, it was used on the show too. As for the show treating things responsibly, its pretty sad if one is looking at a soap opera for real life guidance, where murder and a plethora of other crimes are fanwanked away to suit ones purpose.
and rape was used on the show too....and so was blackmail rape.... unfortunately...teens and young adults are impressionable...and they often look at TV shows and Hollywood for guidance...how many idiots didn't lay themselves on train tracks years ago trying to replicate a scene in a Hollywood movie and unlike the movie they didn't survive....it is what it is.
So one doesn't become a spin and the others gospel, all were used. The show is not responsble for the crazy of this world and should never be held to that standard. It is a bit ignorant to assume there aren't some people who take the stuff they watch on tv as gospel. Yes it's the nature of the industry but I think it would be so much better if they were at least socially responsible with their stories. That's why we salivated at payoff after payoff of bad guys getting caught and being made to pay before the turn of the millenium. Now all we are seeing is the reverse, bad guys are winning and good guys...well who knows what they are, the writing sucks so bad. It's no fun anymore.
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and rape was used on the show too....and so was blackmail rape.... unfortunately...teens and young adults are impressionable...and they often look at TV shows and Hollywood for guidance...how many idiots didn't lay themselves on train tracks years ago trying to replicate a scene in a Hollywood movie and unlike the movie they didn't survive....it is what it is.
So one doesn't become a spin and the others gospel, all were used. The show is not responsble for the crazy of this world and should never be held to that standard.
It is a bit ignorant to assume there aren't some people who take the stuff they watch on tv as gospel. Yes it's the nature of the industry but I think it would be so much better if they were at least socially responsible with their stories. That's why we salivated at payoff after payoff of bad guys getting caught and being made to pay before the turn of the millenium. Now all we are seeingis the reverse, bad guys are winning and good guys...well who knows what they are, the writing sucks so bad. There will never be a shortage of idiots in this world, nothing will change that and personally I am not interested in a soap that uses social responsibility and sending the right message as their guide, and off course there is the hypocrisy that exists when one condones certain acts against the ones we hate, suddenly its not so bad anymore....yeah, pass.
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I have a question....does anyone know when Eric and Nicole actually meet up this week. There is a spoiler for this week that says that he apologizes to Nicole...but it's not showing up in any of the dailies that I could see.
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Anywhoo... I'm most excited to see Kristen and Nicole's showdown. As much as I want to see Nicole tell Eric where to stick his apology, seeing two fierce women duke it out always beats out everything else in my book. I've always liked their scenes together so I'm literally :cart: at how this could play out. :) Yeah, I'm excited for this - it would be good if Eric catches wind of this confrontation leading to Nicole's life hanging in the balance. I'm also excited to see what happens with Kristen's exit. Hopefully it's more interesting than she just decides to leave Salem.
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I have a question....does anyone know when Eric and Nicole actually meet up this week. There is a spoiler for this week that says that he apologizes to Nicole...but it's not showing up in any of the dailies that I could see. I haven't seen anything that shows which day. Based on other spoilers, I'd guess it's toward the latter half of the week - probably Thursday or Friday.
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- crookedhalo
- Nov 4 2013, 04:47 PM
^^she needs more to hold than that leather jacket, so she cuts out his heart and puts in her school box "laughs evilly" If Ciara of the Corn finally snaps, she will hold on to trophies from her kills and cover them with glitter and stickers.
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