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GMAB. They are not "like family". The writers simply decided to pretend they weren't when they wanted to pair them. Shawn didn't call Marlena Aunt because his parents were close to Marlena. She was literally his aunt. Divorce doesn't stop aunt from being aunt. Shawn and Belle are a great example of two characters who never should have been paired based on history and story, but actor chemistry and producer demands made it happen anyway.
WELL SAID! I never even saw the supposed chemistry, LOL They paired them because some lame producer (probably Ken Corday, who thought it was brilliant to soras Brady and Belle after J&M's marriage) thought it was oh so perfect that Bope and J&M's children should become the golden couple. GMAB :eyeroll:
I didn't hate that era as it was airing, but looking back I think that time period is actually what did the most damage to the show. Between the SORASing and the focus on a crowd 10 years younger than it should have been, the show just never recovered. THAT is actually when Sami's age group should have been the leads, not now. They threw everything off generationally, and we're still paying for it.
I couldn't agree more with this. What made it even worse is how the Salem High set (Belle, Shawn, Philip, Chloe) took over the show at times, such as the Tropical Temptation summer in Puerto Rico. And if they had kept Belle, Philip and Brady at their natural ages they would be about 20 right now in Abby's age group, thus just starting to have serious relationships with weddings a few years down the road. The rapid aging of Brady, Philip, and Belle has left a gap in that age cohort. And Shawn is really about 6 years older than Belle.
You know what's kind of funny? I found the rapid aging of Belle and Brady to be very jarring and it took me a really long time to get used to it. But I haven't had that period of adjustment with JJ. Maybe it's because his character hasn't been on screen in about 6 years.
I didn't hate that era as it was airing, but looking back I think that time period is actually what did the most damage to the show. Between the SORASing and the focus on a crowd 10 years younger than it should have been, the show just never recovered. THAT is actually when Sami's age group should have been the leads, not now. They threw everything off generationally, and we're still paying for it.
Oh, for a world when Abigail and Brady (both born in 1992) and Philip and Will (both born in 1995) were the same age and EJ was younger than them (born in 1997). The show used to be able to SORAS, even extremely, with an even hand. They at least aged generations together. Much as I love Casey Moss, JJ was born in 2004. No one else from that generation has aged and it bugs me. I love watching Lauren Boles and would love to see her, as Christie Clark did, grow up and into the role. The choice to age JJ was a sensible story move and he is such a find, but now his generational peers are still children.
At least with JJ we didn't see a whole lot of him as a baby. So it's not like we have all these memories of him playing with Ciara and Theo and now he's all of a sudden an adult.
Very true.
Also, how was Shawn de-SORASed? I keep hearing people say this, but in 1999, when Cook came, Shawn should have been twelve and I always saw his predecessor as about 13-14, maybe 15. Cook came and he was 16/17. Am I just remembering falsely?
I didn't mind the rapid aging of that group into teens, but I do think it's strange that Days shipped them all off and hasn't looked back. There's a huge gap in the canvas between people in their early 20s and people in their mid to late 30s that Days doesn't seem to care to fill.
Oh, for a world when Abigail and Brady (both born in 1992) and Philip and Will (both born in 1995) were the same age and EJ was younger than them (born in 1997). The show used to be able to SORAS, even extremely, with an even hand. They at least aged generations together. Much as I love Casey Moss, JJ was born in 2004. No one else from that generation has aged and it bugs me. I love watching Lauren Boles and would love to see her, as Christie Clark did, grow up and into the role. The choice to age JJ was a sensible story move and he is such a find, but now his generational peers are still children.
At least with JJ we didn't see a whole lot of him as a baby. So it's not like we have all these memories of him playing with Ciara and Theo and now he's all of a sudden an adult.
Very true.
Also, how was Shawn de-SORASed? I keep hearing people say this, but in 1999, when Cook came, Shawn should have been twelve and I always saw his predecessor as about 13-14, maybe 15. Cook came and he was 16/17. Am I just remembering falsely?
No, you're not. Shawn was never desoarased.
Rosebud
Nov 2 2013, 03:51 PM
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Nov 2 2013, 09:22 AM
Rosebud
Nov 1 2013, 07:48 PM
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Nov 1 2013, 05:19 PM
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It erased history, IMO... Like the fact that they shared the same grandparents. I'll never forget that episode where KS's Belle walked into the pub after being sorased and said to Caroline: Hi, Mrs. Brady!:soapbox:
That didn't stop due to the sorasing. It stopped due to the characters getting paired together, which is a separate issue. As an example of what I mean - back in the late 90s or early 2000s, Kate had something going with Carly's son Nicholas, who was in his late 20s or 30s. A couple of years ago, Days brought Nicholas back and he was in his early 20s. Because he's been made so young again, Days can't ever refer to that pairing again.
It stopped because they desorased ShawnD and sorased Belle to be paired together, so it erased that part of their history for both reasons. It's not a separate issue at all. They had to change their ages in order to pair them up. When Belle was a baby, Shawn D had been aged to about 9. You couldn't pair them without erasing history and changing their ages.
Just look at ShawnD in this cast photo where Belle wasn't even born yet.
I was watching the show before the sorasing happened, so no need for photographic evidence of that. :) It's beside the point that I'm making, though, which is that they could have both been aged without erasing their history. It happens all the time, most recently with JJ.
GMAB. They are not "like family". The writers simply decided to pretend they weren't when they wanted to pair them. Shawn didn't call Marlena Aunt because his parents were close to Marlena. She was literally his aunt. Divorce doesn't stop aunt from being aunt. Shawn and Belle are a great example of two characters who never should have been paired based on history and story, but actor chemistry and producer demands made it happen anyway.
WELL SAID! I never even saw the supposed chemistry, LOL They paired them because some lame producer (probably Ken Corday, who thought it was brilliant to soras Brady and Belle after J&M's marriage) thought it was oh so perfect that Bope and J&M's children should become the golden couple. GMAB :eyeroll:
I didn't hate that era as it was airing, but looking back I think that time period is actually what did the most damage to the show. Between the SORASing and the focus on a crowd 10 years younger than it should have been, the show just never recovered. THAT is actually when Sami's age group should have been the leads, not now. They threw everything off generationally, and we're still paying for it.
I couldn't agree more with this. What made it even worse is how the Salem High set (Belle, Shawn, Philip, Chloe) took over the show at times, such as the Tropical Temptation summer in Puerto Rico. And if they had kept Belle, Philip and Brady at their natural ages they would be about 20 right now in Abby's age group, thus just starting to have serious relationships with weddings a few years down the road. The rapid aging of Brady, Philip, and Belle has left a gap in that age cohort. And Shawn is really about 6 years older than Belle.
You know what's kind of funny? I found the rapid aging of Belle and Brady to be very jarring and it took me a really long time to get used to it. But I haven't had that period of adjustment with JJ. Maybe it's because his character hasn't been on screen in about 6 years.
Yep, I think the big problem with the aging of Brady and Belle was...
A. As babies and toddlers and children they both aged at a relatively normal rate so the audience became accustomed to them being a family/siblings (even though J&M were not together).
B. By the time John and Marlena got married, fans were going to finally have them be that family together that we waited so long for, then the rug was pulled out from under us. Even though J&M lived together for a couple years with B&B and we did get to see them all in scenes together, it's not the same as them being a real (married) family.
C. Going from John and Marlena's wedding, where B&B were about 7 & 4, to them coming back from their honeymoon where suddenly B&B were teenagers was just too abrupt and shocking for viewers. They literally aged ten years in a Salem month. We never got to see them in that age of 9 - 13. They could have aged them but not as much as they did. Corday was just way too eager to age them.
And in an unrelated point... When they aged Brady they destroyed any and all affection I had for that little precious boy by making him the biggest asshole ever and rewriting or recreating a history with J&M that was ridiculous and contrived.
GMAB. They are not "like family". The writers simply decided to pretend they weren't when they wanted to pair them. Shawn didn't call Marlena Aunt because his parents were close to Marlena. She was literally his aunt. Divorce doesn't stop aunt from being aunt. Shawn and Belle are a great example of two characters who never should have been paired based on history and story, but actor chemistry and producer demands made it happen anyway.
Sorry I'm not pretending everyone does things the way that your family does them. If someone is your aunt through marriage and the marriage dissolves, the other relationships dissolve, too. She isn't your uncle's wife, or your grandparents' daughter in law, or your aunt anymore. You are of course, free to keep considering your uncles ex wife your aunt if that's what the two of you want to do, because she still feels like family, but it's not wrong if you don't. And you don't have to consider her kids, who aren't related to you, to be your cousins.
Sami was Abby and JJ's aunt. She isn't anymore and when we see Abby and Sami in scenes, Abby isn't calling her "Aunt Sami" because they were never close enough for the title to outlast the marriage.
Never said it was how my family did it. And I certainly think in the case of Marlena, the relationship would have remained, especially given how the Bradys continued to consider her one of the family throughout the 90s. Its true that there are marriages that dissolve where that relationship never really continues, but in the small town mindset that Salem would have? Unlikely. Also, in the case of Sami, she was married to Lucas for all of two seconds. They were not married long enough for a sister's kids to develop an aunt relationship with Sami. Again you make a fair point - the title wouldn't outlast the marriage. In the case of Marlena and Bo and Hope, that simply has never been written to be the case until it was convenient. In fact, the presence of the John/Gina stuff happening around the SORASing almost makes it feel more incestuous to me. Zach didn't end up being John's - but he easily could have and then Belle and Shawn would have been half-siblings through Zach. The closeness of the Bo/Hope and John/Marlena relationship warranted Shawn calling her aunt when Cook's incarnation began (which was my original point) and it will never make sense to me that he didn't consider Belle and Brady (who he has a DIRECT blood tie to through Bo and Victor) cousins.
It erased history, IMO... Like the fact that they shared the same grandparents. I'll never forget that episode where KS's Belle walked into the pub after being sorased and said to Caroline: Hi, Mrs. Brady!:soapbox:
That didn't stop due to the sorasing. It stopped due to the characters getting paired together, which is a separate issue. As an example of what I mean - back in the late 90s or early 2000s, Kate had something going with Carly's son Nicholas, who was in his late 20s or 30s. A couple of years ago, Days brought Nicholas back and he was in his early 20s. Because he's been made so young again, Days can't ever refer to that pairing again.
It stopped because they desorased ShawnD and sorased Belle to be paired together, so it erased that part of their history for both reasons. It's not a separate issue at all. They had to change their ages in order to pair them up. When Belle was a baby, Shawn D had been aged to about 9. You couldn't pair them without erasing history and changing their ages.
Just look at ShawnD in this cast photo where Belle wasn't even born yet.
GMAB. They are not "like family". The writers simply decided to pretend they weren't when they wanted to pair them. Shawn didn't call Marlena Aunt because his parents were close to Marlena. She was literally his aunt. Divorce doesn't stop aunt from being aunt. Shawn and Belle are a great example of two characters who never should have been paired based on history and story, but actor chemistry and producer demands made it happen anyway.
WELL SAID! I never even saw the supposed chemistry, LOL They paired them because some lame producer (probably Ken Corday, who thought it was brilliant to soras Brady and Belle after J&M's marriage) thought it was oh so perfect that Bope and J&M's children should become the golden couple. GMAB :eyeroll:
I didn't hate that era as it was airing, but looking back I think that time period is actually what did the most damage to the show. Between the SORASing and the focus on a crowd 10 years younger than it should have been, the show just never recovered. THAT is actually when Sami's age group should have been the leads, not now. They threw everything off generationally, and we're still paying for it.
I couldn't agree more with this. What made it even worse is how the Salem High set (Belle, Shawn, Philip, Chloe) took over the show at times, such as the Tropical Temptation summer in Puerto Rico. And if they had kept Belle, Philip and Brady at their natural ages they would be about 20 right now in Abby's age group, thus just starting to have serious relationships with weddings a few years down the road. The rapid aging of Brady, Philip, and Belle has left a gap in that age cohort. And Shawn is really about 6 years older than Belle.
You know what's kind of funny? I found the rapid aging of Belle and Brady to be very jarring and it took me a really long time to get used to it. But I haven't had that period of adjustment with JJ. Maybe it's because his character hasn't been on screen in about 6 years.
Here is one example of a scene between little Belle and Philip. Belle was a year older than Philip. Philip was born while Marlena was possessed in 1994. It wasn't so unusual for them to be paired up when they were older. It made more sense than she and Shawn since he was actually 6 years older than her before SORASing. I thought it was a cute little scene. :)
Here is a clip of the end of Marlena's possession. This is a perfect example of how close Marlena was with Maggie and everyone. And it even shows a young Shawn-D saying "Belle has her mom back..." He was like 9 here, and before Collin O'Donnell took over the role. Belle was just a baby! :OhMy:
They should have made Belle, Abby, Philip, and Brady friends because they were all so close together in age. Instead, they SORASed Belle, Brady, and Philip and leave Abby the same age! I mean Abby was born when Isabella died. Will was born after Marlena's possession. I don't know what Tom Langan and company was thinking when they aged them, it completely messed up the ages of everyone on the show! :facepalm: All so they could have their precious "Shelle" their "golden" couple. Gag me! :yuk:
Sorry I'm not pretending everyone does things the way that your family does them. If someone is your aunt through marriage and the marriage dissolves, the other relationships dissolve, too. She isn't your uncle's wife, or your grandparents' daughter in law, or your aunt anymore. You are of course, free to keep considering your uncles ex wife your aunt if that's what the two of you want to do, because she still feels like family, but it's not wrong if you don't. And you don't have to consider her kids, who aren't related to you, to be your cousins.
Sami was Abby and JJ's aunt. She isn't anymore and when we see Abby and Sami in scenes, Abby isn't calling her "Aunt Sami" because they were never close enough for the title to outlast the marriage.
Never said it was how my family did it. And I certainly think in the case of Marlena, the relationship would have remained, especially given how the Bradys continued to consider her one of the family throughout the 90s. Its true that there are marriages that dissolve where that relationship never really continues, but in the small town mindset that Salem would have? Unlikely. Also, in the case of Sami, she was married to Lucas for all of two seconds. They were not married long enough for a sister's kids to develop an aunt relationship with Sami. Again you make a fair point - the title wouldn't outlast the marriage. In the case of Marlena and Bo and Hope, that simply has never been written to be the case until it was convenient. In fact, the presence of the John/Gina stuff happening around the SORASing almost makes it feel more incestuous to me. Zach didn't end up being John's - but he easily could have and then Belle and Shawn would have been half-siblings through Zach. The closeness of the Bo/Hope and John/Marlena relationship warranted Shawn calling her aunt when Cook's incarnation began (which was my original point) and it will never make sense to me that he didn't consider Belle and Brady (who he has a DIRECT blood tie to through Bo and Victor) cousins.
No, you didn't, but your post did make it sound like the idea that someone wouldn't consider their uncle's ex wife family was unheard of. Again, I could see where this would all be too close for comfort for some people, but I personally wouldn't have considered Belle and Shawn half siblings, or to be any other sort of relative if they shared a brother. And that's not because I'm a shelle apologist or something - even in real life, I don't see myself as being related to my half brother's brothers, just because we have a relative in common. And while it's not exactly the same, I didn't think Bo/Billie, Lucas/Sami and Carrie/Austin needed to reevaluate where they stood when Philip/The Alien twins arrived/their parents got married.
Even with taking Salem's small town mindset into account, I could still easily believe that shelle didn't think of each other as cousins. I wouldn't protest if they did, but I don't think it's a certainty that they would, although I do get why someone else would see it differently.
The difference is those couples didn't spend years and years being family, sharing family, with Rex and Cassie, unlike the way Shawn and Belle spent years on screen sharing the same grandparents and acting as cousins. I can't image Belle growing up with Sami and Carrie and Eric as siblings who are cousins with Shawn and her not also considering him her cousin. And Shawn not seeing Belle as a cousin. Why would he separate her out of that mix?
Oh, for a world when Abigail and Brady (both born in 1992) and Philip and Will (both born in 1995) were the same age and EJ was younger than them (born in 1997). The show used to be able to SORAS, even extremely, with an even hand. They at least aged generations together. Much as I love Casey Moss, JJ was born in 2004. No one else from that generation has aged and it bugs me. I love watching Lauren Boles and would love to see her, as Christie Clark did, grow up and into the role. The choice to age JJ was a sensible story move and he is such a find, but now his generational peers are still children.
At least with JJ we didn't see a whole lot of him as a baby. So it's not like we have all these memories of him playing with Ciara and Theo and now he's all of a sudden an adult.
Very true.
Also, how was Shawn de-SORASed? I keep hearing people say this, but in 1999, when Cook came, Shawn should have been twelve and I always saw his predecessor as about 13-14, maybe 15. Cook came and he was 16/17. Am I just remembering falsely?
I am going by the way ShawnD was about 9 or 10 when Belle was a baby. See my post where I posted the cast photo from about 1993. Scott Groff played SD as that 9 yr old and Belle wasn't born yet. Groff was still around when Belle was a baby then a toddler. They desorased him to make him Belle's age to pair them as teens.
I didn't hate that era as it was airing, but looking back I think that time period is actually what did the most damage to the show. Between the SORASing and the focus on a crowd 10 years younger than it should have been, the show just never recovered. THAT is actually when Sami's age group should have been the leads, not now. They threw everything off generationally, and we're still paying for it.
I couldn't agree more with this. What made it even worse is how the Salem High set (Belle, Shawn, Philip, Chloe) took over the show at times, such as the Tropical Temptation summer in Puerto Rico. And if they had kept Belle, Philip and Brady at their natural ages they would be about 20 right now in Abby's age group, thus just starting to have serious relationships with weddings a few years down the road. The rapid aging of Brady, Philip, and Belle has left a gap in that age cohort. And Shawn is really about 6 years older than Belle.
You know what's kind of funny? I found the rapid aging of Belle and Brady to be very jarring and it took me a really long time to get used to it. But I haven't had that period of adjustment with JJ. Maybe it's because his character hasn't been on screen in about 6 years.
Yep, I think the big problem with the aging of Brady and Belle was...
A. As babies and toddlers and children they both aged at a relatively normal rate so the audience became accustomed to them being a family/siblings (even though J&M were not together).
B. By the time John and Marlena got married, fans were going to finally have them be that family together that we waited so long for, then the rug was pulled out from under us. Even though J&M lived together for a couple years with B&B and we did get to see them all in scenes together, it's not the same as them being a real (married) family.
C. Going from John and Marlena's wedding, where B&B were about 7 & 4, to them coming back from their honeymoon where suddenly B&B were teenagers was just too abrupt and shocking for viewers. They literally aged ten years in a Salem month. We never got to see them in that age of 9 - 13. They could have aged them but not as much as they did. Corday was just way too eager to age them.
And in an unrelated point... When they aged Brady they destroyed and and all affection I had for that little precious boy by making him the biggest asshole ever and rewriting or recreating a history with J&M that was ridiculous and contrived.
GMAB. They are not "like family". The writers simply decided to pretend they weren't when they wanted to pair them. Shawn didn't call Marlena Aunt because his parents were close to Marlena. She was literally his aunt. Divorce doesn't stop aunt from being aunt. Shawn and Belle are a great example of two characters who never should have been paired based on history and story, but actor chemistry and producer demands made it happen anyway.
WELL SAID! I never even saw the supposed chemistry, LOL They paired them because some lame producer (probably Ken Corday, who thought it was brilliant to soras Brady and Belle after J&M's marriage) thought it was oh so perfect that Bope and J&M's children should become the golden couple. GMAB :eyeroll:
I didn't hate that era as it was airing, but looking back I think that time period is actually what did the most damage to the show. Between the SORASing and the focus on a crowd 10 years younger than it should have been, the show just never recovered. THAT is actually when Sami's age group should have been the leads, not now. They threw everything off generationally, and we're still paying for it.
Oh, for a world when Abigail and Brady (both born in 1992) and Philip and Will (both born in 1995) were the same age and EJ was younger than them (born in 1997). The show used to be able to SORAS, even extremely, with an even hand. They at least aged generations together. Much as I love Casey Moss, JJ was born in 2004. No one else from that generation has aged and it bugs me. I love watching Lauren Boles and would love to see her, as Christie Clark did, grow up and into the role. The choice to age JJ was a sensible story move and he is such a find, but now his generational peers are still children.
It's also confusing that they have thrown Jeannie Theresa into the mix since she was born before Abby, Brady, Belle, Philip, and EJ. If they ever bring Andrew Donovan back it would be even more of a mess because how would they explain the entire history with Victor. A huge part of Victor wanting custody of Andrew was that Victor had no children and thought he would never have an heir. But since any Andrew the show might cast would likely be younger than Philip and Brady (Victor's grandson), it makes a mess of that history.
At least with JJ we didn't see a whole lot of him as a baby. So it's not like we have all these memories of him playing with Ciara and Theo and now he's all of a sudden an adult.
Very true.
Also, how was Shawn de-SORASed? I keep hearing people say this, but in 1999, when Cook came, Shawn should have been twelve and I always saw his predecessor as about 13-14, maybe 15. Cook came and he was 16/17. Am I just remembering falsely?
No, you're not. Shawn was never desoarased.
Rosebud
Nov 2 2013, 03:51 PM
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Nov 2 2013, 09:22 AM
Rosebud
Nov 1 2013, 07:48 PM
Quoting limited to 4 levels deepHi, Mrs. Brady!:soapbox:
That didn't stop due to the sorasing. It stopped due to the characters getting paired together, which is a separate issue. As an example of what I mean - back in the late 90s or early 2000s, Kate had something going with Carly's son Nicholas, who was in his late 20s or 30s. A couple of years ago, Days brought Nicholas back and he was in his early 20s. Because he's been made so young again, Days can't ever refer to that pairing again.
It stopped because they desorased ShawnD and sorased Belle to be paired together, so it erased that part of their history for both reasons. It's not a separate issue at all. They had to change their ages in order to pair them up. When Belle was a baby, Shawn D had been aged to about 9. You couldn't pair them without erasing history and changing their ages.
Just look at ShawnD in this cast photo where Belle wasn't even born yet.
I was watching the show before the sorasing happened, so no need for photographic evidence of that. :) It's beside the point that I'm making, though, which is that they could have both been aged without erasing their history. It happens all the time, most recently with JJ.
And Shawn wasn't desorased.
JJ barely has a history, LOL
So, even if you don't go by the Scott Groff version of ShawnD being about 8 or 9 before Belle was born, didn't the Cook and KS versions go to high school together? How does that happen unless you make ShawnD younger than he used to be--even going by their actual birth dates on the show, SD is 6 years older than Belle.
Quoting limited to 4 levels deepHi, Mrs. Brady!:soapbox:
That didn't stop due to the sorasing. It stopped due to the characters getting paired together, which is a separate issue. As an example of what I mean - back in the late 90s or early 2000s, Kate had something going with Carly's son Nicholas, who was in his late 20s or 30s. A couple of years ago, Days brought Nicholas back and he was in his early 20s. Because he's been made so young again, Days can't ever refer to that pairing again.
It stopped because they desorased ShawnD and sorased Belle to be paired together, so it erased that part of their history for both reasons. It's not a separate issue at all. They had to change their ages in order to pair them up. When Belle was a baby, Shawn D had been aged to about 9. You couldn't pair them without erasing history and changing their ages.
Just look at ShawnD in this cast photo where Belle wasn't even born yet.
I didn't hate that era as it was airing, but looking back I think that time period is actually what did the most damage to the show. Between the SORASing and the focus on a crowd 10 years younger than it should have been, the show just never recovered. THAT is actually when Sami's age group should have been the leads, not now. They threw everything off generationally, and we're still paying for it.
I couldn't agree more with this. What made it even worse is how the Salem High set (Belle, Shawn, Philip, Chloe) took over the show at times, such as the Tropical Temptation summer in Puerto Rico. And if they had kept Belle, Philip and Brady at their natural ages they would be about 20 right now in Abby's age group, thus just starting to have serious relationships with weddings a few years down the road. The rapid aging of Brady, Philip, and Belle has left a gap in that age cohort. And Shawn is really about 6 years older than Belle.
You know what's kind of funny? I found the rapid aging of Belle and Brady to be very jarring and it took me a really long time to get used to it. But I haven't had that period of adjustment with JJ. Maybe it's because his character hasn't been on screen in about 6 years.
Here is one example of a scene between little Belle and Philip. Belle was a year older than Philip. Philip was born while Marlena was possessed in 1994. It wasn't so unusual for them to be paired up when they were older. It made more sense than she and Shawn since he was actually 6 years older than her before SORASing. I thought it was a cute little scene. :)
Here is a clip of the end of Marlena's possession. This is a perfect example of how close Marlena was with Maggie and everyone. And it even shows a young Shawn-D saying "Belle has her mom back..." He was like 9 here, and before Collin O'Donnell took over the role. Belle was just a baby! :OhMy:
They should have made Belle, Abby, Philip, and Brady friends because they were all so close together in age. Instead, they SORASed Belle, Brady, and Philip and leave Abby the same age! I mean Abby was born when Isabella died. Will was born after Marlena's possession. I don't know what Tom Langan and company was thinking when they aged them, it completely messed up the ages of everyone on the show! :facepalm: All so they could have their precious "Shelle" their "golden" couple. Gag me! :yuk:
You nailed it!!!
I honestly think a lot of it has to do with the ages of the adults who are the parents. I can image Corday's addled brain thinking that Brady and Belle, and Philip should be aged but not Abby or Will simply because DH, DDH, JA and LK are older than AS, BD and MR.
Never said it was how my family did it. And I certainly think in the case of Marlena, the relationship would have remained, especially given how the Bradys continued to consider her one of the family throughout the 90s. Its true that there are marriages that dissolve where that relationship never really continues, but in the small town mindset that Salem would have? Unlikely. Also, in the case of Sami, she was married to Lucas for all of two seconds. They were not married long enough for a sister's kids to develop an aunt relationship with Sami. Again you make a fair point - the title wouldn't outlast the marriage. In the case of Marlena and Bo and Hope, that simply has never been written to be the case until it was convenient. In fact, the presence of the John/Gina stuff happening around the SORASing almost makes it feel more incestuous to me. Zach didn't end up being John's - but he easily could have and then Belle and Shawn would have been half-siblings through Zach. The closeness of the Bo/Hope and John/Marlena relationship warranted Shawn calling her aunt when Cook's incarnation began (which was my original point) and it will never make sense to me that he didn't consider Belle and Brady (who he has a DIRECT blood tie to through Bo and Victor) cousins.
No, you didn't, but your post did make it sound like the idea that someone wouldn't consider their uncle's ex wife family was unheard of. Again, I could see where this would all be too close for comfort for some people, but I personally wouldn't have considered Belle and Shawn half siblings, or to be any other sort of relative if they shared a brother. And that's not because I'm a shelle apologist or something - even in real life, I don't see myself as being related to my half brother's brothers, just because we have a relative in common. And while it's not exactly the same, I didn't think Bo/Billie, Lucas/Sami and Carrie/Austin needed to reevaluate where they stood when Philip/The Alien twins arrived/their parents got married.
Even with taking Salem's small town mindset into account, I could still easily believe that shelle didn't think of each other as cousins. I wouldn't protest if they did, but I don't think it's a certainty that they would, although I do get why someone else would see it differently.
The difference is those couples didn't spend years and years being family, sharing family, with Rex and Cassie, unlike the way Shawn and Belle spent years on screen sharing the same grandparents and acting as cousins. I can't image Belle growing up with Sami and Carrie and Eric as siblings who are cousins with Shawn and her not also considering him her cousin. And Shawn not seeing Belle as a cousin. Why would he separate her out of that mix?
That's why I said the situations weren't exactly the same. Apparently he separated Belle out when he learned that they weren't related. It happens.
Rosebud
Nov 2 2013, 05:36 PM
six
Nov 2 2013, 04:07 PM
Keith
Nov 2 2013, 03:56 PM
lysie
Nov 2 2013, 03:41 PM
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Very true.
Also, how was Shawn de-SORASed? I keep hearing people say this, but in 1999, when Cook came, Shawn should have been twelve and I always saw his predecessor as about 13-14, maybe 15. Cook came and he was 16/17. Am I just remembering falsely?
No, you're not. Shawn was never desoarased.
Rosebud
Nov 2 2013, 03:51 PM
six
Nov 2 2013, 09:22 AM
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It stopped because they desorased ShawnD and sorased Belle to be paired together, so it erased that part of their history for both reasons. It's not a separate issue at all. They had to change their ages in order to pair them up. When Belle was a baby, Shawn D had been aged to about 9. You couldn't pair them without erasing history and changing their ages.
Just look at ShawnD in this cast photo where Belle wasn't even born yet.
I was watching the show before the sorasing happened, so no need for photographic evidence of that. :) It's beside the point that I'm making, though, which is that they could have both been aged without erasing their history. It happens all the time, most recently with JJ.
And Shawn wasn't desorased.
JJ barely has a history, LOL
So, even if you don't go by the Scott Groff version of ShawnD being about 8 or 9 before Belle was born, didn't the Cook and KS versions go to high school together? How does that happen unless you make ShawnD younger than he used to be--even going by their actual birth dates on the show, SD is 6 years older than Belle.
And Belle barely had a history. She was a little girl when she was aged.
Belle and Shawn went to the same high school because Belle's birthdate was pushed back to the 80s. She was rapidly aged about years. Shawn aged four years. The six year age age gap no longer applied, because they were no longer born in 1993 and 1987; they were born in the same year.
No, you didn't, but your post did make it sound like the idea that someone wouldn't consider their uncle's ex wife family was unheard of. Again, I could see where this would all be too close for comfort for some people, but I personally wouldn't have considered Belle and Shawn half siblings, or to be any other sort of relative if they shared a brother. And that's not because I'm a shelle apologist or something - even in real life, I don't see myself as being related to my half brother's brothers, just because we have a relative in common. And while it's not exactly the same, I didn't think Bo/Billie, Lucas/Sami and Carrie/Austin needed to reevaluate where they stood when Philip/The Alien twins arrived/their parents got married.
Even with taking Salem's small town mindset into account, I could still easily believe that shelle didn't think of each other as cousins. I wouldn't protest if they did, but I don't think it's a certainty that they would, although I do get why someone else would see it differently.
The difference is those couples didn't spend years and years being family, sharing family, with Rex and Cassie, unlike the way Shawn and Belle spent years on screen sharing the same grandparents and acting as cousins. I can't image Belle growing up with Sami and Carrie and Eric as siblings who are cousins with Shawn and her not also considering him her cousin. And Shawn not seeing Belle as a cousin. Why would he separate her out of that mix?
That's why I said the situations weren't exactly the same. Apparently he separated Belle out when he learned that they weren't related. It happens.
I was watching the show before the sorasing happened, so no need for photographic evidence of that. :) It's beside the point that I'm making, though, which is that they could have both been aged without erasing their history. It happens all the time, most recently with JJ.
And Shawn wasn't desorased.
JJ barely has a history, LOL
So, even if you don't go by the Scott Groff version of ShawnD being about 8 or 9 before Belle was born, didn't the Cook and KS versions go to high school together? How does that happen unless you make ShawnD younger than he used to be--even going by their actual birth dates on the show, SD is 6 years older than Belle.
And Belle barely had a history. She was a little girl when she was aged.
Belle and Shawn went to the same high school because Belle's birthdate was pushed back to the 80s. She was rapidly aged about years. Shawn aged four years. The six year age age gap no longer applied, because they were no longer born in 1993 and 1987; they were born in the same year.
I give up!
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