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Spoilers for the week of November 11th; *updated 11/4*
Topic Started: Oct 29 2013, 11:41 PM (37,495 Views)
Rosebud
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blueskies
Oct 30 2013, 12:31 PM
the Kristen/Marlena stuff sounds good but seriously it's like they just watched the youtube clips & decided to remake it.
You can say that about a lot of stuff in this story. One being Kristen on her knees at her prematurely ended wedding to Brady.
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lysie


I'm having a hard time getting over the fact that the one time it's appropriate to use Daniel in a scene/story, they choose to use they're other show hog in a way that they've never even bothered to focus on before.
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Lysie is your banner new? :thumbsup:
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Please Kristen before you leave just get rid of that annoying gnat marlena. I need something to be happy about on this show for a short while.
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LuvingLumi
Oct 30 2013, 12:51 PM
I'm here for the brother's fighting! But seriously...this is going to be cray! Brady, Marlena and everyone is going to think that this was all a very willing act, but then check out the spoiler with Victor making an offer to Nicole...I wonder if he actually tells her the truth and then SHE Is the one that clears Eric's name...that he wasn't such a willing participant that she raped him.....I would LOVE Nicole to do that and then look at Eric and leave....I think it's plausible as NIcole and Dan are talking in the days preceding this blow up and as we all know, Dan knows that Eric was drugged....
Eric will be on the other end when everyone thinks he's guilty if breaking his celibacy vows. How will he explain that video? The only thing that doesn't really work in this scenario would be that everyone should know that he was drugged because he was sent to the hospital...
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LanaluvsBroe
Oct 30 2013, 01:56 PM
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Oct 30 2013, 01:41 PM
LuvingLumi
Oct 30 2013, 12:51 PM
I'm here for the brother's fighting! But seriously...this is going to be cray! Brady, Marlena and everyone is going to think that this was all a very willing act, but then check out the spoiler with Victor making an offer to Nicole...I wonder if he actually tells her the truth and then SHE Is the one that clears Eric's name...that he wasn't such a willing participant that she raped him.....I would LOVE Nicole to do that and then look at Eric and leave....I think it's plausible as NIcole and Dan are talking in the days preceding this blow up and as we all know, Dan knows that Eric was drugged....
I imagine it's going to be very hard to clear Eric's name. At least when it comes to having evidence. Kristen edited to video to make it look like it was mutual. Kristen sure as hell isn't going to admit to anything. There is no evidence that Eric was drugged. It will be Eric's word against the very strong visual evidence that the encounter was mutual. And let's face it, Eric has been acting cagey and super tormented for MONTHS. To people like Father Matt, it looks like he sinned and was feeling guilty.
Exactly. And quiet frankly, it will be an ironic turn of events for people to assume the worst of Eric the way he did with Nicole. Although anyone who knows Eric should have every reason to believe that he was raped. I mean it's Kristen. Lying is second nature to her.
But In the video Eric looks very into it and people seeing that are going to have a hard time getting those images out if their minds and trying to believe he was being raped--even if drugged.
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Ophelia
Oct 30 2013, 02:23 PM
Well, here's my line of thinking (since I realized that I didn't complete it) -- once the sex tape comes out, there may be some consequences in terms of Eric's vocation. I don't have the slightest idea how the Catholic Church operates in terms of priests and sex (and maybe someone can clarify this), but it may be such a thing that a sex tape might prompt some sort of an inquiry. If Eric gets in a position that he has to prove he was raped, I'm not sure he can. There are plenty of suspicions and people who believe he was, but there's little in the way of actual proof. He can call witnesses, but the blood tests will show nothing, the physical evidence is gone, and he seems to be enjoying himself on the tape. It will be an interesting turn if Nicole has to testify on his behalf since his accusation is (so far) the only pre-reveal verbalization of what happened.
But how do they explain him being so sick? Daniel couldn't find any reason for his illness; not any drug or bacteria like e-coli poisoning. He did every kind of test there was.
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You know what would be a good way for everyone to realize Kristen did rape Eric and prove that she covertly got that room next to his, would be if one of Sami's daughters found Kristen's disguise in the dimansion and put it on (playing dress up), then walked into a room at the dimansion where say Eric and Abe and others are accusing Kristen of rape. The kid would say she found the wig etc in Kristen's closet, and Eric would have a eureka moment, remembering the French woman at the hotel.
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Someone on another page in this thread mentioned guilt making him sick as a plausible reason, but people who don't believe Eric can just as easily cite the lack of evidence of a poisoning as proof that he wasn't. If they go that route, he's going to be in the position that many rape victims are in IRL. A lack of definitive proof of rape often equals disbelief that it happened.

I get what you're saying. People should believe him, especially those who saw how sick he was (and continued to be), but not everyone will.
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crookedhalo
Oct 30 2013, 04:20 PM
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Oct 30 2013, 03:10 PM
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Oct 30 2013, 02:40 PM
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Oct 30 2013, 02:20 PM

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But they can't tell if he was drugged or took some drugs himself. Hey, maybe Theresa and her "sex drug" will tie into this. What Theresa took and what Kristen gave Eric sounds very similar. Whatever Kristen gave him made him super horny. The only difference being that Kristen's doctor added a masking agent and a memory eraser.
Actually it's plausible for people to question WHY Eric was sick....let's face it...when people do something wrong or a stressful situation comes upon them, even when they aren't drugged their nerves can do a number on them and them sick. So Eric being a priest and potentially breaking his vows willingly would certainly be grounds for him feeling sick to his stomach. I would actually love for everyone in Salem to start to doubt Eric and his claim that he didn't do this willingly...and then have someone accuse him of taking the same drug that Theresa took. Maybe even Daniel wonders if Eric might have taken something that had this reaction and that someone didn't 'drug' him. I think that would be a good twist to the story.....and these circumstances along with him doubting Nicole and accusing her of doing something horrible is what firmly leads him to leave the church after his name is cleared...

You know what I would LOVE, for the show to tackle the catholic priesthood celibacy issue head on...and have Eric go from being a catholic priest to another Christian denomination minister...that way he can still devote his life to God, but he can also have his wife, and kids....that would be a great story....they can even do a storyline where they would build a Protestant Church or something.....there is no way in hell that only St. Lukes exists in Salem....time to diversify.
I disagree about Daniel I think the two people that will back up and stand strong beside Eric will be Daniel & Nicole. Daniel has watched Eric go nuts over trying to figure out the truth, I just don't think Daniel will doubt Eric. Brady is a dumbass, because his brain has been pickled by Kristen. I, also think, Sami will believe her brother.

Hopefully Daniel will also recall how Kristian was always SO interested in him being Eric's doctor, but probably not the tan absorbed into his brain long time ago.
It'll be interesting to see who believes Eric when he denies willingly having sex with Kristen.
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Laufeyson
Oct 30 2013, 12:57 AM
Okay, I like this. I'm desperate for some movement
Desperate isn't the word. :hail: I hope Brady goes right for the heroin this time. None of this "weed" like J.J. Because nobody ever heard of a kid smoking WEED @ 18. And it is practically legal. So silly. And it would be fun if Maggie fell off the wagon and her high horse, too. Love to see her drunk and making an ass of herself in that new nightclub.
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LanaluvsBroe
Oct 31 2013, 05:59 AM
Laufeyson
Oct 30 2013, 11:25 PM
Nicole actually didn't believe what Eric was saying. She didn't consider that someone (Kristen) raped him for real. These writers are just dumb. She should've been the first to realise what had went down with Eric but because of his accusation, she knew he was wrong and sadly she assumed he was completely wrong.
I don't know about that. Towards the end of their conversation he reiterated what happened to him and she said "but not with me". It came off to me that she believes that his memories are real with the exception of the identity of the woman in his memories. How it hasn't occurred to anyone that Kristen could be behind what happened to Eric baffles me. He's a Brady and Marlena's son, she's a DiMera who at the time of the crime was recently dumped by Brady because Marlena exposed her.....2+2 =....
Plus, Nicole knows there was another woman who interacted with Eric at the hotel.... AND Eric accused Nicole of wearing a dark wig, so Nicole should consider that that woman was Kristen in disguise.
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No1_ILoveLucyFan
Oct 31 2013, 08:00 AM
I just hope we get to see Marlena holding a picture of Brady & Kristen, smashing it against the table screaming "This is what's left of Brady and Kristen!" over and over...cause that'd just bring the whole dumped-by-the-father-and-by-the-son thing full-circle. :popcorn:
That would be funny!
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Graceland
Oct 31 2013, 10:21 AM
So Kristen might be the one who let's Eric be with Nicole if he leaves the priesthood over this.

Kristen = life coach, matchmaker.
LOL she does have a way of getting folks together, doesn't she? Course in John and Marlena's case she merely prolonged the inevitable :blulaugh:
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Ophelia
Oct 31 2013, 02:10 PM
Someone on another page in this thread mentioned guilt making him sick as a plausible reason, but people who don't believe Eric can just as easily cite the lack of evidence of a poisoning as proof that he wasn't. If they go that route, he's going to be in the position that many rape victims are in IRL. A lack of definitive proof of rape often equals disbelief that it happened.

I get what you're saying. People should believe him, especially those who saw how sick he was (and continued to be), but not everyone will.
The sickness by guilt doesn't really work, IMO. He had a very high fever. Can guilt cause your body to get a high fever? Maybe only if you're a priest :blulaugh:
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Rosebud
Oct 31 2013, 02:38 PM
Ophelia
Oct 31 2013, 02:10 PM
Someone on another page in this thread mentioned guilt making him sick as a plausible reason, but people who don't believe Eric can just as easily cite the lack of evidence of a poisoning as proof that he wasn't. If they go that route, he's going to be in the position that many rape victims are in IRL. A lack of definitive proof of rape often equals disbelief that it happened.

I get what you're saying. People should believe him, especially those who saw how sick he was (and continued to be), but not everyone will.
The sickness by guilt doesn't really work, IMO. He had a very high fever. Can guilt cause your body to get a high fever? Maybe only if you're a priest :blulaugh:
Well, it wasn't my suggestion so maybe the OP can chime in, but I will say that I do get a fever from anxiety. An actual fever and immune system response.

Either way people who don't support Eric could say that the tests Dan ran just didn't find the cause of his illness and not that he didn't have one.

The arguments all hinge on doubt. Short of concrete proof, public or private opinion is going to swing based on what the person chooses to believe. There just isn't any concrete proof that Eric was raped nor is there proof that he willingly had sex with his brother's fiancee.
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Rosebud
Oct 31 2013, 01:50 PM
LanaluvsBroe
Oct 30 2013, 01:56 PM
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Oct 30 2013, 01:41 PM
LuvingLumi
Oct 30 2013, 12:51 PM
I'm here for the brother's fighting! But seriously...this is going to be cray! Brady, Marlena and everyone is going to think that this was all a very willing act, but then check out the spoiler with Victor making an offer to Nicole...I wonder if he actually tells her the truth and then SHE Is the one that clears Eric's name...that he wasn't such a willing participant that she raped him.....I would LOVE Nicole to do that and then look at Eric and leave....I think it's plausible as NIcole and Dan are talking in the days preceding this blow up and as we all know, Dan knows that Eric was drugged....
I imagine it's going to be very hard to clear Eric's name. At least when it comes to having evidence. Kristen edited to video to make it look like it was mutual. Kristen sure as hell isn't going to admit to anything. There is no evidence that Eric was drugged. It will be Eric's word against the very strong visual evidence that the encounter was mutual. And let's face it, Eric has been acting cagey and super tormented for MONTHS. To people like Father Matt, it looks like he sinned and was feeling guilty.
Exactly. And quiet frankly, it will be an ironic turn of events for people to assume the worst of Eric the way he did with Nicole. Although anyone who knows Eric should have every reason to believe that he was raped. I mean it's Kristen. Lying is second nature to her.
But In the video Eric looks very into it and people seeing that are going to have a hard time getting those images out if their minds and trying to believe he was being raped--even if drugged.
she edited the hell out of the thing, but a good I.T. guy/gal could discover that
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crookedhalo
Oct 31 2013, 03:25 PM
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Oct 31 2013, 01:50 PM
LanaluvsBroe
Oct 30 2013, 01:56 PM
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Oct 30 2013, 01:41 PM

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Exactly. And quiet frankly, it will be an ironic turn of events for people to assume the worst of Eric the way he did with Nicole. Although anyone who knows Eric should have every reason to believe that he was raped. I mean it's Kristen. Lying is second nature to her.
But In the video Eric looks very into it and people seeing that are going to have a hard time getting those images out if their minds and trying to believe he was being raped--even if drugged.
she edited the hell out of the thing, but a good I.T. guy/gal could discover that
Maybe one of Rafe's FBI friends can check the video for editing. I don't believe for a second that the girl who edited it left no trace of her work.
Edited by LanaluvsBroe, Oct 31 2013, 03:43 PM.
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Ophelia
Oct 31 2013, 03:25 PM
Rosebud
Oct 31 2013, 02:38 PM
Ophelia
Oct 31 2013, 02:10 PM
Someone on another page in this thread mentioned guilt making him sick as a plausible reason, but people who don't believe Eric can just as easily cite the lack of evidence of a poisoning as proof that he wasn't. If they go that route, he's going to be in the position that many rape victims are in IRL. A lack of definitive proof of rape often equals disbelief that it happened.

I get what you're saying. People should believe him, especially those who saw how sick he was (and continued to be), but not everyone will.
The sickness by guilt doesn't really work, IMO. He had a very high fever. Can guilt cause your body to get a high fever? Maybe only if you're a priest :blulaugh:
Well, it wasn't my suggestion so maybe the OP can chime in, but I will say that I do get a fever from anxiety. An actual fever and immune system response.

Either way people who don't support Eric could say that the tests Dan ran just didn't find the cause of his illness and not that he didn't have one.

The arguments all hinge on doubt. Short of concrete proof, public or private opinion is going to swing based on what the person chooses to believe. There just isn't any concrete proof that Eric was raped nor is there proof that he willingly had sex with his brother's fiancee.
Well, in that case, that stupid Dr. Dan, he should have had Eric see someone for possible anxiety attack, instead of presuming he had no possible reason for Eric's illness. BTW, sorry that happens to you, sounds awful.

And there isn't concrete proof yet... it could pop up some how some where. You know this show...
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crookedhalo
Oct 31 2013, 03:25 PM
Rosebud
Oct 31 2013, 01:50 PM
LanaluvsBroe
Oct 30 2013, 01:56 PM
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Oct 30 2013, 01:41 PM

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Exactly. And quiet frankly, it will be an ironic turn of events for people to assume the worst of Eric the way he did with Nicole. Although anyone who knows Eric should have every reason to believe that he was raped. I mean it's Kristen. Lying is second nature to her.
But In the video Eric looks very into it and people seeing that are going to have a hard time getting those images out if their minds and trying to believe he was being raped--even if drugged.
she edited the hell out of the thing, but a good I.T. guy/gal could discover that
Very true!!! It would be nice if someone in Salem would think to do that.
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