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Nov 2 2013, 05:58 PM
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Nov 2 2013, 05:23 PM
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Nov 2 2013, 11:08 AM

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The difference is those couples didn't spend years and years being family, sharing family, with Rex and Cassie, unlike the way Shawn and Belle spent years on screen sharing the same grandparents and acting as cousins. I can't image Belle growing up with Sami and Carrie and Eric as siblings who are cousins with Shawn and her not also considering him her cousin. And Shawn not seeing Belle as a cousin. Why would he separate her out of that mix?

That's why I said the situations weren't exactly the same. Apparently he separated Belle out when he learned that they weren't related. It happens.
Rosebud
Nov 2 2013, 05:36 PM
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Nov 2 2013, 04:07 PM

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JJ barely has a history, LOL

So, even if you don't go by the Scott Groff version of ShawnD being about 8 or 9 before Belle was born, didn't the Cook and KS versions go to high school together? How does that happen unless you make ShawnD younger than he used to be--even going by their actual birth dates on the show, SD is 6 years older than Belle.
And Belle barely had a history. She was a little girl when she was aged.

Belle and Shawn went to the same high school because Belle's birthdate was pushed back to the 80s. She was rapidly aged about years. Shawn aged four years. The six year age age gap no longer applied, because they were no longer born in 1993 and 1987; they were born in the same year.
I give up!
:shrug: Everybody should have known going in that no one was going to be changing their mind.
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Nov 2 2013, 10:18 AM

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No, you didn't, but your post did make it sound like the idea that someone wouldn't consider their uncle's ex wife family was unheard of. Again, I could see where this would all be too close for comfort for some people, but I personally wouldn't have considered Belle and Shawn half siblings, or to be any other sort of relative if they shared a brother. And that's not because I'm a shelle apologist or something - even in real life, I don't see myself as being related to my half brother's brothers, just because we have a relative in common. And while it's not exactly the same, I didn't think Bo/Billie, Lucas/Sami and Carrie/Austin needed to reevaluate where they stood when Philip/The Alien twins arrived/their parents got married.

Even with taking Salem's small town mindset into account, I could still easily believe that shelle didn't think of each other as cousins. I wouldn't protest if they did, but I don't think it's a certainty that they would, although I do get why someone else would see it differently.
The difference is those couples didn't spend years and years being family, sharing family, with Rex and Cassie, unlike the way Shawn and Belle spent years on screen sharing the same grandparents and acting as cousins. I can't image Belle growing up with Sami and Carrie and Eric as siblings who are cousins with Shawn and her not also considering him her cousin. And Shawn not seeing Belle as a cousin. Why would he separate her out of that mix?

That's why I said the situations weren't exactly the same. Apparently he separated Belle out when he learned that they weren't related. It happens.
Rosebud
Nov 2 2013, 05:36 PM
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Nov 2 2013, 04:07 PM
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Nov 2 2013, 03:56 PM

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No, you're not. Shawn was never desoarased.

Rosebud
Nov 2 2013, 03:51 PM

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I was watching the show before the sorasing happened, so no need for photographic evidence of that. :) It's beside the point that I'm making, though, which is that they could have both been aged without erasing their history. It happens all the time, most recently with JJ.

And Shawn wasn't desorased.
JJ barely has a history, LOL

So, even if you don't go by the Scott Groff version of ShawnD being about 8 or 9 before Belle was born, didn't the Cook and KS versions go to high school together? How does that happen unless you make ShawnD younger than he used to be--even going by their actual birth dates on the show, SD is 6 years older than Belle.
And Belle barely had a history. She was a little girl when she was aged.

Belle and Shawn went to the same high school because Belle's birthdate was pushed back to the 80s. She was rapidly aged about years. Shawn aged four years. The six year age age gap no longer applied, because they were no longer born in 1993 and 1987; they were born in the same year.
Well it was still a very stupid thing to do, and even though she was a little girl when she was aged she was the child of a very popular couple. She was a well known character. She and Shawn didn't share a single scene before they were aged and that's why the whole "history" of them growing up together is ridiculous. It didn't happen that way! Sorry you just can't ignore history. :shrug:
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Nov 2 2013, 05:23 PM
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The difference is those couples didn't spend years and years being family, sharing family, with Rex and Cassie, unlike the way Shawn and Belle spent years on screen sharing the same grandparents and acting as cousins. I can't image Belle growing up with Sami and Carrie and Eric as siblings who are cousins with Shawn and her not also considering him her cousin. And Shawn not seeing Belle as a cousin. Why would he separate her out of that mix?

That's why I said the situations weren't exactly the same. Apparently he separated Belle out when he learned that they weren't related. It happens.
Rosebud
Nov 2 2013, 05:36 PM
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Nov 2 2013, 04:07 PM

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JJ barely has a history, LOL

So, even if you don't go by the Scott Groff version of ShawnD being about 8 or 9 before Belle was born, didn't the Cook and KS versions go to high school together? How does that happen unless you make ShawnD younger than he used to be--even going by their actual birth dates on the show, SD is 6 years older than Belle.
And Belle barely had a history. She was a little girl when she was aged.

Belle and Shawn went to the same high school because Belle's birthdate was pushed back to the 80s. She was rapidly aged about years. Shawn aged four years. The six year age age gap no longer applied, because they were no longer born in 1993 and 1987; they were born in the same year.
Well it was still a very stupid thing to do, and even though she was a little girl when she was aged she was the child of a very popular couple. She was a well known character. She and Shawn didn't share a single scene before they were aged and that's why the whole "history" of them growing up together is ridiculous. It didn't happen that way! Sorry you just can't ignore history. :shrug:
IMO, soaps have to rapidly age characters and characters have to have a back story. Shawn was the only kid around in his age group and he couldn't carry the teen set on his own, so they aged the other characters. SORASing creates some gaps in history that have to be filled in and you just go with it. Shawn didn't actually grow up with Belle, the Brady twins 1.0 didn't actually grow up with Brady - technically none of them really grew up at all - and if they mention a memory that happened when they were 14, it has to be fake since they never were 14, but it does have to be accepted, if not ignored, because it's a necessary part of keeping a soap going.
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Wow, they're really making Jen insufferable on all counts when it comes to Daniel. She's becoming obsessively angry over Theresa having some connection to Dan in the same way that she constantly went after Nicole when she was pregnant and dating Dan.

If it's not the played out "lovers torn apart by heartbreaking circumstance" shtick then it's the "nobody better touch Jen's one true love or else she'll cut you" act. I swear when it comes to Dan, Jen is either written like a massively wimpy heroine from a cheesy romance novel or a complete psycho that borders on Sami and Kate levels of relationship jealousy.

I cannot express how unappealing their whole relationship is to me.
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Nov 2 2013, 03:59 PM
I didn't mind the rapid aging of that group into teens, but I do think it's strange that Days shipped them all off and hasn't looked back. There's a huge gap in the canvas between people in their early 20s and people in their mid to late 30s that Days doesn't seem to care to fill.
The actual SORASing isn't what bothered me. What bothered me was that they completely skipped a generation. They went from having Bope/J&M/J&J leading the show with Carrie/Sami/Austin/Lucas as the B story to having the teen set lead the show. That was a very unnatural shift. And what that's done is caused them to go back to what they can salvage of the group they skipped and focus the show on them now...except now they're a bit too old. There's a huge gap in generations now, and that wouldn't have happened if they hadn't tried to go too young in the late 90s. For all the talk about the show and network wanting youth, they flat out don't have it. And it's not because of the vets because they don't have very much screen time. It's because they keep bringing in Shawn Christians and Galen Gerings and even Greg Vaughns (who IMO is the only success story here) and they're not in the right demo. And not being able to keep younger actors isn't an excuse. That's not a new problem. It was pretty typical for their main cast to last about 5 years and then they'd go...then 15 years late we'd get a reunion, lol. So right now, where you have Sami's age group leading the show, it should be Belle's. But 10 years ago when it was Belle's, it should have been Sami's.

Look at the late 80s. The main characters were mostly in their twenties and thirties. Now, most are in their forties.
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That's why I said the situations weren't exactly the same. Apparently he separated Belle out when he learned that they weren't related. It happens.
Rosebud
Nov 2 2013, 05:36 PM

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And Belle barely had a history. She was a little girl when she was aged.

Belle and Shawn went to the same high school because Belle's birthdate was pushed back to the 80s. She was rapidly aged about years. Shawn aged four years. The six year age age gap no longer applied, because they were no longer born in 1993 and 1987; they were born in the same year.
I give up!
:shrug: Everybody should have known going in that no one was going to be changing their mind.
I think that's a given :D
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Nov 2 2013, 06:12 PM
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Nov 2 2013, 05:23 PM

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That's why I said the situations weren't exactly the same. Apparently he separated Belle out when he learned that they weren't related. It happens.
Rosebud
Nov 2 2013, 05:36 PM

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And Belle barely had a history. She was a little girl when she was aged.

Belle and Shawn went to the same high school because Belle's birthdate was pushed back to the 80s. She was rapidly aged about years. Shawn aged four years. The six year age age gap no longer applied, because they were no longer born in 1993 and 1987; they were born in the same year.
Well it was still a very stupid thing to do, and even though she was a little girl when she was aged she was the child of a very popular couple. She was a well known character. She and Shawn didn't share a single scene before they were aged and that's why the whole "history" of them growing up together is ridiculous. It didn't happen that way! Sorry you just can't ignore history. :shrug:
IMO, soaps have to rapidly age characters and characters have to have a back story. Shawn was the only kid around in his age group and he couldn't carry the teen set on his own, so they aged the other characters. SORASing creates some gaps in history that have to be filled in and you just go with it. Shawn didn't actually grow up with Belle, the Brady twins 1.0 didn't actually grow up with Brady - technically none of them really grew up at all - and if they mention a memory that happened when they were 14, it has to be fake since they never were 14, but it does have to be accepted, if not ignored, because it's a necessary part of keeping a soap going.
I accept it. Doesn't mean I don't absolutely hate it. I also don't really think it is necessarily. If various couples have children and they grew up in real years you would always have different generations all the time. And it would make sense. It's fine to do a little bit at a time (some other soaps seemed to do it better than Days). I think it has gotten way out of hand, especially when done so often and so insanely. Relationships and families no longer make any sense. You have to always be reminded that this and that character has been aged and that one hasn't etc etc. it's why soaps have become a joke in the entertainment business (among other reasons, LOL)
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Nov 2 2013, 05:23 PM

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That's why I said the situations weren't exactly the same. Apparently he separated Belle out when he learned that they weren't related. It happens.
Rosebud
Nov 2 2013, 05:36 PM

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And Belle barely had a history. She was a little girl when she was aged.

Belle and Shawn went to the same high school because Belle's birthdate was pushed back to the 80s. She was rapidly aged about years. Shawn aged four years. The six year age age gap no longer applied, because they were no longer born in 1993 and 1987; they were born in the same year.
Well it was still a very stupid thing to do, and even though she was a little girl when she was aged she was the child of a very popular couple. She was a well known character. She and Shawn didn't share a single scene before they were aged and that's why the whole "history" of them growing up together is ridiculous. It didn't happen that way! Sorry you just can't ignore history. :shrug:
IMO, soaps have to rapidly age characters and characters have to have a back story. Shawn was the only kid around in his age group and he couldn't carry the teen set on his own, so they aged the other characters. SORASing creates some gaps in history that have to be filled in and you just go with it. Shawn didn't actually grow up with Belle, the Brady twins 1.0 didn't actually grow up with Brady - technically none of them really grew up at all - and if they mention a memory that happened when they were 14, it has to be fake since they never were 14, but it does have to be accepted, if not ignored, because it's a necessary part of keeping a soap going.
I'm not disagreeing with that, that's not the point. The point I have is that the show aged them so drastically. It would have been fine if they aged them a little at a time but they didn't. They aged Belle 10 years in two weeks! Now that was just ridiculous and unnecessary! Carrie got to pretty much grow up on the show and Sami kind of did too, but Belle didn't. We got her as a infant, toddler, child and then boom! she was a teenager. We didn't get to enjoy any of that with her and with J&M's only child. It just wasn't fair, at least to me. THAT'S the problem I have! :angry:
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Nov 2 2013, 06:41 PM
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Nov 2 2013, 03:59 PM
I didn't mind the rapid aging of that group into teens, but I do think it's strange that Days shipped them all off and hasn't looked back. There's a huge gap in the canvas between people in their early 20s and people in their mid to late 30s that Days doesn't seem to care to fill.
The actual SORASing isn't what bothered me. What bothered me was that they completely skipped a generation. They went from having Bope/J&M/J&J leading the show with Carrie/Sami/Austin/Lucas as the B story to having the teen set lead the show. That was a very unnatural shift. And what that's done is caused them to go back to what they can salvage of the group they skipped and focus the show on them now...except now they're a bit too old. There's a huge gap in generations now, and that wouldn't have happened if they hadn't tried to go too young in the late 90s. For all the talk about the show and network wanting youth, they flat out don't have it. And it's not because of the vets because they don't have very much screen time. It's because they keep bringing in Shawn Christians and Galen Gerings and even Greg Vaughns (who IMO is the only success story here) and they're not in the right demo. And not being able to keep younger actors isn't an excuse. That's not a new problem. It was pretty typical for their main cast to last about 5 years and then they'd go...then 15 years late we'd get a reunion, lol. So right now, where you have Sami's age group leading the show, it should be Belle's. But 10 years ago when it was Belle's, it should have been Sami's.

Look at the late 80s. The main characters were mostly in their twenties and thirties. Now, most are in their forties.
I actually agree with most of this, especially the part about them needing to bring in younger people. Days isn't that far out of sync with the other soaps (except possibly B&B) when it comes to the ages of people being featured, so I can kind of see why they keep doing what they're doing. And IMO, they could easily move some of the older people into more supporting roles, get rid of some of them and bring back some of the last blast set.

Edited by six, Nov 2 2013, 07:16 PM.
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Well it was still a very stupid thing to do, and even though she was a little girl when she was aged she was the child of a very popular couple. She was a well known character. She and Shawn didn't share a single scene before they were aged and that's why the whole "history" of them growing up together is ridiculous. It didn't happen that way! Sorry you just can't ignore history. :shrug:
IMO, soaps have to rapidly age characters and characters have to have a back story. Shawn was the only kid around in his age group and he couldn't carry the teen set on his own, so they aged the other characters. SORASing creates some gaps in history that have to be filled in and you just go with it. Shawn didn't actually grow up with Belle, the Brady twins 1.0 didn't actually grow up with Brady - technically none of them really grew up at all - and if they mention a memory that happened when they were 14, it has to be fake since they never were 14, but it does have to be accepted, if not ignored, because it's a necessary part of keeping a soap going.
I'm not disagreeing with that, that's not the point. The point I have is that the show aged them so drastically. It would have been fine if they aged them a little at a time but they didn't. They aged Belle 10 years in two weeks! Now that was just ridiculous and unnecessary! Carrie got to pretty much grow up on the show and Sami kind of did too, but Belle didn't. We got her as a infant, toddler, child and then boom! she was a teenager. We didn't get to enjoy any of that with her and with J&M's only child. It just wasn't fair, at least to me. THAT'S the problem I have! :angry:
Belle's SORASing really wasn't much more drastic than Sami's. I think the timing of both of their SORASings though made things awkward story-wise.
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Nov 2 2013, 05:51 PM

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Well it was still a very stupid thing to do, and even though she was a little girl when she was aged she was the child of a very popular couple. She was a well known character. She and Shawn didn't share a single scene before they were aged and that's why the whole "history" of them growing up together is ridiculous. It didn't happen that way! Sorry you just can't ignore history. :shrug:
IMO, soaps have to rapidly age characters and characters have to have a back story. Shawn was the only kid around in his age group and he couldn't carry the teen set on his own, so they aged the other characters. SORASing creates some gaps in history that have to be filled in and you just go with it. Shawn didn't actually grow up with Belle, the Brady twins 1.0 didn't actually grow up with Brady - technically none of them really grew up at all - and if they mention a memory that happened when they were 14, it has to be fake since they never were 14, but it does have to be accepted, if not ignored, because it's a necessary part of keeping a soap going.
I'm not disagreeing with that, that's not the point. The point I have is that the show aged them so drastically. It would have been fine if they aged them a little at a time but they didn't. They aged Belle 10 years in two weeks! Now that was just ridiculous and unnecessary! Carrie got to pretty much grow up on the show and Sami kind of did too, but Belle didn't. We got her as a infant, toddler, child and then boom! she was a teenager. We didn't get to enjoy any of that with her and with J&M's only child. It just wasn't fair, at least to me. THAT'S the problem I have! :angry:
I feel your pain! :tears:
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Well it was still a very stupid thing to do, and even though she was a little girl when she was aged she was the child of a very popular couple. She was a well known character. She and Shawn didn't share a single scene before they were aged and that's why the whole "history" of them growing up together is ridiculous. It didn't happen that way! Sorry you just can't ignore history. :shrug:
IMO, soaps have to rapidly age characters and characters have to have a back story. Shawn was the only kid around in his age group and he couldn't carry the teen set on his own, so they aged the other characters. SORASing creates some gaps in history that have to be filled in and you just go with it. Shawn didn't actually grow up with Belle, the Brady twins 1.0 didn't actually grow up with Brady - technically none of them really grew up at all - and if they mention a memory that happened when they were 14, it has to be fake since they never were 14, but it does have to be accepted, if not ignored, because it's a necessary part of keeping a soap going.
I'm not disagreeing with that, that's not the point. The point I have is that the show aged them so drastically. It would have been fine if they aged them a little at a time but they didn't. They aged Belle 10 years in two weeks! Now that was just ridiculous and unnecessary! Carrie got to pretty much grow up on the show and Sami kind of did too, but Belle didn't. We got her as a infant, toddler, child and then boom! she was a teenager. We didn't get to enjoy any of that with her and with J&M's only child. It just wasn't fair, at least to me. THAT'S the problem I have! :angry:
I see why Jarlena fans would be so upset that they missed out on seeing Belle age in real time, but I still think the show made the right call. IMO, kids don't really need to age in real time or almost in real time if their parents are old enough to be believable parents to teenagers. Ciara and JJ should be partners in crime, breaking up Theo and his girlfriend right now. The Dimeras should be trying to lure Theo into the fold. And they should have hired a couple of small twelve year olds to play 10 year old ejamicus twins. It's beyond time to explore what happens when twins belong to families with such different values.
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IMO, soaps have to rapidly age characters and characters have to have a back story. Shawn was the only kid around in his age group and he couldn't carry the teen set on his own, so they aged the other characters. SORASing creates some gaps in history that have to be filled in and you just go with it. Shawn didn't actually grow up with Belle, the Brady twins 1.0 didn't actually grow up with Brady - technically none of them really grew up at all - and if they mention a memory that happened when they were 14, it has to be fake since they never were 14, but it does have to be accepted, if not ignored, because it's a necessary part of keeping a soap going.
I'm not disagreeing with that, that's not the point. The point I have is that the show aged them so drastically. It would have been fine if they aged them a little at a time but they didn't. They aged Belle 10 years in two weeks! Now that was just ridiculous and unnecessary! Carrie got to pretty much grow up on the show and Sami kind of did too, but Belle didn't. We got her as a infant, toddler, child and then boom! she was a teenager. We didn't get to enjoy any of that with her and with J&M's only child. It just wasn't fair, at least to me. THAT'S the problem I have! :angry:
Belle's SORASing really wasn't much more drastic than Sami's. I think the timing of both of their SORASings though made things awkward story-wise.
Yes especially considering Sami was a teenager when Belle was born and now we are supposed to believe that they are close to the same age? Okay... :eyeroll:

Another thing is the show has seem to forgotten that John and Marlena even have a child. They seem to have forgotten that Belle even exists! I mean she is mentioned from time to time but it's almost like they want us to forget her. :shame:

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That's why I said the situations weren't exactly the same. Apparently he separated Belle out when he learned that they weren't related. It happens.
Rosebud
Nov 2 2013, 05:36 PM

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And Belle barely had a history. She was a little girl when she was aged.

Belle and Shawn went to the same high school because Belle's birthdate was pushed back to the 80s. She was rapidly aged about years. Shawn aged four years. The six year age age gap no longer applied, because they were no longer born in 1993 and 1987; they were born in the same year.
Well it was still a very stupid thing to do, and even though she was a little girl when she was aged she was the child of a very popular couple. She was a well known character. She and Shawn didn't share a single scene before they were aged and that's why the whole "history" of them growing up together is ridiculous. It didn't happen that way! Sorry you just can't ignore history. :shrug:
IMO, soaps have to rapidly age characters and characters have to have a back story. Shawn was the only kid around in his age group and he couldn't carry the teen set on his own, so they aged the other characters. SORASing creates some gaps in history that have to be filled in and you just go with it. Shawn didn't actually grow up with Belle, the Brady twins 1.0 didn't actually grow up with Brady - technically none of them really grew up at all - and if they mention a memory that happened when they were 14, it has to be fake since they never were 14, but it does have to be accepted, if not ignored, because it's a necessary part of keeping a soap going.
I snorted in laughter at this one comment, but only because it's very sad and equally very true. They're all upstairs with Caroline - that upstairs is a hot bed of radioactive time warp continuum dark matter! :blulaugh:
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Nov 2 2013, 12:46 PM
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Nov 1 2013, 08:04 PM
I'm sorry but nobody who has been burned by Nicole should ever trust her word. She has too many whoppers under her belt.
Nicole is not the only person in Salem who has given voice to serious lies.The list is too long.Based on the harmful past lies criterion,no one would trust the word of most of Salem's residents.
This is true, however in ToDAY'S episode only Nicole was begging people to believe her word was good and that she would never do something like hurting someone she loved.
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Nov 1 2013, 12:33 PM
Yes. Jennifer's never ending romantic crisis is so much more important than Theresa's problem or Kim(Kayla's effing sister) being comforted and talked to.
It's infuriating how much Hope and Kayla coddle and enable her by treating her problems like the center of the universe.
You know what I find terrible?

That Jennifer is treated as though she's such an important character that everything has to revolve around her while Hope and Kayla are often ignored. I don't really know too much about how Hope feels about her OWN life at the moment, and I have no idea how Kayla is really doing. It wasn't all that long ago that Kayla was thrown back to one of her most painful life experiences. Is she okay? Does Jennifer ASK? Or is she so into her own problems that she's not gonna bother?

Bo's been gone a long time, and Hope is surely upset about it. Does Jennifer ASK how Hope feels? It might be an awkward subject for Hope and Kayla because Bo is Kayla's brother, but Jennifer might provide some comfort if she'd only step outside her own problems for awhile and think about somebody else's.

Jennifer's certainly comfortable railing against Theresa. Normally, I would understand it because I know Theresa's been difficult and hasn't been at all kind. Kayla and Hope know that. But Theresa also just ODed, and you'd think Jen would hold her tongue, and realize that no matter what Theresa's faults are, Hope and Kayla would be concerned about their niece. She could hold off on her complaints for a little while and offer back the comfort and support she's getting from them.

What kind of friend is she, to put them in such an awkward position right now, given everything that's happened?

I haven't seen the scenes. I just got home...but I sure would like to see something other than Jennifer's drama for awhile.
Jennifer thinks Daniel being at Theresa' s place and finding her passed out was only to "hurt Jennifer" - everything is about Jennifer. He is "hurting her." Please Jennifer get over yourself!
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I'm not disagreeing with that, that's not the point. The point I have is that the show aged them so drastically. It would have been fine if they aged them a little at a time but they didn't. They aged Belle 10 years in two weeks! Now that was just ridiculous and unnecessary! Carrie got to pretty much grow up on the show and Sami kind of did too, but Belle didn't. We got her as a infant, toddler, child and then boom! she was a teenager. We didn't get to enjoy any of that with her and with J&M's only child. It just wasn't fair, at least to me. THAT'S the problem I have! :angry:
Belle's SORASing really wasn't much more drastic than Sami's. I think the timing of both of their SORASings though made things awkward story-wise.
Yes especially considering Sami was a teenager when Belle was born and now we are supposed to believe that they are close to the same age? Okay... :eyeroll:

Another thing is the show has seem to forgotten that John and Marlena even have a child. They seem to have forgotten that Belle even exists! I mean she is mentioned from time to time but it's almost like they want us to forget her. :shame:

People seem to forget that Hope has another child as well. The only reason Shawn was mentioned at all recently was because Bo was with him, & Hope & Ciara visited him, Belle, & Claire last Christmas.
There are a lot of children who are not in Salem that are barely (if at all) mentioned.
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I didn't mind the rapid aging of that group into teens, but I do think it's strange that Days shipped them all off and hasn't looked back. There's a huge gap in the canvas between people in their early 20s and people in their mid to late 30s that Days doesn't seem to care to fill.
The actual SORASing isn't what bothered me. What bothered me was that they completely skipped a generation. They went from having Bope/J&M/J&J leading the show with Carrie/Sami/Austin/Lucas as the B story to having the teen set lead the show. That was a very unnatural shift. And what that's done is caused them to go back to what they can salvage of the group they skipped and focus the show on them now...except now they're a bit too old. There's a huge gap in generations now, and that wouldn't have happened if they hadn't tried to go too young in the late 90s. For all the talk about the show and network wanting youth, they flat out don't have it. And it's not because of the vets because they don't have very much screen time. It's because they keep bringing in Shawn Christians and Galen Gerings and even Greg Vaughns (who IMO is the only success story here) and they're not in the right demo. And not being able to keep younger actors isn't an excuse. That's not a new problem. It was pretty typical for their main cast to last about 5 years and then they'd go...then 15 years late we'd get a reunion, lol. So right now, where you have Sami's age group leading the show, it should be Belle's. But 10 years ago when it was Belle's, it should have been Sami's.

Look at the late 80s. The main characters were mostly in their twenties and thirties. Now, most are in their forties.
I agree with you to a point. Sami has always been a pretty constant focus, so I don't think they just skipped her as a lead. But you make a very good point about the original runs of the younger actors. Peter Reckell and Kristian Alfonso both left after 4 years; Wayne Northrup only made it about three years; Stephen Nichols left after five; Mary Beth Evans lasted six. And even the actors that stayed longer, like Charles Shaughnessy and Mary Beth Evans, often left when the show could not figure out what to do with their characters following the end of their original supercouples.

But one thing I think we really overlook is the difference in developing the individual characters. What I think has been the show's big problem is that they went from the supercouple era where the characters mostly came to the show with backstories. They were already adults when they showed up and the show could use their off-screen histories, careers, and family relations as the basis for storylines. Of the major couples, only Hope and Jennifer were shown as teens actually growing up in Salem and, for both, we saw them not just grow in their relationships, but also grow in their careers. All of that developed the characters. What would Jennifer have been without being a reporter? Or Roman if he wasn't a cop? Marlena not being a psychiatrist? If Jack had just been Rafe, with no family, instead of a Johnson or Devereax, would he have been anything like the character he was? And how many plots came out of the supercouples' pasts or their jobs?

Beginning with the next generation, however, the writers became so focused on relationships that developing characters with real life aspirations and dreams disappeared. So we got Sami never graduating high school, going from one guy to another, and popping out kid after kid. The rest of that generation had nondescript jobs that were usually short-term to serve storylines, but never really were used to develop the characters. We lost that entire side of a whole slew of characters. Then we get Carrie the lawyer and Austin the accountant and everyone has to scratch their heads wondering what in the characters' background ever gave us a clue that they were headed in those directions. And that has continued with the Belle/Shawn/Philip generation and today's younger characters too. There is only so much you can do with endless storylines about troubled teens/college students, unplanned pregnancies, and who is sleeping with who.

What's interesting is that, in the 80s and early 90s, Rafe's FBI background and whatever happened to his ex-wife would have been the impetus for major storylines. The character's background was basically Shane's and his initial storyline was Roman's. Yet, unlike how the ISA played a significant role in almost every major umbrella storyline from 1984-1990 -- the prisms, Miami, treason, the pawn, three knives, the disk/Greece, Stefano's return, the revival camp, Jencon/Steve's death, and Alamainia -- Rafe's background was barely used. The ex-wife? Roman had Anna; Shane had Emma. Rafe? Nothing came of it. Now Rafe has been on the show for five years, the point where most of the original great characters were finishing their runs, and what great storylines do we have to show for having him front-and-center during all that time?

Daniel also supposedly has some tragic background with his former wife, but that also was never explored or used to develop him as a character. Wouldn't he have been a much more interesting guy if the reason he slept around was because he was terrified of forming attachments after losing his first wife? Then, when he meets a woman who wants to be something more than a bedmate, there is actually a story involved. But for some reason, developing motivations for this character has never been something the writers have found important. We just get hammered over the head with how wonderful he is by having everyone in Salem sing his praises -- which you would think would be unnecessary after five years.
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Belle's SORASing really wasn't much more drastic than Sami's. I think the timing of both of their SORASings though made things awkward story-wise.
Yes especially considering Sami was a teenager when Belle was born and now we are supposed to believe that they are close to the same age? Okay... :eyeroll:

Another thing is the show has seem to forgotten that John and Marlena even have a child. They seem to have forgotten that Belle even exists! I mean she is mentioned from time to time but it's almost like they want us to forget her. :shame:

People seem to forget that Hope has another child as well. The only reason Shawn was mentioned at all recently was because Bo was with him, & Hope & Ciara visited him, Belle, & Claire last Christmas.
There are a lot of children who are not in Salem that are barely (if at all) mentioned.
Yet TomSell just felt it was so important to bring Jeanie back even though her parents are no longer in Salem and haven't been in many years... :rolleyes:
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Yes especially considering Sami was a teenager when Belle was born and now we are supposed to believe that they are close to the same age? Okay... :eyeroll:

Another thing is the show has seem to forgotten that John and Marlena even have a child. They seem to have forgotten that Belle even exists! I mean she is mentioned from time to time but it's almost like they want us to forget her. :shame:

People seem to forget that Hope has another child as well. The only reason Shawn was mentioned at all recently was because Bo was with him, & Hope & Ciara visited him, Belle, & Claire last Christmas.
There are a lot of children who are not in Salem that are barely (if at all) mentioned.
Yet TomSell just felt it was so important to bring Jeanie back even though her parents are no longer in Salem and haven't been in many years... :rolleyes:
Yeah and to change her name from Jeannie to her middle name Theresa, make her a troublemaker and drug addict. What does that say about Shane and Kim as parents? I mean really? It's almost like a slap in the face to their history, from what we could tell through the years that even though Shane and Kim weren't together, Jeannie and Andrew had a good childhood and were well loved by both of their parents and stepparents respectively. There was really no reason to bring her back and make her so awful. :shame:

What about what they did to Patch and Kayla? Give them a son, Joey only to have them divorce through a text message? Kayla going back to her maiden name? Kayla would never just give up on Steve like that, nor would he give up on her. Ridiculous. They want us to forget about Steve, just like they want us to forget about Jack. So dumb! :angry:
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